JoeBlocks:
You misunderstood me. I never said gays were responsible for where we are today. I only implied that open mindedness is among the reason why homosexuality invaded Nigeria.

All this, "I was born this way" bullshit doesn't even come to it.

Mindfulness:


Homo.sexuality has always been here. It is just becoming more visible now and I don't see how it is a problem or anyone's business. Does it hurt or harm anyone?

Mindfulness:


Homo.sexuality has always been here. It is just becoming more visible now and I don't see how it is a problem or anyone's business. Does it hurt or harm anyone?

JoeBlocks:
Nope. I doesn't. But if it has always been here, I believe back then something would have been done about it.

The thing is not whether homosexuality has harmed anyone, but what homosexuality tends to do to a person's mind. So, if you don't sEe it as a problem or anyone's business, you should ask why the West made it their business to criminalize polygamy.

JoeBlocks:
Nope. I doesn't. But if it has always been here, I believe back then something would have been done about it.

The thing is not whether homosexuality has harmed anyone, but what homosexuality tends to do to a person's mind. So, if you don't sEe it as a problem or anyone's business, you should ask why the West made it their business to criminalize polygamy.

Mindfulness:


1. What does homose.xuality do to a person's mind?
2. Are we discussing ho.mosexuality or polygamy?

TheDarknight:



Homosexuality has always been with us, true, as an isolated form of behaviour that was accepted and acknowledged for its absurdity.

In recent times the West have been pushing for it to be seen as a normal code of human conduct, nay with bullying and threats. Today it has reached the cancerous stages of same sex marriage which is one of the reason why it's everyone's business.

In all fairness, gays need help, if the West have invested 1/3 of the time and resources in radical therapy for helping gays it would have yielded for fruits instead of animosity.

The point of this thread-- gay couples preying on children is sickening and thoughtless.

Russia has since criminalised gay couples from adoption,

That's the way to go.

JoeBlocks:
1. It messes with ones ability to discern the conventional way for one to have sex.

2. We are discussing marriage.

shaybebaby:

JoeBlocks, I would like to say that whilst polygamy is illegal here in the UK ( the country I am familiar with) their laws still acknowledges it somewhat. How?, I imagine you are thinking.

You cannot get married to more than one wife in UK under English laws, that much is certain. But the state recognises that outside of the UK, customary laws in such places permit the practice.

If you get married in such a place under their customary laws and it is recognised as such, the UK will accept in their country that under the customary laws in your country, you have more than one wife.

So in that case, let's say you want to bring a spouse to the UK and you have more than one under the laws of where you are emigrating from, they are allowed to join you.

However once in the UK, under their laws if disputes were to arise, their rules would only apply to the one spouse you are legally married to. The others, have no legal standing because their laws does not cater to such. They would need to return to the place where the customary laws apply to resolve their issues there.

That is an example of open mindedness with reason. Take as many wives as your law accepts in your land, have them with you as long as you can cater for them but we will only recognize one as a lawful wife and afford just one the rights and protection under our laws.

Mindfulness:


So? How is it a problem?

There is nothing to discuss here. People should be free to practice polygamy if that is their choice. My two cents.

JoeBlocks:
It becomes my problem the moment they start convincing me why homosexuality is normal.

Then we are on the same page here. But be that as it may, its not so.

Mindfulness:

Ok.

Mindfulness:


How is a couple's marriage everyone's business?

Mindfulness:




It is your opinion that they need help and you are entitled to it but is is not for you to decide if other countries should spend their limited resources on fighting ho.mosexuality or cancer, AIDS or ebola - especially when they do not consider ho.mosexuality to be a disease.

Mindfulness:


How about African countries investing in research and therapy for a change? Why ask white people for everything?

Mindfulness:



How are they preying on children?

JoeBlocks:
Thank you.

TheDarknight:


When you attempt to redefine marriage from societal norms and seeks all its benefit, it becomes everyone's business. An aberration of nature has always been the business of all.

I have every right to so opine when America and Britain have ceaselessly bullied African government from passing the antigay laws and have employed their NGO's to spark controversies.

And quit the ratshit, gay is still a divided issue in the country where you're domiciled.
Comprehension, please!!! White folks are the ones forcing fagggotry down our throats, not the other way round. We're simply saying use your faggøtry campaign funds for something else. It will only generate animosity here

What kind of poser is this Why seek to adopt children when your very nature and preference is in stark contrast to procreation? Mindfulness? Mindfulness? Mindfulness?

Like I said, you are entitled to your opinion.

Russia criminalising adoption of children by homosexual couple is a fact and reality. It's not my opinion.

Mindfulness:


The pleasure is all mine.

JoeBlocks:
I would have blown you a kiss, but I want to be sure if you're male or female. Wouldn't want to send the wrong message across. Lol.

