lolaed:


Pharmacists forming a union with these other people irks me. they have thrown their profession to the dogs. and no, it is completely absurd for a ward orderly to want the same salary level as a Doctor and for pharmacists and lab workers to join in such ridiculous agitations.

These people are only trying to sabotage tthe Federal Government and should be dealt with accordingly.

I don't know why ppl complicate stuff. There's a stipulated salary for each profession and every right thinking person should be aware of this before embarking on such career path. If you think nurses salary is inadequate compared to your passion to be a nurse and would prefer the salary of a doctor please by all means go to medical school and be ready to endure all the stress of the profession. There's no high paying job that is easy. The best paid are usually the most difficult and vice versa

Tbamo:

I'm a doctor and when I was working in the country there were several johesu strikes and none I repeat none paralysed the work in the hospitals. the house officers were given new responsibilities and even residents from pathology took over the blood bank and things were never better organised so don't kid ur selves. Only doctors can shut down hospitals!

Self deceit.

Who will prepare your salaries and allowances ? Who will collect payment for the services you render? Hum, Mr Only-doctors-can-shut-hospitals??

TheArchangel:
Now I have to tell you to shut the Bleep up. What ignorant nonsense.
You keep on extending your training after failing your exams. How many of your peeps were able to pass part two at a sitting?

Below is the residency years of training not including the fellowships which is another added years. We are talking about a well structured programs not yours that is fraught with lots of inconsistencies and irregularities.

I strongly suspect a resident doctor jilted u and broke ur heart for u to go this personal......
Pele.....but the truth is a lot of resident doctors and nurses get married every week, urs just didn't work out.
Don't be too bitter and stop hating resident doctors.

What u posted corroborated what I wrote.
In the us, residency training is 3-4 yrs, after that u become an attending physician also known as a specialist.
After this, the attending may wish to proceed for his fellowship by going for sub-specialty training.
Completion of this sub-specialty training makes u a fellow in the us.
Now in Nigeria, we regard our consultants as fellows because they completed a residency program with the medical colleges that awarded them a fellowship certificate.
The 6 years residency training in Nigeria comprises 3 yrs of specialty training and another 3 yrs of sub-specialty.
Thus attending and senior registrar are the same thing.

artboll:

Madam,I think you should read more about health sector workers and the different factors at play. Doctors begin at Level 9,staff nurses at 7 and B.Sc Nursing at 8. I have an aunt who earns as much as a resident while she's a nursing officer at a federal teaching hospital,and she hasn't spent 10 yrs. And I think you should ask your colleagues the real reason Johesu is going on strike cos it seems you don't know,and pls don't get carried away by their press statement,you should know better.

No, u shld do ur research well. All other health professionals excluding Drs and nurses start at 9. Pls what does CONMESS 2 translate to in normal grade lvls and I think work is underway to make it CONMESS 3 post NYSC. And d story abt ur aunt is another big lie. A nursing officer doesn't even earn anywhere close to a reg.

No, u dnt knw the reasons bt u're ready to criticize all d same.

SIRTee15:


I strongly suspect a resident doctor jilted u and broke ur heart for u to go this personal......
Pele.....but the truth is a lot of resident doctors and nurses get married every week, urs just didn't work out.
Don't be too bitter and stop hating resident doctors.

What u posted corroborated what I wrote.
In the us, residency training is 3-4 yrs, after that u become an attending physician also known as a specialist.
After this, the attending may wish to proceed for his fellowship by going for sub-specialty training.
Completion of this sub-specialty training makes u a fellow in the us.
Now in Nigeria, we regard our consultants as fellows because they completed a fellowship program with the medical colleges that awarded the certificates.
The 6 years residency training in Nigeria comprises 3 yrs of specialty training and another 3 yrs of sub-specialty.
Thus attending and senior registrar are the same thing.

Talk abt petty and u had to bring in jilting and marriage? Na wa for u o.

ColeworldMD:
I don't know why ppl complicate stuff. There's a stipulated salary for each profession and every right thinking person should be aware of this before embarking on such career path. If you think nurses salary is inadequate compared to your passion to be a nurse and would prefer the salary of a doctor please by all means go to medical school and be ready to endure all the stress of the profession. There's no high paying job that is easy. The best paid are usually the most difficult and vice versa

Same bullshit we always hear, so they av no right to fight for better pay? The want for better renumeration by other health workers translates to competing and wanting to be Drs, yet Drs will always cry abt being underpaid and fight for better remuneration bt others shld just take it as it is since they knew b4 getting in.

