chrisooblog:
You can not compare foreign born players struggle to Nigerian born players. For instance 7-9 years ago Osimhen was selling pure water in traffic, could barely afford football boots for training. While Abraham's struggle was just how to make it in the academy, worries about training kits or where his next meal will come from didn't cross his mind.

TheGoodJoe:


Assistance.

TheGoodJoe:


My idea is at the development stage, you need more of training, especially on the tactical side of things. Playing regularly without developing yourself as a player in training can prove futile.

So, I preferred Nacho stays and works with Guardiola, even if it meant having less playing time. Remember Foden suffered the same issue of Guardiola not giving him playing time.

GUARDIOLA ON FODEN WHEN HE WAS LACKING GAME TIME
“He’s growing from last season. There are still some departments he can improve. Sometimes he takes decisions with character and spirit because he is so young, but sometimes he has to think a bit more about decision-making, especially without the ball.

“But it’s normal with his age. His development is perfect. We are more than satisfied with what he is doing with his training and when he plays.”

However, when you have passed the development stage, it comes a time to make your mark and I think Nacho is getting to that stage. Glad he developed tactically but I hope he gets to work with a coach that keeps improving him on that. But, he needs playing time now to show his stuff.

do4luv14:



so what Assistance had you given to those numerous kids playing footie without boots

Samueltemi337:
Nwakali is in Netherland


probably wanna sign for a Netherland team

do4luv14:



so what Assistance had you given to those numerous kids playing footie without boots

do4luv14:



what's your definition of opportunity

Starboytwo:
I still have guys who are training everyday till this day, hoping some miracle will happen and go to Europe not even npfl. Last time I had a dream of such was maybe 2015-16. I simply moved to other things(although very painful as football was everyone’s dream in my hood) it’s extremely hard to breakout unless you are insanely good.

I was a little privileged cuz all I had to do was wake and go to training, come back with half of my teammates and we cook beans and do Garri. Nap, play game and go to the field again by 4:30pm. For many of my team mates, 2 particular have to train in the morning, then go and do car wash before he gotta eat, then train again in the evening, only God knows how he do dinner.

It’s very hard to break out, only a handful gets to even travel, not even about having a great career at all. No structure, no plan, only train, hard work, faith and hope. I have an old group photo, about 30 of us, only Rashidat Ajibade ever made it out. Rest are still playing grassroots, 1 particularly(one of the best strikers I have seen) Ezekiel, so good he would definitely be a professional if he was in Uk, is now a thug At iyana Iba collecting dues. Shakes head.how many I wan talk.

I’m only buttressing the point my oga made, I’m not trading blame or anything, I’m also a victim too. If there was a working system, a working progression of talents from u8,10,12, etc. before you get to under 15 the better ones are identified and worked on. Even if it’s not Europe, the local league should be an Avenue many truly young players have some kind of career. Mehn, many footballers waste for my set. Damn. Many are still wasting.

TheGoodJoe:


Thank you for the emotional post. I feel your pain and saw some kids in a street academy with the same pain, although a few of them broke to Europe and some Asia. They are doing fine for themselves but was not easy. However, a large chunk of them, about 90% of them did not make it. Sad because these were genuine talents.

Now we move to England, many clubs, from the Premier League to the Championship and lower leagues, offer these kids these golden opportunities. They have a working system in each club.

Look at London, where you have Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham, Tottenham, and it goes to clubs in the Championship like Fulham, even to the lower leagues. Teams like Barnsley.

All in one City with academies given kids opportunities to work and earn a living by following their dreams.

The gap is not the same. Anyone who thinks it is, needs to have a rethink.

Thank you again.

Samueltemi337:
Nwakali is in Netherland


probably wanna sign for a Netherland team

TheGoodJoe:


By the way, I work in development. So I have had the opportunity to give young people assistance, even though it is through the office. However, it is not football-related. However, I am actually hoping to carry out a community football development scheme. I believe if we contribute our little quota, we can make a difference. We can not continue waiting for politicians while time keeps going.

