Onye Ana eku nwere Ihe ona eme, The Igbo level is rising everyday, I'm very proud of my self to have come from the tribe of Judah, This is the only tribe in Nigeria that have the highest % of Christians, 99% of Igbo choose Christian as their religion and that's why God blessed them with everything, Igbos alone contribute 40% to the Nigerian economy, we have the lowest poverty rate in Nigeria , despite hausas and yerubas being in Government still Igbos rule Nigeria in every area of life, we own properties in every conner of Nigeria, so tell me why you won't be jealous?

asha 2:

For no1 are you aware that clashes between igbo and hausa started way before 1966?Do you know about 1953 riots in kano?

For no2 distrust between the igbo ad yoruba started way back in 1948 when there whare clashes between the youths from the 2 groups.

For no3 which tribe actually trusts each other?

You dey go too far my guy, ask him whether he trusts his paternal uncles so much that he can eat and dine with all of them. Yeah, may be there are  no Yoruba robbers that rob fellow Yorubas after all they trust each other.  Hausas massacred mainly Yorubas in Jos last year and that was because they trust and love each other not to talk about series of bloody fights they have in lagos[ketu OPC vs hausa] every other year over one ram or goat. As a matter of fact, igbos and Yorubas have a cold war between them. Nothing physical as long as I can remember, it's always Yorubas vs hausas and hausas vs igbo. Igbos are the kost peaceful as long as I can remember, after the Biafran war, they have never started any conflict, it's always the hausas that take them by surprise with their machetes over one mohammed issue or another[most of the issues happened outside Nigeria but they mete the consequence on igbos because of their religion]. Won't they do the same to Yorubas had it been Yorubas are unanimously christian?.

All igbos need in Nigeria is a free and fair state where every citizen is free to take care of his business without interference from another trying to force his religion or culture on him. Is that too much to ask?. Igbos never begged others for bread even when they emerged fresh from war and rose to the richest tribe in Nigeria in just 20 years. Why this bad belle?. I still believe the issue is our diferent ideology. hausas are populists and Yorubas are kinda  socialists in culture and nature but igbos are kinda capitalist and their culture thrives on absolute democracy which ensures freedom for mankind but African man no dey like freedom in the first place.

asha 2:

For no1 are you aware that clashes between igbo and hausa started way before 1966?Do you know about 1953 riots in kano?

For no2 distrust between the igbo ad yoruba started way back in 1948 when there whare clashes between the youths from the 2 groups.

For no3 which tribe actually trusts each other?

Yep i know and i agree with your views about the fact that problem runs deeper. The point i am trying to make is that Igbos started the blood letting amongst the tribes. Before that times it was more or less just socio-political clashes and inter-regional rivalry that sometimes resulted in loss of live.

What happened in 1966 completely changed the face of the game, to pure outright bloodletting on a national scale via the use of the military.

nuzo:

Now that we've all known that the whole of nigeria and her tribes hate and distrust the Igbo of which I and most Igbos can never lose sleep over, why shout "one nigeria" when you and other nigeians have come out clear to state that there's nothing like that?
Why not let these hated set of people go? Why was the Biafran war sabotaged?
Why keep somebody you hate and distrust this much around your house?
Why?

As I await your honest answers, I want to thank you for making public your long secret hatred public instead of using the Biafran issue to indirectly insult the Igbos.
Bravo to you.

From today onwards, you have my respect.

You are confusing me with some other people.

I do not hate the igbos otherwise i would not have joked that i could marry one. Remember i willing choose to live amongst Igbos even when i had the choice not to.

I am not against Biafra, what i am against is the victim card the igbos tend to play (which has now been shown to be unfounded cus they started the blood letting themselves in 1966).

I have said countless number of times that Yorubas (including me) do not care if Igbos secede or not, its the corrupt leaders that are against that of which Igbos are also part of the corrupt leaders so stop deceiving urself into thinking that Yorubas are the ones stopping ur considering that Igbos have participating and benefitting from the sharing of the national cake with little or nothing to show for it either in terms of Biafra or in terms of development in Igbo land.

The issue here is that Igbos have started to repeat the same mistakes Biafra war, and 1966 whereby they are seeking to achieve their aim by any means possible without regards to the fact that its not possible to do so considering that no Ethnic group would sit down and watch their own interests trampled upon by Igbos.

