TATIME:
Na wa ooooooooo. I said i've found the truth and it's ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses that's practicing it,so if you've gotten a better option just signify by mentioning their group name. Period!

TATIME:
STORY! STORY!! STORY!!! Just tell us the group name of true Christians today. Period

zodiakzax:
Guys I have a nice for you... in this link JW's categorically in their topic Who or What are angels state that Angels were created by God through Jesus.

In their sub topic DO ANGELS HAVE INDIVIDUAL NAMES AND PEROSNALIITES; they said Yes. And went ahead to name the two angels they know by name being Michael and Gabriel.


Now if God created the ANGELS,Michael and Gabriel inclusive through JESUS then how come come Jesus is Michael? I mean evidently God created All angels not some through Jesus, so how come Jesus is also an angel?

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-are-angels/

TATIME:
TELL US
I wonder how fugitives of no DENOMINATION could be referring to themselves as a united family, imagine saying "US" when they belongs to diverse religious groups having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines. Chai Jehovah's Witnesses organization is truly standing against a great army of confused enemies as critics and religionists walahi

johnw47:


oh duh, do God's people need group names
you can call us "God's Church" if you like

there are however group names for antichtists, such as "the jehovah's witnesses"
there are group names for pharisees of old, they are also "the jehovah's witnesses"
there are group names for other groups of people: "nazis", "klu klux klan", etc.

also my post was about: "whether Jesus is the Almighty or not can be resolved simply by quoting Bible texts"
you call that truth: "STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!" and change the topic because you were wrong in saying it cannot be resolved through God's word

you and other false jw's often change the topic, because you have no true answers

very deceiving, but then you are false jw, and of your daddy:
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it

TATIME:
STORY! STORY!! STORY!!! Just tell us the group name of true Christians today. Period

TATIME:
ARGUMENTS as usual! Abeg point to the religious group that's practicing what you're quoting, because Jesus warned that during the last days there will be false teachers deceiving many. OK you have told us that Jehovah's Witnesses are one of them,so

TATIME:
If not then which group is preaching and teaching the truth in line with the doctrines of the first century Christians?

TATIME:
ARGUMENTS as usual!
Abeg point to the religious group that's practicing what you're quoting, because Jesus warned that during the last days there will be false teachers deceiving many. OK you have told us that Jehovah's Witnesses are one of them,so which one is the ORIGINAL group of Christ today? Abi it's only Jehovah's Witnesses that's false? If not then which group is preaching and teaching the truth in line with the doctrines of the first century Christians?
I've given all of you a PRACTICAL solution to all these arguments. If there are FAKE currencies in circulation and the central bank wants to help the masses, the ONLY thing to do is get the people acquainted with the ORIGINAL. That's all
So which religious group is practicing what Jesus commanded today?

Crysthaniel:

yes of course your reply wasn't directed to Tat or me or any Jehovah's witnesses anywhere
it's directed to Jehovah's name.. and every man Will be rewarded Romans 12:19

Hairyrapunzel:


The name of the group today is TRUE CHRISTIANS.

TATIME:
STORY! STORY!! STORY!!! Just tell us the group name of true Christians today. Period

Barristter07:


Isaiah Said Yahweh sent him. how does this support your absurdity ?

zodiakzax:



Well obviously thats exactly how you are taught, to pick what supports your claim and render the ones that do not useless even if it's coming from the same source. Basic or essential attributes of some means those are his primary attributes. When they say that is the basic attitude of someone or something means that's his essential attribute. That is why you see basic or essential. But false Jw will quickly scan through and pick one that his fellow unlearned and unseasoned Jw will believe.

Get educated, you are not a dog because you are not created after it's kind, even though you are both physical beings you are superior to your dog (assuming you have one )because of your human nature or kind. You are in every way better even though both of you walk the terrestrial realm. So what makes you different from your dog? Because you have an inherent characteristics that they lack and that is your intellect and you being made in the image of the creator.


Nature is what differenciates your entire structure as a being from another. God has He's own nature and that makes Him God. No one has the same inherent characteristics as God otherwise such a being will also be God. Is an angel God because they both reside in the celestial realm? Nay, blasphemy, an angel will even strike you for that. God is above an angel because of His inherent Nature.
He is UNCREATED,OMNIPOTENT,OMNISCIENT AND OMNIPRESENT.

Now get this from your own teachings about "truth about angels"

Angels are much more powerful than humans—​and they have superhuman intelligence. They evidently can travel at tremendous speeds, far exceeding the limits of the physical world.