If we can carry little help in our local areas, we can make little impacts.

do4luv14:



this is not just about Abraham or foreign borns,

it more about ways of life, standard of living, and the likes,

why do you think we Africans go to white man's land, almost everything they got, they struggled for it first, so Vic selling water, is his one kind of struggles, be that as it may

when you wanted to do a fair comparison, do it with like follows, cos it seems Abraham's rejection of playing for us is still fresh in many of our minds, hence any slight happenstance, we will run and compared him with Vic

TheGoodJoe:


I believe you sacrifice to grow. Nacho needs to take charge of his life. Just like how Gabriel Jesus is doing. Gabby Jesus now tells Guardiola where he wants to play. He is now likely leaving and will choose a club that will give him playing time and play him his preferred way.

Iheanacho has really grown tactically this season. It is time he applies his knowledge and chooses a stable club with a working system.

I believe Gabriel Jesus is going to take a pay cut, likely he will join Arsenal.

Iheanacho will need to sacrifice if he is going to make an impact in this generation. He should take a pay cut with a guarantee of playing time. He should also reach out to Vieira and Pelegrini if there is a guarantee for him.

He needs to make that sacrifice. He is one of the most gifted players of this generation. He should not let it waste.

daveP:
That's true. Just that we would all be impatient here and we didn't know if it would have turned out fine. The IFs on that front too many. But a development coach is better than a coach just chasing results. Besides, Pep Liked Foden. It was obvious from get go. I don't think Nacho's own was that obvious. Playing time reward is the only way we can know. Klopp can risk it, Wenger and Mou can too. But i think he's doing okay here. I can't trade the what IF under Pep for this currently. No assurances. None actually

Its the same with Iwobi currently.

But i also like a player so intentional on improvement beyond training hours. I doubt we'll see another cr7 or Ibrahimovic. This struggling is what is affecting man u players currently. No further development.

daveP:
Im interested pls.

JohnBullMySon:




You people are funny oh. You think there's any place on this planet where people find it easy? FGS professional football is extremely competitive. I think you guys underrate this a lot. Millions of aspiring players never get a chance even in England.

It's not as if things get easier for those living in England. Where there are more opportunities, there's even more competition. The struggle to play professionally is much tougher in England than Nigeria. Look at this report from Playerscout UK

TheGoodJoe:


I find this funny. Then think of the statistic for the kids in Nigeria, who have no chance of getting into an academy in Europe, if those in academies have little chances.

I repeat, you can not compare.

Raheem Sterling stood a better chance in Europe than if he was born here.

TheGoodJoe:


We are talking of opportunity here. These European kids have far better opportunity to achieve their dreams.

JohnBullMySon:
You know I wrote something. I said that the more the opportuinity the more the competition. Can you compare the football culture in England to Nigeria? How many kids in Nigeria at age 9 are aspiring to play football?

To even get signed to an academy in the UK you must be really good because they'll pay for your schooling and give you stipends. If you're really good in Nigeria, to the level of getting signed for a team in England, you'll definitely get scouted.

TheGoodJoe:


By the way, I work in development. So I have had the opportunity to give young people assistance, even though it is through the office. However, it is not football-related. However, I am actually hoping to carry out a community football development scheme. I believe if we contribute our little quota, we can make a difference. We can not continue waiting for politicians while time keeps going.

If we can carry little help in our local areas, we can make little impacts.

TheGoodJoe:


It is not true. Not at all. If you are good in Nigeria, you hardly get scouted. You will not get noticed.

The likes of Iheanacho and Osimhen were lucky they were in the time of Maigari, we carried out credible screening.

These are kids that had high-grade talents. If not the U17, no chance. If they were in England, they would have been scouted and in academies.

In England there are more than 50, if not hundred academies. Here we have no one.

No one.

Special football talents waste in Nigeria.

Who will scout them?

These kids can not even feed, let alone pursue their footballing dreams.

I have seen loads.

Do you think this agent is joking when he made the statement below?

M7even:


And from those opportunities we have the likes of Tammy etc. You cannot reduce those who have worked hard to find themselves at the pinnacle of attaining professional careers to mere opportunities when hundreds of their colleges regrettable do not make it. If it was easy a larger fraction of those youth stars will still be in the peak of their professional careers. So however you make the argument. The ultimate factor for success is not the question of environment. However as positive as an environment might seem there are it's negative and vice versa

JohnBullMySon:
So why can't they sign up in the NPFL if they are that good? You can't tell me that a highly talented player will sign for the NPFL and not get noticed by anyone.

