opeaceo:
Someone needs a validation from ME I guess??

hahn:

You guessed wrong
Long time. Hope Jehovah has been good to you

lordnicklaus:
I am almost done with religion. I feel like I have been robbed or possibly duped of my freedom.
My sense of reasoning is beginning to tingle, even the thought of the so-called hell fire doesn't scare me.

I have considered some things that are impossible in the nature of things and which betray the thinking power of a rational mind.

I have also considered the possibility that God allows sufferings just to prove Himself

. Even the design of certain creatures shows that things including suffering and chaos were planned from the onset (speaking with the probability that God exists). Seriously, if you wanted a peaceful world, why would you give the scorpion a sting or give the eagle a claw?

This actually proves that God knew that peace wasn't gonna last and that one day, the scorpion would need its sting to defend itself.

If God exists, He should reveal Himself through easily grasped means and not revealing Himself to a set and leaving the others in doubt. I am not in the position to disprove God's existence neither am I sure of His existence. Theists would jump in now and say I do not have a relationship with the creator.

A creator who plays deaf to prayers or blind to sufferings is not worth having a relationship with.

opeaceo:


I am actually right, yeap, how are you, and yes, Jehovah had been good to me.

Scholar8200:


But were these or any other used against ANY living being before the fall? Why is it that the Bible talks of a time when Lions will eat grass and not flesh? Obviously, God designed that all animals will eat the producers - plants alone!

I dont think so! For example, till date, the male mosquito does not suck blood though it has a proboscis! That tells you that part was not designed to suck blood.

As regards the highlighted, what do you mean by easily grasped means? Many have sought Him and found Him, what then? Even when Jesus came and did a lot of miracles those who refused to believe did not, what then?

Well, you have a right to make a choice! Accusing God of being deaf to prayers and blind to sufferings is surprising!!!

Man was made to dominate the earth, God gave Him that dominion and has not retrieved same from man. It was an order that He established which He will NEVER change or over-ride. When Adam fell and the dominion was lost, God would not suspend that order to save man, except He changed! I believe that order is the rationale behind prayer- unlike when God saw what needed to be done and did it, now God will only interfere when man wants Him to and calls Him to.

Hence, blaming God for sufferings on earth leaves much to be desired! Even when God became Man to redeem man, was HE exempted from these sufferings? Did He not die as a result of them?

Like I said, the choice is yours. However, it seems you are taking this decision due to a delay in a prayer request.Am I right?

hahn:


Good to know.

Don't forget to remind Jehovah of the 2,100, on average, that die daily of preventable diseases and poverty. It seems to have forgotten about them

opeaceo:


oooh, why do I need to remind him?? You've been thinking too hard on the issue?? Is it giving you sleepless night?? Leave the Christians to worry about it.

Scholar8200:
It should not be the rationale for believing in God in the first place!



Where did you get this idea from?

Like I said, the choice is yours. However, it seems you are taking this decision due to a delay in a prayer request.Am I right?

hahn:


The Christians worried about it and were able to create 33,000+ denominations

Mr Op......their is something called principle........."no matter who you are...your position.... What you have done for God....if your wife decided to poison your food.....such a person will surely die"......do you wana ask me why? .......the reason is if after the first time the woman poisoned her husband's meal.....the husband did not die....the next day...she will do the same...and if it continues....she will have it in mind that perhaps her husband is immuned to poison and will start adding more of it to the food"........and perhaps won't bother if the food her husband eats is poisonous or not........ If this happens to everyone.......don't you think people Will start eating poison knowing fully well they won't die......

