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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:16pm On Dec 15, 2018
It doesn't matter how history began, these web sites about the JW's is everywhere, no-one is asking you to believe anything, but while history repeats itself, or we can do, is keep on producing the evidence..
TATIME:

I've told you before that brother C.T. Russell wasn't the founder of this wonderful group, otherwise nobody would change what he laid down Correct or Incorrect.
I do believe you did mention about C.T. Russell, but what I didn't read, if it wasn't Russell then how about filling in the missing links-because it wasn't Rutherford either-but it could be William Miller..
TATIME:
Jesus gave the keys of the Kingdom to Peter, Peter committed lots and lots of blunders and when he is corrected even by someone like Paul who never walked with Jesus, Peter humbly welcomes reproof! Matthew 16:19,Matthew 26:69-75,Galatians 2:11-14
You are starting to sound more like the Catholic's, they actually believe Peter built the Vatican, Peter having the keys didn't mean he was the chief cornerstone-Peter wasn't the only leader-Peter was more like the big brother type-the other disciples also had that same authority as Peter did.
You make it sound like Paul had no authority-he met Jesus on the road, He walked with Jesus, alright, not in the flesh, but in Spirit-and he wrote more on the New Testament, more about Christ then the other apostles did..
Giving the Keys to Peter-is more to the fact, it's like symbols of authority. The Father had spoken through Peter-which is the rock-the foundation of the Word of God: {Matthew 16:18} And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
{Isaiah 22:22} we see Eliakim the priest receiving “the key of the house of David…on his shoulder.” A trusted servant to the king wore the key to the king’s house on a hook on his shoulder. Therefore, he had the authority to open or close the king’s house.{Revelation 3:7} uses similar symbolism, speaking plainly of Jesus having the key of David. In ancient Israel, the human king was in fact the steward of God, the true King of the land. Similarly, the divine Christ is the steward of His Father’s Kingdom. With that authority, only Jesus can allow or disallow someone entrance into the Kingdom—but no man had or has that authority.
It is important to realize that the “rock” of {Matthew 16:18} is Jesus, not Peter.
Peter was a leading apostle of the big brother type in the early New Testament Church of God for many years, but not its chief cornerstone, that was and is Jesus Christ {Ephesians 2:20}
Scripture calls Jesus “that Rock” in {1 Corinthians 10:4} It is upon this rock—Jesus Christ—that our faith stands, {Matthew 7:24-25}
So before you get yourself or hot-headed over nothing, learn about history-and learn about the scriptures, before you start preaching about other religious doctrines..
TATIME:
That's exactly the problem all these other religious groups are having today!
They stick to whatever their human founders dogmatically lay down as doctrines and they're never going to improve on it even if they discovered there are flaws.
I've told you before that brother C.T. Russell wasn't the founder of this wonderful group, otherwise nobody would change what he laid down Correct or Incorrect.
Jesus gave the keys of the Kingdom to Peter, Peter committed lots and lots of blunders and when he is corrected even by someone like Paul who never walked with Jesus, Peter humbly welcomes reproof! Matthew 16:19,Matthew 26:69-75,Galatians 2:11-14
Peter also spread the rumor that John won't die until Jesus returns, it was after all the Apostles had died that God's Holy Spirit inspired John to include in his record of the gospel that Jesus never said so. John 21:20-23
Paul (who wasn't with the Apostles during the life and ministry of Jesus) founded many churches as he travels through the Mediterranean sea area,he was establishing what the Apostles laid down as principles and Peter commended Paul even after being shunned publicly by the same Paul. 2Peter 3:15
Please if you lived as a contemporary of these men, would you have agreed that God's Holy Spirit used them?
Well that's the heritage of the worshippers of JEHOVAH. HE is not expecting perfection from them, HE is only interested in how imperfect descendants of Adam are willing to accept corrections! Psalms 103:14 God bless you Sir!
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brodalokie: 3:19pm On Dec 15, 2018
TATIME:
The title "GOD" is what caused all these arguments. But it could easily be resolved if we consider Psalms 82:1,6
There the scriptures said in verse 1 "GOD stand in the congregation of the mighty, HE judges amongst the Gods" verse 6 reads "I have said,you are Gods and all of you are the children of the most high".
One word that took my attention is JUDGE. Why? Because according to Genesis chapter 3:4 5 there Satan told Eve that if they disregards God's orders "they will become Gods. This means they'll be in the position to determine what is good and bad or in other words they'll become "judges".
So when Psalms 82:1 says God JUDGES amongst the Gods, surely those ones aren't supposed to be judges or Kings who will determine the fate of other intelligent creatures based on what they assume to be good or bad. That's why God said they will die just like others. Psalms 82:6
In conclusion Moses became God before Pharaoh and all his contemporaries to determine their fate,that of Pharaoh and all his(Pharaoh's) subjects as a JUDGE who will tell them what is good or bad. Exodus 7:1
Jesus became God before all those who will have everlasting life as a JUDGE who will tell them what is good and what is bad. Isaiah 11:1-5 compared to John 8:16
Both Moses and Jesus served as God to the glory of the Almighty who made them Gods and they're ever subjected to the One who elevated them to serve in that capacity! Deuteronomy 6:4 Mark 12:29 1Corinthians 15:20-28
God bless you Sir!