I do not seek your respect, hence it is of no consequence to me, people that know me on the religious threads no that i am not one that shies away from saying the truth even if its not in my own personal interest to do so. The truth in this case is that Igbos bleeped up in 1966 end of story. Does that mean Hausa did not mess up later on also , nope. Does that also mean Yorubas did not mess up later on also, nope.

The point of discussion in this case is the event of 1966 how it has come to shape Nigerian history till then.

Aloy.Emeka:

I can see how igbos that reason like you love Yorubas and hausas so much. stop lumping people together my fren, I thought you claim a complete knowledge of the bible and you are God's vicar. Tribalism and haterd no dey the bible wey you dey read?. Yorubas don't trust igbos, igbos don't trust yorbas and so on and so forth. It's not a one way lane and I expect you, being a child of the most high God to find a way to put an end to the madness and not fueling it.

@Aloy.Emeka why are u wasting ur time with melodrama, i am not into melodrama.

The topic here is about the truth of what happened in 1966 and how it has shaped and affected Nigerian history. That singular event bleeped up Nigeria so bad we are still yet to recover from it 43 yrs after.

What worries me is that the same attitude the culiminated in 1966 and disastrouse Biafra war is also starting to take root once again amongst Igbos.

jookco:

Onye Ana eku nwere Ihe ona eme, The Igbo level is rising everyday, I'm very proud of my self to have come from the tribe of Judah, This is the only tribe in Nigeria that have the highest % of Christians, 99% of Igbo choose Christian as their religion and that's why God blessed them with everything, Igbos alone contribute 40% to the Nigerian economy, we have the lowest poverty rate in Nigeria , despite hausas and yerubas being in Government still Igbos rule Nigeria in every area of life, we own properties in every conner of Nigeria, so tell me why you won't be jealous?

Please focus on the topic of this thread and stop the melodrama, u can do your propaganda another time but not now, lets have a reasonable and non melodramatic discussion here.

Why are you people trying to divert this thread, can't u for once admit a wrong doing, I really dislike this kind of attitude amongst Igbos. Why is it that the end always justifies the means as far as igbos are concerned.

I tut people of Niger Delta were responsible for 90%.

Christianity is not a numbers game, even though i would admit and come Igbos for having little or no islamic terrorist amongst their midst.

The truth in this case is that Igbos bleeped up in 1966 end of story. Does that mean Hausa did not mess up later on also , nope. Does that also mean Yorubas did not mess up later on also, nope.

1. Do you know there were Yorubas in that 1966 coup?. should we blame the Yoruba nation for what happened in 1966?

2. What about the massive looting by subsequent leaders like Obasanjo, abacha etc. should igbos cross their legs, do nothing  and cry ebewu because Yorubas and hausas looted the national treasury?. You sound like black americans that cry the effect of slavery is holding them from success in todays America. Few igbos planned a coup, then it's the whole igbos and Yorubas should now hate all igbos because of a queue planned by a select few. Do you know that igbos are the most independent minded tribe in Nigeria?. If you believe that, why blame all because of the few that planned a queue?. Also, blame every igbo man for one igbo armed robber that robbed you in Okitipupa. Kitikpa gbakpoo anya ebe anwa.

Aloy.Emeka:

1. Do you know there were Yorubas in that 1966 coup?. should we blame the Yoruba nation for what happened in 1966?

2. What about the massive looting by subsequent leaders like Obasanjo, abacha etc. should igbos cross their legs, do nothing  and cry ebewu because Yorubas and hausas looted the national treasury?. You sound like black americans that cry the effect of slavery is holding them from success in todays America. Few igbos planned a coup, then it's the whole igbos and Yorubas should now hate all igbos because of a queue planned by a select few. Do you know that igbos are the most independent minded tribe in Nigeria?. If you believe that, why blame all because of the few that planned a queue?. Also, blame every igbo man for one igbo armed robber that robbed you in Okitipupa. Kitikpa gbakpoo anya ebe anwa.

I would ignore the melodramatic part of  your post.

Go back and read your history books again, Igbos specifically spear headed the coup and specifically made sure Yorubas did not get involved in any strategic area of the coup, obviously because the coup mainly targetted Yorubas and Hausas, hence its understandable that the Yorubas that participated had little bearing on the execution of Yorubas and Hausas and the sparing of the Igbos.