what am I trying to prove here.....you said God allowed people die of hunger and diseases and he couldn't do anything to stop it........if by tomorrow....something powerful happens and everyone who is sick reqained their normal health and this conrinues.....you think people will worry about their health anymore....the privilege will surely be abused.....even if God shows himself to you today.....you will still not believe

lordnicklaus:
I am almost done with religion. I feel like I have been robbed or possibly duped of my freedom.
My sense of reasoning is beginning to tingle, even the thought of the so-called hell fire doesn't scare me. I have considered some things that are impossible in the nature of things and which betray the thinking power of a rational mind.
I have also considered the possibility that God allows sufferings just to prove Himself. Even the design of certain creatures shows that things including suffering and chaos were planned from the onset (speaking with the probability that God exists). Seriously, if you wanted a peaceful world, why would you give the scorpion a sting or give the eagle a claw? This actually proves that God knew that peace wasn't gonna last and that one day, the scorpion would need its sting to defend itself. If God exists, He should reveal Himself through easily grasped means and not revealing Himself to a set and leaving the others in doubt. I am not in the position to disprove God's existence neither am I sure of His existence. Theists would jump in now and say I do not have a relationship with the creator. A creator who plays deaf to prayers or blind to sufferings is not worth having a relationship with.
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lordnicklaus:
I am almost done with religion. I feel like I have been robbed or possibly duped of my freedom.
My sense of reasoning is beginning to tingle, even the thought of the so-called hell fire doesn't scare me. I have considered some things that are impossible in the nature of things and which betray the thinking power of a rational mind.
I have also considered the possibility that God allows sufferings just to prove Himself. Even the design of certain creatures shows that things including suffering and chaos were planned from the onset (speaking with the probability that God exists). Seriously, if you wanted a peaceful world, why would you give the scorpion a sting or give the eagle a claw? This actually proves that God knew that peace wasn't gonna last and that one day, the scorpion would need its sting to defend itself. If God exists, He should reveal Himself through easily grasped means and not revealing Himself to a set and leaving the others in doubt. I am not in the position to disprove God's existence neither am I sure of His existence. Theists would jump in now and say I do not have a relationship with the creator. A creator who plays deaf to prayers or blind to sufferings is not worth having a relationship with.

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lordnicklaus:
I am almost done with religion. I feel like I have been robbed or possibly duped of my freedom.
My sense of reasoning is beginning to tingle, even the thought of the so-called hell fire doesn't scare me. I have considered some things that are impossible in the nature of things and which betray the thinking power of a rational mind.
I have also considered the possibility that God allows sufferings just to prove Himself. Even the design of certain creatures shows that things including suffering and chaos were planned from the onset (speaking with the probability that God exists). Seriously, if you wanted a peaceful world, why would you give the scorpion a sting or give the eagle a claw? This actually proves that God knew that peace wasn't gonna last and that one day, the scorpion would need its sting to defend itself. If God exists, He should reveal Himself through easily grasped means and not revealing Himself to a set and leaving the others in doubt. I am not in the position to disprove God's existence neither am I sure of His existence. Theists would jump in now and say I do not have a relationship with the creator. A creator who plays deaf to prayers or blind to sufferings is not worth having a relationship with.

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lordnicklaus:
I am almost done with religion. I feel like I have been robbed or possibly duped of my freedom.
My sense of reasoning is beginning to tingle, even the thought of the so-called hell fire doesn't scare me. I have considered some things that are impossible in the nature of things and which betray the thinking power of a rational mind.
I have also considered the possibility that God allows sufferings just to prove Himself. Even the design of certain creatures shows that things including suffering and chaos were planned from the onset (speaking with the probability that God exists). Seriously, if you wanted a peaceful world, why would you give the scorpion a sting or give the eagle a claw? This actually proves that God knew that peace wasn't gonna last and that one day, the scorpion would need its sting to defend itself. If God exists, He should reveal Himself through easily grasped means and not revealing Himself to a set and leaving the others in doubt. I am not in the position to disprove God's existence neither am I sure of His existence. Theists would jump in now and say I do not have a relationship with the creator. A creator who plays deaf to prayers or blind to sufferings is not worth having a relationship with.

