TheArchangel:
Who are the paramedics? Nurses are not paramedics.
Check the meaning of paramedics, please.

I didnt say nurses are paramedics

My reply was to clarify the reason why health profesesionals cannot be paid the same wages regardless of whether they work the same hours or not.

dokiOloye:
Why not say what has been exaggerated? Anyway,no time for JOHESU ppl now. Peace.

Na you be presido or health minister?

TheArchangel:
yea right. I've seen them....working....hahaha....working indeed...always.
Are you aware that your chain of commands differs from others and how they do things.? Do you go about monitoring others to check whether they are always on ground or not? You are observant of your own turf and have no right in telling me about mine.
You and I knows fully well that your consultants are barely around to do calls. Its rare to see a Nigerian consultant in the hospital at night, the bucks stop with the senior Reg.

Stop denying a common knowledge.

hahaha. Now I can confirm re really the blind one. Did you not read d part I stated that consultants only come over when their attention is required. Y are you so blinded by prejudice? You brought up d issue claiming drs are hardly ever around during calls. I never brought up any issue about other paramedics not being around during calls so stop twisting issues and make your point.

HaneefahRN:


Even when it isn't related to the discourse?

well, I was referring to a comment someone made and not the main topic of discourse. The person its meant for got d message. U don't have to understand.

francizy:



Hehehehehe, on a very good day, if all powder metallurgy firms, polymer, ceramic, composite, biotechnology, nanotechnology, steel, aluminium, mining, mineral processing , etc industries, world over should fold up, you'll in the health sector are in deep shiiit.. That's just my field alone oh, I never even add electrical, electronics, computer, mechanical, engineers oh...

So better respect us before I tear you Okija slap!

On a very good day, me know say na Lab scientists them go dey ginger this whole thing pass, as in na them go carry the matter for head like agege bread. Cuz the kind importance way these people dey attach to themselves pass that of all professions for Nigeria as a whole...

Shebi new testing techniques such as Real-time PCR don comot, soon some of them go begin gnash teeth especially when them no go upgrade...

To be honest I feel for them, but their colleagues here in our hospital are not representing well at all but if paying them more money and skippba level will make them go back to diligent work then they should do it, but I know as well as you do that they will still go back to old habits maybe if one sees me using a new phone he will go on strike saying I'm paid more. make dem pay dem Sha the people dey try especially orderlies and nurses


Baba all your epistles no change the fact say as far as Nigeria is concerned your sector is lagging seriously behind Una mumu true true even if na Ideato slap you wan tear me no wahala you guys are very important sadly this country neglects your efforts

dicefrost:


You should not lie to make a point please. No pharmacist or lab scientist spent 4yrs in the university. Even graduate nurses spend 5yrs+

They spend 5 years sir. I'm not lying to make any point go back and read that post

sarzy:


senseless

"mumu"ism is inscribed on some peoples DNA sha. Hahahaha!

Some people just talking rubbish. Who is asking for Doctor's pay. I don't regret being a radiographer. Truth is apart from those in federal, most doctors earn less than me. Infact I pity most Doctor's especially those in private still collecting 100k monthly after combining 2 jobs. The point of the strike is this; NMA & FG REACHED AN AGREEMENT, JOHESU & FG ALSO REACHED AN AGREEMENT. FG HAS LONG iMPLEMENTED ITS AGREEMENT WITH NMA BUT HAS REFUSED TO IMPLEMENT JOHESU'S. Give me a better definition of bias.

gearcoin:

Please read my post again. I am proud to be one of paramedic , I did call than most of the house officer. Infact , i expose to hazard than most of those doctors . Imaging house officer having a huge allowance compare to their fellow paramedics health team. This is injustice.

Pls can you inform us here what ur responsibilities are during call? don't go about trying trying raise public sentiment with unverified statements.
there is no possibility of you being exposed
to as much risk as the HO who do all th grunt work!

otswag:
"mumu"ism is inscribed on some peoples DNA sha. Hahahaha!

When the comedian bursts into a loud guffaw all by himself; a psychiatrist's attention is most likely needed as a matter of emergency.

sarzy:


When the comedian bursts into a loud guffaw all by himself; a psychiatrist's attention is most likely needed as a matter of emergency.

