huxley:

How could Moses have achieved that when the Jews were such lawless and barbaric people who would kill anyone at the drop of a fart?

We can all learn from Moses, who submitted his ability and inability for God's service. Moses who wasn't eloquent, he was a stammerer allowed God's plan for him to be fulfilled. There was an incident in Syracuse, New York in June 2001, when doctors treated a man who had been shot multiple times as he sat in his car but survived. They said that the man, who had driven himself to the hospital, survived the shooting because he weighed 400 pounds, and that the bullets were unable to reach his vital organs before it stopped. We can learn a lesson from this story that what may seem a liability for one person can be an asset for others. It was Moses' inability to speak eloquently that made him to rely on God's ability, so he did what he did because of the ability of God. When it comes to being a spokesperson for God, your weakness can become your strength.

OLAADEGBU:

We can all learn from Moses, who submitted his ability and inability for God's service. Moses who wasn't eloquent, he was a stammerer allowed God's plan for him to be fulfilled. There was an incident in Syracuse, New York in June 2001, when doctors treated a man who had been shot multiple times as he sat in his car but survived. They said that the man, who had driven himself to the hospital, survived the shooting because he weighed 400 pounds, and that the bullets were unable to reach his vital organs before it stopped. We can learn a lesson from this story that what may seem a liability for one person can be an asset for others. It was Moses' inability to speak eloquently that made him to rely on God's ability, so he did what he did because of the ability of God. When it comes to being a spokesperson for God, your weakness can become your strength.

Who is talking about his personal difficiencies? I am talking about the barbaric laws he prescribes. That is what you have got to address. Would you model yourself on Moses?

Bastage:

We have the records of the Egyptian kings at that time. There wasn't an Assyrian amongst them.

There was an Assyrian pharaoh almost a thousand years later:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esarhaddon

52:4 probably speaks of two separate oppressions. The one by the Egyptians and one by the Assyrians at a later date.
The author is basically saying that Babylon is no different to Egypt or Assyria in terms of oppression.
History tell us that Israel was first a subject state of Egypt, then of Assyria and then of Babylon.

"For thus saith the LORD, My people went down aforetime into Egypt to sojourn there; and the Assyrian oppressed them without cause." (Isaiah 52:4).  

This verse speaks for itself, that the new king of Egypt who knew not Joseph (Exodus 1: was the king of Assyria who had conquered the land. (Acts 7:14-18; Gen.46:6; Ps.105:25)  This man was an Assyrian that overthrew the old Egyptian dynasty.

Bastage:

There is no archeaological evidence whatsoever that shows a mass migration as written in Exodus. Instead, it shows a steady infiltrating back into Israel from Egypt over a number of years.

The battle has been and remains who's word you take as having the final authority, the fallible words of men's ideology or the infallible word of God?

Bastage:

A ridiculous argument.
One has to discard all scientific evidence and rely on a Babylonian myth to believe your theory.

If what you call scientific evidence is the evolutionary idea of determining the age of the earth then you are looking for evidences in all the wrong places and time.

Bastage:

Taking the Bible's figures into account, the Biblical account of Exodus would mean that 2 million Hebrews fled. That's half the population at that time. Yet nowhere was this noted. The Egyptian economy would have been utterly devastated yet the evidence points totally the other way - Egypt flourished.

That depends on when and where you look for the evidence.

Bastage:

No there isn't.

You are entitle to your beliefs and what you take to be the source of truth. When real scientists or archaelogists are ready to do a sincere work they will discover the truth that the Bible has always asserted. But if they start with a faulty presupposition that the universe is billions of years old whatever they build on that assumption will always be shaky.

mazaje:

@OLAADEGBU

that is because you believe that there was a global flood that has NO scientific evidence what so ever. . .there was never a global flood only in the imaginations of the writer of the legend of noah. . . .history and science does not support any thing that is written in exodus. . . mass migration, israeliets as slaves most of the wars after the exodus etc. . .

Here are 6 main geologic evidences for the Genesis Flood of Noah

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[li]Rapid deposited sediment layers spread across vast areas[/li]
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[li]Sediment transported long distances[/li]
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[li]Rapid or no erosion between strata[/li]
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[li]Many strata laid down in rapid succession[/li]
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These are only few of the evidences that can be found that the Genesis Flood as described in Genesis 7 and 8.  Genesis chapter 7 explains that water covered all the high hills and the mountains, and that all air breathing life on the land was swept away and perished.  As part of the evidence of the Flood, we would expect to find rock layers all over the earth filled with billions of dead animals and plants that were rapidly buried and fossilised in sand, mud and lime.  And that's exactly what is found.

huxley:

Who is talking about his personal difficiencies? I am talking about the barbaric laws he prescribes. That is what you have got to address. Would you model yourself on Moses?

You cannot deny the existence of Israel today except you are a muslim, ask any bonafide Israeli today about what they think about Moses.  In John 1:17 that says "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." Most civilised countries in the world today based their legislation and judicial laws on the decalogue that Moses received from God, even though secular humanists are doing their best to undermine them today, hence the barbaric and backward laws that are being promoted today by secular governments.