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lordnicklaus:
I am almost done with religion. I feel like I have been robbed or possibly duped of my freedom.
My sense of reasoning is beginning to tingle, even the thought of the so-called hell fire doesn't scare me. I have considered some things that are impossible in the nature of things and which betray the thinking power of a rational mind.
I have also considered the possibility that God allows sufferings just to prove Himself. Even the design of certain creatures shows that things including suffering and chaos were planned from the onset (speaking with the probability that God exists). Seriously, if you wanted a peaceful world, why would you give the scorpion a sting or give the eagle a claw? This actually proves that God knew that peace wasn't gonna last and that one day, the scorpion would need its sting to defend itself. If God exists, He should reveal Himself through easily grasped means and not revealing Himself to a set and leaving the others in doubt. I am not in the position to disprove God's existence neither am I sure of His existence. Theists would jump in now and say I do not have a relationship with the creator. A creator who plays deaf to prayers or blind to sufferings is not worth having a relationship with.

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johnydon22:


I would like to know what you want me to address here brother, you have laid out your situation but i do not know whether i am to address it or listen.

I have privately went through this same journey [conflict of faith and reason] with many people right here from nairaland who reach out to me out of confusion and frustration that comes with loosing faith and i can rightly say "it's not easy".

We all at some point went through such lonely desperate trek, it takes great pain to rid one's self of what you have held as truth all your life.

So if you have anything you'd want me to address, ask i will tender my opinion.

lordnicklaus:


I would like you to address the ignominies and opprobrius acts commited in the name of God. This thread needs your calibre of people, I mean smart thinkers.

johnydon22:


God(s) has never been able to strike or kill anyone outside story books, it has always been humans who talk, defend, fight and kill for God.

If i happen to believe in an "all powerful" God, i'd be ashamed to speak for a God who cannot do that for himself, fight and kill for a God who can't do it for himself.

If God wants to kill someone let him go ahead if he can, if he frowns at sex let him tell the people involved not be confined to words written in a book that is sorely ideas of fellow humans.

Only a man made God would need man to make himself/herself/itself known to man.

The evil acts done in the name of God are acts of human selfishness finding an excuse and reason in a divine authority, that rids them of the guilt of their actions.

that is one disturbing thing about such beliefs and religion, Glorification of the absurd and justification of gross abhorrence.

Like up to 4 billion glorify and justify a man who was retarded enough to attempt murdering his son, in fact 3 religions was built around him [Abrahamism is simply a disturbing glorification of stupendous abhorrence]

lordnicklaus:
Scholar8200, it is quite surprising you think I am actually posting this due to unanswered prayers. Though things are going fine with me but I write on behalf of others who suffer in this vast globe..... Because things go well with me and not with others doesn't make me satisfied. Infact it pains me when some theists say people who suffer and die are more righteous than I am but God loves me even as a sinner. The question that goes on in my mind is, doesn't God love those who died?
Also, you quoted from that primitive text called the bible which is actually a contradictory ideas of people who claimed they were inspired by the infinite boss of all knowldege yet there are inconsistences and discrepancies in a self acclaimed holy book. It even amazes me that there are similarities between bible text and earlier works such as Enuma Elish, Epic of Gilgamesh, Wisdoms of Amenemope e.t.c.
It shows that the bible was a borrowed idea and not independent as people claim. Besides, what makes you think there are no other gods existing? What would you do if you found out that Zeus or Enki was the true God? Besides, El which is the Hebrew for "God" is a Canaanite deity likewise Yahweh. So, the Jews picked a favorite God and dumped the others (Baal, Ashtoreth, Ashima). I am also disturbed by the ignominies and opprobrious acts commited in the Old Testament, all in the name of Jehovah.

My friend it is time we seek truth outside the bible. Before us is a world with hidden treasures. We just have to summon courage to dig it up.


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jiggaz:
Most times i wonder about the amount of hate and ridicule on Christ and Christianity...... and i came to the conclusion dat its because we are serving a living God..

