JoeBlocks:
Excuse me, I'm not a manipulator of any truth, okay, amidst all the types of marriage we have in Nigeria, why did you use court marriage as a yardstick to base your premise on? Why didn't you use traditional and religious marriage? And you dare call me manipulator of the truth? Abegi bros. Chill for corner.

freecocoa:
It's not the same thing and quite frankly, I'm tired of going in circles trying to explain simple logic to you. How does abusing a minor and two consenting adults having sex compare? I know both are a crimes in Nigeria, I am only telling you that one shouldn't be.

Having freedom of association doesn't mean abusing a child, abusing a child, qualifies as a crime, because there is a "child" involved, a child cannot make decisions for himself, that is a sensible and just reason to criminalise child abuse. Or you going to ask me why a child shouldn't have the right to make decisions for himself too?

What is people's business with what two adults decide to do with their lives? If everybody over here will agree on the law being fair, why are we having this argument? Why are so many Nigerians gay?

People beat people up, of course, but it is nonetheless a crime , yet can be excused depending on circumstances.

Ain't no government going to India to tell them to quit polyandry anyways, neither do I see the US coming here to tell you not to marry more than one woman, and yes, they gave you good reason why you should let people be gay, you just don't want to see reason because you are blinded by so called religion/culture.

The law of bigamy discriminates against more than two people being in a marriage.

Oh! But that's the problem, there is no way it can be proven beyond every reasonable doubt, that consent wasn't influenced by religion/morality and I can't believe I have to reiterate this, some policies are beyond simple morality, this is one of such policies. The only way to be safe, is make a union between two people, so it is fair.

Hömosexuality is not about people's ways of lives or culture, if is about our humanity as a race.

There is a good reason, why it's not best for three people to be in a marriage.

Over time, it has been proven that monogamy is better and yes, polygamy has done a whole lot of damage, it will just be a waste of time, we arguing about it.

ValerianSteel:
For one Nigeria is not a theocratic state,Officially she is considered Secular.I have to use the court marriage which is sanctioned by the Nigerian Statehood through codified laws that govern the institution of marriage passed by the Nigerian parliament and upheld by the Nigerian judiciary.

JoeBlocks:
My point exactly, at the emboldened, who and who gave anybody the right to label a thing 'controlled substance?'

Believe me, if and when I decide to be sarcastic, you'll know.

freecocoa:
The courts, after looking at facts on ground.

Fundamental human rights are regarded as a set of legal protections, in the context of a legal system, where this system is based on the same set of basic fundamental and inalienable rights. This set of rights without presumption, apply to all human beings under such jurisdiction.

IRserveMyComent:
Did you just say their child? when did they give birth to her and how

JoeBlocks:
Now I get you, you're giving your opinion. I see. Then permit me to tell you that your opinion will not be taken into consideration, as it is not law.

How can a child make rational decision? Just like how can a man shagging another man's butthole be rational to us, and that's why it is criminalized. Hope you get me, we don't reason like you guys do!.


Same way it isn't any bodies business what three or more adults decide to do with their lives.

If everybody here in Nigeria admits that the law is fair in criminalizing homosexuality

, how/why is it your business to say the law is flawed, after all, your democracy which we copied advocates majority carries the vote.

I'd have kissed you for this, if not that you've been too damn opinionated.

There reasons can never be our reason, how do you expect one to reason with someone who have no culture or traditions, who revel in celebrating other people culture as their own. Lol.

Last time I checked, there is no crime in one being influenced by his culture, religion or even tradition, every one is influenced one way or the other, just like we were influenced into wearing shorts and mini skirt

So the only way to be safe, is to adhere to what one deem safe. Not listen to foreigners.

How is homosexuality about a people's way of life and culture, how is it about our humanity as a race? When all it has to do is "sex". Mind you, culture/tradition goes way beyond sex.

Be that as it may, what right have you to stop a man who wants to marry more than one woman? Its all his choice right, and the choice(s) of the women involved.

I suppose you can explain to me why a man will wake up one morning and decide to turn himself into a woman, or why he wakes up one morning and decide he is gay.

JoeBlocks:
Oh, I guess the facts are universal and generally accepted every where in the world?

Jolly good!. Now kiss me and stop debating...

freecocoa:
My opinion isn't law alright but it all starts with an opinion, don't conclude in haste.

Perhaps it's irrational because you don't want to be reasonable?

But everybody in Nigeria doesn't agree on this, plus it's starting to look like more Nigerians are involved in homosexual activities than they like to let on.

I like to be reasonable so I tend to hold onto my reasonable reasons, if you calling being opinionated, what can I say?

People borrow cultures everywhere, heck you borrowed his culture more than he did yours, example, your two key religions, the jokes on you my man.

But what you think is safe isn't, it is dangerous and barbaric, I don't see the difference between criminalising hömosexuality and killing twins.

I'm saying, being gay transcends culture/tradition, it is something that happens everywhere, so you don't handle issues relating to it based on your cultural and religious tenets. It is a human race issue, not cultural, so you can't say being gay, is a white man's culture.