You look at the magnitude of authority you just allotted to position of Jesus. Is there anybody else in that capacity?

If we are ALL made GODS by eating from the fruits and we are ALL made priests and KINGS through the blood of Jesus then who is the one person in the center of us all? If not Jesus the Christ?

Mind you Jesus was born in April and not December 25
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Hairyrapunzel: 3:22pm On Dec 15, 2018
OneJ:


"thou being a man maketh thyself God" was a false allegations labeled against Jesus.

Christ disagreed with that false allegation.

"Jesus answered them,..... why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said 'I am God's son?" John 10:34-36.

The Jews NEVER understood Son of God as meaning God incarnate.

In John 17:3, Jesus gives solid proof that he is not Jehovah in the New Testament.

Is John 20:17,30,31 . Acts 3:12-15 hard for U to understand?
Shame did not even allow quote the preceding verse john 10:33. 33
We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”. So that you don't enter the Jews their mind. Lol

Why didn't you quote verse 33? You didn't because in that verse the Jews gave the reason for stoning Jesus Christ
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 3:22pm On Dec 15, 2018
brodalokie:


You look at the magnitude of authority you just allotted to position of Jesus. Is there anybody else in that capacity?

If we are ALL made GODS by eating from the fruits and we are ALL made priests and KINGS through the blood of Jesus then who is the one person in the center of us all? If not Jesus the Christ?
I'm not getting your point.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 3:40pm On Dec 15, 2018
brodalokie:


You look at the magnitude of authority you just allotted to position of Jesus. Is there anybody else in that capacity?

If we are ALL made GODS by eating from the fruits and we are ALL made priests and KINGS through the blood of Jesus then who is the one person in the center of us all? If not Jesus the Christ?

Mind you Jesus was born in April and not December 25
NO Sir! It's Satan's idea that humans should become judges for themselves not God's arrangement. Ecclesiastes 4:1,8:9
The arrangement should have been God tells Adam what is good and bad, And Adam pass the info to his descendants as God's firstborn on the surface of the earth. Luke 3:38
If Adam have remained loyal to God, there won't have been any need for Jesus to come and do anything for us here because our father (Adam) would have remained for eternity,always passing lifesaving info to his descendants from our Grandfather (God). But because he failed and passed on sin and death to all of us, that's why we need another sinless person to replace Adam( 1Corinthians 15:45) as our new father who will start passing the lifesaving info to us (John 8:28)and remain forever as our everlasting (never to die) father! Isaiah 9:6
Jesus bought all those who will become His children with His own blood after dying to pay and cleanse the sinful nature Adam passed unto us,nlike Adam who became our father through the reproduction process. That's why Jesus must be viewed as Lord by all those who wish to regain what Adam forfeited (everlasting life).
Jesus did all of these because according to Himself, of all the things created through Him, Jesus loves humans the most! Proverbs 8:30,31
So when God said who will go and redeem humans from their dying condition, Jesus stood up and said "i will go" Isaiah 6:8,11:10 compared to Daniel 12:1
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brodalokie: 3:45pm On Dec 15, 2018
TATIME:
I'm not getting your point.

When a judge puts on the Black robe like a female and wearing the White wig signifying wisdom like the Serpent. Head is a simbol of man or masculinity. Then they drop their hammer on us. The simbol of the court is a female holding a scale on one hand and a sword on the other hand.
In the catholic church you see an image of a Libra or female looking archangel called Michael standing on the head of a human male while she holds a sword or a scale or both. This libra on the head of a man is the simbol of the state of Virginia sharing border with Washington DC.
Notice the woman and the serpent (Hermaphrodite = Hermes and Aphrodite) combination to dominate the Adam or Man-kind who they refer to as Satan. In astrology this combination is depicted as a lion head with snake body (dragon without it's feathers or the sphinx), popularly called Saturn. Saturday is Saturn's day or Sabbath day. Now Saturn is the god of karma or judge that flips through record of the past and drops a hammer or sanction on the subject.
Some people are selling this deity to you as God. Me I am selling Jesus Christ our redeemer