No2Atheism:

Please focus on the topic of this thread and stop the melodrama, u can do your propaganda another time but not now, lets have a reasonable and non melodramatic discussion here.

Why are you people trying to divert this thread, can't u for once admit a wrong doing, I really dislike this kind of attitude amongst Igbos. Why is it that the end always justifies the means as far as igbos are concerned.
I tut people of Niger Delta were responsible for 90%.

Christianity is not a numbers game, even though i would admit and come Igbos for having little or no islamic terrorist amongst their midst.

You made this statement before and i ignored it.You are repeating it again.If it is a case "means justifying the end' with igbos i wonder why the racket tha was bursted in new york recently has a dispropotionate no of yorubas in it to th extent that a title "yoruba gang busted?" exists in nigeriavillagesquare .com.
I am also sure people behind "my pikin" epsisode that killed children where igbos.

Why is Aloy Emeka still talking?  Are you not Hotfunmi?  Someone who has identity issues and constantly makes up fake IDs to cause trouble should stay out of sensible debates.  Were oshi

Poster, this is for sure the most illiterate interpretation of history ever. That a group of soldiers mainly of igbo extraction led a coup can never automatically amount to the coup being one hatched by the igbo race to achieve supremacy. If you are familiar with obj's writings you should know that he (obasanjo) arrived in nigeria the day before the coup and spent the nite on nzeogwu's couch. If the target was ethnic domination who wud have been the first to die. Nzeogwu was a marxist to the core who first language was hausa and surrounded himself with them even in the execution of d coup. The issue of ethnicity was used as a rallying point and obviously reading your post has shown how easy it is to mangle the truth. Dude the igbos really dont give a shit about political power. We have the highest number of self made millionaires per thousand hate it or love it. History has shown that d yorubas have nothing against getting into bed with the north so why blame anybody for the mess today,especially when those people have been frozen out of the mainstream since 1970.

asha 2:

You made this statement before and i ignored it.You are repeating it again.If it is a case "means justifying the end' with igbos i wonder why the racket tha was bursted in new york recently has a dispropotionate no of yorubas in it to th extent that a title "yoruba gang busted?" exists in nigeriavillagesquare .com.
I am also sure people behind "my pikin" epsisode that killed children where igbos.

Yes Yorubas have criminals amongst them.
Yes Hausas have criminals amongst them.
Yes Igbos have criminals amongst them.

However i am sorry to say this but its an open secret that in terms of proportionality both within and outside Nigeria and based on my own experience of Igbo culture, it is easy for you and I to understand that Igbos more susceptible to have the character of the end justifying the means and are thus more easily found in cases that are either fraudulent or criminal in nature.

Also in as much as it pains me to say it, Hausas tend to have the least number of criminals amongst the ethinic groups in nigeria, hence why u hardly find them on the news as a result of such cases of criminality.

You need to understand my point that this is not a case of Igbo bashing on my part, this is more of interpreting and revealing the data as provided by 1966 coup.

No2Atheism:

Yes Yorubas have criminals amongst them.
Yes Hausas have criminals amongst them.
Yes Igbos have criminals amongst them.

However i am sorry to say this but its an open secret that in terms of proportionality both within and outside Nigeria and based on my own experience of Igbo culture, it is easy for you and I to understand that Igbos more susceptible to have the character of the end justifying the means and are thus more easily found in cases that are either fraudulent or criminal in nature.

Also in as much as it pains me to say it, Hausas tend to have the least number of criminals amongst the ethinic groups in nigeria, hence why u hardly find them on the news as a result of such cases of criminality.

You need to understand my point that this is not a case of Igbo bashing on my part, this is more of interpreting and revealing the data as provided by 1966 coup.

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And if i say that with my experience of yoruba culture having spent sometime in Omu in Ekiti state that yorubas are backstabbers and treacherous what will you say also using Awolowo action for reneging his agrement with Ojukwu?

@ No2Atheism

Keep deceiving yourself. The Igbos messed up in 1966 just like the MEND is "messing" you up today.
For a craven (cowardly) nation like the yoruba, the worst crime you can commit is to dare; to brave a situation. That's why they will never understand the patriotic Nzeogwu coup. That is why Abiola could not be president. That is why they are busy killing themselves in the west instead of daring to face Hausa to change the system from the center. That is why that coward Obasanjo effectively did all he could to die in office. He was too scared of life without power. To the yoruba, Nigeria can become the worst nation in the world; just don't do anything! Pls shhhhh, tip toe, tip toe, don't try anything e jo!