"takes a bow". You win. Now lemme get back to more intellectual people.

dicefrost:




Lol granted the legal backing, Nurses can do what doctors do too. I know nurses who run hospitals. My uncle for instance, he does c.s in his hospital illegally, and treats better than any doctor i know. So my dear, granted the legal backing, No one is irreplaceable

so because I can repair my computer I'm a computer engineer? your uncle does CS so he can probably repair an hernia and most likely drain a sub dural haematoma Abi?
this is the problem with nairaland we should have an unlike button so idiots like the above will be put in their places on a regular basis!

BREAKiNG NEWS No strike for now. JOHESU has agreed to give FG another 21 days.

otswag:
hahaha. Now I can confirm re really the blind one. Did you not read d part I stated that consultants only come over when their attention is required. Y are you so blinded by prejudice? You brought up d issue claiming drs are hardly ever around during calls. I never brought up any issue about other paramedics not being around during calls so stop twisting issues and make your point.

Blinded by prejudice, hardly!!!! Consultants are the professionals patients are assigned to especially in a teaching hospital, the HOs, reg and senior reg are just their students and lackeys who are supposed to be monitored but are giving a leeway in Nigerian hospital to commit medical blunders.
I am not twisting issues, stating it as it is.

olowodaddy:
Some people just talking rubbish. Who is asking for Doctor's pay. I don't regret being a radiographer. Truth is apart from those in federal, most doctors earn less than me. Infact I pity most Doctor's especially those in private still collecting 100k monthly after combining 2 jobs. The point of the strike is this; NMA & FG REACHED AN AGREEMENT, JOHESU & FG ALSO REACHED AN AGREEMENT. FG HAS LONG iMPLEMENTED ITS AGREEMENT WITH NMA BUT HAS REFUSED TO IMPLEMENT JOHESU'S. Give me a better definition of bias.

it's not bias. if I was FG I would sit down and think which group would affect the polity more if we don't satisfy them!
well the answer is before you! you guys will go on strike and life will continue, when you see that the world is not coming down you will take to illegal actions like locking up important access points in the hospitals and denying access to th keys when these don't work you move on to barbarism by attacking doctors ( abeokuta 2013 June, Uniport sept2014 etc) when this also does not work you will start to intimidate pts u all so claim to love!

Tbamo:

so because I can repair my computer I'm a computer engineer? your uncle does CS so he can probably repair an hernia and most likely drain a sub dural haematoma Abi?
this is the problem with nairaland we should have an unlike button so idiots like the above will be put in their places on a regular basis!

These are baseless assumptions not present in the post you quoted. You are simply interjecting. The post wrote CS and you are interjecting other surgical procedures and making unnecessary inferences not related to the subject of discourse.

TheArchangel:
These are baseless assumptions not present in the post you quoted. You are simply interjecting. The post wrote CS and you are interjecting other surgical procedures and making unnecessary inferences not related to the subject of discourse.

of course I'm interjecting he claimed his uncle could perform CS so he was better than doctors. all I did was to add a few procedures his 'better than doctor' uncle should be able to perform at th very least and you claim I made baseless assumptions. pls tell me why they are baseless don't just use high sounding words to b up ur arguement show the baseless assumptions and counter!
that's constructive!

Tbamo:

it's not bias. if I was FG I would sit down and think which group would affect the polity more if we don't satisfy them!
well the answer is before you! you guys will go on strike and life will continue, when you see that the world is not coming down you will take to illegal actions like locking up important access points in the hospitals and denying access to th keys when these don't work you move on to barbarism by attacking doctors ( abeokuta 2013 June, Uniport sept2014 etc) when this also does not work you will start to intimidate pts u all so claim to love!

This is not dick measuring contest. If so, can you explain why residents in US receives less than registered nurses but they work more than 80 hours in a week?
We are in the new millennium not 2000years ago where barbaric medicine was practiced, this is the era of evidenced based medical practices with diversification of roles. No longer jack of all trades master of none. Medicine no longer revolves around the doctors, patients are now the supreme boss. .

Tbamo:

of course I'm interjecting he claimed his uncle could perform CS so he was better than doctors. all I did was to add a few procedures his 'better than doctor' uncle should be able to perform at th very least and you claim I made baseless assumptions. pls tell me why they are baseless don't just use high sounding words to b up ur arguement show the baseless assumptions and counter!
that's constructive!

