TheGoodJoe:


All these one you are talking is long story. My point is simple the art of dribbling today is not dead.

Welcome to the PASTORE SHOW.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU0HGRjj3Ow

Marjoribanks:

Like who? You just keep attacking JP for no just cause.

Ekong said Paserio gave them identity! I would rather align with the players than hearsay! Iwobi was not outstanding today.
He scored a beauty, yes but he lost a lot of balls in vital area and missed some glorious chances.
Iwobi left Everton cos he wants to play in midfield. Fulham used him there for few games but decided to push him to the wings.
No serious coach would play Iwobi on the wings for Nigeria.
JP created a formation that would allow our best players thrive and they did get to the final. A team people like you did not give a chance.

Give JP his derseve dues!

The 1994 team was outplayed by the Ivorians in the semis and Zambia in the finals yet that same team is called the best Nigerian National team ever.

TheGoodJoe:


Why do you think Guardiola kicked him first out of Barcelona? Those disco stuff won't excel.

Marjoribanks:

Like who? You just keep attacking JP for no just cause.

Ekong said Paserio gave them identity! I would rather align with the players than hearsay! Iwobi was not outstanding today.
He scored a beauty, yes but he lost a lot of balls in vital area and missed some glorious chances.
Iwobi left Everton cos he wants to play in midfield. Fulham used him there for few games but decided to push him to the wings.
No serious coach would play Iwobi on the wings for Nigeria.
JP created a formation that would allow our best players thrive and they did get to the final. A team people like you did not give a chance.

Give JP his derseve dues!

The 1994 team was outplayed by the Ivorians in the semis and Zambia in the finals yet that same team is called the best Nigerian National team ever.

TheGoodJoe:


Why do you think Guardiola kicked him first out of Barcelona? Those disco stuff won't excel.

daveP:


😂😂😂😂😂

mostob:
The Disco stuff brought him so much fame and laurels.

Philosopher1979:


Guardiola sold ronaldinho because he had lost his form and he lacked discipline not because of his style of play. He was a bad influence on messi.
As per ronaldinho he had end product. He scored numerous goals and made countless assists for barcelona.
As per end product I'm not an expert but even in the olden days the old players had end product. Pele scored over 1000 goals. Garincha had a lot of assists. Brazil never lost a match when garincha and Pele played together. Zidane Platini haf a lot of assists preassists creative passes and crucial goals. End product was even part of olden days football. Aba even jarzinho scored in every match of the 1970 World Cup.
Zico, secretes etc had end product. Even Maradona at Mexico 86 and napoli had a lot of goals and assists. In fact ronaldinho had 313 goals and 187 assists. If stats were taken for chances created and pre assists I'm sure it will be amazing

Neymar has 434 goals and 248 assists.
So in my humble opinion end product had always been a part of football from the beginning till now

TheGoodJoe:


Why do you think Guardiola kicked him first out of Barcelona? Those disco stuff won't excel.

Philosopher1979:


Guardiola sold ronaldinho because he had lost his form and he lacked discipline not because of his style of play. He was a bad influence on messi.
As per ronaldinho he had end product. He scored numerous goals and made countless assists for barcelona.
As per end product I'm not an expert but even in the olden days the old players had end product. Pele scored over 1000 goals. Garincha had a lot of assists. Brazil never lost a match when garincha and Pele played together. Zidane Platini haf a lot of assists preassists creative passes and crucial goals. End product was even part of olden days football. Aba even jarzinho scored in every match of the 1970 World Cup.
Zico, secretes etc had end product. Even Maradona at Mexico 86 and napoli had a lot of goals and assists. In fact ronaldinho had 313 goals and 187 assists. If stats were taken for chances created and pre assists I'm sure it will be amazing

Neymar has 434 goals and 248 assists.
So in my humble opinion end product had always been a part of football from the beginning till now

forgiveness:


Because he was already old and partied alot. Even your Messi dey dance disco but he still left him. Why?

Odunayaw:
In my opinion Europe isn't blessed with the flair of South America.

It is also evident in music.

TheGoodJoe:


I am saying these guys have those skills but football today do not play to the gallery. Football today is really driven by effectiveness. So these guys don't gallivant with the ball, does not mean the art is dead.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb4X0TFsMkQ

TheGoodJoe:


That is brilliant dribbling.