"The future does not belong to the faint hearted, it belongs to the brave" - Ronald Reagan (after the Challenger tragedy)

asha 2:

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And if i say that with my experience of yoruba culture having spent sometime in Omu in Ekiti state that yorubas are backstabbers and treacherous what will you say also using Awolowo action for reneging his agrement with Ojukwu?

1. Then Awolowo is wrong to have renegaded on an agreement, nevertheless that still does not wish away what happened in 1966.

2. Then you would be justified in making your statment assuming off course your were actually backstab in Omu Ekiti and u did not only add such statements for the melodramatic effects of it.

I have not come here telling you Yorubas are saint, all i have mentioned to you is the following:

- Igbos bleeped up big time in 1966 and Biafra.
- Igbos brought their predicament on themselves.
- Igbos are about to repeat the same mistakes all over again if igbo comments on nairaland are anything to go by.

Onlytruth:

@ No2Atheism

Keep deceiving yourself. The Igbos messed up in 1966 just like the MEND is "messing" you up today.
For a craven (cowardly) nation like the yoruba, the worst crime you can commit is to dare; to brave a situation. That's why they will never understand the patriotic Nzeogwu coup. That is why Abiola could not be president. That is why they are busy killing themselves in the west instead of daring to face Hausa to change the system from the center. That is why that coward Obasanjo effectively did all he could to die in office. He was too scared of life without power. To the yoruba, Nigeria can become the worst nation in the world; just don't do anything! Pls shhhhh, tip toe, tip toe, don't try anything e jo!

"The future does not belong to the faint hearted, it belongs to the brave" - Ronald Reagan (after the Challenger tragedy)

keep up with the melodrama and the academic jingoism of quoting statments, moreso that your quote is from a white man who clear had racism in him.

All that you have done still does not wish away what the Igbos did in 1966.

No2Atheism:

Yep i know and i agree with your views about the fact that problem runs deeper. The point i am trying to make is that Igbos started the blood letting amongst the tribes. Before that times it was more or less just socio-political rivalry.

What happened in 1966 completely changed the face of the game, from merely socio-political to pure outright bloodletting via the use of the military.

Like someone rightly asked, "are you aware of 1953 riots in Kano?" or are just picking from the date it suits you to condemn the Igbos.
Let us even suppose that the 1953 riots did not happen, would it be right for a sane being rope an entire tribe into the 1966 coup? Or are you just trying so hard to to hang the Igbos for reasons you are yet to make clear?

No2Atheism:

You are confusing me with some other people.

Maybe its because you are not steady and clear with your facts just like most Igbo bashers on Nairaland. Your point and direction keep changing from one comment to another.

I do not hate the igbos otherwise i would not have joked that i could marry one. Remember i willing choose to live amongst Igbos even when i had the choice not to

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Since it is a joke, it is even a good reason to believe that you hate the Igbo for nothing.
However, whether you choose to marry, live, love, hate, kiss the Igbos. Trust me on this; most Igbos wont lose sleep over that.

I am not against Biafra, what i am against is the victim card the igbos tend to play (which has now been shown to be unfounded cus they started the blood letting themselves in 1966)

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No, it started as far back as 1948 with the Yorubas and 1953 with Hausas. Please take your time to find out the causes.

I have said countless number of times that Yorubas (including me) do not care if Igbos secede or not, its the corrupt leaders that are against that of which Igbos are also part of the corrupt leaders so stop deceiving urself into thinking that Yorubas are the ones stopping ur considering that Igbos have participating and benefitting from the sharing of the national cake with little or nothing to show for it either in terms of Biafra or in terms of development in Igbo land.

This is a big fat lie. The lie started way back after Aburi accord.
On the other statement, you sound as if the Yorubas and the Hausas who have benefitted more from the national cake have more to show for it in terms of development in their lands.

The issue here is that Igbos have started to repeat the same mistakes Biafra war, and 1966 whereby they are seeking to achieve their aim by any means possible without regards to the fact that its not possible to do so considering that no Ethnic group would sit down and watch their own interests trampled upon by Igbos.

As much as I will love to see a prosperous and fair Nigeria, I want to know your interest that will be trampled upon if Biafra comes alive?
And who told you that the proponents of Biafra are singing war like the old Biafra?