The poster never mentioned what you wrote. So it's just like putting words into someones mouth.

Surgery is a skill learnt by looking and learning and regulated by laws.

Subdural hematoma you mentioned.....hmmm...except you are a neurosurgeon I do not see how anybody both doctors and others can do it.

TheArchangel:
This is not dick measuring contest. If so, can you explain why residents in US receives less than registered nurses but they work more than 80 hours in a week?
We are in the new millennium not 2000years ago where barbaric medicine was practiced, this is the era of evidenced based medical practices with diversification of roles. No longer jack of all trades master of none. Medicine no longer revolves around the doctors, patients are now the supreme boss. .

oh now you want a dick measuring contest Pls go through u our same report and check out how much that value changes if only second year residents were measured and then move on to third year and finally check out the extreme change that occurs when they become attendants
the nurses your report quotes for are at the pinnacles of their careers and only get administrative promotions based on years and experience....but oh Lord the sufferings of these times are nothing to be compared with what is revealed in 4 yrs after they finish residency!!!

TheArchangel:
Blinded by prejudice, hardly!!!! Consultants are the professionals patients are assigned to especially in a teaching hospital, the HOs, reg and senior reg are just their students and lackeys who are supposed to be monitored but are giving a leeway in Nigerian hospital to commit medical blunders.
I am not twisting issues, stating it as it is.

hahaha! Its remarkable how u cunningly used d term "students" to describe even the senior regs so as to indirectly beat down the view of their competence in the eyes of the public.. Well, u aren't wrong. Residency is a training program so they really are "trainees" for a specialty. however, the moment ur issued a graduation certificate and a medical license, u have the absolute backing and trust of d govt to see and treat patients as a general practitioner. Yes! House officers included with the guidance of other senior drs. So don't u dare come over here and imply that only consultants have d competence to treat patients. If u expect consultants to sit down in the hospital waiting for patients like they are still house officers, then u have no idea what d word "consultant" really means.

dicefrost:


When it comes to poke nosing, doctors hold the ace.

1.) Other health workers having been skipping gl 10,suddenly doctors began to complain bitterly. They wanted it 2 even if it wasn't in their scheme of service.
2)Mls wanted to establish a post graduate national college, but nma mobilised to the National Assembly to combat it.
3)pharmacist wanted to run a doctotate degree system, but nma vehemently opposed it and fought them, even dragging them to court. You complain that they are only dispensing drugs, but now they want to expand their scope of practice, u r against it. What exactly do you want?
4)JOHESU members wanted to get to the apex of their careers by being directors, as established in their scheme of service. Nma went on strike because of it.
Bottom line is you can take whatever you want, but you have no right to decide what others can or cannot get

how can u expand ur scope of services by encroaching on doctors scope of services.

TheArchangel:
The poster never mentioned what you wrote. So it's just like putting words into someones mouth.

Surgery is a skill learnt by looking and learning and regulated by laws.

Subdural hematoma you mentioned.....hmmm...except you are a neurosurgeon I do not see how anybody both doctors and others can do it.

funny you go the specialist route so you admit his uncle is not a specialist but he has enough surgical skills to perform a CS yet his skills can't repair an hernia, or simply reduce intracranial pressure??
when I argue with my engineer brother on how to repair our generator I do what you are doing I throw about lingo so he will think I know what I'm talking about, but the truth is deep down I know he knows infinitely more than I do if his uncle can perform a CS then he should be able to perform basic surgical procedures in many specialties

Tbamo:

it's not bias. if I was FG I would sit down and think which group would affect the polity more if we don't satisfy them!
well the answer is before you! you guys will go on strike and life will continue, when you see that the world is not coming down you will take to illegal actions like locking up important access points in the hospitals and denying access to th keys when these don't work you move on to barbarism by attacking doctors ( abeokuta 2013 June, Uniport sept2014 etc) when this also does not work you will start to intimidate pts u all so claim to love!