If we have great talents, why has out NPFL teams failed to dominate the African stage. Is that too big for the "talents"?

The NPFL reflects the rate at which we produce talents IMO.

It does not work like that here. In this part of the world, the local league is filled up with lots of players trying to survive. Many good players last long in the league because of their source of income.

Also, we have some mad politics over here. Even the local league needs recommendations and an envelope.

There are so many challenges facing our local league.

Just look at the picture below. These are players begging the governor for their wages that he has not paid for long.

You guys don't understand.

do4luv14:




correct, now look at it this way, so let's face facts,

those kids you talked about in your two replies to my comment, especially that calamari kid, there are many of them, not just him alone, if you had contact close friends raise a certain sums form a club and put that kid there, you will still be hearing about him,

now the kids your dad sponsor to a competition abroad, if your dad had not done it, I put it to you, that team would had been disbanded long ago ,

now that's another definition of Assistance, which you called opportunity,

now the London clubs you, abi it's Chris mentioned, see such things as you, they don't just assist, they formed a club too, the rest is history

And is am not mistaken one or two of those same London clubs are formed by dockworker, prove me wrong

do4luv14:




correct, now look at it this way, so let's face facts,

those kids you talked about in your two replies to my comment, especially that calamari kid, there are many of them, not just him alone, if you had contact close friends raise a certain sums form a club and put that kid there, you will still be hearing about him,

now the kids your dad sponsor to a competition abroad, if your dad had not done it, I put it to you, that team would had been disbanded long ago ,

now that's another definition of Assistance, which you called opportunity,

now the London clubs you, abi it's Chris mentioned, see such things as you, they don't just assist, they formed a club too, the rest is history

And is am not mistaken one or two of those same London clubs are formed by dockworker, prove me wrong

TheGoodJoe:


I agree there are too many IFs however, there is a constant which I believe. Training methods. I believe Pep's training methods and I believe in his tactical sessions with players. If a player can SOAK in the knowledge he passes, he will improve. Coupled with hard work in training. After getting this knowledge, the player can seek playing time.

I always insist on training coming before playing time. Nacho might not have gotten playing time from Guardiola, but he would have gotten training.

JohnBullMySon:
So why can't they sign up in the NPFL if they are that good? You can't tell me that a highly talented player will sign for the NPFL and not get noticed by anyone.

If we have great talents, why has out NPFL teams failed to dominate the African stage. Is that too big for the "talents"?

The NPFL reflects the rate at which we produce talents IMO.

BannedLarge:


Iheanacho horrible football fundamentals wasn’t enough for a perfectionist like guardiola.

TheGoodJoe:


It does not work like that here. In this part of the world, the local league is filled up with lots of players trying to survive. Many good players last long in the league because of their source of income.

Also, we have some mad politics over here. Even the local league needs recommendations and an envelope.

There are so many challenges facing our local league.

Just look at the picture below. These are players begging the governor for their wages that he has not paid for long.

You guys don't understand.

JohnBullMySon:
Well, I still don't believe that highly talented players get sidelined in the NPFL for less talented players due to politics or whatever IDK

For the financial aspect, I totally get that. It must be a turnoff. Besides we are money and "japa" minded. I don't think most aspiring footballers are interested in the NPFL. They rather want to get to Europe straight and make money playing for the big dogs. But one has to look beyond that. Some of our aspiring footballers have a better shot forgetting the money and shooting for the NPFL. Who knows if you might just hit it from there?

JohnBullMySon:
Well, I still don't believe that highly talented players get sidelined in the NPFL for less talented players due to politics or whatever IDK

For the financial aspect, I totally get that. It must be a turnoff. Besides we are money and "japa" minded. I don't think most aspiring footballers are interested in the NPFL. They rather want to get to Europe straight and make money playing for the big dogs. But one has to look beyond that. Some of our aspiring footballers have a better shot forgetting the money and shooting for the NPFL. Who knows if you might just hit it from there?

superbloke:

Sure, but since joining Juve, he's not been as prolific as he used to be and fans are saying it's because of Juve's style of play. My point is that it's the same thing some people say about Osimhen and Napoli but it's easily taken as sentimental because he's Nigerian. Just wanted to point out the similarities. I'm not saying the opinion is valid Sha. Just pointing it out.