skallion7:
Never forget the name

*Thompson* *Ishaka*

TheGoodJoe:


You literally just rant and have zero experience in football debates. If you disagree with a point, you pick it up and dissect it to prove the person wrong. You don't ask questions. For instance, when you say working with someone does not mean the person subscribes to it, you list an area why you think the person does not subscribe to it.

Learn how to break points.

Arteta:
Actually was in Barcelona academy when Guardiola played the midfield of Barcelona main team. He grew up learning the exact role Guardiola played and played that same role.

When Arteta finished his coaching school, he had offers but chose Manchester City because he wanted to work with Guardiola. So, he definitely subscribes to Guardiola's philosophy.

Xavi:
Xavi already explained how he learnt a lot from Guardiola's coaching time and how they share the same philosophy. So you can not say Xavi does not subscribe to it.

Kompany:
Before he even started coaching, in an interview, he expressed he has learnt everything in Guardiola's coaching pattern. I took it as a joke but man, he seems a replica.

With the points raised, you can see they all subscribe to Pep's philosophy.

I did not need to ask you one question.

Finito.

daveP:
Having two players like Khava and Odegaard behind them on a national team level without even a top coach is already doom for any African team right now.

mostob:
We have Iwobi already. To find the other two midfielders and a backup is a bit hard.
Onyedika as a DM is also great.

daveP:


Exactly. Just iwobi right now. Dunno about Eze situation sha, but Onyedika is doing well. Will be glad if he syncs asap.

benji93:
Unfortunately, i have come to understand that you are not straightforward in your arguments. You are very evasive. If you ask me a question, I will answer and add some meat. You don't do that. You provide answers to a different set of questions. That's not good in any debate. It would be unfruitful. I go into an argument hoping to make headway. So if we have to have a debate about tikitaka, there has to be an understanding that we are talking about the same things, and as I usually say if we don't, we will keep talking past each other. I asked that because I wanted to know what your prototypical tiki-taka system was. You seem to throw out tiki-taka anytime a system is possession-based, in which case there are other systems that are possession--based but not tiki-taka. Besides Pep has long drifted away from the system he had at Barcelona. Kompany actually never admitted his system is tiki-taka. Attached is a snippet of a report by Athletic. Kompany clearly doesn't want to identify with tikitaka. And of course his system is possession-based too.

https://theathletic.com/3344962/2022/06/20/vincent-kompany-burnley/

Again you are not listening. The question is not whether Arteta played in a Barcelona system or not, the question is, does he deploy tiki-taka as Arsenal's manager? That his system is possession-based is not in question, but is it tiki-taka? Again what system is the prototypical tiki-taka or is close enough?

benji93:
Unfortunately, i have come to understand that you are not straightforward in your arguments. You are very evasive. If you ask me a question, I will answer and add some meat. You don't do that. You provide answers to a different set of questions. That's not good in any debate. It would be unfruitful. I go into an argument hoping to make headway. So if we have to have a debate about tikitaka, there has to be an understanding that we are talking about the same things, and as I usually say if we don't, we will keep talking past each other. I asked that because I wanted to know what your prototypical tiki-taka system was. You seem to throw out tiki-taka anytime a system is possession-based, in which case there are other systems that are possession--based but not tiki-taka. Besides Pep has long drifted away from the system he had at Barcelona. Kompany actually never admitted his system is tiki-taka. Attached is a snippet of a report by Athletic. Kompany clearly doesn't want to identify with tikitaka. And of course his system is possession-based too.

https://theathletic.com/3344962/2022/06/20/vincent-kompany-burnley/

Again you are not listening. The question is not whether Arteta played in a Barcelona system or not, the question is, does he deploy tiki-taka as Arsenal's manager? That his system is possession-based is not in question, but is it tiki-taka? Again what system is the prototypical tiki-taka or is close enough?

benji93:
Unfortunately, i have come to understand that you are not straightforward in your arguments. You are very evasive. If you ask me a question, I will answer and add some meat. You don't do that. You provide answers to a different set of questions. That's not good in any debate. It would be unfruitful. I go into an argument hoping to make headway. So if we have to have a debate about tikitaka, there has to be an understanding that we are talking about the same things, and as I usually say if we don't, we will keep talking past each other. I asked that because I wanted to know what your prototypical tiki-taka system was. You seem to throw out tiki-taka anytime a system is possession-based, in which case there are other systems that are possession--based but not tiki-taka. Besides Pep has long drifted away from the system he had at Barcelona. Kompany actually never admitted his system is tiki-taka. Attached is a snippet of a report by Athletic. Kompany clearly doesn't want to identify with tikitaka. And of course his system is possession-based too.