I do not seek your respect, hence it is of no consequence to me, people that know me on the religious threads no that i am not one that shies away from saying the truth even if its not in my own personal interest to do so

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Dont worry about that, it is part of my home training to respect those who tell you to your face how much they hate you even with credible reasons or even reasons they are guilty of. It is my choice and not your choice.
As for your religion; those who know me know that I dont give a shit about the hypocrisy abound in it. In other words, I dont give a damn what you feed your gullible flock.

The truth in this case is that Igbos bleeped up in 1966 end of story. Does that mean Hausa did not mess up later on also , nope. Does that also mean Yorubas did not mess up later on also, nope.

How many Igbos are you talking about here and how does this number translate to the thinking of the the entire Igbos?

The point of discussion in this case is the event of 1966 how it has come to shape Nigerian history till then

The only point evident in this discussion is how much people hate the Igbos of which Igbos dont give a hoot about. Just give justice and fair play and the rest of nigeria can continue live their lives in hatred.

When educated people begin to debate rather in an unintelligent manner I worry way to much and wonder if the so called younger generation would not be far worse if given the opportunity to lead this nation.

1. The Nigerian 5 Majors responsible for the coup had a yoruba man in it so calling the coup an Igbo coup is both wong and shameless.

2. What some military men did without consulting the Igbos cannot be held against the Igbos to the extent of having innocent Igbos massacred in the Northern part of the country.

3. Igbos fought a war that was brought to them and waged mainly in their backyard.

4. In spite of all the deliberate plans of other regions in the country to hold the Igbos back it is common knwoledge to all that the average Igboman is more comfortable than people from other parts of the country even without having strong political power.

5. The Igbos can and will prosper with natural resources found even only in the 5 core Igbo states.

6. Love the Igbos or hate them, you can never ignore them anytime you see them.

7. In terms of academics it is also clear where the Igbos stand in this country thanks to objective statistics from examination bodies being run mostly by non Igbos.

8. Let people continue to mask their envy and jealousy with claims of arrogance and pride.

9. El-Rufai made a report some years ago that over 63% of the lands in Abuja are owned by the Igbos yet I am sure the original master plan did not apportion 63% of the land to the Igbos. Igbos through their businesses have made money and wown considerable number of lands in places like Lagos and Rivers and yet tribalists and ethnic bigots are busy looking for ways to say nonsense about the Igbos.

chineke, bia wayo wayo o hope say no be only me go do reply to that your micro-thesis above. I think i would pass for now and come back to it later as i go to do something else on nairaland .

No2Atheism:

1. Then Awolowo is wrong to have renegaded on an agreement, nevertheless that still does not wish away what happened in 1966.

2. Then you would be justified in making your statment assuming off course your were actually backstab in Omu Ekiti and u did not only add such statements for the melodramatic effects of it.[/b]I have not come here telling you Yorubas are saint, all i have mentioned to you is the following:

[b]- Igbos bleeped up big time in 1966 and Biafra.
- Igbos brought their predicament on themselves.
- Igbos are about to repeat the same mistakes all over again if igbo comments on nairaland are anything to go by.

And i guess ur saying that you chose to stay with igbos even though you could have done otherwise was not for melodramatic effects  

When you talking about 'igbo predicament' unless you are talking about being in power circle of chopping money otherwise i do not see what the 'igbo predicament' is since they by reports are classified as the least poor nigerians.

Nigerians should be much more worried about MEND than igbos judging from what is happening now.

Yorubas also bleeped up in 1993 when they(since they insisted that it was injustice against them) to make sure that Abiola who won a free and fair election did not mount on the saddle as some prominent yorubas (shonekan) worked against him.

@afam
you people no even get shame na triple team (asha, afam, nuzo) u dey do me,  .

@nuzo
i would endeavour to get to your post later, cus sincerely speaking i do not want to respond again for now.

I think people shpuld read the article first.
Me sef still reading

No2Atheism:

@afam
you people no even get shame na triple team (asha, afam, nuzo) u dey do me,  .

I am an Igbo man to the core, I don't believe in tribal wars or ethnic superiority complex neither do I spread any hate towards any tribe or ethnic group in Nigeria.

However, as an Igbo man whenever I see lies or misinformation being bandied around about my people I do my best to comment on the issues raised.

