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Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Annunaki(m): 9:55am On Mar 14, 2016 |
Medicis: He actually deserves those lashes 1 Like |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Demmzy15(m): 10:50am On Mar 14, 2016 |
truthman2012:Don't give yourself heartattack and don't even try and play that "Taqqiyah" card with because it won't work here. Back to the discussion, what are your proofs that the Samaritans didn't exist in Moses's time? The Quran mentioned "Al Samiri" which is Samaritan in Arabic, please answer those questions and don't shame your foot soldiers Cc proudkafir Annunaki, druxy Parisbookaddict |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2012(m): 10:56am On Mar 14, 2016 |
Which god is allahh who lacks knowledge of simple history? Or was it Muhammad making the quran up? The quran appears more like the work of an illiterate person, which Muhammad was. Still absolute silence on allahh's lie that Muhammad was not alone in the act of marrying the wife of an adopted son. No comment yet on which other prophet received revelation from satan like Muhammad. If allahh is found lying on these, why should there be any doubt about his lies on other issues? Once a liar always a liar. Desist from islamic allahh, he is a liar and a deceiver. 2 Likes |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2012(m): 11:01am On Mar 14, 2016 |
Demmzy15: How can a Samaritan have led the Israelites astray at the time of Moses (approx 1400 B.C.) when the city of Samaria was founded by King Omri about 870 B.C.? |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Annunaki(m): 11:39am On Mar 14, 2016 |
Demmzy15: Olodo any bible student knows that Samaria was founded after the reign of King Solomon but considering the fact that you are an infidel, your ignorance will be excused. However truthman already gave a wikipedia link on Samaria which if you bothered to read through, you would have seen in the history of Samaria that it was founded centuries after the time of moses. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by parisbookaddict(f): 2:34pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Demmzy15:Why are u so confused my brother in humanity U deserve only pity. |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Annunaki(m): 3:44pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
parisbookaddict: He is not confused, he is just deliberately telling lies like a good muslim should. |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Nadheer15: 4:54pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
parisbookaddict:We'll see who deserves pity after I rubbish your bible now! Deal with this first!
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Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Nadheer15: 5:00pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
truthman2012:Stop making empty noise Mr. Man, I asked you a question, what is Samaritan in Hebrew language?! The Encyclopedia Judaica doesn't support your view: Little guidance is obtained from the name of the Samaritans. The Bible uses the name Shomronim once, in II Kings 17:29, but this probably means Samarians rather than Samaritans. The Samaritans themselves do not use the name at all; they have long called themselves Shamerin; i.e., "keepers" or "observers" of the truth = al ha-amet, both the short and long forms being in constant use in their chronicles. They take the name Shomronim to mean inhabitants of the town of Samaria built by Omri (cf. I Kings 16:24), where the probable origin of the word Shomronim is to be found). "Samaritans" in Encyclopaedia Judaica, 1972, Volume 14, Encyclopaedia Judaica Jerusalem, col. 728. So you can see that your bible translators probably don't know history. Truthman2012, Parisbookaddict, Annunaki, etc please who is a Samaritan?! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2012(m): 5:17pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Nadheer15: How does this address the OP? Is it the meaning of the name Samaritan that is in contention or the time they started existing? If you don't know, what we are saying is that as at the time of Moses when the saga of golden calf came up, Samaritan was not yet in existence. Why did allahh or Muhammad say nonexistent Samaritan led the Israelites to worship golden calf? Samaritan did not exist until about 500 years after Moses had died. That is allahh's poor knowledge of history we are talking of. 1 Like |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Nadheer15: 5:26pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
truthman2012:I asked you for Samaritan in Hebrew you've not answered me, the Quran mentioned Al Samiri which is Samaritan while the bible mentioned something entirely different as shown in my post above. The bible mentioned Samarian, this is someone who lives in Samaria and it has nothing to do with the Samaritan. So who are the Samaritans truthman2012 et al |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2012(m): 5:28pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Nadheer15: My friend, don't introduce an irrelevant topic here because you lack defence. Their is nothing to rubbish the Bible but your misinterpretations. 1 Like |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Nadheer15: 5:30pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Truthman2012 please don't mention anything about Allaah or whatsoever, be objective. When you do that it shows your low self-esteem, if you like you can reopen a thread restricted to me and you only so as we can debate this issue clearly, no one apart from me and you is to post! It's a challenge if you're willing to take! |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Nadheer15: 5:32pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