https://theathletic.com/3344962/2022/06/20/vincent-kompany-burnley/

Again you are not listening. The question is not whether Arteta played in a Barcelona system or not, the question is, does he deploy tiki-taka as Arsenal's manager? That his system is possession-based is not in question, but is it tiki-taka? Again what system is the prototypical tiki-taka or is close enough?

benji93:
Unfortunately, i have come to understand that you are not straightforward in your arguments. You are very evasive. If you ask me a question, I will answer and add some meat. You don't do that. You provide answers to a different set of questions. That's not good in any debate. It would be unfruitful. I go into an argument hoping to make headway. So if we have to have a debate about tikitaka, there has to be an understanding that we are talking about the same things, and as I usually say if we don't, we will keep talking past each other. I asked that because I wanted to know what your prototypical tiki-taka system was. You seem to throw out tiki-taka anytime a system is possession-based, in which case there are other systems that are possession--based but not tiki-taka. Besides Pep has long drifted away from the system he had at Barcelona. Kompany actually never admitted his system is tiki-taka. Attached is a snippet of a report by Athletic. Kompany clearly doesn't want to identify with tikitaka. And of course his system is possession-based too.

https://theathletic.com/3344962/2022/06/20/vincent-kompany-burnley/

Again you are not listening. The question is not whether Arteta played in a Barcelona system or not, the question is, does he deploy tiki-taka as Arsenal's manager? That his system is possession-based is not in question, but is it tiki-taka? Again what system is the prototypical tiki-taka or is close enough?

benji93:
Unfortunately, i have come to understand that you are not straightforward in your arguments. You are very evasive. If you ask me a question, I will answer and add some meat. You don't do that. You provide answers to a different set of questions. That's not good in any debate. It would be unfruitful. I go into an argument hoping to make headway. So if we have to have a debate about tikitaka, there has to be an understanding that we are talking about the same things, and as I usually say if we don't, we will keep talking past each other. I asked that because I wanted to know what your prototypical tiki-taka system was. You seem to throw out tiki-taka anytime a system is possession-based, in which case there are other systems that are possession--based but not tiki-taka. Besides Pep has long drifted away from the system he had at Barcelona. Kompany actually never admitted his system is tiki-taka. Attached is a snippet of a report by Athletic. Kompany clearly doesn't want to identify with tikitaka. And of course his system is possession-based too.

https://theathletic.com/3344962/2022/06/20/vincent-kompany-burnley/

Again you are not listening. The question is not whether Arteta played in a Barcelona system or not, the question is, does he deploy tiki-taka as Arsenal's manager? That his system is possession-based is not in question, but is it tiki-taka? Again what system is the prototypical tiki-taka or is close enough?

Now you brought this up to try and say he, Kompany is different from Guardiola.

However, will you say Guardiola's Barcelona did not play with impact? Will Messi have scored those amount of goals and Barcelona dominate teams with loads of goals without playing with impact?

Kompany is actually echoing Guardiola's idea. Guardiola does not like the tiki taka term because there is more to the game than just passing. He did not say my Barcelona team was just passing. Guardiola was pointing out that the team did more than just passing.

That is why I coined that team possession heavy football.

benji93:
You did not get the joke. I didn't intend to post any article. How many top 4 teams in the top 5 major leagues use tiki-taka? Don't use stats "they are taking over", "top of the league" blablabla. . Bullshit. The season is not over. Come to me at the end of the season when we have a better picture. Before we continue, how many coaches in the past 10 years have consistently deployed the tiki-taka system?

benji93:
Unfortunately, i have come to understand that you are not straightforward in your arguments. You are very evasive. If you ask me a question, I will answer and add some meat. You don't do that. You provide answers to a different set of questions. That's not good in any debate. It would be unfruitful. I go into an argument hoping to make headway. So if we have to have a debate about tikitaka, there has to be an understanding that we are talking about the same things, and as I usually say if we don't, we will keep talking past each other. I asked that because I wanted to know what your prototypical tiki-taka system was. You seem to throw out tiki-taka anytime a system is possession-based, in which case there are other systems that are possession--based but not tiki-taka. Besides Pep has long drifted away from the system he had at Barcelona. Kompany actually never admitted his system is tiki-taka. Attached is a snippet of a report by Athletic. Kompany clearly doesn't want to identify with tikitaka. And of course his system is possession-based too.

https://theathletic.com/3344962/2022/06/20/vincent-kompany-burnley/

Again you are not listening. The question is not whether Arteta played in a Barcelona system or not, the question is, does he deploy tiki-taka as Arsenal's manager? That his system is possession-based is not in question, but is it tiki-taka? Again what system is the prototypical tiki-taka or is close enough?

TheGoodJoe:


My take is that we switch to a highly offensive 4-4-2 system similar to what Pellegrini did with Manchester City

Pellegrini does not play with wingers but two creative midfielders taking slightly wide positions. I think Guardiola refers to it as the false 8 position. Leaving running lanes for the full backs to join the attack from time to time.