Stick to whatever issues you have with the Igbos and I will respond to them if need be, no need personalizing anything as you would have noticed that my post did not address anyone in particular.

LadyT:

I think people shpuld read the article first.
Me sef still reading

Its clear you are reading with a biased mind, otherwise you wouldnt advise people to read what you've not read.

Calm down!

My point is lets not argue till we actually read what has been written thats all!

No2Atheism:

@afam
you people no even get shame na triple team (asha, afam, nuzo) u dey do me,  .

Afam:

I am an Igbo man to the core, I don't believe in tribal wars or ethnic superiority complex neither do I spread any hate towards any tribe or ethnic group in Nigeria.

However, as an Igbo man whenever I see lies or misinformation being bandied around about my people I do my best to comment on the issues raised.

Stick to whatever issues you have with the Igbos and I will respond to them if need be, no need personalizing anything as you would have noticed that my post did not address anyone in particular.

My statement which u quote and which i am also quoting was not meant as a personal reference but as a joke and an attempt to inject humour into the discussion towards you three.

The little you have experienced of me should have already given u the idea that i do not do personal attacks, no matter how much people try to prod me to do it (although i am still not 100% perfect sha)

No2Atheism:

My statement which u quote and which i am also quoting was not meant as a personal reference but as a joke and an attempt to inject humour into the discussion towards you three.

When a tribe or ethnic group is being maligned based on lies and misinformation with the intention to sow hatred I don't see any need to inject humour because we are talking about serious issues that have led to the death of many innocent people in the past.

Im half way thru this write up but not to make light of the situation but a mobile phone would of stopped all this stupid mis-information.

@ Negro Nuts,

I see that when pushed to the wall, you reveal your tribalistic nature, just like when we were debating WAEC results between states of Nigeria. . . . . I refer to your post just earlier today:

Negro_Ntns:


Look. . .you can voice your anger anyway you want to show it that you are upset at the way Yorubas have treated you. Few things are clear here. . .

1. Yorubas will continue to dominate over you for as long you remain part of Nigeria.

4 Neither Hausa nor Yoruba is interested in your story, we are just interested in the resource that we all jointly own.

5. If you like become an active co-owner in the resources, or if you like sit on sideline and whine about how Yoruba are cowwards and betrayers. . . oil continues to generate revenue and the money will continue to develop infrastructures in North, West, East and South, nothing changes.

Your double-speak is quite disgusting. . . . . . waffling on both sides like a coward. . . . where do you stand?

By Negro_Ntns
Hey Mandingo, I got good news for you. Today, after a lengthy discussion with the Igbos. . . I decided to join their side and advocate a just cause for their right to ownership and full participation in the government. Of course my action will be limited to NL for now. I am still a full fledged Yorubaman but I am not happy at all in what I see in my brothers and sisters from the East. I hope well intended fellows will join with meon this mission.

It cannot be denied that the pains of war, though not visible to the naked eye is still a malignant scar buried deep within the soul. The noise about Biafra is not an ordinary noise. . . but rather an honest attempt to correct the injustices and inequities of losses. . human life and property. The plight of my Igbo brothers and sisters touch me deeply. They need to know that we care. . . that we understand. . . that we share in their struggle for redemption and progress. We all own this country together and we are each a partner - the Hausa, The Igbo and The Yoruba -, its a three way partnership. One going at it alone will not succeed in the ultimate goal to join heads and elbows to reconstruct and reform our societies for future generations. Two going at it alone will all but ruin the gains of prosperity so far laboured and fought for on the sweat of the multitude. Three going at it together completes the team. That's what we are. . . a Team. It's not a competition but rather a reinforcement to beat the odds together and emerge a stronger nation.

Let me cut the speech short here. . . Igbo Kwenu! Igbo Kwenu!! Igbo Kwenu!!!

This one na triple speaking, no be double speaking again.

I just finished the article very interesting!

Ironsi made a fatal mistake. What makes me sad it ALL the innocent people who died because of a stupid bunch of power hungry men.

Pity but what have we Nigerians learned? Nothing!

nuzo:

This one na triple speaking, no be double speaking again.

Nuzo throws Negro Nuts under the bus!

@afam my response is based on this account of the events of 1966 coup, hence i would do my best not to respond to any attempt to disgress into other unrelated issues.

Below are your quoted statements and my responses to them.