SIRTee15:


Resident doctors and consultants in laboratory medicine- haematologists, chemical pathologists, clinical microbiologist, and histopathologists.

There's sth I'd like to share here but the image ain't uploading. Now it has uploaded so read that National Industrial Court judgment weeks back. If any of the "Laboratory doctors" want to do the work of a medical laboratory scientist dey have to go back to school and enrol as a MLS student. Fair judgment I must say

nelszx:


There's sth I'd like to share here but the image ain't uploading. Now it has uploaded so read that National Industrial Court judgment weeks back. If any of the "Laboratory doctors" want to do the work of a medical laboratory scientist dey have to go back to school and enrol as a MLS student. Fair judgment I must say

Residency in Laboratory medicine has been in existence before any industrial court ruling.
WACP n NPMCN are established by law.
An ignorant judge cannot repeal that.
Besides nobody wants to do your job, all we are saying is when on strike don't lock up the laboratory. It's not ur personal property.
U guys are not the only ones using the laboratory, we have the laboratory technicians too, u know.
Allow those who wants to work to function.

SIRTee15:

Residency in Laboratory medicine has been in existence before any industrial court ruling.
WACP n NPMCN are established by law.
An ignorant judge cannot repeal that.
Besides nobody wants to do your job, all we are saying is when on strike don't lock up the laboratory. It's not ur personal pr operty.
U guys are not the only ones using the laboratory, we have the laboratory technicians too, u know.
Allow those who wants to work to function.

The technician and assistants are under the supervision of a medical laboratory scientist not a doctor so their practice is regulated by the MLSCN Act not MDCN

During strike the lab is locked and the keys are submitted to the HCS or CMD and no staff takes the key home

Besides the MDP Act presented to the judges contained all u mentioned cos MDCN was part of the case. The court didn't annul ur WACP whatever it just gave a clear distinction about both professionals dovetailed duties

SIRTee15:


I strongly suspect a resident doctor jilted u and broke ur heart for u to go this personal......
Pele.....but the truth is a lot of resident doctors and nurses get married every week, urs just didn't work out.
Don't be too bitter and stop hating resident doctors.

What u posted corroborated what I wrote.
In the us, residency training is 3-4 yrs, after that u become an attending physician also known as a specialist.
After this, the attending may wish to proceed for his fellowship by going for sub-specialty training.
Completion of this sub-specialty training makes u a fellow in the us.
Now in Nigeria, we regard our consultants as fellows because they completed a fellowship program with the medical colleges that awarded the certificates.
The 6 years residency training in Nigeria comprises 3 yrs of specialty training and another 3 yrs of sub-specialty.
Thus attending and senior registrar are the same thing.

I will ignore your first paragraph because it has nothing to do with the subject of discourse.

Your writeup lacks the knowledge of the similarities between US residency system and Nigerian residency.
Interns are equivalent to HOs.
Pgy-1 to Pgy-7 are residents depending on the year of the specialty comparable to Nigerians Reg and senior reg.
Attending -----consultants

Fellows...... Name your pick.

How can an attending physician which is equivalent to a consultant still be comparable to a senior registrar.??

3 years of specialist training and 3 years of subspecialty training....huh, ....please pray tell!!!, how can family medicine and neurosurgical residency in Nigeria be of the same length of years coupled with the " supposed" subspecialty added to it.
The fellows in US system undergoes additional subspecialty training after their residency as can be seen from the screenshots below.
The bulleted captions are specialties while underneath are the subspecialties.

nelszx:


Please which lab are you talking about? Who are the personnel in the supposed lab? Except u r talking of a lab that I don't know of oo. But as far as I'm concerned even the CMD cannot open the lab during strike. Let alone fill the place with which stupid lab doctors. Come try am for FMC and see if you won't be lynched. Lab doctors my foot no such thing as that. The Laboratory is now solely for Medical Laboratory Scientist.
No annoy me this night oo

Don't mind the bloody, hypocritical and unconvincing liars.

HaneefahRN:


No, u shld do ur research well. All other health professionals excluding Drs and nurses start at 9. Pls what does CONMESS 2 translate to in normal grade lvls and I think work is underway to make it CONMESS 3 post NYSC. And d story abt ur aunt is another big lie. A nursing officer doesn't even earn anywhere close to a reg.

No, u dnt knw the reasons bt u're ready to criticize all d same.

We have accountants that oversee the preparation of all health workers salaries including doctor's salaries. Bloody liars. They aren't noble at all ! They aren't noble at all !!

TheArchangel:
I will ignore your first paragraph because it has nothing to do with the subject of discourse.