In your own words
Jesus became God before ALL those who will have EVERLASTING LIFE as a JUDGE who will tell them what is good and what is bad. Isaiah 11:1-5 compared to John 8:16
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brodalokie: 3:51pm On Dec 15, 2018
TATIME:
NO Sir! It's Satan's idea that humans should become judges for themselves not God's arrangement. Ecclesiastes 4:1,8:9
The arrangement should have been God tells Adam what is good and bad, And Adam pass the info to his descendants as God's firstborn on the surface of the earth. Luke 3:38
If Adam have remained loyal to God, there won't have been any need for Jesus to come and do anything for us here because our father Adam would have remained for eternity,always passing lifesaving info to his descendants from our Grandfather God. But because he failed and passed on sin and death to all of us, that's why we need another sinless person to replace Adam( 1Corinthians 15:45) as our new father who will start passing the lifesaving info to us (John 8:28)and remain forever as our everlasting father! Isaiah 9:6

Exactly, it will shock you to see how much of a judge we have become to mankind and against mankind. We keep judging ourselves. Saturn is playing tricks on us.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by achorladey: 3:54pm On Dec 15, 2018
TATIME:
If the "Jehovah's organization" members are ALLOWED to practice Galatians 5:19-21
Please why are they laying emphasis on it seriously in a study article of our watchtower?
Let me give you a useful advice that will benefit you greatly. "if you're no more interested in Jehovah's Witnesses organization, no one is forcing you to stay, therefore you're free to go and join any other group that pleases you" When Apostle Paul was writing that letter to Christians in Galatia, he wasn't saying "he's sure that Christians are TOTALLY clean or free from all those practices"( Romans 7:21-23,1Corinthians 6:9-11,) rather he is reminding them the practices that Jehovah won't permit in HIS Kingdom.
Of course Christians came from different races, cultures and backgrounds, so whatever each person's background permits out of all that's mentioned MUST BE DONE AWAY WITH meaning you should learn how to stop it or leave Christianity if you're not ready to stop it. 1Corinthians 5:9-13
Now there are many religious groups claiming Christians today,most of them aren't emphasizing the need for their members to stop those things, which religious group gives NO room for such practices?
When JW organization condemns
*National Anthems
*Military services
*Politics
*Interfaith
*Intermarriage between members and none members and so on amongst their members, other religious groups raised eyebrows. But a careful study of JWs magazines will help honesthearted persons to know that even though you knew very well the works of the flesh and wants to keep away from them, there are events or friendships that will definitely lead you into practicing them. 1Corinthians 15:33
Those are the things JWs condemns in our organization!


TATIME: If the "Jehovah's organization" members are ALLOWED to practice Galatians 5:19-21

Achorladey: Conditional statement from your own head and hands used in typing. Did you see me post "ALLOWED". I have repeatedly encouraged you that your P. R. O skills on all things JWs on this platform is nothing to write home about. When you go for next meeting which will be tomorrow, ask the elders there are YOU ALLOWED to practice Galatians 5:19-21. SMH!

TATIME: Please why are they laying emphasis on it seriously in a study article of our watchtower?

Achorladey: Very good question.

First, the THEY(signifies and stands for the GOVERNING BODY).

Secondly the laying of STRONG EMPHASIS is simply because the GOVERNING BODY knows their members are increasingly becoming LIARS(don't forget the article was all about speaking the truth) the members lie up to the extent of falsifying the details of application forms to serve in bethel.

Therefore when a JW lies, he is not different from a Roman Catholic, CAC, the methodist that do so as well, so your claim of being special holds no water.

To colour the thinking of the JWs reading the Watchtower October 2018 study edition article titled "speaking the truth" the last Sub heading goes thus..... WE "SPEAK THE TRUTH.

Permit me to break this down for you, the WE can be for the GOVERNING MEMBERS(meaning they are the only ones speaking the truth) because they no longer trust their followers therefore the need for this article and that is why paragraphs 14-19 was directed to specifically it's adherents/members.

The WE can also be for the whole JWs giving them false hope of being the only Christians that speaks the truth and keeping them in a deluded state because paragraphs 14-18 proves there claim of speaking the truth to be false but in words and actions(go back to the picture for more details).


TATIME: Let me give you a useful advice that will benefit you greatly. "if you're no more interested in Jehovah's Witnesses organization, no one is forcing you to stay, therefore you're free to go and join any other group that pleases you"

Achorladey: I can choose to follow or ignore your "useful" advice, it's a freedom I can freely exercise on my own. It's not in JOINING a group, this many others on this thread has made serious case for. Do not put your trust in Men/Princes(Including the GOVERNING BODY) in whom there is no salvation Psalms 146:3.