Let's pray JOHESU and FG reach an agreement before march 10, but let's also pray God keeps me, you and our loved ones in good health whether or not an agreement is reached. I don't know you, but I love you enough to not wish you require medical attention in a federal govt owned hospital after march 10 if the government decides to reason like you that one group will affect the polity more

olowodaddy:

Let's pray JOHESU and FG reach an agreement before march 10, but let's also pray God keeps me, you and our loved ones in good health whether or not an agreement is reached. I don't know you, but I love you enough to not wish you require medical attention in a federal govt owned hospital after march 10 if the government decides to reason like you that one group will affect the polity more

I'm a doctor and when I was working in the country there were several johesu strikes and none I repeat none paralysed the work in the hospitals. the house officers were given new responsibilities and even residents from pathology took over the blood bank and things were never better organised so don't kid ur selves. Only doctors can shut down hospitals!

SO NO STRIKE FOR NOW.....

[quote author=Tbamo post=43036975]
I'm a doctor and when I was working in the country there were several johesu strikes and none I repeat none paralysed the work in the hospitals. the house officers were given new responsibilities and even residents from pathology took over the blood bank and things were never better organised so don't kid ur selves. Only doctors can shut down hospitals![/quote
I know you are a doctor, I also know you can do all things and that you are omnipotent. Thank God for you. But I still wish you and your own good health in the event of a Johesu strike.

TheArchangel:
How will you know if not by investigating your employer?[b] Do you investigate your boss to find out his qualifications when you're being interviewed?
[/b]Anyway that's not the bone of contention here. You raised the issue of being pharmacologically and physiologically knowledgeable to administer anesthesia and I am pointing out that anesthetist can be employed for that. So the problems isn't the anesthesia but the skills of the surgeon whether quack or trained.
Nigerian health system is a fraud, barbaric, unregulated and a warzone. It's either you are swallowed whole or in parts, nobody wants the other to live and patients are not left out. Things are not getting better rather they are getting worse, nobody wants to step on toes and woe betide you if you steps on someone's toes. There is no comradeship here and I am sincerely waiting for someone to step on mine

To the italicised, absolutely.

What you think is fact is only so in the environment you're in. Not universally.

I would consider it negligence if a trained medic failed to investigate a private employer if qualified. Even more so in a country with so many quacks. That should be part of professional responsibility.

In developed climes, the medical register is available online. In fact checking your docs qualification is normal.
I even checked the qualification of an O & G who performed an elective cs on a relative. Even in a world class hospital.

He came from a part of the world with reported cases of borrowed medical degrees.

Sohot1:


Foolish and ignorant comment!

Receive healing!

hahahahaha!!!

Tbamo:

oh now you want a disk measuring contest Pls go through u our same report and check out how much that value changes if only second year residents were measured and then move on to third year and finally check out the extreme change that occurs when they become attendants
the nurses your report quotes for are at the pinnacles of their careers and only get administrative promotions based on years and experience....but oh Lord the sufferings of these times are nothing to be compared with what is revealed in 4 yrs after they finish residency!!!

Those are average residents and RN salaries not attendings and specialist nurses salaries.
The salaries for registered nurses are not based on the factors you quoted. Nurse practitioners crosses over to the thousand threshold and is based on varied factors too.

The attending earns their keeps as they work hard for the pay and barely have time which cannot be liken to what's obtainable here. They are paid according to their inputs not based on an established rule as regards to what both NMA and JOHESU are fighting for.

AreaFada2:


To the italicised, absolutely.

What you think is fact is only so in the environment you're in. Not universally.

I would consider it negligence if a trained medic failed to investigate a private employer if qualified. Even more so in a country with so many quacks. That should be part of professional responsibility.

In developed climes, the medical register is available online. In fact checking your docs qualification is normal.
I even checked the qualification of an O & G who performed an elective cs on a relative. Even in a world class hospital.

He came from a part of the world with reported cases of borrowed medical degrees.

Haha... You are funny. I ain't questioning if I want to land the wellpaid job but might resign later when it is laid bare. Professional responsibility.... Bwahaha.

razortruth:
I am not a doctor nor a nurse but i know by experience that a patient's life is safer in the hands and care of nurses than all those lazy and quack doctors in all the teaching hospitals in nigeria. A lot of people have died and still dying because of carelessness of these doctors who cant even practice abroad because their licences will be seized and litigation by patients will send them to jail. Local champions

I smell ignorance couple with illiteracy