truthman2012:Are you scared or what? You derailed this thread long ago by bringing up issues about Prophet Muhammad's(saw) marriage, so you've got no right to complain. |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2012(m): 5:47pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Nadheer15: What do you mean the Bible mentioned Samarian, something entirely different? How can you afford to tell a glaring lie? I wouldn't blame you because it is permitted in islam. We have even discovered the quran itself is a bundle of lies. 2 Kings 17:29 (KJV) Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in their cities wherein they dwelt. Where did you see Samarian? Even if you see Samarian elsewhere, it means Samaritan and Samarian are the same. I want to believe Muhammad learnt of that Bible passage and thought it happened in the time.of Moses. Ignorance. 2 Likes |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2012(m): 5:54pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Nadheer15: Scared of what ? Whatever you say, our God is capable of defending Himself, He fights our battle for us. Unlike allahh who requested for muslims help to fight in his course. What a weak god. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Nadheer15: 6:35pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
truthman2012:Have you forgotten about Moses and his horde of uncivilized monkeys?! |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Nadheer15: 6:42pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
truthman2012: Low self-esteem, don't be scared, I won't crush yo 2 Kings 17:29 (KJV) Here's the verse in Hebrew: The bible uses shomronim(Samarian), this is different from shamerin(Samaritan). So you're getting it twisted! Where did you see Samarian? Even if you see Samarian elsewhere, it means Samaritan and Samarian are the same. Samaritan means 'keepers" or "observers" while Samarian means an "inhabitant of Samaria". There's a difference between the two and your bible translated rubbish! I want to believe Muhammad learnt of that Bible passage and thought it happened in the time.of Moses. Ignorance. You haven't proved the Prophet Muhammad(SAW) to be wrong, you're just guessing and fooling around. Prove him wrong boy! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by parisbookaddict(f): 6:53pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Nadheer15: We will see through your lies , u can try but u'll fail. |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Nadheer15: 7:37pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
parisbookaddict:Pervert what did your God do with the 32 virgins given to him?! |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2012(m): 7:48pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Nadheer15: Trash !!! Do you understand Hebrew? You want to claim you know Hebrew more than the translators of the Bible. Nonsense. Now, in that Hebrew writing you copied from an islamic site, pinpoint the word "Samarian",with proof by mentioning the alphabet. |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by importexpert(m): 8:21pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
truthman2012: salam to everyone in the house. please never manipulate the holy qur'an just to achieve your own self interest. i just wish you know qur'an better so that we can dig into more light that proof qur'an is the light. for the verses you quoted above, samiri was clearly a person's name and not samarians as you manipulate it to be. let me proof to you: [ Allah ] said, "But indeed, We have tried your people after you [departed], and the Samiri has led them astray. Q20:85 So Moses returned to his people, angry and grieved. He said, "O my people, did your Lord not make you a good promise? Then, was the time [of its fulfillment] too long for you, or did you wish that wrath from your Lord descend upon you, so you broke your promise [of obedience] to me?" Q20:86 They said, "We did not break our promise to you by our will, but we were made to carry burdens from the ornaments of the people [of Pharaoh], so we threw them [into the fire], and thus did the Samiri throw."Q20:87 And he extracted for them [the statue of] a calf which had a lowing sound, and they said, "This is your god and the god of Moses, but he forgot." Q20:87 he above clear shows that samiri is a single person. wait let me show you more obvious proofs [Moses] said, "And what is your case, O Samiri?" Q20:95 i skipped 88-94 but you can reference to them here http://quran.com/20/85-95 He said, "I saw what they did not see, so I took a handful [of dust] from the track of the messenger and threw it, and thus did my soul entice me." Q20:96 above is another clear proof. samiri was asked a question and above was his answer. or are you too blind to see that? [Moses] said, "Then go. And indeed, it is [decreed] for you in [this] life to say, 'No contact.' And indeed, you have an appointment [in the Hereafter] you will not fail to keep. And look at your 'god' to which you remained devoted. We will surely burn it and blow it into the sea with a blast. Q20:97 still referring to samiri above clearly shows you that samiri is a person. From the Quranic Arabic Corpus - Ontology of Quranic Concepts if you need further clarification on who samiri was, kindly make a little more research on who was samiri during "prophet moses (Musa A.s). please stop misleading people on cheap lies. 1 Like |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2012(m): 8:59pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
importexpert: Nonsense !!! What did you explain now ? Are you saying Samiri is not Samaritan ? Please note that other muslims here have admitted that that Samiri is Samaritan. If to you Samiri is not Samaritan, who was he (with proofs)? 2 Likes |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Nadheer15: 9:23pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
truthman2012: Do you understand Hebrew? Why do you care? Do you know Arabic?! You want to claim you know Hebrew more than the translators of the Bible. Nonsense. I'm claiming to know more than them. We have Samaritans today in the state of Israel, they've never called themselves shomronim(Samarian). These people claim they're descendants of Joseph, so who are am i to believe? You or them? Now, in that Hebrew writing you copied from an islamic site, pinpoint the word "Samarian",with proof by mentioning the alphabet. Go back to the post and look at the underlined, that's the word there. |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2012(m): 9:40pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
Nadheer15: Islamic al-taqquah ! Nobody is talking about Samarian, I wonder where you got that from. The quran talks about Samiri, which is the Arabic word for Samaritan. Stop introducing what doesn't exist as your defence. 2 Likes |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by importexpert(m): 7:47am On Mar 15, 2016 |