TATIME: When Apostle Paul was writing that letter to Christians in Galatia, he wasn't saying "he's sure that Christians are TOTALLY clean or free from all those practices"( Romans 7:21-23,1Corinthians 6:9-11,)

Achorladey :Very good, At least you didn't say "he is sure that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are TOTALLY clean from all of those practices"

So it's not by your claim of strictness in your previous post on this matter that will solve the problem. Don't peddle the JWS organizations of being the only religious group that are strict concerning all these issues. Afterall the MARRIAGE ceremonies of JWs still CARRY a measure of EXTRVAGANCE when compared with Deeper life and some other religious denominations. Now you know.



TATIME: Rather he is reminding them the practices that Jehovah won't permit in HIS Kingdom.

Achorladey: Rather Paul was reminding us that those who have built REPUTATION for all these things mentioned will not inherit the Kingdom.


TATIME: Of course Christians came from different races, and backgrounds, so whatever each person's background permits out of all that's mentioned MUST BE DONE AWAY WITH

Achorladey : Another good point, that's what God's words and undeserved kindness/grace does to us all as CHRISTIANS. These things teaches us continually to reject ungodliness. It's not by joining one RELIGIOUS DENOMINATIONS that gives you IMMUNITY from UNGODLINESS.


TATIME: meaning you should learn how to stop it or leave Christianity if you're not ready to stop it. 1Corinthians 5:9-13

Achorladey: Your supporting scripture is so bad and terrible, the WRONGDOER in 1 Corinthians did not leave CHRISTIANITY, don't add what is not recorded in there and do not put your ASSUMPTIONS in there. If the WRONGDOER in 1 Corinthians had abandoned CHRISTIANITY. Why then was he allowed to be associated with again. Our greatest work as Christians is this.......John 6:39. Now you know. Even when a Christian does a wrong thing for no reason must he abandon the FAITH.


TATIME: Now there are many religious groups claiming Christians today,most of them aren't emphasizing the need for their members to stop those things,

Achorladey : I need statistics to support the assumptions/hypothesis you postulated above. The religious denominations within your own locality are there sermons on sundays based on how there adherents can practice more those things mentioned by PAUL?


TATIME: which religious group gives NO room for such practices?

Achorladey : To answer the question, this will be in two ways.

Firstly, I can give you the answer your SOUL crave and will like to tickle your EARS by saying JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES but the picture posted initially based on the magazine mentioned tells me am WRONG. That the magazine you highly cherished mentioned the PREVALENT DOUBLE LIFE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES tells me that there is more that meets the eye about the JWS.


Secondly, your religious organization has not been STRICT enough up to the extreme extent of what a popular man of God did in a state in Nigeria about one of its members that FORNICATE. That is a pointer that other RELIGIOUS GROUPS are doing there best, but all this things no be our own power.

TATIME: When JW organization condemns
*National Anthems
*Military services
*Politics
*Interfaith
*Intermarriage between members and none members and so on amongst their members, other religious groups raised eyebrows.

achorladey: Give us the evidence and statistics about the hullabaloo raised by outsiders.



TATIME: But a careful study of JWs magazines will help honesthearted persons to know that even though you knew very well the works of the flesh and wants to keep away from them, there are events or friendships that will definitely lead you into practicing them. 1Corinthians 15:33

Achorladey: But a careful study of the Bible and not JWS magazines is what will help people of all nations. 1 Corinthians 15:33 bad association spoil useful habit.......are there bad associates even in the JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES? A simple YES is the answer, the picture in that magazines presented it SUCCINCTLY. Oga TATIME, you can choose to accept or reject, the ball is in your court.


TATIME:Those are the things JWs condemns in our organization!

Achorladey: Other religious denominations condemns it as well. You might go and research up on values that promotes PEACE in your CIVIC EDUCATION or SOCIAL STUDIES. One of such value is TOLERANCE. When some religious denominations TOLERATE some practice(s) it doesn't mean ACCEPTANCE. Now you know.

OGA TATIME I beg take your time to read the conversation above carefully. You will be glad you did.

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 3:58pm On Dec 15, 2018
brodalokie:


Exactly, it will shock you to see how much of a judge we have become to mankind and against mankind. We keep judging ourselves. Saturn is playing tricks on us.
So all judges are serving as gods whether appointed, selected, elected or through divine appointment like Moses and Jesus. But while Moses and Jesus served as representatives of the one who made them judges, human judges are serving the interest of Satan who deceived Adam and Eve. So they're judging based on what humans agreed upon as good or bad, not what God says!
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by achorladey: 4:11pm On Dec 15, 2018
TATIME:
So all judges are serving as gods whether appointed, selected, elected or through divine appointment like Moses and Jesus. But while Moses and Jesus served as representatives of the one who made them judges, human judges are serving the interest of Satan who deceived Adam and Eve. So they're judging based on what humans agreed upon as good or bad, not what God says!