Touchnot01:
Ive met several muslims turned atheists who also talk relentlessly about the God of the Bible and christianity. And i think its the same trend all over the world. Nobody wastes such time on a lie. I hope more christians begin to ignore this people and focus more on spreading the love of Christ.

herzern:
Mr Op......their is something called principle........."no matter who you are...your position.... What you have done for God....if your wife decided to poison your food.....such a person will surely die"......do you wana ask me why? .......the reason is if after the first time the woman poisoned her husband's meal.....the husband did not die....the next day...she will do the same...and if it continues....she will have it in mind that perhaps her husband is immuned to poison and will start adding more of it to the food"........and perhaps won't bother if the food her husband eats is poisonous or not........ If this happens to everyone.......don't you think people Will start eating poison knowing fully well they won't die......

what am I trying to prove here.....you said God allowed people die of hunger and diseases and he couldn't do anything to stop it........if by tomorrow....something powerful happens and everyone who is sick reqained their normal health and this conrinues.....you think people will worry about their health anymore....the privilege will surely be abused.....even if God shows himself to you today.....you will still not believe

Rilwon:
Nairaland is really doing a lot of damage to the Christian faith.

lordnicklaus:
I am almost done with religion. I feel like I have been robbed or possibly duped of my freedom.
My sense of reasoning is beginning to tingle, even the thought of the so-called hell fire doesn't scare me. I have considered some things that are impossible in the nature of things and which betray the thinking power of a rational mind.
I have also considered the possibility that God allows sufferings just to prove Himself. Even the design of certain creatures shows that things including suffering and chaos were planned from the onset (speaking with the probability that God exists). Seriously, if you wanted a peaceful world, why would you give the scorpion a sting or give the eagle a claw? This actually proves that God knew that peace wasn't gonna last and that one day, the scorpion would need its sting to defend itself. If God exists, He should reveal Himself through easily grasped means and not revealing Himself to a set and leaving the others in doubt. I am not in the position to disprove God's existence neither am I sure of His existence. Theists would jump in now and say I do not have a relationship with the creator. A creator who plays deaf to prayers or blind to sufferings is not worth having a relationship with.

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lordnicklaus:
I am almost done with religion. I feel like I have been robbed or possibly duped of my freedom.
My sense of reasoning is beginning to tingle, even the thought of the so-called hell fire doesn't scare me. I have considered some things that are impossible in the nature of things and which betray the thinking power of a rational mind.
I have also considered the possibility that God allows sufferings just to prove Himself. Even the design of certain creatures shows that things including suffering and chaos were planned from the onset (speaking with the probability that God exists). Seriously, if you wanted a peaceful world, why would you give the scorpion a sting or give the eagle a claw? This actually proves that God knew that peace wasn't gonna last and that one day, the scorpion would need its sting to defend itself. If God exists, He should reveal Himself through easily grasped means and not revealing Himself to a set and leaving the others in doubt. I am not in the position to disprove God's existence neither am I sure of His existence. Theists would jump in now and say I do not have a relationship with the creator. A creator who plays deaf to prayers or blind to sufferings is not worth having a relationship with.

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iamDiabolic:
Op I feel you bro.I have always wonder why someone would pray to God morninf,afternoon,night nd still work,still someone doesn't have anything to show for it,it got to a time should I say I was going crazy or starting to have biopolar,I was thinking maybe I have wrong God in a very big way he can't forgive me or am I possesed,cause I pray for his forgiveness nd I still don't feel anything.
I think God actually allo suffering to prrof himself nd showoff that's why you would see people say 'I thank God for my own oh' when they see blind,amputated people,or when someone dies they would still thank God nd call him God of wonder,or when the see albino or dwaft people they would be like God his full of wonder do u know what this people go through,do u know how much they suffer.still God keep creaying them that way to prrof he his full of wonder,whu can't he perform wonder nd stop terrorism