Your writeup lacks the knowledge of the similarities between US residency system and Nigerian residency.
Interns are equivalent to HOs.
Pgy-1 to Pgy-7 are residents depending on the year of the specialty comparable to Nigerians Reg and senior reg.
Attending -----consultants

Fellows...... Name your pick.

How can an attending physician which is equivalent to a consultant still be comparable to a senior registrar.??

3 years of specialist training and 3 years of subspecialty training....huh, ....please pray tell!!!, how can family medicine and neurosurgical residency in Nigeria be of the same length of years coupled with the " supposed" subspecialty added to it.
The fellows in US system undergoes additional subspecialty training after their residency as can be seen from the screenshots below.
The bulleted captions are specialties while underneath are the subspecialties.

Just drop it, u are threading in unfamiliar territory and u re simply moving in circles.
Even ur new info supports my assertion.
Your problem is u re ignorant of residency training in nigeria and u re not willing to learn.
Now look at what u posted, add up the duration of both specialty (residency) n sub-specialty (fellowship) for each training program, what u get is 6-7 yrs for each.
That's exactly the number of yrs to complete residency training and receive ur fellowship in Nigeria.
According to ur report, a doctor who wants to be a cardiologist in the us will complete 3 yrs residency training in internal medicine, become an attending and then proceed for another 3 yrs sub-specialty training in cardiology.
A doctor in Nigeria who wants to be a cardiologist will train as a jnr registrar in internal medicine for 3 yrs n then spend an extra 3 yrs as a senior registrar training as a cardiologist.
They both spent 6 yrs to become a cardiologist n receive their fellowship award.
The 3 yrs the us doctor was working as an attending, the naija doc was working as a snr registrar.
Isn't it obvious both career cadres are equivalent.
I told u earlier that a WACP snr registrar can be employed as a specialist in district hospitals.
Pls, stop behaving like typical johesu people......
Learn to bow to superior argument.
Neither registrar nor snr registrar are students

SIRTee15:


Just drop it, u are threading in unfamiliar territory and u re simply moving in circles.
Even ur new info supports my assertion.
Your problem is u re ignorant of residency training in nigeria and u re not willing to learn.
Now look at what u posted, add up the duration of both specialty (residency) n sub-specialty (fellowship) for each training program, what u get is 6-7 yrs for each.
That's exactly the number of yrs to complete residency training and receive ur fellowship in Nigeria.
According to ur report, a doctor who wants to be a cardiologist in the us will complete 3 yrs residency training in internal medicine, become an attending and then proceed for another 3 yrs sub-specialty training in cardiology.
A doctor in Nigeria who wants to be a cardiologist will train as a jnr registrar in internal medicine for 3 yrs n then spend an extra 3 yrs as a senior registrar training as a cardiologist.
They both spent 6 yrs to become a cardiologist n receive their fellowship award.
The 3 yrs the us doctor was working as an attending, the naija doc was working as a snr registrar.
Isn't it obvious both career cadres are equivalent.
I told u earlier that a WACP snr registrar can be employed as a specialist in district hospitals.
Pls, stop behaving like typical johesu people......
Learn to bow to superior argument.
Neither registrar nor snr registrar are students

At ur last sentence, they are students cos they are undergoing training bt they are atypical students since they are already licensed to practice medicine and practice in d course of learning

SIRTee15:


Just drop it, u are threading in unfamiliar territory and u re simply moving in circles.
Even ur new info supports my assertion.
Your problem is u re ignorant of residency training in nigeria and u re not willing to learn.
Now look at what u posted, add up the duration of both specialty (residency) n sub-specialty (fellowship) for each training program, what u get is 6-7 yrs for each.
That's exactly the number of yrs to complete residency training and receive ur fellowship in Nigeria.
According to ur report, a doctor who wants to be a cardiologist in the us will complete 3 yrs residency training in internal medicine, become an attending and then proceed for another 3 yrs sub-specialty training in cardiology.
A doctor in Nigeria who wants to be a cardiologist will train as a jnr registrar in internal medicine for 3 yrs n then spend an extra 3 yrs as a senior registrar training as a cardiologist.
They both spent 6 yrs to become a cardiologist n receive their fellowship award.
The 3 yrs the us doctor was working as an attending, the naija doc was working as a snr registrar.
Isn't it obvious both career cadres are equivalent.
I told u earlier that a WACP snr registrar can be employed as a specialist in district hospitals.
Pls, stop behaving like typical johesu people......
Learn to bow to superior argument.
Neither registrar nor snr registrar are students

You really have no idea what subspecialty means. Cardiology is a specialty not subspecialty.
Interventional cardiology is, advanced heart failure and transplant is etc.
Dermatopathology is under dermatology.
Child neurology and clinical neurophysiology etc are under neurology.
Vascular and interventional radiology under radiologic-diagnostic.