truthman2012: unfortunately you were to blind to see the proofs that samiri is an individual. i made enough proofs above. you can take 1minute and search on google "who was samiri during prophet moses". it will save you a lot of ignorance. the level of understanding differ between diff individuals but the message in the qur'an remains one. look into my post, reason and criticize logically coz above is the direct message that you misinterpreted as a result of your ignorance. i work base on the sayings of the holy qur'an not the sayings of other Muslims so judge me with what i say not with what they say. or are you ashamed to now admit that the truth is out ? i respect other faiths in the house so i will not talk about Errors in their scriptures but when the need arises, this i may discuss for reference purposes only and not for condemnation. |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2012(m): 8:36am On Mar 15, 2016 |
importexpert: Stop deceiving yourself. The matter is so clear. Samaria had never existed at the time of the golden calf issue. So there couldn't be a Samaritan at that time. Allah or Muhammad whoever it was, did not know simple history. You said the Samiri is an individual, is it the whole city that would have led the Israelites to worship the golden calf? If it is said that a Nigerian led them to worship golden calf, would it be the the whole Nigeria? How do you reason? |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Nadheer15: 5:16pm On Mar 15, 2016 |
truthman2012: What does that mean?! Nobody is talking about Samarian, I wonder where you got that from. The biblical verse you provided talks about a "Samarian" which means "an inhabitant of the city of samaria", whereas the Quran speaks of "Samaritan" which literally means "keepers". They're totally different from each other, the Samaritans exists today and they claim they're descendants of Joseph, remember that Joseph was born 100s of years before Moses. Wikipedia states: Ancestrally, Samaritans claim descent from the Israelite tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh (two sons of Joseph) as well as from the priestly tribe of Levi So truthman2012, Parisbookaddict, Annunaki, druxy, etc I ask you all, who came first- Moses or Joseph?! The quran talks about Samiri, which is the Arabic word for Samaritan. Of course I didn't dispute that! Stop introducing what doesn't exist as your defence. Low self-esteem, you've failed Mr. Man. Your foot soldiers must be disappointed in you, stop holding on to a feeble straw. |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2012(m): 6:47pm On Mar 15, 2016 |
Nadheer15: Read the OP again and again, may be you will understand the fact that history has it that there was no Samaritan until about 500 years after Moses. If the Samaritans are descendants of Joseph, does that mean they had established Samaria during the time of Joseph? The Yorubas are descendants of Oduduwa, does that mean Abeokuta existed in the time of Oduduwa? |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Nadheer15: 11:38pm On Mar 15, 2016 |
truthman2012: This is a big lie because the Samaritans are descendants of Joseph, they're hundreds of years older than Moses. They still exist today and their population is about 800, many of them are Muslims, especially in those from the city of Nablus. This is what the Samaritans about themselves, so your words hold no weight: Until the middle of the 20th Century it was customary to believe that the Samaritans originated from a mixture of the people living in Samaria and other peoples at the time of the conquest of Samaria by Assyria (722/1 B.C.E.). The Biblical account in II Kings 17 had long been the decisive source for the formulation of historical accounts of Samaritan origins. Reconsideration of this passage, however, has led to more attention being paid to the Chronicles of the Samaritans themselves. With the publication of Chronicle II (Sefer ha-Yamim), the fullest Samaritan version of their own history became available: the chronicles, and a variety of non-Samaritan materials. According to the former, the Samaritans are the direct descendants of the Joseph tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh, and until the 17th century C.E. they possessed a high priesthood descending directly from Aaron through Eleazar and Phinehas. They claim to have continuously occupied their ancient territory in central Palestine and to have been at peace with other Israelite tribes until the time when Eli disrupted the Northern cult by moving from Shechem to Shiloh and attracting some northern Israelites to his new cult there. For the Samaritans, this was the 'schism' par excellence. "Samaritans" in Encyclopaedia Judaica, 1972, Volume 14, op. cit., col. 727. Take a look at the underlined, it's clear enough, if you want genealogical evidence I can give you! If the Samaritans are descendants of Joseph, does that mean they had established Samaria during the time of Joseph? Nobody is talking about Samaria but Samaritan, which is a people who descended from Joseph. A Samarian is one that inhabits the city of Samaria. This is totally different, the Samaritans never called themselves Samarian so why trying to disprove the unproven? The Samaritan descended from Joseph which was many years before Moses and the city of Samaria which consists Samarian was founded later. The Yorubas are descendants of Oduduwa, does that mean Abeokuta existed in the time of Oduduwa? Yorubas have existed thousands of years, but Nigeria was coined in 1914, does that mean Yorubas didn't exist before Nigeria was formed?! 2 Likes |
Re: Clear Error In The Qur'an: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by malvisguy212: 1:27am On Mar 16, 2016 |
Demmzy15:read the op very well. The op did not compear the quran and bible. Its about history and the quran, how can a samaritant lead the isrealite to go against God plan, when they are not in existence ? Samson tearing of lion mouth and the rest , they are all miracle, it is not by their strength. They are being empower by God. unless you don't believe in God, this miracle are real. |
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