JoeBlocks:
I understand what you're saying. Its the same with Holland and some europeans states. But my grouse is, why didn't the law accord the other wife the same right, as recognizing her?.

shaybebaby:

Because their customs didn't evolve that way. They have made a small concession but when they ask you to do the same with gay couples, you scream "they are shoving it down our throats".
Fine don't legalise gay unions but can you allow them to exist peacefully? Like they have accommodated other customs as well.
What does it matter that they recognize her? You say you want to marry more than one spouse, the women in question specifically the second ones have agreed in accordance with their beliefs, they have said we respect your beliefs but OYO for you when shit goes south, you validate your union under customs foreign to us, allow those customs sort out your ish as well. That one is your problem not ours.

Mindfulness:


Did any Western country ask any African or Arab country to legalize gay marriages or was it simply about letting them live in peace?
I am not sure but as far as I remember it wasn't even about marriage BUT about the stopping of brutal persecutions and killings of homo.sexuals.

What I find interesting here is that the people who have a problem with homes.exuality never mention lesbians but always talk about two men.
We all know that many straight men will see nothing wrong with watching po.rn involving two women but will find it offensive when two men engage in se.xual interaction.

shaybebaby:

You know, I have been thinking the same. In the average nigerian's mind, gay=two men. Women don't even feature at all as you have pointed out.
How about bisexuality people?
The Indecency bit is the fantasy of the average hetero male, himself and two women who make out with themselves and him as well.
But will they admit it? Your guess is as good as mine

Ps, I'm going to.follow you since you are full of mindfulness, something I am trying to practice.

Mindfulness:




They don't need to admit it. The po.rn industry producing these films is the evidence. There would be no such films if there was no demand but there is plenty.





I try and it's worth it.
Following back.

shaybebaby:


Now if only more people would get on board, wouldn't that be near enough utopian?

freecocoa:
You know the funny thing is that, all these is in your head(s).

freecocoa:
Now it's godlessness, na this one go just annoy me now, like you are any better than those homos, what makes you better please?

Mindfulness:


Marriage has always been an evolving social construct and it will continue to evolve and change. There is nothing natural about marriage. It is a social construct.

Mindfulness:




Ho.mosexuality is a very natural thing. It has always existed across cultures and societies. Nobody chooses to be het.erosexual and nobody chooses to be hom.osexual. You just are.

Mindfulness:







African countries have voluntarily signed international charters to which the mentioned countries refer when they argue that the discrimination of people on the basis of their se.xual orientation is a deviation from what they have VOLUNTARILY signed.

Mindfulness:





Mind your language or I will end the discussion. I am not in the mood to deal with aggression.

Mindfulness:



[b]It does not cost any money for a president or any official to speak his mind. Hom.osexuals, however, have a very strong lobby and it is their choice to invest their money in the campaigns that promote the end of discrimination against them. [/b]You are free to invest your money in anti-campaigns. And nobody has forced anything down your throat.

Mindfulness:






Last time I checked, Nigeria had anti-gay laws so what is your problem?

Mindfulness:




Why do hete.rosexual people seek to adopt children even though they naturally cannot have any?

Mindfulness:




But it's your opinion that Nigeria should go the same way.

TheDarknight:
Marriage isn't evolving!!! The rites are. You're deceitful and deliberately obtuse. Marriage in its primitive forms have always been with man. Only the process evolves. Only the ceremony and mode evolve. That's why fagot_campaigners like you a deadly plagues to humanity. People of all cultures and time have always married. You'll sink so low to endorse gay marriage by saying marriage is a social construct and evolving. Hmn!!! Desperation.
. Homosexuality is a quirk of nature, it's very practice is anti-nature . it's a sickness. If you're one, get help. Children aren't born sexualised, they pick it up as they go.

Don't even go there!!! Not all charters of the UN are endorsed by or binding to all members.
All middle Eastern countries , Russia, China, several African countries aren't part of any resolution to endorse fagotry. You lie too much!!!

The anti gay laws was duly passed by our lawmakers and your Western overloards find it hard to accept.

Mindlessness, you're lost!!!!
My tone is a perfect reflection of the disdain I hold for faggøtry and it's campaigns. Get used to it!!! And you should know it's a criminal offence in Nigeria. If you say offline in Nigeria half as much as you say online, you'll have a lot to explain.
Please shut up!!!

Barrack Obozo Gay Obama and Mrs David puppet Cameron expressly told Ghana that aids will be withdrawn and grants denied if that country passed its antigay laws!!!

Stop getting emotional please!!!

Why are you advocating criminality in Nigeria cyberspace?

Dumb, irritating question!!! Heterosexual couples who adopt children chiefly when they become biologically unable to produce. They fück properly but are baren. Faggøts want to eat their cakes and have it.