Angels were created with personalities, divine qualities, and free will. Hence, like humans, they can choose to do right or wrong.

Despite their higher mental and spiritual powers, angels have limitations, and there are some things they do not know.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-no5-2017-september/truth-about-angels/

So angels are similar to humans in certain ways but are far superior to humans. Do you get that?

So the fact that angels are spirits and God is also Spirit doesn't make them God because they were created creatures and as such have limits.

Angels are created, cannot be everywhere at the same time, do not know everything, and are not all powerful.

zodiakzax:



Well obviously thats exactly how you are taught, to pick what supports your claim and render the ones that do not useless even if it's coming from the same source. Basic or essential attributes of some means those are his primary attributes. When they say that is the basic attitude of someone or something means that's his essential attribute. That is why you see basic or essential. But false Jw will quickly scan through and pick one that his fellow unlearned and unseasoned Jw will believe.

And regarding what I highlighted, You are clueless and COULDN'T REPLY . Good

Why did I pick that ? Because its relevant to this discussion

You said in a quote "
you and your father are both humans not animals, angels or God. The nature of Humans differ from that of animals,.likewise the nature of angels from that of humans and God. Christ and God have the same nature (Phil 2:6).

So by nature , the above refers to SUBSTANCE , Can you now see my that you have comprehension issues ? Even your own post you don't understand

That explains why you need to answer the question: If I and My Father despite different qualities are HUMANS by Substance, Is GOD AND ANGELS Same Spirit Nature ?

Get educated, you are not a dog because you are not created after it's kind, even though you are both physical beings you are superior to your dog (assuming you have one )because of your human nature or kind. You are in every way better even though both of you walk the terrestrial realm. So what makes you different from your dog? Because you have an inherent characteristics that they lack and that is your intellect and you being made in the image of the creator.

Nature is what differenciates your entire structure as a being from another. God has He's own nature and that makes Him God. No one has the same inherent characteristics as God otherwise such a being will also be God. Is an angel God because they both reside in the celestial realm? Nay, blasphemy, an angel will even strike you for that. God is above an angel because of His inherent Nature.
He is UNCREATED,OMNIPOTENT,OMNISCIENT AND OMNIPRESENT.

A son and Father are Humans by nature. Despite different qualities.

Since your focus is their humanity by nature , abeg answer the question posed and stop per ambulating

Now get this from your own teachings about "truth about angels"

Angels are much more powerful than humans—​and they have superhuman intelligence. They evidently can travel at tremendous speeds, far exceeding the limits of the physical world.

Angels were created with personalities, divine qualities, and free will. Hence, like humans, they can choose to do right or wrong.

Despite their higher mental and spiritual powers, angels have limitations, and there are some things they do not know.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-no5-2017-september/truth-about-angels/

So angels are similar to humans in certain ways but are far superior to humans. Do you get that?


So the fact that angels are spirits and God is also Spirit doesn't make them God because they were created creatures and as such have limits.

Angels are created, cannot be everywhere at the same time, do not know everything, and are not all powerful.

brocab:
You stand at my door, and you ask me, how I came up with such conclusion! I am sure you have heard it all before!

zodiakzax:


... Really Isaiah said that? One of your lots OneJ said that scripture is about Jesus now YOU say it's Isaiah that was sent.... confused illiterates , Show me who the speaker was?and if it's Isaiah I will rest my case..

Barristter07:


The speaker is Isaiah.
Let me think at your level:

Oh you mean third person of Trinity was sending the second person of Trinity ? I weep for Trinity.

Barristter07:


And regarding what I highlighted, You are clueless and COULDN'T REPLY . Good

Why did I pick that ? Because its relevant to this discussion

You said in a quote "
you and your father are both humans not animals, angels or God. The nature of Humans differ from that of animals,.likewise the nature of angels from that of humans and God. Christ and God have the same nature (Phil 2:6).

So by nature , the above refers to SUBSTANCE , Can you now see my that you have comprehension issues ? Even your own post you don't understand

That explains why you need to answer the question: If I and My Father despite different qualities are HUMANS by Substance, Is GOD AND ANGELS Same Spirit Nature ?





Silly comment . Who compares Humans and dogs ? Dont Shift the goal post , You said and I quote: I and my Father have same substance ( Human) , Does God and the angels have same Substance ?

Na why I talk say you don enter one chance






A son and Father are Humans by nature. Despite different qualities.

Since your focus is their humanity by nature , abeg answer the question posed and stop per ambulating




Father and son are same by nature which is your argument ...