QUESTIONS:

1. Do the ELDERS in the CONGREGATIONS OF JEHOVAH'S witnesses serve as JUDGES? A. Yes B. No. C. I choose not to answer.

2. Do you also agree from your comment and post am responding to that the ELDERS in the CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are serving the INTEREST of SATAN? A.. Yes B. No. C. I choose to dodge the questions.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brodalokie: 4:15pm On Dec 15, 2018
TATIME:
So all judges are serving as gods whether appointed, selected, elected or through divine appointment like Moses and Jesus. But while Moses and Jesus served as representatives of the one who made them judges, human judges are serving the interest of Satan who deceived Adam and Eve. So they're judging based on what humans agreed upon as good or bad, not what God says!

Gbam! Just like 69 moses was an example of the redeemer of the God's elect from stronghold of Saturn's karmic slavery scheme by judging Pharoah and his bearers. Jesus came to correct the elects who had become a judge themselves. He did not judge anyone. He would say the law tells you like this? Here is the interpretation to that and woe unto you if you are putting people through the law and you are an hypocrite yourself. I am here to perform all the law for your sake now you just believe in me. It is a circle of 69 or 8 or 0, an infinite circle. No man is God but Jesus grin
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 4:15pm On Dec 15, 2018
achorladey:

Other religious denominations condemns it as well. You might go and research up on values that promotes PEACE in your CIVIC EDUCATION or SOCIAL STUDIES. One of such value is TOLERANCE. When some religious denominations TOLERATE some practice(s) it doesn't mean ACCEPTANCE. Now you know.

OGA TATIME I beg take your time to read the conversation above carefully. You will be glad you did.
Though i may not be sound in English grammar but i surely know that there's no difference between these two words TOLERATE and ALLOW.
You can speak for the world and their dos and donts but as for pure worship, there is zero tolerance for those practices mentioned in Galatians 5:19-21,that's the reason Apostle Paul could say REMOVE or DISFELLOWSHIP those practicing such from the Christian congregation! 1Corinthians 5:11-13
Hellooooooo if it's not CHRISTIANITY(Jehovah's Organization) it can never be anything close Christianity. That's why i advised you earlier that you're FREE to worship wherever you are pleased because it's obvious you can't fit in to JEHOVAH'S arrangement! wink wink
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 4:19pm On Dec 15, 2018
Choose where you wish to worship and with whom you're willing to worship, as for me and my house it's amongst Jehovah's Witnesses! smiley smiley smiley
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 4:23pm On Dec 15, 2018
TATIME:
It's not just enough to make someone feel bad because he's remaining faithful and loyal to what he/she has been taught to believe, it's rather reasonable to direct, present, point or show him/her the best way to do what he/she thought he/she is doing right!
This is why we are here to show you the truth, we have asked you to study a bible, but you have refused to do so, we can't sit with you, all we have is this site: you claim you use the KJV 'then study this bible-if you honestly believe it is true and correct and everything that is written in it is right-then what is your problem why don't you believe what you preach?
TATIME:
So all those rival groups form alliance against Jesus' group (Christians).
So it became obvious that the activities of those rival groups are diminishing and becoming futile as many people are now getting used to Christianity (the only Jewish group that's performing greatly as lovers of those in their neighborhood).
There you go again, you believe your works is favourable to God-works is dead without faith-if you really had the faith in Christ-you would be preaching Christ-instead you have faith in Jehovah, so you preach Jehovah-this is why you are confused-people preach what they are taught, you preach what you know, we in the other hand preach what we know-we preach Christ.
TATIME:
I want to agree that JWs are fake,
You keep on saying!
TATIME:
but won't it make sense if a PERFORMING group is presented to show honesthearted individuals that "this is how Christianity ought to be"?
{John 3:3} Again we have showing you this scripture, one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God!
{And again you have been refusing the Word of God}
It won't matter how many times we have shared with you the Word of God, you still refuse it without even testing it? It seems you haven't got it in you to even questioned it.
{Colossians 1:3-6} We give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of your love for all the saints; because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel, which has come to you, as it has also in all the world, and is bringing forth fruit, as it is also among you since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth..
There is no other way to be with God-the Father gave everything to Jesus-all authority-meaning we need all our focus to be on Jesus-our prayer time, worship time, our asking time, everything was given to Jesus everything-our study time, our learning time-our Holy Spirit time-everything belongs to Jesus.
But if we were to pray to another god-then it is obvious we don't know Jesus.
If I go into my room and pray to the Father-then I am praying to Jesus-but if I pray to a god that doesn't line up with the Word of God, than I am praying to another god. A god that can't deliver me anywhere but to its own nesting which is in Hell Fire.
TATIME:
Pharisees in the first century stopped performing as worshippers of Jehovah,because there are many rival groups until Jesus commissioned Christianity. So all those rival groups form alliance against Jesus' group (Christians).
So it became obvious that the activities of those rival groups are diminishing and becoming futile as many people are now getting used to Christianity (the only Jewish group that's performing greatly as lovers of those in their neighborhood).
I want to agree that JWs are fake, but won't it make sense if a PERFORMING group is presented to show honesthearted individuals that "this is how Christianity ought to be"? It's not just enough to make someone feel bad because he's remaining faithful and loyal to what he/she has been taught to believe, it's rather reasonable to direct, present, point or show him/her the best way to do what he/she thought he/she is doing right! The Pharisees are all out with rage to intimidate, criticize, prosecute, persecute and make the Christians feel worthless with all their unwavering faith in Jesus but NEVER ready to present, show, point or direct them to a better WAY to worship the true God.
I don't want to believe that that's exactly what all you critics against Jehovah's Witnesses are doing right now! undecided undecided
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by achorladey: 4:28pm On Dec 15, 2018
TATIME:
Choose where you wish to worship and with whom you're willing to worship, as for me and my house it's amongst Jehovah's Witnesses! smiley smiley smiley