The society where bigamy is illegal, understand that there is need for that law, that is why it's there, the US doesn't force people not to practice bigamy in their different countries if it is allowed. I don't see how I can explain why a man shouldn't have the choice of marrying two women again, ugh

Because he can decide to be who he wants to be, so long as he isn't hurting anyone.

freecocoa:
The idea that humans have such fundamental rights as human beings, transcends all jurisdiction but are reinforced in different ways, within different legal systems.

I'm not allowed to kiss you.

JoeBlocks:
Haste my ass. you'll have to wait in vain and witness the futility of your opinion.

Perhaps its irrational because you're shoving your opinions down people's throat.

How do you know this? Can you give evidence to back up your claim?

What can you say, you can say you like me and answer your pm.

Heck! We didn't borrow any thing, it was shoved down our throats because 'he' brainwashed us into believing our culture is archaic and primitive.

Same way I don't see the difference between accepting homosexuality and criminalising polygamy.



It happens everywhere base on the white man's way of influencing everything he does not like and agree with. Homosexuality can not be a human race issue because it has always been a man, and a woman, coming together to reproduce. It natural for a woman to make love to a man, conceive and give birth, but its unnatural for a man to give birth, have you ever heard of a man who gave birth?

The society where homosexuality is illegal understands that there is need for that law also. The U.S has been criticizing african countries that criminalize homosexuals. I never thought I'd ever say this, but "thank God for Robert Mugabe".

True that! So let him have his right to marry more than one wife, so long as he isn't hurting them.

JoeBlocks:
Why? Who and what law say you're not allowed to kiss me?

freecocoa:
Well, we'll see.

Again, ain't nobody shoving nothing down ya throats, live and let live.

You kept making reference to me, like you know I'm not Nigerian, I am Nigerian and the people people involved in homosexual activities I know, are more than enough evidence but hey! It's Nigerians we talking of, I've never seen a more hypocritical bunch.

And if I don't like you?

Of course you won't see the difference, your hypocritical culture/religion won't let you.

Even your holy books agree that hömosexuality, transcends different races, as does history.

Now, the only reason for sex is procreation? And I though I've heard it all.

Mugabe is a crazy old tyrant, like Obama is gay. Pfftt

But people are being hurt.

freecocoa:
Because I shouldn't, my relationship with a certain someone doesn't allow that, the laws governing that relationship says so.

JoeBlocks:
Indeed we shall.

hOkey dokey.

You're a Nigerian, living in Nigeria? Or you live abroad because the influence of the white man I sense in you.

And what if you do?

My culture, my religion? Perish the thought! I'm no way religious as I'm in no way traditional, heck, I can't even speak my own language edo, so what makes you feel I'm blinded by religion and culture?

Whose Holy Books? Mine, I don't have a Holy Book. Lol.

Heck No! And thank God is not the only reason, but you'll agree the main reason for sex is for procreation? The fun of sex I relish like a well prepared dish, such as you.

Hmm, I love the sarcasm... I'm starting to like you..

How are they being hurt?

JoeBlocks:
Well then, can you show me where the laws said so?

freecocoa:
It's a law between two people, sorry you can't see it.

JoeBlocks:
Now that's opinion, but it still doesn't stop me from trying...

freecocoa:
It doesn't matter where I live because, humanity, exceed places.

What if I like you? I guess we'll never know.

You've been telling me your laws on hömosexuality (which are drawn from religion/culture ) hömosexuality should be gay, now if you are not cultural or religious, why support such laws?

I don't know how you arrived at procreation, being the main reason for sex, I mean, people starting having the urge/need for sex, before they are ready to procreate, then there are people who don't want to and shouldn't procreate

Oh! You didn't like me but think I should like you and accept your pm? Yea right.

Children are being forced into marriages, women are being mistreated and so many other ills that come with polygamy.

freecocoa:
Yea yea.

JoeBlocks:
Aye, indeed it does, but still, where you live will definitely affect your sense of reasoning, thus, "your environment influences you", Which influence your humanity, thus making you exceed places.

Well there's no harm in keeping my fingers crossed is there?

On the contrary, I don't support such laws, I was only speaking from the perspective of the typical nigerian man, who is religious, as he is traditional.


Well humans are animals, and the reason why animals have sex if for procreation, our ability to think and reason, which makes us higher animals, made us see sex as something that doesn't necessarily have to do with procreation alone.

Oh my, I never said I didn't like you, did I? Nooo I doubt it, probably a misconception, so why don't you answEr the pm and see if I like you or not?.

I believe your premise is based primarily, on the africa culture and religious laws. Why don't you tell me the ills of polygamy using the West as your premise.

JoeBlocks:
LOL. There's no harm in trying, is there?.

Knightngale:

I read this news with shock and grief in my heart, a gay couple have been granted custody over a baby girl
How can two men look after a baby GIRL
I know she agreed to be a surrogate, but when she realized they were homosexuals, she changed her mind, she has a right to have a rethink when she realized that the child she carried in her womb for 9 months will live with two men who have inordinate cravings. How are we sure these pervs wont rape this child one day, sad day for humanity. Why should men be allowed to adopt female babies? makes no sense.


http://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2016/04/gay-couple-win-custody-battle-over.html

freecocoa:
In polygamy, there is cheating and cheating anyone should be a criminal offence.