Based on the highlighted, Do you agree angels are equal to God by nature ( Substance) ?

Barristter07:


And regarding what I highlighted, You are clueless and COULDN'T REPLY . Good

Why did I pick that ? Because its relevant to this discussion

You said in a quote "
you and your father are both humans not animals, angels or God. The nature of Humans differ from that of animals,.likewise the nature of angels from that of humans and God. Christ and God have the same nature (Phil 2:6).

So by nature , the above refers to SUBSTANCE , Can you now see my that you have comprehension issues ? Even your own post you don't understand

That explains why you need to answer the question: If I and My Father despite different qualities are HUMANS by Substance, Is GOD AND ANGELS Same Spirit Nature ?





Silly comment . Who compares Humans and dogs ? Dont Shift the goal post , You said and I quote: I and my Father have same substance ( Human) , Does God and the angels have same Substance ?

Na why I talk say you don enter one chance






A son and Father are Humans by nature. Despite different qualities.

Since your focus is their humanity by nature , abeg answer the question posed and stop per ambulating




Father and son are same by nature which is your argument ...

Based on the highlighted, Do you agree angels are equal to God by nature ( Substance) ?

Barristter07:


Not relevant to what i asked.

zodiakzax:





Kindly follow as I address your questions by breaking it down to a laymans understanding:



Who compares humans to dogs? Exactly.. you've answered your own question, if you can't compare humans to dog then why do you compare angels to God?

Seems that example is too high for you, but let me break it down for you because I know intellectuals will understand it nonetheless

You said who compares dogs to humans. Why? Because a dog is not human even though they are both in the physical realm. Why is the dog different from human because of our nature. and the fact that you are both physical beings doesnt mean you are of the same kind or nature. Likewise God and angels even though they are Spirit beings they differ in nature and kind. ANGELS ARE OF ONE KIND,CREATED, NOT OMNIPOTENT,NOT OMNISCIENT AND NOT OMNIPRESENT AND GOD IS OF ANOTHER KIND, UNCREATED,OMNISCIENT,OMNIPRESENT AND OMNIPOTENT. ANYONE HAVING THIS ATTRIBUTES IS GOD. SO IF ANGELS HAVE THIS CHARACTERISTICS THEN WE CAN SAY THEY ARE GOD BUT SINCE THEY DONT THEN THEY ARE OF THEIR OWN KIND,A DIFFERENT ONE. you get it now..

Secondly


NOPE.BY NATURE THE WORD DOES NOT MEAN SUBSTANCE SINCE FROM THE BEGINNING YOU ASKED THAT WE DEFINE NATURE BY USING A DICTIONARY WHICH I DID AND THERE WAS NO SUBSTANCE IN IT. BY NATURE WE MEAN INHERENT/BASIC/ESSENTIAL CHARACTERISTICS OF SOMETHING. SO ON THAT FOUNDATION I MADE MY STATEMENTS. YOU INDEED LACK UNDERSTANDING.

Now let me break this down for you again

In humans, your Father and you are the same in nature not authority, what makes you both HUMAN BEINGS AND NOT MONKEYS IS THAT YOU BOTH HAVE THE SAME INHERENT ESSENGIAL CHARACTERISTICS. But as a Father and head of the house he's superior to you in authority alone..

Now Philippians 2:6

New International Version

Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

New Living Translation
Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.

English Standard Version
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

Berean Study Bible
Who, existing in the form of God , did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

Berean Literal Bible
Who, [highlight] existing in the form of God, did not consider to be equal with God something to be grasped,

New American Standard Bible
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

King James Bible
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Christian Standard Bible
who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be exploited.

Contemporary English Version
Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.

Good News Translation
He always had the nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.

International Standard Version
In God's own form existed he, and shared with God equality, deemed nothing needed grasping


Phil 2:7

New International Version
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

Barristter07:


Humans and dogs are different in FORM

That's why that analogy is wrong as I pointed out.

A human Father and Son Have the same substance /Form

So when we understand the substance and Form. In which God exist. Clearly this gets Self explanatory



Nature is synonymous to Substance .

Have you forgotten you yourself quoted it?

Hahahaha



See how the above @ highlighted , explains nature as FORM /SUBSTANCE . your. Lies keep getting exposed.


Beautiful!!! , Now tell us . what is the form in which God exist ? ( question tagged A3#)

brocab:
It's simple just read the scriptures "God is Spirit..

zodiakzax:


, exactly now your IQ is high since you want to think at my level... keep it there so we can have a great conversation since you are at my level

Here is the verse from vs 1, let's see if it was Isaiah talking

Yahweh from vs starts:


1.Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the Lord , and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness.

