vicadex07:


Nigerians and generally Africans are innately selfish. The power brokers that can actualize this so called regional government are the ones benefiting most from this present system.

Why do you think Jonathan delayed the report and and actualization of the contents of the sovereign national conference till the end of his tenure despite having the time, resources and go ahead from major stakeholders...one answer for that - Greediness and selfishness. He never envisaged he would be out of power anytime soon and so was reluctant to implement a system that will incapacitate his office despite the fact that his region will benefit from it the most even after he must have left the post of a president.


meanwhile, your moniker is weird. Care to explain?

inzaghi1:
Federalism’s Disadvantages

Critics argue that federalism falls short in two ways:

Prevents the creation of a national policy: Nigeria does not have a single policy on issues; instead, it has plenty policies, which often leads to confusion.
Leads to a lack of accountability: The overlap of the boundaries among national and state governments makes it tricky to assign blame for failed policies.

Citizen Ignorance

Critics argue that federalism cannot function well due to ignorance. Most Nigerians know little about their state and local governments, and turnout in state and local elections is often less than 25 percent. Citizens consequently often ignore state and local governments, even though these governments have a lot of power to affect people’s lives.

saintdennis:


Smh! Later you will claim u got excellent comprehension skills.

The keyword there is CAN cause...I never opined it WILL cause a WW.

So wtf is your line of rebuttal for?

Also for you to dismiss the idea of WW3 happening is concrete proof of naviety.
Anyway end of discussion.

DEAFandDUMB:


Nice one dear.. You are very correct with your submissions..

Meanwhile my username is weird I agree but not the weirdest around here.. Or you think otherwise?

vicadex07:


yes but other weird monikers I know also have wierd and crazy personalities like smellymouth, smellyanus and irunobo but you on the other hand seem cool headed which is in parallel with the weirdness of your moniker...

forgiveness:



Well, I think you tailored your point to leadership which I think is very important but you neglected the other side necessary for electing good leaders.

[b]
You can't give what you don't have.
Enlightenment don't fall from heaven
It is propagated by the Illuminati esque (leaders)
We can't all be a Galileo or Newton or Einstein or Mandela
But we can benefit from their sacrifice of shared knowledge




[/b]

Let me first of all answer and ask questions from what you wrote above.


You said the land is there for cultivation, right?


And solid minerals

Please, tell me I pray you, how many states have 4 millions hectares of land to plant Palm oil?

Does that stop them from utilising the 100 thousand they have.
Or investing in other states that refuse to use theirs in return for lease (Shebi they want easy money)


What about states that do not have Land for industrial agriculture such as Bayelsa, Lagos etc, what should they fall on?

Have you been to the Niger delta.
They have Land
Fishing trawlers with requisite training comes to mind instead of okada and taxi sharing.


How much does it cost to go for Industrial Agriculture?

As little or as much as you can afford.
Ask the white farmers in kwara
As much as I loathe saraki I have to give him props for that move


What is the federal allocation of each state?

Between 40 and 178 billion


How much will remain after paying salaries, spending on capital projects etc?


You start somewhere
Preferably since the 60s
Hectare of Palm oil prolly 200 k
1000 hectares 200 mill won't buy a house in asokoro or Dubai that all governor's commissioners senators reps seem to be able to share to girlfriends

Or do they just forget about paying salaries and other important projects and focus only on farming with the Federal allocation?

See above



With such investment, who protects or secures the investment, I hope you are are aware of the herdsmen, kidnappers(you must have heard about Olufalaye) etc?

Who protects the farm in your village
Do cows eat Palm oil or cocoa


Is it with the Federal government police that got paid by the Federal government money and that has no stake in the investment, whether the investment fails or succeeds, he kwonchin them?

Then sack them or have them transferred to maiduguri
They will sit up sharp sharp
Or give them yearly gift


Who will invest in such hostile conditions?


Mtn is investing
Dstv is investin
Dangote is investin
Ibo boys are investing
Everyone is not a coward


2, About rail, Don't you know what they call economic right, in fact fundermental human rights (freedom of conscience and thought, right to some measure of economic well being and a good standard of living) where you are free to think big and dream bigger?
I am giving you big thinking
You're the one looking for excuses
Not govt


Is it a sin to think big and excersice your right or execute your dream?

It is a sin not to start small
Or to remain small after starting


Don't you think it is a way of improving the standard of living and the economic of a state?