They want what they deliberately stand against. They monetise children. How can two man fücking each other sought to raise kids as parents

Are you for real? To what extent are you willing to travel the road of intellectual and social depravity before you come down to reality?

Since gay is illegal in Nigeria, it isn't an opinion, it's reality in being.

Mindfulness:


[s]There is history of recorded same-sex unions around the world.[2] Various types of same-sex unions have existed, ranging from informal, unsanctioned relationships to highly ritualized unions.

A same-sex union was known in Ancient Greece and Rome,[2] ancient Mesopotamia,[3] in some regions of China, such as Fujian province, and at certain times in ancient European history.[4]

Same-sex marital practices and rituals were more recognized in Mesopotamia than in ancient Egypt. The Almanac of Incantations contained prayers favoring on an equal basis the love of a man for a woman and of a man for man.[5]

In the southern Chinese province of Fujian, through the Ming dynasty period, females would bind themselves in contracts to younger females in elaborate ceremonies.[6] Males also entered similar arrangements. This type of arrangement was also similar in ancient European history.[7]

An example of egalitarian male domestic partnership from the early Zhou Dynasty period of China is recorded in the story of Pan Zhang & Wang Zhongxian. While the relationship was clearly approved by the wider community, and was compared to heterosexual marriage, it did not involve a religious ceremony binding the couple.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions
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Mindfulness:



Google is your friend.

Mindfulness:





[s]All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

THE UN Charter, Art. 1




Rightly so!

This is what Nigeria has signed:

Article 2.

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3.

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 5.

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 7.

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

[/s]
Even if you argue that gay people are NOT NORMAL as in not mentally sound, you have no right to hurt or discriminate against them.

Mindfulness:




Your tone is a reflection of you not being in control of your emotions. Stop insulting your upbringing and behave yourself.

Mindfulness:




It is their right to withdraw whatever aid they offer if you behave in barbaric ways.

Mindfulness:



Me?
Stop projecting.

Mindfulness:



Call the cops.

Mindfulness:



[s]
So heteros.exuals do not engage in an.al se.x? [/s]

Mindfulness:




Many of them are better qualified to raise children than you with your gutter language.



And whether it is right or wrong remains an opinion.

TheDarknight:
When you got something better than wiki , I'll take you up. For now, you've proven to be unable of sieving weed facts from opinion on the internet.
Please we don't don't do wiki.

Go get me facts from your Google searches where same sex marriage was a norm in practice and generally acceptable in ancient societies.

And don't come back we blogs either.

You just made it your enemy.
My dear, don't be a legal bonehead!!! What you just quoted doesn't in any way negate our sovereignty to make laws at the domestic level.

If you sold yourself cheaply to Western idealogy for fleeting approval, you do not expect Nigeria to give away her sovereignty in exchange of wheat and aids.

Russia is not only a member of the UN, she's a perment security council member, she is also anti gay and anti homosexual and she passed a law last year barring favgot Americans from adopting children from Russia.

Should I begin to list countries who are members and signatory to the UN charter and still have residual laws prohibiting faggøtry?


You clearly do not know when international laws stops at the sovereign gates of member countries.

A true example of a witless African stall-fed with empty Western ideology.

Yes, you make me retch. You conjure up so many vile and hideous things in me.

I'm actually wondering at your physical and mental sanity. Forgive me if your uniqueness overwhelms me


How can a deviant talk to freeborn in this manner.
Baby, you and the West are fugitives of nature.


Preach sanity not divorce, faggøtry and lesbianism.

There's a huge divide between humans and animals.

You make me think evolution is walking overdrive in reverse gear.



For whom?

What has heterosexual anal sex got to do with same sex marriage and two regurgitated scums seeking to raise a daughter?
Gay couples shouldn't be allowed to come within 2 cubic feet of children. That includes you.

You're the exemplification of dirt, absurdity, distortion and perversity.

The worst of me is a heap lot better than the best of you.

Never forget you're a deviant, a cancer to little boys and girls.

TheDarknight:
When you got something better than wiki , I'll take you up. For now, you've proven to be unable of sieving weed facts from opinion on the internet.
Please we don't don't do wiki.

Go get me facts from your Google searches where same sex marriage was a norm in practice and generally acceptable in ancient societies.

And don't come back we blogs either.

You just made it your enemy.

My dear, don't be a legal bonehead!!! What you just quoted doesn't in any way negate our sovereignty to make laws at the domestic level.

If you sold yourself cheaply to Western idealogy for fleeting approval, you do not expect Nigeria to give away her sovereignty in exchange of wheat and aids.

Russia is not only a member of the UN, she's a perment security council member, she is also anti gay and anti homosexual and she passed a law last year barring favgot Americans from adopting children from Russia.

Should I begin to list countries who are members and signatory to the UN charter and still have residual laws prohibiting faggøtry?

You clearly do not know when international laws stops at the sovereign gates of member countries.