Nobody is holding you back from doing so. Na your palaver be that. At least nobody has said you should join their religious denominations on this thread so far. You TATIME is the one trying to CAJOLE those on this thread and platform to BUY into what you are FINDING it difficult to MARKET.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 4:29pm On Dec 15, 2018
achorladey:


QUESTIONS:

1. Do the ELDERS in the CONGREGATIONS OF JEHOVAH'S witnesses serve as JUDGES? A. Yes B. No. C. I choose not to answer.

2. Do you also agree from your comment and post am responding to that the ELDERS in the CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are serving the INTEREST of SATAN? A.. Yes B. No. C. I choose to dodge the questions.

Hmmmmmmmmmm Matthew 12:43-45
When Paul wrote to the CHRISTIAN congregation in Corinth to REMOVE the unrepentant sinner from among them, it's like he mentioned something about JUDGE.
So who are to take charge of the instructions that Apostle gave? Well Jehovah's Witnesses organization believes that it is the appointed elders in each congregation! They just need to follow STRICTLY the procedure laid down in the Bible so that the judgment is according to God's righteous standards and not to follow the worldly thinking as you would have love it to be! wink wink wink
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 4:31pm On Dec 15, 2018
Try learning something, and don't be a fool! The 144000 JW's won't make it into heaven to be the Lord!-this is your chance to accept Christ to be your Lord and savour-to come into the knowledge of Him that saved you..
TATIME:
Choose where you wish to worship and with whom you're willing to worship, as for me and my house it's amongst Jehovah's Witnesses! smiley smiley smiley
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by achorladey: 4:56pm On Dec 15, 2018
TATIME:
Though i may not be sound in English grammar but i surely know that there's no difference between these two words TOLERATE and ALLOW.
You can speak for the world and their dos and donts but as for pure worship, there is zero tolerance for those practices mentioned in Galatians 5:19-21,that's the reason Apostle Paul could say REMOVE or DISFELLOWSHIP those practicing such from the Christian congregation! 1Corinthians 5:11-13
Hellooooooo if it's not CHRISTIANITY(Jehovah's Organization) it can never be anything close Christianity. That's why i advised you earlier that you're FREE to worship wherever you are pleased because it's obvious you can't fit in to JEHOVAH'S arrangement! wink wink


TATIME: Though i may not be sound in English grammar but i surely know that there's no difference between these two words TOLERATE and ALLOW.

Achorladey: This is highly commendable and its good to see what you typed. Where you keep the ACCEPTANCE aspect in the post you cut from........

TATIME: You can speak for the world and their dos and donts but as for pure worship, there is zero tolerance for those practices mentioned in Galatians 5:19-21,

Achorladey: what is pure worship? If there is ZERO TOLERANCE for those PRACTICES why was DAVID spared. Luke 7:36-50 will be something you will want to read now.


TATIME: that's the reason Apostle Paul could say REMOVE or DISFELLOWSHIP those practicing such from the Christian congregation! 1Corinthians 5:11-13

Achorladey: Disfellowship......hahahahahaha and once the person is removed from the Christian congrgation does that place an embargo on the person approaching God personally, Sorry oooo Oga strict rules. God does show mercy to the wicked not to talk of those who have the required faith John 6:39

TATIME: Hellooooooo if it's not CHRISTIANITY(Jehovah's Organization) it can never be anything close Christianity.

Achorladey: You that don't want to be called a CHRISTIAN on a previous thread is now shouting CHRISTIANITY. Helloooooooo CHRISTIANITY is different from JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION. Jehovah's organization cannot be found in that Bible you carry, na the coined words from the GOVERNING BODY.