2.For they call themselves of the holy city, and stay themselves upon the God of Israel; The Lord of hosts is his name.

3. I[b] have declared the former things from the beginning[/b]; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.

4. Because I knew that thou art obstinate, and thy neck is an iron sinew, and thy brow brass;

5. I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.

6.Thou hast heard, see all this; and will not ye declare it? I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things, and thou didst not know them.

7. They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.

8. Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb.

9. For my name's sake will I defer mine anger, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off.

10. Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

11.For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

12.Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

13. Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

14.All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.

15. I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.

16.Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God , and his Spirit, hath sent me.

17.Thus saith the Lord , thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

18.O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

19.Thy seed also had been as the sand, and the offspring of thy bowels like the gravel thereof; his name should not have been cut off nor destroyed from before me.

20.Go ye forth of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The Lord hath redeemed his servant Jacob.

21. And they thirsted not when he led them through the deserts: he caused the waters to flow out of the rock for them: he clave the rock also, and the waters gushed out.

22.There is no peace, saith the Lord , unto the wicked.
Isaiah 48:1‭-‬22 KJV

Yahweh definitely the speaker in vs 16,

Yahweh says come near me, He says I have not spoken in secret from the beginning, from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God and His Spirit,bath sent me.


So what makes you say it was Isaiah, since you are now reasoning at my level, kindly be unbiased and open minded and not stupid for that's how i am at my level...

Barristter07:


God exist in SPIRIT Form, are angels in that same form/nature ?

cc: Zodiakzax

Barristter07:


Receive sense, its impossible for Yahweh to refer to anyone as Lord.

Psalm 83:18 described Yahweh as THE MOST HIGH . the Most High won't call anyone his Lord., so therefore the one SENT cannot be Yahweh

Barristter07:


Humans and dogs are different in FORM

That's why that analogy is wrong as I pointed out.

A human Father and Son Have the same substance /Form

So when we understand the substance and Form. In which God exist. Clearly this gets Self explanatory



Nature is synonymous to Substance .

Have you forgotten you yourself quoted it?

Hahahaha



See how the above @ highlighted , explains nature as FORM /SUBSTANCE . your. Lies keep getting exposed.


Beautiful!!! , Now tell us . what is the form in which God exist ? ( question tagged A3#)

zodiakzax:




Do you even read what I write?


Humans and dogs are different by nature, even though they are both physical beings.... you said Yahweh and angels have the same nature since they are Spirit beings... Now you rightly said Humans and dogs are different in form, why did you say that? Don't they all have physical bodies? Don't they all reside on Earth?
What differenciates them?

So likewise Yahweh and the angels, don't they all reside in Heaven? Don't they all have Spirit Bodies? What differentiates them?


So in answering, Yes both beings have PHYSICAL BODIES, both RESIDE ON EARTH, their NATURE differentiates them

2. Yes both beings have SPIRIT BODIES, both RESIDE IN HEAVEN,their NATURE differentiates them....


Seems you can't comprehend that...


Now
Phil 2:6

NIV
Who, being in very nature God, d[/b]id not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

New Living Translation
Though [b]he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.

English Standard Version
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

Berean Study Bible
Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

Berean Literal Bible
Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider to be equal with God something to be grasped,

New American Standard Bible
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

King James Bible
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Christian Standard Bible
who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be exploited.

Contemporary English Version
Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.

Good News Translation
He always had the nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God.


Do you know why some used nature and some clearly states He is God? Because of the Greek word used there Morphe which denotes nature,kind,type etc.. not SUBSTANCE.


You are forcing me to go down your line and that can't be because NATURE IS NOT SUBSTANCE.


Nature:

the basic or inherent features, character, or qualities of something.


synonyms: essence, inherent/basic/essential characteristics, inherent/basic/essential qualities, inherent/basic/essential attributes, inherent/basic/essential features, sum and substance,character,identity.


Nature by definition isbthe basic or inherent features or character or qualities of something.... this is the definition of Nature

And then Synonyms, essence,essential characteristics...... SUM AND SUBSTANCE.... have you realised it's not only SUBSTABCE but SUM AND SUBSTANCE


By Dictionary

Sum:

the whole of something after all the different features or parts that it consists of are taken into account:


Putting this meaning there it says nature of something is the total attribute or characteristics of something including every part of that thing...


SO STOP TRYING TO BE SMART AND USING THINGD I NEVER SAID OR USED IN OUR ARGUMENT....