Apologies for making such a long post (considering that even i myself hate reading long posts), i just had to make an exhaustive but yet polite rebuttal of the points raised by Afam.

I am an Igbo man to the core, I don't believe in tribal wars or ethnic superiority complex neither do I spread any hate towards any tribe or ethnic group in Nigeria.

However, as an Igbo man whenever I see lies or misinformation being bandied around about my people I do my best to comment on the issues raised.

Stick to whatever issues you have with the Igbos and I will respond to them if need be, no need personalizing anything as you would have noticed that my post did not address anyone in particular.

When a tribe or ethnic group is being maligned based on lies and misinformation with the intention to sow hatred I don't see any need to inject humour because we are talking about serious issues that have led to the death of many innocent people in the past.

- Your statements are a typical example of what is called straw man arguments.

- It is clear as daylight that i have not personalised anything infact i have gone a great deal to avoid personal attacks even though most of the Igbos that were responding to me have intentionally made personal attacks.

- Point of correction, my humour was directed at specific individuals of which you were one. Hence this is not an attempt to poke fun at a race of people. That you choose not to respond to the friendly humour is your choice and loss. I am not here to make enemies hence if u choose to take a battling stance in the whole issue is ur choice.

- Igbos are not being maligned based on lies as far as the 1966 coup is concerned, even an Igbo diplomat (Bernard Odogwu) - who is supposed to be very good at dancing around a sensitive topic cus of his job as a diplomat ended up giving an account showing that even he himself could not reconcile what the Igbos did during 1966. So please stop the misinformation method of saying people are lying against Igbos in terms of the events of 1966.

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When educated people begin to debate rather in an unintelligent manner I worry way to much and wonder if the so called younger generation would not be far worse if given the opportunity to lead this nation.

1. The Nigerian 5 Majors responsible for the coup had a yoruba man in it so calling the coup an Igbo coup is both wong and shameless.

2. What some military men did without consulting the Igbos cannot be held against the Igbos to the extent of having innocent Igbos massacred in the Northern part of the country.

- By which i would take that you are saying i am one of the educated but unintelligent individuals engaging in a discussion. Do you not think that is quite a low blow to throw within an intellectual discussion, considering u have claimed not to take things personal and yet here u are making it not only personal but outright insulting.

- Please stop trying to whitewash history, i really find it disgusting and an attempt at igbo propaganda.

- The historical records were obtained from all sources from all ethnic groups, hence this is not an attempt to lie against the Igbo, history of 1966 coup shows clearly that Igbos set out solely to take over and dominate Nigeria by eliminating Yorubas/Hausas from government while leaving and protecting their Igbo brethren within the same government. It does not take a rocket scientist to see that, hence how you do not see it is beyond me.

- It was not a mistake by a few military men, it was a calculate and well planned action by significant and influential Igbos of that time both in politics and in the military. So please stop trying to whitewash what is glaring for all to see.

- History did not say some Igbo men did something. History said Igbo Military men in connection with Igbo politicians participated and excuted the 1966 coup. It is not a matter of some rogue elements it was a calculated attempt. Your highest ranking Politician at that time "Nnamdi Azikwe" knew about the coming slaugther of Yorubas and Hausa that he specifically planned his get away from Nigeria in advance of the coup. Ifeajuna killed his own mentor. Igbo coup plotters where specifically protected from punishment by other Igbos in government. There was a celebrated sense of job welldone within some quarters amongst the Igbos. So please don't even try to bullshit me with false rage. For example, Nnamdi Azikwe knew well in advance that his Yoruba and Hausa counterparts in government where going to experience effects of a coup, yet he specifically choose to asbcound and thus ultimately protect Igbo interest. So please stop this attempt at whitewashing the history of 1966 coup, it was not a mistake by a few military men, it was a calculated attempt by well placed Igbos in position of power.

- Your mention of the fact that you classify what is there for everyone to read as lies is quite baffling, even when the report shows that wat happened in 1966 was not just about Igbo Soldiers but Igbo politicians in general. Hence it was not an issue of lies but rather a calculated murder on Yoruba/Hausa politicians in 1966.
Your attempt to whitewash history of 1966 and then still try to play neutral is disgusting to say the least.

- History shows that the Yoruba men involved where intentionally and strategically prevented from holding any position that might have jeaopardised the coup. Hence the coup was plotted and executed solely to further Igbo interest.