TATIME: That's why i advised you earlier that you're FREE to worship wherever you are pleased because it's obvious you can't fit in to JEHOVAH'S arrangement!

Achorladey: What is JEHOVAH'S ARRANGEMENT?........John 14:6 there can be no greater arrangement than this. The WAY, THE TRUTH, THE LIFE. QED.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by achorladey: 5:09pm On Dec 15, 2018
TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm Matthew 12:43-45
When Paul wrote to the CHRISTIAN congregation in Corinth to REMOVE the unrepentant sinner from among them, it's like he mentioned something about JUDGE.
So who are to take charge of the instructions that Apostle gave? Well Jehovah's Witnesses organization believes that it is the appointed elders in each congregation! They just need to follow STRICTLY the procedure laid down in the Bible so that the judgment is according to God's righteous standards and not to follow the worldly thinking as you would have love it to be! wink wink wink

The more reason people on this thread need to read all your post closely. You abandoned the question completely because obviously it has to do with what concern the JWS. The questions still remain based on what you postulated previously, when they(ELDERS OF JWS) Judge do you agree they work for Satan? A. YES B. NO. C .I choose to dodge like I always do.

TATIME: So who are to take charge of the instructions that Apostle gave? Well Jehovah's Witnesses organization believes that it is the appointed elders in each congregation! They just need to follow STRICTLY the procedure laid down in the Bible so that the judgment is according to God's righteous standards and not to follow the worldly thinking as you would have love it to be!

ACHORLADEY: The case in 1 Corinthians 5: who were the JUDGES? A. 3 ELDERS who are the selected as JUDICIAL COMMITTES. B. the CONGREGATION as a whole.


You believe it is the ELDERS, the BIBLE says otherwise............CONTINUE! The whole process is warped from the foundation already.

What STANDARDS? can there be one greater than that in the BIBLE?........oh the one coded "sk"abi na "ks" among the publications of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. Standards that are subjected to latest wordly practices and trends.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 5:22pm On Dec 15, 2018
{Matthew 19:21-22} Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother who sins against me? Up to seven times?” Jesus answered, “I tell you, not just seven times, but seventy-seven times!
Before you even believe the above, do you sin? how many times have you sinned with an unforgiving heart against another, how many families have you sinned against and destroyed-after they had asked you for their forgiveness-and you refused, how many people have you cast out of the Watchtower, 'how many people have you wrongly accused because of your own insecurity?
How many of us have you accused-because we refuse to take you seriously! We were wrongly justified, cast out from among you, because Christ said: we will be persecuted.
How many times have you set up innocent people and sinned against their free will-how many elders have you told about certain people you may not like? How many elders sin against innocent Children? How many daughters, sons, fathers mothers, do you lust over, and you never had it in your heart to ask the Lord to forgive you? And yet you haven't been removed?
TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm Matthew 12:43-45
When Paul wrote to the CHRISTIAN congregation in Corinth to REMOVE the unrepentant sinner from among them, it's like he mentioned something about JUDGE.
So who are to take charge of the instructions that Apostle gave? Well Jehovah's Witnesses organization believes that it is the appointed elders in each congregation! They just need to follow STRICTLY the procedure laid down in the Bible so that the judgment is according to God's righteous standards and not to follow the worldly thinking as you would have love it to be! wink wink wink
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Crysthaniel(m): 5:53pm On Dec 15, 2018
Brocab
All these things you mentioned are bad in Jehovah's sight.. And of course we Jehovah's witnesses are obligated to abstain from them.. We take to the heart the account of Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
So if any one is doing bad thing be it an elder to anybody and he did not open up his sins, Jehovah is watching..
And Jehovah's witnesses dont disfellowship sinners,
Its only UNREPENTANT sinners that has to be removed.. 1Corinthian5:12-13
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brodalokie: 6:06pm On Dec 15, 2018
Crysthaniel:
Brocab
All these things you mentioned are bad in Jehovah's sight.. And of course we Jehovah's witnesses are obligated to abstain from them.. We take to the heart the account of Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
So if any one is doing bad thing be it an elder to anybody and he did not open up his sins, Jehovah is watching..

Elders that are state politicians or strictly Bible oriented? If the former then who is jehovah?
I just want to see the relationship between church and state
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Crysthaniel(m): 6:19pm On Dec 15, 2018
brodalokie:


Elders that are state politicians or strictly Bible oriented? If the former then who is jehovah?
I just want to see the relationship between church and state
You know the answer to what you ask nah..
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Crysthaniel(m): 6:19pm On Dec 15, 2018
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 6:44pm On Dec 15, 2018
OneJ:


Your education is useless to U & your society. Confirmed OLODO & SERIAL LIAR on Naira land.

