oyinda.:

why don't you?

should we eat shit because animals do it too?  

or maybe we should lick our asses

is an adult having sex with a child a natural form of pleasure?

the ones that have dedicated their whole professional lives to finding out if gay genes exist.  suddenly we have this person here telling us it does.  to them she is a lifesaver.  with that proof handy, this topic would be owned!

C2H5OH:

is an adult having sex with a child a natural form of pleasure?
the ones that have dedicated their whole professional lives to finding out if gay genes exist.  suddenly we have this person here telling us it does.  to them she is a lifesaver.  with that proof handy, this topic would be owned!

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is an adult having sex with a child a natural form of pleasure?
the ones that have dedicated their whole professional lives to finding out if gay genes exist.  suddenly we have this person here telling us it does.  to them she is a lifesaver.  with that proof handy, this topic would be owned!

oyinda.:

there's really no way to prove that a baby will grow up gay.
just as you can't prove that a baby will grow up straight (or am I wrong?)
may be eventually, there will be a possibility that it can be scientifically proven.

no it doesn't have to do with one's environment and how one is nurtured.   How else would you explain the presence of gay people in extremely homophobic societies (ie places in Jamaica and nigeria where gay ppl are burned alive)?

This is true in general and it explains why homosexuality is not accepted in many parts of the world.
one can also make the argument for the poor treatment of disabled and diseased ppl

but people are people no matter your argument on how these people don't contribute to making the world a "better" place. esp. if their condition is beyond their control

busygirl:

I'm not gonna argue with you. You can choose to believe in whatever. it's quite obvious you know nothing about what's going on in research, It has been confirmed by scientific experts, so this is not just my theory. This is what i have been learning at school and i have proof concerning this concerning issue as well.

michelin89:

What has pedophilia got to do with homosexuality? Hate it as much as you want but don't come up with ignorant comparisons to back up your claims.

How can you possibly compare the act between two consenting adults to that of an adult violating and abusing a child?

skfa1:

You still asking me question?

C2H5OH:

there's really no proof because these are indeterminable decisions that people make later on in their lives.   you can't prove that a baby will grow up to rape people, or become a murderer, etc . . . unless of course you have found some rare cases that i don't know of  

copycatting western practices? who knows ehn

oh you are making the bold statement that they are diseased people.  is that why you are comparing them with such?i wouldn't say they don't contribute to making the world a better place. i don't deny them as people.  i just refuse to accept that they are born gay until you show me your socks

C2H5OH:

there's really no proof because these are indeterminable decisions that people make later on in their lives. you can't prove that a baby will grow up to rape people, or become a murderer, etc . . . unless of course you have found some rare cases that i don't know of
copycatting western practices? who knows ehn
oh you are making the bold statement that they are diseased people. is that why you are comparing them with such?i wouldn't say they don't contribute to making the world a better place. i don't deny them as people. i just refuse to accept that they are born gay until you show me your socks

busygirl:

Maybe you should have read my first post clearly before making conclusions. Just take a chill pill and digest this article .

Theory One
What is the nature concept?
In relation to homosexuality, the nature concept explores the possibility of a specific gene or combination of genes present at the time of birth that genetically predispose people to homosexuality. In other words, some people are born gay.

What if people are born gay?
Gay advocates say proving there is a gay gene will provide "wider social acceptance and better protection against discrimination," as Neil Swidey writes in his article, "What Makes People Gay?" Proving that being gay is not a choice means that discrimination against gays becomes a matter of civil rights.

Opinions:

"You can't 'make' someone gay no more than you can 'make' someone straight. Of course environmental factors affect our sexuality. You just can't generalize these types of things. Ultimately what you end up doing is trying to figure out how to stop it-- like it's a disease or something--instead of trying to help people ACCEPT themselves for who they are and help nurture them into healthy relationships."

Theory Two


What is the nurture concept?
We're all influenced by our environment, but to what extent? The nurture concept of homosexuality argues that social, parental and environmental variables influence a person's homosexuality. A nurtured gay person is one that is "made" gay.