Whatever makes you think it is your right to choose how many women to marry? Duh!

Being young can influence a person's decision on the grounds of naivety. The man can coerce the woman, her society/culture etc.

Of course she has the right to walk away, this is why measures should be put to ensure that everyone is treated fairly, however it goes down.

Maybe if men hadn't wanted the society be so cruel to women, it wouldn't be such a big deal to have more than one husband, then again, when you love someone, you wouldn't want to share.

You don't have the right to keep two women at once, you can divorce one and move on with the other, it is just left for the woman you leave, to understand she's better off without you, if you think you need another woman.

Cocaine is a harmful substance, an addict shouldn't be allowed to endanger his life and that of others.

Polygamy has caused a lot of bitterness for lots of people, children/women have been forced into marriages.

Nah, there isn't, cross them all you want.

Hmm, now, he's not homophobic, he says.

Yea well, some other animals do have sex for pleasure and animal sexuality is instinctive, so apparently, sex is a lot more than the need to procreate.

No, humans have sex because it is a basic instinct, this tells us that sex is not all about reproduction because, whether gay, bi, straight, trans, we all have this instinct, including people who can't make babies.

It doesn't matter whether you like me or not.

Well, Africa practices/practiced polygamy a lot, you can't blame me. Polygamy causes a lot of imbalance as there is one unmarried man for every polygamous bride taken by some other man and since women aren't enough to go round, girls are married off early.

A woman is forced to share her man/role as a wife, thereby making it easy for a man to ignore one wife if he falls out with the her, instead of working things out, forcing her into mostly giving into the views of the man.

Women in polygamous marriages are mostly there to make babies and cater to the need of the man, no time to develop themselves, like a woman with a good job and life will leave it to go be second wife to one man? I must say, polygamy promotes intellectual laziness.

Polygamy promotes jealousy and hatred as there is always the need to outshine the other wives and children, this can drive people to do things they ordinarily shouldn't.

As is with polygamy, the man is the one who wins, as he gets to take a wife, whenever he is no longer attracted to his first wife, probably cos childbirth has left her worn out or saggy in some places.

Polygamy messes with people's emotions and well being, all these and more are why it is rightly discouraged.

lepasharon:



You people need to read the story! The baby wasn't even from her egg. She was just the host.

Knightngale:
who did the fetus feed on before the baby was born, who birthed her? It's her baby too

elektra:


She does not have the right to have a rethink about somebody else's child.
She entered a legal agreement with them and she is obligated by law and morals to carry out her part of the agreement.
You are condemning homosexuality but encouraging injustice to the gay parents. Hypocrisy .

freecocoa:
It's not the same thing and quite frankly, I'm tired of going in circles trying to explain simple logic to you. How does abusing a minor and two consenting adults having sex compare? I know both are a crimes in Nigeria, I am only telling you that one shouldn't be.

Having freedom of association doesn't mean abusing a child, abusing a child, qualifies as a crime, because there is a "child" involved, a child cannot make decisions for himself, that is a sensible and just reason to criminalise child abuse. Or you going to ask me why a child shouldn't have the right to make decisions for himself too?


What is people's business with what two adults decide to do with their lives? If everybody over here will agree on the law being fair, why are we having this argument? Why are so many Nigerians gay?

People beat people up, of course, but it is nonetheless a crime , yet can be excused depending on circumstances.

Ain't no government going to India to tell them to quit polyandry anyways, neither do I see the US coming here to tell you not to marry more than one woman, and yes, they gave you good reason why you should let people be gay, you just don't want to see reason because you are blinded by so called religion/culture.

The law of bigamy discriminates against more than two people being in a marriage.

Oh! But that's the problem, there is no way it can be proven beyond every reasonable doubt, that consent wasn't influenced by religion/morality and I can't believe I have to reiterate this, some policies are beyond simple morality, this is one of such policies. The only way to be safe, is make a union between two people, so it is fair.

Hömosexuality is not about people's ways of lives or culture, if is about our humanity as a race.

There is a good reason, why it's not best for three people to be in a marriage.

Over time, it has been proven that monogamy is better and yes, polygamy has done a whole lot of damage, it will just be a waste of time, we arguing about it.

Knightngale:

I read this news with shock and grief in my heart, a gay couple have been granted custody over a baby girl
How can two men look after a baby GIRL
I know she agreed to be a surrogate, but when she realized they were homosexuals, she changed her mind, she has a right to have a rethink when she realized that the child she carried in her womb for 9 months will live with two men who have inordinate cravings. How are we sure these pervs wont rape this child one day, sad day for humanity. Why should men be allowed to adopt female babies? makes no sense.


http://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2016/04/gay-couple-win-custody-battle-over.html

TheDarknight:

Injustice of an inhuman law to a child's right to be raised without the right to be sexually independent?

Look for sense.