Yes it is but Christine manufacturing have higher multiplier effect


Does the government gives total freedom to build and run a railway system in a state?

No he not there will be confusion
But no state has offered to get a concession for bugs operate and transfer. Or simply buy coaches and locomotives to utilise the existing infrastructure
1 train a day is not it
At least 2 or 4 an hour


Does the other states desires to have such system?

Michael Jordan did not wait for others
Malaysia Singapore Korea are not waiting for you
Awolowo did not either
Why should you wait for others



3, Who built Ikeja, Ilupeju, etc industrial estates in Lagos and Oluyole etc industrial estates in Oyo State?

State govt


Under which system of government where they built?

I think under the late premiers


4, Can the state produce its own light?

Yep


Who frustrated the Lagos State government under the leadership of Tinubu from building one? Why?

Obj


Can generator or whatever Dangote is using to power his private business be commercialised?

Yes
Not easy
Not flexible
But yes



4, whose duty is to build refinery some years ago and why?

The duty of who needs it most
If we ajjtwagt for somebody to do stuff
Nobody will


Can the state build one considering the amount left after paying salaries?

kelechi17:
northerner Fulani alert

OlujobaSamuel:

abeg, I love your submissions, but pls you don't have to insult anyone because you have differed view.
@op, nice one, I have a very strong feeling that this op is a representative of the government of the day, I hope they will take the submissions here into perspective.
to me, our major problem is laziness and not the system we practice.

No, but I'm working towards being a representative of my people
Never a rep of govt
I'd rather be a militant

I will love to use Lagos as an example, I want to avoid the ss or north due to sentiment attached.
The generated revenue for the first quarter of last year during a period of boom when there election funds flowing here and there, Lagos state generated about 20billion less than what was generated this year during a period of crisis.
In my view, it's about the attitude, we need to change our attitude towards the nation before we talk about system, I want to assume majority of us here are less than 35years of age, so we never experienced the regional system(pls nothing like true or whatever federalism, we are only giving it the definition that soothes our narrative) we once had, what is our perception about people of other tribes or ethnic group, how much do we trust them, how do we see the minority in our domain?


There is no perceptio
I have Ibo brothers
Hausa brothers
South south brothers
Fulani
And sisters too o
So it is politicians using mass psychology against us
It is up to we the learned to reverse this



our system of government is not the one that makes the civil servants in bayelsa to be lazy, nor the one in osun not to go to farm nor the one in zamfara not to send that baby girl to school nor the one in abia not to see anything wrong in giving you a commodity below what you demand.
We just need to appreciate our system first, then we seek for alternate system to perfect the imperfections, but no one is trying to make this system work.

Oracle16:



Your reasoning is so archaic. It's your kind that has kept Nigeria at this level.

Oracle16:



Your reasoning is so archaic. It's your kind that has kept Nigeria at this level.

Stevez32:


Your last sentence underlined how dumb you are. So fashola was governor during obj's tenure? Do you live in a cave?

Standing5:
Use ur brain bros n stop using stupíd example of a father not paying your sch fees.

I am using my brain
You however don't have one so don't know the difference


Why didn't aregbesola pursue his 'profitable' cocoa or cashew nut venture when oil sold for record high amount? Why is he investing in cocoa when now that the state is in debt? Use ur brain and stop advancing silly argument.





Look up at my name
Does it say aregbesola
Is it my fault that your govnor no send you and your chudren and you retardedly voted for him




You said "who held the people from farming?", the easy oil money did.

I'm sure you're one of those hungry chaps that gets a job in a bank and start buying tm shirt for 7 k and lease car instead of buying an asset that will bring money in.
Of course you would support such laziness


If the money wasn't there, people would be farming and the government would be supporting them with infrastructures like dams, irrigation and storages to boost profit and therefore tax with which to fund its activities if it didn't have alternative of easy oil money available.

49cents:


Necessity is the mother of invention

Your argument for pro-active citizenry is anything but realistic of practical.