OLAADEGBU:

Here are 6 main geologic evidences for the Genesis Flood of Noah

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[li]Fossils of sea creatures high above sea level[/li]
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[li]Rapid burial of plants and animals[/li]
[/list]
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[li]Rapid deposited sediment layers spread across vast areas[/li]
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[li]Sediment transported long distances[/li]
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[li]Rapid or no erosion between strata[/li]
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[li]Many strata laid down in rapid succession[/li]
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Those criteria are only of any use if you believe in the Young Earth theory. They're therefore totally and utterly irrelevant.

@OLAADEGBU

since you are trying to provide meaningless scientific points to support the noah's flood you also have to prove scientifically that light did not refract as it enters the surface of water droplets or raindrop  prior to Noah’s flood. . . . Since refraction of light causes rainbow. . .because the bible says rainbows first appeared as a covenant between the noah and his god after the flood. . .you have to prove to us scientifically that it is true. . .

mazaje:

@OLAADEGBU

since you are trying to provide meaningless scientific points to support the noah's flood you also have to prove scientifically that light did not refract as it enters the surface of water droplets or raindrop prior to Noah’s flood. . . . Since refraction of light causes rainbow. . .because the bible says rainbows first appeared as a covenant between the noah and his god after the flood. . .you have to prove to us scientifically that it is true. . .

While real scientist can support biblical truths with facts the onus is on you to disprove to us scientifically the biblical truths recorded in the book of Genesis.

Bastage:


Those criteria are only of any use if you believe in the Young Earth theory. They're therefore totally and utterly irrelevant.

I can understand your position since you have chosen to believe man's fallible ideologies over God's infallible words. You take your authority from man's philosophical ideas as against God's word.

The bible is a book of history, tradition of the jews and a scriptural book

Bible is just a book of fables and mind boggling lies i read when i'm about to sleep.
It's a star trek-like book written by land-hungry and greedy desert tribesmen,later added to by followers of a nazarene carpenter. . . .

huxley:

Who is talking about his personal difficiencies? I am talking about the barbaric laws he prescribes. That is what you have got to address. Would you model yourself on Moses?

OLAADEGBU:

You cannot deny the existence of Israel today except you are a muslim, ask any bonafide Israeli today about what they think about Moses.  In John 1:17 that says "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." Most civilised countries in the world today based their legislation and judicial laws on the decalogue that Moses received from God, even though secular humanists are doing their best to undermine them today, hence the barbaric and backward laws that are being promoted today by secular governments.

My response to your question has been corroborated by the article below that I came across recently, so I thought that I should share it with you, and that is if you have a heart for facts.

The Law for Today
by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

"And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?" (Deuteronomy 4:

God has never dealt with any nation as closely and fully as He has with Israel, but He nevertheless is directly concerned with every nation as a national entity. He has actually established each nation Himself (Deuteronomy 32:, even determining the geographical boundaries of each and the time when each would rise and fall (Acts 17:26).

Every nation has a purpose in history, but Israel had the highest calling of all. God personally gave them (through Moses) the finest governmental and legal system any nation ever had (Deuteronomy 4:5-, and modern governments would therefore do well to emulate these, in so far as possible. In fact, it is amazing that this Mosaic legal code has since served effectively as the basic legal code for all the greatest nations in modern history. This, in itself, is clear testimony to its divine origin, and is therefore justification for retaining and implementing it wherever possible, even today.

Sadly, however, modern political and judicial practices are departing further and further from this divine standard. The philosophies of evolution and relativism dominate our schools of law today, and the concept of absolute principles of righteousness and justice, rooted in the nature of God as Creator and in His revelation, are largely being replaced by legislation based on evolving social policies and preferences. Even the Ten Commandments are banned from our schools, despite the fact that they are engraved in the Supreme Court building itself.

It is sobering to consider that God did not even spare His beloved nation Israel when His people departed from His law. Nor will He spare America, if our growing rebellion against His Word goes on much longer. HMM

OLAADEGBU:

My response to your question has been corroborated by the article below that I came across recently, so I thought that I should share it with you, and that is if you have a heart for facts.

The Law for Today
by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

"And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?" (Deuteronomy 4:

God has never dealt with any nation as closely and fully as He has with Israel, but He nevertheless is directly concerned with every nation as a national entity. He has actually established each nation Himself (Deuteronomy 32:, even determining the geographical boundaries of each and the time when each would rise and fall (Acts 17:26).

how do you expect a god they created in their very own image to deal with another country more closely than them did buddah or allah deal with the africans more closely than the chinese or arabs?

Every nation has a purpose in history, but Israel had the highest calling of all. God personally gave them (through Moses) the finest governmental and legal system any nation ever had (Deuteronomy 4:5-, and modern governments would therefore do well to emulate these, in so far as possible. In fact, it is amazing that this Mosaic legal code has since served effectively as the basic legal code for all the greatest nations in modern history. This, in itself, is clear testimony to its divine origin, and is therefore justification for retaining and implementing it wherever possible, even today.

what are these finest legal system? raping, murdering, en-slavery, pillaging their neighbours because they worshiped other gods? is that what you call the finest laws. their god even told them to stone to death their own disobedient children, and kill others for picking sticks on the sabbath, cut of the hands of women that go to rescue their husbands from his assailants . are these the finest laws you are talking about. you are clearly deluded.