A true example of a witless African stall-fed with empty Western ideology.

Yes, you make me retch. You conjure up so many vile and hideous things in me.

I'm actually wondering at your physical and mental sanity. Forgive me if your uniqueness overwhelms me

How can a deviant talk to freeborn in this manner.
Baby, you and the West are fugitives of nature.

Preach sanity not divorce, faggøtry and lesbianism.

There's a huge divide between humans and animals.

You make me think evolution is walking overdrive in reverse gear.

For whom?

What has heterosexual anal sex got to do with same sex marriage and two regurgitated scums seeking to raise a daughter?

Gay couples shouldn't be allowed to come within 2 cubic feet of children. That includes you.

You're the exemplification of dirt, absurdity, distortion and perversity.



The worst of me is a heap lot better than the best of you.


Never forget you're a deviant, a cancer to little boys and girls.

shaybebaby:

Because their customs didn't evolve that way. They have made a small concession but when they ask you to do the same with gay couples, you scream "they are shoving it down our throats".
Fine don't legalise gay unions but can you allow them to exist peacefully? Like they have accommodated other customs as well.

What does it matter that they recognize her? You say you want to marry more than one spouse, the women in question specifically the second ones have agreed in accordance with their beliefs, they have said we respect your beliefs but OYO for you when shit goes south, you validate your union under customs foreign to us, allow those customs sort out your ish as well. That one is your problem not ours.

JoeBlocks:
1. It messes with ones ability to discern the conventional way for one to have sex.

2. We are discussing marriage.

Mindfulness:


Wikipedia includes references to scholarly articles but NO PROBLEM!

Same-sex precedence

Ancient Romans, or at least Roman men with power and wealth, could marry same-sex partners, said Elizabeth Abbott, author of "A History of Marriage" (Seven Stories Press, 2011).

Mindfulness:


Emperor Nero (ruled A.D. 54 to A.D. 68) castrated a boy named Sporus to make him womanlike, and then married him in a traditional ceremony, which included a bridal veil and a dowry, according to the Roman historian and biographer Suetonius (circa A.D. 69).

Mindfulness:


Emperor Elagabalus (ruled A.D. 218 to A.D. 222) married Zoticus, a famous male athlete, and referred to his slave, a man named Hierocles, as his husband, Abbott said.

There are also texts referring to lesbian relationships, but not marriages, in ancient Rome, Abbott said. Perhaps these women did not have enough power or influence to actually marry, she said.

"Wealthy, powerful men in ancient Rome could do it, and find ways of doing it because they were rich and powerful," Abbott told Live Science. However, it doesn't appear that same-sex marriage was widespread in ancient Rome.

"In other words, it was a thought people had," Abbott said. "But there were very few people who were actually able to do it."

In another instance, some Native American peoples, such as the Crow, participated in same-sex marriages, although their culture likely viewed it another way, said Helen Boyd, a lecturer of gender studies at Lawrence University in Wisconsin.

Some Native American societies accepted the idea that some people have "two spirits" (the term "berdache" is also used, but some people consider it offensive). People with two spirits had both maleness and femaleness inside of them, and could marry someone who was the same biological sex, Boyd said. [10 Wedding Traditions from Around the World]

For instance, a biological male with two spirits could live as a woman and marry a man, Boyd said.

http://www.livescience.com/50725-same-sex-marriage-history.html

Mindfulness:


Your choice. I couldn't care less. I can switch you off in less than a second.

Mindfulness:




Irrelevant! You said that Western countries are bullying you and forcing something down your throat when your governments VOLUNTARILY signed the charter that is against the discrimination against and brutal persecution of people who have not committed any crime.

Mindfulness:


I have not sold myself to anything. I make use of logic instead of emotions.




And so?



What difference would it make?
It is still wrong to persecute people based on what they choose to do with their bodies and private lives.



You clearly have no respect for human rights.



I would rather follow Western ideology than backward, underdeveloped African ideology of a country that is not even able to build efficient and stable power supply infrastructure in the 21st century when white people are already experimenting with robots and artificial intelligence. There she goes!!!! Everyone!!! She just told us why she'll masturbate with every tool that the white man left behind. She never new Africans started the technological phase with sand hydraulics, until Babylonians and then ancient Greek, the West only introduced quantum physics and already the Orientals of China, Korea and Taiwan are taking over. It's a phase baby. Learn and grow.

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I would much rather look up to these countries than to countries who ask Westerners to provide vaccination for diseases that are only to be found in their part of the world.

Mindfulness:





























You were the one spewing the rubbish that there is only one proper way to engage in se.xual intercourse and you were the one implying that only gay couples engage in ana.l intercourse.

Mindfulness:



You are entitled to your opinion but it is just an opinion based on sentiments.



What else will you tell us about your upbringing? By now we know that civil debates were not on the agenda and good manner neither.