Why do you think that kids from poor backgrounds use their talents more than their counterparts who never experienced hunger for a day?

chukuli:
u are an idiot

mikolo80:
just like you have salary work so no need to invest.
Shey you see I was thinking when I used the father not paying school fees analogy
And you were not
Just talking
Zero reasonin
If they put GMAT now you will start running helterskelter because you can't cram that one
It actually requires you to think
A skill that is sorely lacking in our youth today

masseratti:
i think alot of people have tried to ignore you on this thread after your debacle with that guy yesterday

O boy come my mention page and you will see that they're not avoiding anything
Just throwing insults very few counter arguments.
But I have unlimited mb and lots of spare time so I have their time


, but I understand your point of view, we ve had it all and we still complained, I dont know who complained in 1966 when Unitarian Government style was adopted,

As you stated the military complained on our behalf and we cheered them because politicians were stealing 10%



the military naturally used their own chain of command on the system and we became a unitary state, Nigeria is not the only country military took power and foisted their system of command on the structure, Ghana did but When Military left they went back to the previous system they had.
We are different people, if i cant go up north and have a bottle of beer the way i do here in the south

Their rules
You can't own a gun in New York as easily Florida or Texas
When I'm Rome.......


, we are not one,


Neither are they one in China Singapore Malaysia or India or even USA or UK yet they're getting on with it while you looking excuses and complaints

we differ in alot of things yet we deceive ourselves that we are one.
That's what makes us human
Are you all the same in your family
Even twins are they the same
Yet you make it work.
Trust me if the country breaks up the corruption and bad leadership will continue. Cos ife will fight modakeke. Imo will fight mbaise, Fulani will fight Hausa. All claiming marginalisation cop that's what incompetent ppl do. Blame somebody else.



Resources control, true federalism and let me add a true republic, bottom up development is the only way out.

masseratti:
i think alot of people have tried to ignore you on this thread after your debacle with that guy yesterday

O boy come my mention page and you will see that they're not avoiding anything
Just throwing insults very few counter arguments.
But I have unlimited mb and lots of spare time so I have their time


, but I understand your point of view, we ve had it all and we still complained, I dont know who complained in 1966 when Unitarian Government style was adopted,

As you stated the military complained on our behalf and we cheered them because politicians were stealing 10%



the military naturally used their own chain of command on the system and we became a unitary state, Nigeria is not the only country military took power and foisted their system of command on the structure, Ghana did but When Military left they went back to the previous system they had.
We are different people, if i cant go up north and have a bottle of beer the way i do here in the south

Their rules
You can't own a gun in New York as easily Florida or Texas
When I'm Rome.......


, we are not one,


Neither are they one in China Singapore Malaysia or India or even USA or UK yet they're getting on with it while you looking excuses and complaints

we differ in alot of things yet we deceive ourselves that we are one.
That's what makes us human
Are you all the same in your family
Even twins are they the same
Yet you make it work.
Trust me if the country breaks up the corruption and bad leadership will continue. Cos ife will fight modakeke. Imo will fight mbaise, Fulani will fight Hausa. All claiming marginalisation cop that's what incompetent ppl do. Blame somebody else.



Resources control, true federalism and let me add a true republic, bottom up development is the only way out.

Shewunoshewa:


I knew it!
You can never be a westerner. No true westerner will post like you do on this issue.

Pronounce jetawo and send voice note
We will know who the true westerner is.



What I am asking for in plain terms are these:
1. I want my state governor to have full control over all the solid mineral in the state. He be able to exploit and explore it as he deems fit and pay taxes to the FG instead of waiting for monthly federal allocation from the FG.

Ask na
Shebi you have majority control of the Senate and house of reps. Only you over 347 votes


2. I want my state governor to have control of the security of my state to a certain extent.

Tell him to set up private security firm to secure you
But get ready to pay for it in taxes.
Don't we already have lastma.
And you use vigilante when guns are needed


That's all!

This current system has failed!!

mikolo80:
nothing wrong with the system.
Everything wrong with the ppl.

BTW I insult only those who insult first
It's like Fulani herdsmen
If you don't react immediately it will embolden them to continue harassing ppl. Fire for fire

APRIDE:


They are:

1) Resource control
2) Free and fair election in its true sense
3) True separation of power

mikolo80:
what stops you from developing your community.
Do you even know how to do it unless you're a governor or president.
Even if you're a gov or resident I can bet my life that you haven't a clue in. You would go about it.

Go ahead
Enlighten me
I'm always willing to teach or learn
I have to cos power will soon reach us and I don't want to tell my chudrens about the good old days. The way our lazy parents did.