- Saying the truth as it is (which is there for everyone to read and see from the historical records) is not wrong and shameless, instead that is what a truthful bible person would actually do.

- Those who know me on this thread know that i bash Hausas and Yorubas and Igbos when they are in the wrong. However your attempt at whitewashing what happened in 1966 in favour of the Igbos only goes to show what i said when i said that in general and in comparison to other ethnic groups, Igbos generally have the mentality of thinking that the end justifies the means. Hence partly why most Igbos seem not to realise that they threw the first stone that started the retaliation of other nigerians against.

- One astonishing fact that i also find disgusting is that despite that Yorubas have attacked alongside Hausas by the Igbos, still Yorubas have been honourable enough not to retaliate (like the Hausas have done) , infact history shows that in all that has happened a few Yorubas have gone as far as even given their lives to protect Igbos. Talk about an ungrateful students of history shior,

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5. The Igbos can and will prosper with natural resources found even only in the 5 core Igbo states.

6. Love the Igbos or hate them, you can never ignore them anytime you see them.

7. In terms of academics it is also clear where the Igbos stand in this country thanks to objective statistics from examination bodies being run mostly by non Igbos.

8. Let people continue to mask their envy and jealousy with claims of arrogance and pride.

9. El-Rufai made a report some years ago that over 63% of the lands in Abuja are owned by the Igbos yet I am sure the original master plan did not apportion 63% of the land to the Igbos. Igbos through their businesses have made money and wown considerable number of lands in places like Lagos and Rivers and yet tribalists and ethnic bigots are busy looking for ways to say nonsense about the Igbos.

- its sad that all u said and quoted above is the same mentality of Igbos that i am talking about. What does your irrelevant melodrama and use of eulogical sentences have to do with the issue of 1966 Coup. This topic is based on 1966 coup and i would advise you stay on topic.

- your mention of 63% land ownership in abuja is irrelevant to this topic cus this topic is about 1966 coup and what the Igbo did then. Moreover landownership in a corrupt Nigerian city such as Abuka is not a measure of success but rather a measure of how much the Igbos have benefitted from the slicing and dicing of the national cake by engaging themselves in corrupt dealings. Considering that the common man knows that it is next to impossible for an honest and non-corrupt nigerian to have access to land ownership in Abuja. The frequent revocation of CofO and destruction of illegal structures in Abuja attests to this. Hence it baffles me why and how u think the issue of land ownership relates to the topic at hand.

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It is sad that before going through your post, i actually though you were objective and neutral as you claim, however going through your post and seeing the reasoning behind it, only goes to prove my point that:

- You are trying to whitewash what happened in 1966.

- Igbos are still not remorseful about what they did in the 1966 coup

- Igbos do not realise that they started and created the military mess in Nigeria by engaging in a tribalistic military coup that caused other ethnic groups to react violently.

- Igbos do not realise that they were the ones that first threw the first punch in a fight with the other ethnic groups, hence why i find it disgusting when Igbos always seem to want to play the victim card.

- Nigerians reacted to Igbo treachery of 1966 coup and instead of remorse, Biafra was the reaction.

- If Igbos had not tried to take over Nigeria through a military coup favouring Igbos in the first place, there would not have been cause for Igbos to want to create a Biafra, considering that Biafra was just another attempt of Igbos to dominate and control a country of their own all by themselves.



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@nuzo

Please i am time constrained hence i would still try to respond to your own posting later, when i can.


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CHEERS EVERYONE.

@No2Atheism,

Thanks for your long posts but it seems you are the one playing to the gallery here.

You have consistently and shamefully referred to the actions of coup plotters (with majority of them Igbos) as actions of the Igbo people. This is disgusting coming from someone that claims to stand by the truth.

Your lame attempt at claiming the Igbos planned what a few military men did is unfortunate for an educated mind.

Why are you loosing sleep over some of statements I raised when they are not false statements. 63% of the lands in Abuja was not based on any sharing formula but by the buying up of properties by people who were given less than 40 pounds to begin life after a bitter war that was waged on them.

If you cannot live with such facts and reality it is your own problem not mine.

Stick to the issues. So, it is today you learnt that Zik was aware because someone stated so? It is obvious you know close to nothing about the issue you have been talking about if all these nonsense you are putting down is based on what you read some minutes or hours ago.