This enables the false 8s, I prefer calling them false wingers to help supply the forwards ammunition.

The position will clearly suit Iwobi.

The roles Silva and Nasri played under Pellegrini.

komekn:


Deceitful fraudster creating your own self birthed narrative, using primary school psychology.

You think if you keep repeating a LIE then you can create a truth . It's delusional, illusory truth effect keep repeating the lie to create a truth from Falsehood.

You NEVER quote my posts in context of the rebuttals response, and or the post o am responding too , you even omit the dates. That's a big CON taking text out of its context to support your false narrative.

You clearly lack the capacity and understanding to appreciate my write up , I apologize that it is incoherent to you. I assume certain level of education, I am clearly mistaken , where you are concerned.

charlesemeka85:
you forgot nwakali? Myopic fan like you

ChrisKels:
Are there some good players to look out for in this Ladan Boso's flying Eagles team, abi make we mind our business?

maidaboi:
Daga

benji93:
Unfortunately, i have come to understand that you are not straightforward in your arguments. You are very evasive. If you ask me a question, I will answer and add some meat. You don't do that. You provide answers to a different set of questions. That's not good in any debate. It would be unfruitful. I go into an argument hoping to make headway. So if we have to have a debate about tikitaka, there has to be an understanding that we are talking about the same things, and as I usually say if we don't, we will keep talking past each other. I asked that because I wanted to know what your prototypical tiki-taka system was. You seem to throw out tiki-taka anytime a system is possession-based, in which case there are other systems that are possession--based but not tiki-taka. Besides Pep has long drifted away from the system he had at Barcelona. Kompany actually never admitted his system is tiki-taka. Attached is a snippet of a report by Athletic. Kompany clearly doesn't want to identify with tikitaka. And of course his system is possession-based too.

https://theathletic.com/3344962/2022/06/20/vincent-kompany-burnley/

Again you are not listening. The question is not whether Arteta played in a Barcelona system or not, the question is, does he deploy tiki-taka as Arsenal's manager? That his system is possession-based is not in question, but is it tiki-taka? Again what system is the prototypical tiki-taka or is close enough?

TheSuperNerd:
Based on the midfield options we have, capped and uncapped, there is one midfield 3 that can bring out the best of this 3-man frontline in a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 but Most Nigerian fans as always are myopic and aren't ready for it because they don't even know what will work for the team.

Simon, ideally, won't even start in our strongest tactically/technically balanced 4-3-3. His place is on the bench.

daveP:
Having two players like Khava and Odegaard behind them on a national team level without even a top coach is already doom for any African team right now.

daveP:



When he upgrades, I'll be less myopic

Danielnino00:


IMO, it isnt the lack of options in midfield that's affecting the team,.. it's picking the right players and formation..
Nwakali might just be what we need,but the reality is that he won't get called up anytime soon...

ChrisKels:
Are there some good players to look out for in this Ladan Boso's flying Eagles team, abi make we mind our business?

TheGoodJoe:


Look at this excerpt from the article you posted, and look at this comment I made in March 2021. It shows where Kompany got the 4-4-2 variation to his play from and will make you understand how deeply I understand this systems.

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The front four

In possession, Anderlecht’s formation looked more like 4-2-4 or 4-2-2-2 because Kompany gives his four attacking players the licence to roam and float.

A problem Burnley had with the 4-4-2 system was the disconnect between midfield and attack, with their two strikers isolated. Kompany is keen to avoid that — his wide midfielders tend to operate centrally and more closely to the forwards.

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https://www.nairaland.com/3018619/super-eagles-thread-road-afcon/10335#100102172

This will enable understand how in-depth I am with this stuff.

Finito.

Mujtahida:

Why should you 'win' the argument. Therein lies the need to play you tiki taka. Hope you get my point

daveP:


Exactly. Just iwobi right now. Dunno about Eze situation sha, but Onyedika is doing well. Will be glad if he syncs asap.

benji93:
I will ask again and I want you to say it for everyone to hear. You no dey answer questions straight. Before you write another essay, read my question carefully. Your entire account here did not connect Kompany's system to tiki-taka. You are only trying to demonstrate you know what he deployed at Anderlecht and now at Burnley. We can discuss that another time. However, that's not the question at all. The question is does Kompany deploy tiki-taka? Pls answer Yes or No, then explain.

benji93:
I will ask again and I want you to say it for everyone to hear. You no dey answer questions straight. Before you write another essay, read my question carefully. Your entire account here did not connect Kompany's system to tiki-taka. You are only trying to demonstrate you know what he deployed at Anderlecht and now at Burnley. We can discuss that another time. However, that's not the question at all. The question is does Kompany deploy tiki-taka? Pls answer Yes or No, then explain.