VERDA:


Inspector general of ATTACK,you are just attacking[b]

Correction I DEFEND myself from children with no home training
[/b]
everybody[b]
Every single bastard that attacks me first

[/b]
and opinions[b]
I have a right to disagree with opinions and state mine and if the other person doesn't like it they can say so or ignore but if they insult me I will retaliate with unlimited data and lots of spare time

[/b]
without regards to whether they are good points or not,laziness will always be present,its our second nature,although we can transcend it,the fact that the present politians are greedy does not stop us from enthroning true federalism

OK enthrone it





Enthrone it na
I'm waiting



Easy to say isn't it.
Who will cell the cat.
I'm suggesting realistic solutions while most of you just dreaming and wishful thinking

I've been guilty of this in the past
But it's time to wake up
The baton will soon be handed to us.
Y'all best be ready for the work ahead
Cos we've got our work but out for us
All this grammar you're all speaking will not get us anywhere


which is the best system for a multi ethnic nation as ours,the present system breeds,suspision,ethnic sentiments


America has Jews, Muslim, Christian, different types of Christians, Italians, Irish, Chinese Nigerian Haitian,... You get the point

China same
Malaysia same
India same
UK same
Singapore same
They are all-moving forward
Your still making excuses



and nepotism

Every country has nepotism or you think it's just anyone that becomes a politician in America. Do not be deceived it's the same everywhere.


which is major fuel for corruption,we as humans will always have flaws that need to be fixed,that should not stop us from fixing the system.Even if angels come to rule us,our progress however significant will still be slow in comparison to what would have been obtained with true federalism.

DEAFandDUMB:

Is the Govt so blind to see and so daft to understand the true meaning of a Federal Republic? Why would the Govt wait for the citizens to demand True Federalism?


Why do you think this present administration is against restructuring the system?? Their slogan is change and I strongly believe that if the masses can unanimously demand for true federalism, am sure the govt. will have no lesser option than to succumb...

multikolour:


For you to say fashola was opposed by obj/PDP, shows how daft you are.

for your information FASHOLA became governor of Lagos state 2007 by then yar'adua was the president.

vicadex07:


Nigerians and generally Africans are innately selfish. The power brokers that can actualize this so called regional government are the ones benefiting most from this present system.

Why do you think Jonathan delayed the report and and actualization of the contents of the sovereign national conference till the end of his tenure despite having the time, resources and go ahead from major stakeholders...one answer for that - Greediness and selfishness. He never envisaged he would be out of power anytime soon and so was reluctant to implement a system that will incapacitate his office despite the fact that his region will benefit from it the most even after he must have left the post of a president.


meanwhile, your moniker is weird. Care to explain?

tk4rd:
If you are in a ship that is about to sink, and there are no other ship around for you to jump over, and it happens that you have a solution to the sinking ship; but the captain and his crew and all persons onboard are so ignorant, would you prefer to sink with them.??

I've already gotten off the ship
I'm shouting from the other ship
because I can't swim
I'm organising life jacket so I can swim back to take the helm.




You think you know so much?

No I don'
But I think I know a little more than you on this subject cos I studied it. Y'all just regurgitating what y'all overheard or were taught.


Then enlighten us.

What do you want to know


Stop telling a fool that he is a fool, it won't make him to stop being a fool, rather you are wasting your own time.


Only replied fools that attacked first


We nigerians are complaining about the present system because the states have limited access to the control of the natural resources within them,

Does the state have limited access to farmland
Do the states have limited access to Abuja (min of mines and steel, there's one in every state o)
Do the states not know where to apply for refinery licence or not.
Do they know where to apply for oil bloc or not.
There is no restricted access.
There is controlled access.
Who is in control if not the politicians


and they are clamouring for fedralism so as to gain adequate control of the resources

Dangote is not a state yet he is controlling limestone he PAID for. PAID NOT DEMANDED OR WISHED OR DREAMT, PAID. what are the states doing with their money. Going to Dubai and building billion naira mansions in Abuja and lekki


. But since you said that the "system" is not the problem, what then is the problem? And what is the possible practical solution?