Odunayaw:
It is not for nothing Alcantara said this:

Liverpool star Thiago Alcantara slams football and lists the four problems with it




https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-thiago-alcantara-hates-football-24355616

Katcall:
if i slap you. Neymar that showboat all the time

Odunayaw:


I am not surprised by your cherry picking. It's your forte.

That "opportunity to turn" that you latched on is a quote of his own words to buttress his thoughts that continues in that article



You can't turn English and grammar on its head just to suit your bias.

The point is that moments of individualism that players used to get out of trouble has been replaced with pass-abouts and not the nonsense you're trying to suggest.



Prove that the dribbling of this "old football" was headless.

Na you still run go pick videos of players that embody the old art

Odunayaw:
Exactly what I told him the last time we had this discourse

Philosopher1979:


Guardiola sold ronaldinho because he had lost his form and he lacked discipline not because of his style of play. He was a bad influence on messi.
As per ronaldinho he had end product. He scored numerous goals and made countless assists for barcelona.
As per end product I'm not an expert but even in the olden days the old players had end product. Pele scored over 1000 goals. Garincha had a lot of assists. Brazil never lost a match when garincha and Pele played together. Zidane Platini haf a lot of assists preassists creative passes and crucial goals. End product was even part of olden days football. Aba even jarzinho scored in every match of the 1970 World Cup.
Zico, secretes etc had end product. Even Maradona at Mexico 86 and napoli had a lot of goals and assists. In fact ronaldinho had 313 goals and 187 assists. If stats were taken for chances created and pre assists I'm sure it will be amazing

Neymar has 434 goals and 248 assists.
So in my humble opinion end product had always been a part of football from the beginning till now

forgiveness:


Do you mean Ronaldinho will not have the room to disco dance you in this modern era?

Today players are less talented except Messi and Ronaldo.

charlesemeka85:
My boys 🔥🔥

Kog45:
Eagles need a very tactical coach….Aina was injured but JP still used him and very evident that Osimhen was overused.Abi no be the same Iwobi again.

Napoleon55:

I would not even include Messi,Ronaldo and Neymar jnr. in group of morden era players that Thegoodjoe have been singing about.
They were supposed to have retired.

Is an insult to the game of football by Mr Goodjoe to say that the great players like Ronaldo de lima,Zidan,Maradona,Baggio,
Ronaldinho,etc. played against inferior defenders such as Maldini,Canavaro,Carlos compared to modern defenders.
That's why they were able to dance disco and dribble pass them.
He even said there were headless dribble like the one Maradona dribble the English team for '86 world cup.

Mujtahida:

Chris Waddle, a reputed English international wrote an article for the Daily mail decrying the dying art of dribbling. TheGoodJoe wey never kick ball for amateur league said Waddle is just complaining. I laughed. Didn't argue with him on that because common sense teaches me to give credence to the opinion of the man who has done something and earned a name in it than an arm chair theorist who supports his theories with YouTube videos.

Be like to compare general with person wey don watch plenty war film.

Mujtahida:

I don't understand this talk about playing to the gallery. Did the great dribblers of the past play to the gallery? Mention five great dribblers who played to the gallery make I see as if Maradona, Pele, Savicevic, Stojkovic, Le Tissier etc were not purposeful in their dribbling? What was the end result of Maradona's second goal against England in Mexico 86? Did he not dribble to the goal and scored? Did you see this greats dribble senselessly? Was that how Ronaldinho dribbled?

Cos this idea of football being purposeful as exclusive to modern football is just an idea in your head. Football has always been purposeful - to win, to score goals. The essence of dribbling is geared towards achieving that purpose by breaking down defences to score a goal.

The only difference between modern football and old football is how they've gone about achieving that purpose - one choose to do so with flair and style, the other choose blandness. It's just like old architecture and modern architecture. The purpose is to house man but old architecture emphasizes beauty of form. Modern architecture doesn't give a hoot about all that. So you have your cold box modern shaped buildings. (old western and European styled public architecture as against modern buildings oo before we start arguing)

Napoleon55:

I would not even include Messi,Ronaldo and Neymar jnr. in group of morden era players that Thegoodjoe have been singing about.
They were supposed to have retired.

Is an insult to the game of football by Mr Goodjoe to say that the great players like Ronaldo de lima, Zidane, Maradona, Baggio,
Ronaldinho,etc. played against inferior defenders such as Maldini,Canavaro,Carlos compared to modern defenders.
That's why they were able to dance disco and dribble pass them.
He even said there were headless dribble like the one Maradona dribble the English team for '86 world cup.