Do not use your unstructured residency training as facts even your fellows And residents are calling for total review of your residency training.

Your subtle insults are well noted....

TheArchangel:
You really have no idea what subspecialty means. Cardiology is a specialty not subspecialty.
Interventional cardiology is, advanced heart failure and transplant is etc.
Dermatopathology is under dermatology.
Child neurology and clinical neurophysiology etc are under neurology.
Vascular and interventional radiology under radiologic-diagnostic.



Do not use your unstructured residency training as facts even your fellows And residents are calling for total review of your residency training.

Your subtle insults are well noted....

U are just clutching at straws......
Call your nurse colleagues in the us....
They will tell u internal medicine is a specialty while cardiology is a sub-specialty.
I ve had enough of this.......
I won't honor with a reply again.

HaneefahRN:


Same bullshit we always hear, so they av no right to fight for better pay? The want for better renumeration by other health workers translates to competing and wanting to be Drs, yet Drs will always cry abt being underpaid and fight for better remuneration bt others shld just take it as it is since they knew b4 getting in.

dnt come here with ur low IQ & quote me again. They're agitating for equal pay with doctors. It's totally different. Go figure

ColeworldMD:
dnt come here with ur low IQ & quote me again. They're agitating for equal pay with doctors. It's totally different. Go figure

Dont be misinformed and arrogant.. Provide links to your claim or take several sits.

ColeworldMD:
dnt come here with ur low IQ & quote me again. They're agitating for equal pay with doctors. It's totally different. Go figure

Thank u, u might av low IQ but I certainly don't. And stop being a liar and hypocrite, those pple never asked for equal pay wt Drs, they asked for better pay and skipping of a grade wch has been won in a Court but nt implemented. Why u guys take it personal like u're d ones tht pays their salaries is what I dnt understand.
Now u go figure. Av a nice day

dicefrost:


There is nothing like 'encroaching' As long as you are trained for what you do. Nigeria doesn't have as much first line health care givers as it should. If we have Nurse practitioners, prescribing and treating patients or pharmacists prescribing in line with an expanded scope of knowledge and practice, it will be of great advantage to everybody. It happens in uk, canada and us. Our doctors here value their pride more than the patients.

Two thumbs up

artboll:

Madam,I think you should read more about health sector workers and the different factors at play. Doctors begin at Level 9,staff nurses at 7 and B.Sc Nursing at 8. I have an aunt who earns as much as a resident while she's a nursing officer at a federal teaching hospital,and she hasn't spent 10 yrs. And I think you should ask your colleagues the real reason Johesu is going on strike cos it seems you don't know,and pls don't get carried away by their press statement,you should know better.

No Dr starts from 9.it's GL 10

Ebimablog:
What a stupid analogy ,you dont own the Hospitals ,so u cant run it like a private Man will do

All health workers will soon know what the government is capable of doing in these times of downturn economy and scarcity of jobs!

Drdonzeez:
No Dr starts from 9.it's GL 10

Ok,thought CONMESS 1 equated with GL 9, and that 10 was skipped.anyway,thanks for the info

razortruth:
I am not a doctor nor a nurse but i know by experience that a patient's life is safer in the hands and care of nurses than all those lazy and quack doctors in all the teaching hospitals in nigeria. A lot of people have died and still dying because of carelessness of these doctors who cant even practice abroad because their licences will be seized and litigation by patients will send them to jail. Local champions

Frustrated souls aren't difficult to identify...well in they are quack doctors in ALL the teaching hospital you know,they are nt in the teaching hospitals that I know(this however doesn't mean all the doctors there are above board).
They are thousands of Nigerian doctors practising in the UK,canada,Australia,USA,New Zealand,Ukraine,Brazil,Saudi Arabia and South Africa.
All the leading hospitals in the World(John Hopkins,MGH,Great Ormond Street CH,Hammersmith,King Fahd,Apollo) have Nigerian doctors as part of their Medical staff.

razortruth:
I am not a doctor nor a nurse but i know by experience that a patient's life is safer in the hands and care of nurses than all those lazy and quack doctors in all the teaching hospitals in nigeria. A lot of people have died and still dying because of carelessness of these doctors who cant even practice abroad because their licences will be seized and litigation by patients will send them to jail. Local champions

When you know nothing about something just STFU!!!

Lagusta:


When you know nothing about something just STFU!!!

Oga please tell him, people just come on Nairaland and show ignorance