DEAFandDUMB:
Having studied all the views submitted so far by our great noble technocrats, I can boldly say that what we all are craving for is a better Nigeria with a sustainable development.. But the approach to follow is what am kind of finding difficult now.. Should we go by the way of restructuring? But will that put an end to the uprises both in the North (book haram) and South (NDA). Ideal federalism happens to be a viable option but the disadvantages seems to be more disastrous then even what we are facing now cos if some states becomes too powerful, they might start comtempleting on testing their might on weakers states or even the centre.. Then I remembered one comment that said something about our attitudes towards our dear country, which I believe is part of the reasons we still where we are now and then i sat and thought over it and later came up with this single question.. Can Nigeria ever be great again if we the citizens always see it as dying patient without any hope of recovering.. Let's try to do our part in making Nigeria and her system a workable reality...
Thanks all..
One Love..

tk4rd:
If you are in a ship that is about to sink, and there are no other ship around for you to jump over, and it happens that you have a solution to the sinking ship; but the captain and his crew and all persons onboard are so ignorant, would you prefer to sink with them.??

I've already gotten off the ship
I'm shouting from the other ship
because I can't swim
I'm organising life jacket so I can swim back to take the helm.




You think you know so much?

No I don'
But I think I know a little more than you on this subject cos I studied it. Y'all just regurgitating what y'all overheard or were taught.


Then enlighten us.

What do you want to know


Stop telling a fool that he is a fool, it won't make him to stop being a fool, rather you are wasting your own time.


Only replied fools that attacked first


We nigerians are complaining about the present system because the states have limited access to the control of the natural resources within them,

Does the state have limited access to farmland
Do the states have limited access to Abuja (min of mines and steel, there's one in every state o)
Do the states not know where to apply for refinery licence or not.
Do they know where to apply for oil bloc or not.
There is no restricted access.
There is controlled access.
Who is in control if not the politicians


and they are clamouring for fedralism so as to gain adequate control of the resources

Dangote is not a state yet he is controlling limestone he PAID for. PAID NOT DEMANDED OR WISHED OR DREAMT, PAID. what are the states doing with their money. Going to Dubai and building billion naira mansions in Abuja and lekki


. But since you said that the "system" is not the problem, what then is the problem? And what is the possible practical solution?

tee10:


Am very happy for Malaysia.
[b]
Are you, that's so nice

[/b]However Nigeria is not Malaysia, clearly we do not have parliamentary democracy with a federal constitutional monarchy as d case in Malaysia
[b]
What's the difference with presidential system

[/b]Here its practically impossible for one man to hold such powers
[b]
I agree
Jonathan did not have the power to cancel primaries
Obj did hold pdp by the scruff of the neck
Tinubu is not not riding roughshod on Nigeria's back
Saraki is not the alpha and omega in kwara
I won't even mention fayose

[/b]Planting cash crops is not the only route to develop Singapore did it without planting much crops
[b]

Which one is Nigeria doing
They did Tinapa for una
Una cripple am
Which other excuse
[/b]Yes Dangota used NEPA and generators before he finally switched to generating his own power ( all ds have a huge cost implication)
[b]
D billions wasted on state universities and empty airports and not needed flyovers nko. They do not have cost implication abi

[/b]I agree with you on point state govt are not imaginative or creative enough

Like I said u are d intellectual handicapped one here, u shamelessly throw Fashola's name around, if u must know he an advocate of True federalism
[b]
Who true federalism advocate don epp?
Yet you claim to possess intellect
Intellect is not using big words
It's solving problems
Professors can't get toilets to flush in their faculty.
Is that the intellect that will develop Nigeria.
Toilets fa.

[/b]His efforts were continually sabotaged by d over bearing FG he partially succeed cos he has a large economy to leverage/ bargain with, unlike most other state
[b]
There were options
He decided that he will only face one way
He has a large economy because he has a large population
Why will ekiti compare it's igr with Lagos
Will you compare your wedding with dangote child
But your boat according to your cloth.
If Lagos does 100 roads
You do 15
This excuse mentality is why you will become a governor and achieve nothing

[/b]Your harlot mother certainly did not train you child, better face you studies in Malaysia.
[b]

Your bastard mother definitely dropped you on your head on purpose trying to abort you
[/b]NB: Homework 4 u : Go get d 1999 constitution and read

Read up on Tinube/ Fashola's tenune in Lagos

Study Federal structure in Germany, Canada and United States

Then u and I can have a debate

Ebubeslym:

Mr, you've been dancing around this thread spewing half truths and insulting anyone who has a different view.
.
Your opinion must'nt be right always.
Learn to accept corrections.