Sadly, however, modern political and judicial practices are departing further and further from this divine standard. The philosophies of evolution and relativism dominate our schools of law today, and the concept of absolute principles of righteousness and justice, rooted in the nature of God as Creator and in His revelation, are largely being replaced by legislation based on evolving social policies and preferences. Even the Ten Commandments are banned from our schools, despite the fact that they are engraved in the Supreme Court building itself.

the "divine" commandments and standard written by misogynist goat herders who believed that their god lived with them inside a wooden box  is no standard for the modern man that has developed the computer to live by.

It is sobering to consider that God did not even spare His beloved nation Israel when His people departed from His law. Nor will He spare America, if our growing rebellion against His Word goes on much longer. HMM

america did not become what it is because they believe in the words or commandment of the god of the chauvinist ancient jews. the american constitution which is the document that has brought them thus far as a nation has no biblical passage contained in it.

mazaje:

how do you expect a god they created in their very own image to deal with another country more closely than them did buddah or allah deal with the africans more closely than the chinese or arabs?

Either you like am either you no like am the thing be say God created you and every nation on the face of the earth and all nations that forget this truth will all be turned into hell.

mazaje:

what are these finest legal system? raping, murdering, en-slavery, pillaging their neighbours because they worshiped other gods? is that what you call the finest laws. their god even told them to stone to death their own disobedient children, and kill others for picking sticks on the sabbath, cut of the hands of women that go to rescue their husbands from his assailants . are these the finest laws you are talking about. you are clearly deluded.

It is a pity that you are biting the finger that fed you.  If not explain to me how you came about your education, health and judicial institution that you enjoy in your country or village, is it from the sharia laws or Islamic practices or from the traditional establishments?  I understand that you might come from the north tell me the difference between the civilisation in the north and the south, if not for  Christian education you would have been one of the almajiris wrecking havoc in the north by now.

mazaje:

the "divine" commandments and standard written by misogynist goat herders who believed that their god lived with them inside a wooden box  is no standard for the modern man that has developed the computer to live by.

It is not your fault that you don't know what inspired the scientific method that has produced the computer you now live by today.  It is significant that the foundations of our modern scientific age were laid mostly by great scientists who were biblical creationists such as Newton, Boyle, Pascal, Pasteur, Faraday, Maxwell, and the list goes on.  In our present generation, however, science has been largely taken over by non-Christian evolutionists, and science has also generated deadly instruments of destruction and pollution which are threatening life's existence.  This rise in "science falsely so called" is also given as a sign of the last days (1 Timothy 6:20; 2 Peter 3:3-4).

mazaje:

america did not become what it is because they believe in the words or commandment of the god of the chauvinist ancient jews. the american constitution which is the document that has brought them thus far as a nation has no biblical passage contained in it.

What do you know?  Do you know about the 10 commandments that is placed on almost all public institutions including the government paralstatals?  What do you know about the founding fathers that wrote the constitutions that has remained unchanged since its inception. Why do you think of all nations that they (U.S. of A) are the only one that I know of that has the words "In God We Trust" on their currency notes?

If you want to learn about the wise men that founded America then I suggest that you read the link below and maybe you may come to appreciate why they have been great nation for the past 200 years.

Read about wise and learned men who believed in The Uncreated Creator.
http://www.icr.org/articles/view/400/313/

mazaje:
is the bible really a historical book? did the exodus really happen?

No, the bible is not a historical book.

They came before Columbus by Ivan Sertima is a history textbook.

The Guiness book of Records is a historical book.

The Magna Carta Libertatum is a historical document.

Similar to all the other Abrahamic text, the Christian bible is merely a badly written bibliography by a bunch of unqualified and unauthorised amateurs.

In all of Ancient Egyptian history, there are no records of the so-called Exodus claimed by the authors of Abrahamic religious text. There are simply no records of the Moses character.

The only place one would come accross either the Moses character or Exodus is from within the pages of Abrahamic religious text.

Bastage:
The Old Testament does contain some historical fact. There can be no doubt about that

Theres is not one storyline or character present in the Christian bible that can claim to being original, if they wasnt forgeries, they was sexed-up, plagerised or simply altogether made up.

The Old testaments is littered with plagerism and direct copy and paste, whilst the New Testament is littered with numerous forgeries, typologies and direct copy and paste.

Similar to all the other Abrahamic text out there in the public domain, the Christian bible is a fraud.

The bible isnt what it claims to be, rather its a bibliography; a compilation of stories and typologies from all across the globe the contents of which have been copied, plagerised, fabricated, sexed-up or simply altogether made up.

Assuming one wishes to learn about history, one should stay well clear of the writtings from within Abrahamic religious text.

Assuming one wishes to learn of the twisted ways the Roman and Arabian propaganda machine works, then one would find such perfect examples inside of Abrahamic religious text.