That's partly why your sawdust brain (coupled with your feeding on gospel junk from your pastorpreneurs) can't grasp the truth that JWs have been sharing on this thread.
JWs are probably the best educated group of people on planet earth.
Jehovah & His son, Jesus Christ teaches us to benefit ourselves with everlasting life in view.


grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin..... bunch of idiots.... grin cheesy cheesy grin cheesy.... uneducated stupid pagans ..... grin cheesy grin..how will you understand the bible when you are so dumb like an ostrich.. grin grin cheesy
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Crysthaniel(m): 6:52pm On Dec 15, 2018
zodiakzax:



grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin..... bunch of idiots.... grin cheesy cheesy grin cheesy.... uneducated stupid pagans ..... grin cheesy grin..how will you understand the bible when you are so dumb like an ostrich.. grin grin cheesy
Make we take am easy naah.. No body dumb
Ostrich sef no dumb naah..
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 7:09pm On Dec 15, 2018
Crysthaniel:

You know the answer to what you ask nah..
All of them are just hiding behind a finger but it's not covering them nor their deceptive spirits.
Their intentions is to kill true faith and make everyone fugitives like themselves. grin grin
Just like the Pharisees, they stay clear as if they're the only group worshipping Jehovah but they'll never confront neither Sadusees,Scribes or other Rabbis. Wherever they sight Christians, they want that one to drop his/her faith, for which group? Confused critics can't present a specific group,rather they'll be agitating that a Christian should keep reading the Hebrew scriptures (Old Testament) cheesy cheesy
OK you've all read and reread the scriptures countless times, quoting the same scriptures and your applications aren't the same, so which of you is applying it rightly? Critics can't give a definite answer but let them smell a Christian is around, that's when their bones will regain strength to condemn that ONE and ONLY GROUP! grin grin
Even if someone is the most stupid person on earth, he should be able to smell the envy and jealousy in those whose ideas aren't in agreement but formed alliance,profusely and vehemently condemning just one person simply because his/her idea also isn't in agreement with any of them. grin grin
Surely it's no need giving your PEARLS to swine or what is holy(pure) to dogs! Matthew 7:6
So it's better to torment them with silence,not giving them the chance to cool their "spiritual" thirst. Luke 16:24
If they feel like working for Jesus as assurance of their Christian performance,let them go out uninvited to face strangers, preach and teach others what they think they know! 2Corinthians 11:12 wink wink

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 7:22pm On Dec 15, 2018
Crysthaniel:

Make we take am easy naah.. No body dumb
Ostrich sef no dumb naah..
That's the person telling someone else "come and worship the Lord". In fact the most stupid idiot can easily understand the type of lord this kind of person with such FINE manners could be referring to. 1Corinthians 8:5 wink wink

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Hairyrapunzel: 7:28pm On Dec 15, 2018
Crysthaniel:

Make we take am easy naah.. No body dumb
Ostrich sef no dumb naah..

Your fellow witness has been cursing people yet you didn't caution him.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by OneJ: 8:26pm On Dec 15, 2018
Hairyrapunzel:

Shame did not even allow quote the preceding verse john 10:33. 33
We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”. So that you don't enter the Jews their mind. Lol

Why didn't you quote verse 33? You didn't because in that verse the Jews gave the reason for stoning Jesus Christ



Arapunzel IBERIBEISM & SERIAL LIAR,


"thou being a. man maketh thyself God", I quoted in my previous post, na which Bible verse be that ? , Arapunzel IBERIBEISM...

Jesus disagreed with that v33 false allegation .
MR LIE LIE, "Jesus answered them,....
why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said 'I am God's son' ?"
John 10:34-36.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 8:46pm On Dec 15, 2018
Each time a Witness comments, their bones are rejuvenated to counteract whatever he/she says, so it's better to be silent and allow them to be happy while they keep sending "warm greetings" to one another, at least to give critics the chance of building spiritual families on social media,since they can't have loving,caring,visible spiritual brothers and sisters ! wink wink wink
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by OneJ: 8:47pm On Dec 15, 2018
brodalokie:


Who was His Father between God the Father and God the Holy Spirit?

Matthew 1:18 - Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise : When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with CHILD of the Holy Ghost.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.



I have shown U proof (https://biblehub.org/1_Timothy/3-16.htm) from the Greek manuscript that "God was manifest in the flesh" is a Fraud inserted into the Bible in 1 Tim 3:16 ( KJV).

By making references to it & justifying that FALSE insertion in 1 Tim 3:16(KJV) , "brodalokie" U seem to have chosen to close your heart to the truth.
Pls , let's discontinue this discussion..
Shalom.

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