What if people are made gay?
For some time, the notion of an overbearing mother or an absent father or even sexual abuse were thought to be catalyst of future gay people. If the root of homosexuality does not lie within DNA, then the nurture concept implies people have a choice whether to be gay or not be gay. Many ex-gay reparative therapy groups believe that homosexuality can be reversed or "repaired". Some religious organizations also believe that the concept of Adam and Eve (or one man, one woman), provides an absolute explanation that homosexuality is unnatural.

Opinions:

"Might any of these factors (in the life of someone male) contribute towards giving him a gay disposition, or at least make him more inclined to seek the love of men? An alcoholic parent, mother or father; A cold parent, mother or father; Having been in a boys boarding school since about 12/13."



Resolution
Can the origin of same gender loving feelings be absolute? Does it lay within the complexities of the beginning of man or the development of society?

If homosexuality is indeed a product of a special genome (I dare not say a flawed one), then will that lead to predetermination by expecting parents at the time the baby's sex is revealed? I envision some parents being excited to hear the sexual makeup of their fetus while others seek to "repair" the gay gene. Lawmakers would be obligated to protect gay people, just as any other group of individuals with a predetermined genetic makeup. The religious implications would be widespread and increase the growing list of religious organizations that welcome gay members.

The concept of a homemade gay person cannot be ignored either. Is there a consistent pattern between a person's parental or environmental influences and their sexuality? Does the explanation of homosexuality lie within Paul Ewald's theory that homosexuality is a virus or the reparative therapy model that a traumatic life situation planted the seed of choice? Some debate that homosexuality is not deserving of natural rights since it has not been proven that being gay is indeed the same as any other born characteristic.

Or, is it possible that being gay is a combination of both nature and nurture? Imagine a person that is born gay, but their same gender feelings are either perpetuated or (not perpetuated) by their environment. If this were indeed the case, homosexuality would only be an issue of if or when one comes out of the closet.

Either scenario, researchers will continue to hunt for the origin of homosexuality. Many avenues have been explored, from isolating DNA to observing gay animals, but as of yet, no one absolute explanation of homosexuality has been found. And even if it were, would society accept it?

tsk tsk hun
why are you copy pasting useless junk about gay animals to me? if i wanted to seek your expertise on nature vs. nurture i would have asked for it. it seems you can't follow directions. direct me to the gay gene you found. that's all i want.

why do you lump homos with rapists and pedophiles?

is this some smart ass way to villify them

mccloud224:

You know, a few years ago, an experiment was carried out to experiment homosexuality in animals.Lab mice were used.One male mice was sprayed with female hormones and next thing you know, another male "mated" with it.At the end of the experiment,the two "culprits" were re-introduced back to the population of 20 other lab mice who in turn bit and ripped them to shreds.What does this tell you?EVEN ANIMALS DON'T DO IT.Insects know better than this.Speaking from a religious point of view, this is one of the major reasons Sodom and Gomorrah got destroyed.What is wrong with we humans?

oyinda.:

lol nvm

you make it seem so simple
one doesn't just wake up one day and decide to like girls or boys.  
gay tendencies can manifest themselves from childhood and can start anywhere from a male child preferring his sister's play toys to his own or wanting to have nail polish and wear dresses etc. The way a child sees the world might not conform to the way society wants him or her to see things. Sometimes, it is something a child can grow out of sometimes, they grow up not fitting into the gender group their physical appearance predetermined them to fit into.

yea you can't prove that one day a baby will grow up to rape people or become a billionaire or a president or a armed robber. I agree with u there.

I think that it is very ignorant to claim that homosexuality "started" in the west.  pls rephrase yourself
but of course the terms "gay" and "lesbian" are western. The overemphasis on sexuality of homosexuals is also very western in my opinion.
In other countries, they might be worried that their son is behaving like a girl (or out of the norm) whereas over here, the main concern is whether he is having butt sex.
This of course is carrying over to other societies that will always emulate the west. lol


They are not diseased ppl.
you said that being gay goes against mother nature's plans for procreation.
If we were to follow that argument of procreation, we would not only discriminate against homosexuals, we will also discriminate against disabled people, ugly people, oh wait we already do  

C2H5OH: