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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 9:03am On Jun 13, 2020
nemesis8u:


Last pic

4 control sticks for a helicopter shocked

The pilots must be real busy while flying it


i'm curious about the use of 5th stick that look like a hand brake system in red

for basic helicopter flight controls we have 4 controls :

in blue cyclic stick ton control movement of the helicopter forward, back, and laterally.
in green collective pitch control to Increase and decrease the angle of rotor blades to ascend or descend with a twist grip throttle on it to regulate engine rpm
in orange Anti-torque pedals to control sideslip angle

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by GabrielYulaw(m): 9:36am On Jun 13, 2020
chkil1:


i'm curious about the 5th that look like a hand brake system in red

in blue cyclic stick ton control movement of the helicopter forward, back, and laterally.
in green collective pitch control to Increase and decrease the angle of rotor blades to ascend or descend with twist grip throttle on it to regulate engine rpm

Flying a helicopter is like trying to kiss 10 beautiful ladies at the same time sad

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 10:35am On Jun 13, 2020
Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Claims American Fighters Are Only Useful for Airshows - Why F-18s Can’t Fight Without Washington’s Permission


in an interview with Qatari news outlet Al Jazeera, Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad provided insight into his country’s experience operating American manufactured F-18 Hornet fighter jets and the considerable limitations imposed on operations by Washington . The Royal Malaysian Air Force currently operates three classes of fighter, including the high end heavyweight Russian Su-30MKM as its most modern platform and small numbers of older medium weight F-18 and MiG-29 platforms. Mahathir noted regarding the terms imposed by the U.S. on clients for its fighter aircraft that the source codes for the jets were not provided , meaning: “we cannot program the plane for any attacks against other countries without getting the programming done by Americans. So although the planes are very good, in terms of performance very powerful engines, but we cannot program the plane by ourselves. You have to refer to the United States for putting the program for any raid on foreign countries for example. So our planes were costly. We have them. We can fly them at airshows. But we cannot use them to fight any other country because we don’t get the source code.”

Mahathir further elaborated: “The way they treated Malaysia as a buyer of the F-18, we find that the planes are only good for airshows. But we cannot program it for, say, attacks against other countries or for any other use. That is the experience of Malaysia. But I suspect that other countries also did not get the source codes… the planes are not really a weapon that you can control. The control is with the Americans.” He noted that European states may be provided with source codes, but indicated that few non-Western states would, and that even munitions for the F-18s could not be purchased to update the aircraft without approval from the U.S. government. The interviewer thus concluded that clients for F-16 of F-18 fighters “can only use them against targets designated by the United States, not targets that they themselves would like to hit.”

Mahathir’s statement has considerable implications given that Malaysia is currently considering purchasing a new generation of fighter jets to replace its F-18, MiG-29 and possibly even the Su-30. Kuala Lumpur has previously indicated an interest in the Russian MiG-35 and Su-57 next generation medium and heavyweight fighters, and Russia has offered to purchase its MiG-29s second hand to help offset the cost of a MiG-35 purchase. The Su-57 is likely to replace the Su-30MKM in future, although given the older platform’s still viable capabilities there is less of an urgent need to make such a purchase. While other countries operating the F-18 have sought to replace them either with the F-18E Super Hornet or the F-35A Lightning II platforms, the Prime Minister’s account of Malaysia’s experience with the Hornet indicates that future purchases of American fighters are unlikely. The F-18 could instead be replaced by more MiG-35 fighters, which are from the same weight range but have a lower operational cost and superior combat performance across the spectrum. Unlike U.S. aircraft, Russian fighters do not have similar restrictions on their use meaning countries can deploy them far more freely without political dependance on Moscow.

source : https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/malaysian-prime-minister-mahathir-claims-american-fighters-are-only-useful-for-airshows-why-f-18s-can-t-fight-without-washington-s-permission?fbclid=IwAR1XrkJnxHRDGhU48du5RbjPHnODmfw7NPSIRVFg3JpxW0t3ZiijEU9BDgg

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kemicalreact: 11:45am On Jun 13, 2020
chkil1:
Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Claims American Fighters Are Only Useful for Airshows - Why F-18s Can’t Fight Without Washington’s Permission



source : https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/malaysian-prime-minister-mahathir-claims-american-fighters-are-only-useful-for-airshows-why-f-18s-can-t-fight-without-washington-s-permission?fbclid=IwAR1XrkJnxHRDGhU48du5RbjPHnODmfw7NPSIRVFg3JpxW0t3ZiijEU9BDgg
What the Fvck shocked shocked

I also read that Egypt's F16s can't lock Israe.l Jets, how true is that

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 12:30pm On Jun 13, 2020
kemicalreact:
What the Fvck shocked shocked

I also read that Egypt's F16s can't lock Israe.l's jets, how true is that

dont think this funny story about egyptian F16 that can't lock israelian jets is real ! radars search and lock objects , missiles follow heat , radiations , radar echo target . i dont see how they can block it . and i dont think israelian will put all there jets IFF in a database inserted on egyptian F16's .

in the other hand . from facts , there is an agrement between US and israel that impose the Israel’s Qualitative Military Edge over all its neighbours in US military contracts . US sell downgraded versions to egypt ( in comparaison with israeli's versions ) . Egypt has requested numerous advanced weapons from the U.S. that have been denied or had their capabilities lessened . F-16s that the U.S. sold Egypt have limited capabilities, with low-grade Communications and navigations systems, and missiles were not GPS guided but laser guided, require costly modifications to software and weapons to comply with a non-CISMOA status . Instead of using the AIM-120 (AMRAAM) as its air to air missile, Egypt’s F-16s use the older AIM-7P Sparrow, which gives them a distinct disadvantage . and until 2018 egypt had refused to sign the CISMOA agreement . they signed it in 2018.

and with CISMOA agrement they can get advanced systems now , but it impose U.S. personnel to inspect Egypt’s military facilities, communications equipment, and platforms where CISMOA related items are stored, installed, and used. CISMOA related coding devices must be stored in U.S. approved security facilities and managed, maintained, and repaired by U.S. personnel, not Egyptians. U.S. would have de-facto control of this equipment, how it is used, and that it would allow the U.S. to access sensitive Egyptian platforms and information. In addition, under the terms of a CISMOA, if at war, the U.S. would request Egyptian military and logistics support, the use of Egyptian bases for U.S. operations, and Egyptian forces would effectively be under U.S. command.

you can read more about this CISMOA agrement to understant what the malaysian prime minister is talking about . so to get effective advanced US weapons you should drop your pants ! sign this CISMOA agrement and be under the control of US

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by GabrielYulaw(m): 1:09pm On Jun 13, 2020
kemicalreact:
What the Fvck shocked shocked

I also read that Egypt's F16s can't lock Israe.l's jets, how true is that


I wouldn't be surprised by that in the least. Israel is America's most beloved son and their lobby power is frightening. Check well, they alone have the power to make the most changes to the jets and armaments they buy and get from free from the US and Germany, like they have done with the JSF. Which other country did the US allow to make changes to their almighty JSF?

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kemicalreact: 1:11pm On Jun 13, 2020
chkil1:


dont think this funny story about egyptian F16 that can't lock israelian jets is real ! radars search and lock objects , missiles follow heat , radiations , radar echo target . i dont see how they can block it . and i dont think israelian will put all there jets IFF in a database inserted on egyptian F16's .

in the other hand . from facts , there is an agrement between US and israel that impose the Israel’s Qualitative Military Edge over all its neighbours in US military contracts . US sell downgraded versions to egypt ( in comparaison with israeli's versions ) . Egypt has requested numerous advanced weapons from the U.S. that have been denied or had their capabilities lessened . F-16s that the U.S. sold Egypt have limited capabilities, with low-grade Communications and navigations systems, and missiles were not GPS guided but laser guided, require costly modifications to software and weapons to comply with a non-CISMOA status . Instead of using the AIM-120 (AMRAAM) as its air to air missile, Egypt’s F-16s use the older AIM-7P Sparrow, which gives them a distinct disadvantage . and until 2018 egypt had refused to sign the CISMOA agreement . they signed it in 2018.

and with CISMOA agrement they can get advanced systems now , but it impose U.S. personnel to inspect Egypt’s military facilities, communications equipment, and platforms where CISMOA related items are stored, installed, and used. CISMOA related coding devices must be stored in U.S. approved security facilities and managed, maintained, and repaired by U.S. personnel, not Egyptians. U.S. would have de-facto control of this equipment, how it is used, and that it would allow the U.S. to access sensitive Egyptian platforms and information. In addition, under the terms of a CISMOA, if at war, the U.S. would request Egyptian military and logistics support, the use of Egyptian bases for U.S. operations, and Egyptian forces would effectively be under U.S. command.

you can read more about this CISMOA agrement to understant what the malaysian prime minister is talking about . so to get effective advanced US weapons you should drop your pants ! sign this CISMOA agrement and be under the control of US
shocked
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 4:35pm On Jun 13, 2020
Let's clear some misconceptions regarding source code


First understand this " nobody will share source code with anybody "

Why because if one does so , they have totally compromised their system and their capabilities current and future .

The Malaysian fellow has no idea what he is talking about , because if a nation buys a paltey no of f18s and expects the seller to give him the source code , it is pure baloney. No OEM will do that in the wildest of dreams.

2nd why did they buy the f18 if the source code was not given along the aircrafts. They bought the f18 inspite of knowing that the source codes will never be shared . So who is stupid and who is lying.

Irony is the Russians did not also share the source codes of su30 with Malaysia. Because nobody does .

Russia did not share the source codes even with ind..... who jointly developed the su30mki .

What they agreed to is modify their software to create an interface for only ind... specific systems with which ind.... software on other ind.. systems can interact with.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by GabrielYulaw(m): 6:25pm On Jun 13, 2020
nemesis8u:
Let's clear some misconceptions regarding source code


First understand this " nobody will share source code with anybody "

Why because if one does so , they have totally compromised their system and their capabilities current and future .

The Malaysian fellow has no idea what he is talking about , because if a nation buys a paltey no of f18s and expects the seller to give him the source code , it is pure baloney. No OEM will do that in the wildest of dreams.

2nd why did they buy the f18 if the source code was not given along the aircrafts. They bought the f18 inspite of knowing that the source codes will never be shared . So who is stupid and who is lying.

Irony is the Russians did not also share the source codes of su30 with Malaysia. Because nobody does .

Russia did not share the source codes even with ind..... who jointly developed the su30mki .

What they agreed to is modify their software to create an interface for only ind... specific systems with which ind.... software on other ind.. systems can interact with.




I might be wrong, but I remember reading that the US gave Israel access to the source code on the F-15 and F-16. Israel is also being allowed to modify the JSF in ways that no other country can. It hasn't been granted access to the source code as of yet, but it is likely to crack it or get it, cos it can do whatever it wants with nary a consequence.

I don't know about you, but you should have been aware that buying American weapons always comes with conditions. Like last year or so, Pakistan was accused of mounting missiles on its F-16s that it was not supposed to according to the agreement it reached with Washington and using these to shoot down an Indian Mig 21. I am sure you remember the incident.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 7:53pm On Jun 13, 2020
GabrielYulaw:


I might be wrong, but I remember reading that the US gave Israel access to the source code on the F-15 and F-16. Israel is also being allowed to modify the JSF in ways that no other country can. It hasn't been granted access to the source code as of yet, but it is likely to crack it or get it, cos it can do whatever it wants with nary a consequence.

I don't know about you, but you should have been aware that buying American weapons always comes with conditions. Like last year or so, Pak... was accused of mounting missiles on its F-16s that it was not supposed to according to the agreement it reached with Washington and using these to shoot down an Indian Mig 21. I am sure you remember the incident.

The Israelis did not get any source code with F16 and F15. Much like what Russia did for ind... , USA did same for Israel . Tweaked the specific software for a specific country for allowing interfacing with local software of external system(s).


Don't believe these wild stories you read

US people are stationed at pak.... bases for a specific reason . To make sure Chinese do not have access to the systems . Every thing is tallied and accounted for strictly every 3-6 months. US is not concerned with pak.. because pak.. do not have the competence to crack the encryptions or do reverse engineering. Even the Chinese will fail but still US don't take chances.


Which missile did pak.. mount on f16 which it is not supposed to do ? Chinese missiles ?

Bro you are much smarter than this to believe such co.ck and bull stories .

Only US/OEM allowed and importantly certified weapons r used on F16 worldwide. Even the Israelis will fail without US help to integrate new air to air missiles on f16 , pak.... is not even in the picture .

Incase you did not know amraam is a standard missile of f16 .

Mig 21 chased and went into a merge with pak... F16 inside pak... airspace and shot it down but his flank was exposed so another F16 locked on the mig and shot him down with an amraam.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:20pm On Jun 13, 2020
Lch

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 11:23pm On Jun 13, 2020
chkil1:


i'm curious about the use of 5th stick that look like a hand brake system in red

for basic helicopter flight controls we have 4 controls :

in blue cyclic stick ton control movement of the helicopter forward, back, and laterally.
in green collective pitch control to Increase and decrease the angle of rotor blades to ascend or descend with a twist grip throttle on it to regulate engine rpm
in orange Anti-torque pedals to control sideslip angle

A hand brake it is grin

For the rotor

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 9:44am On Jun 14, 2020
All 3 prototypes of luh

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 9:54am On Jun 14, 2020
Lch

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 9:56am On Jun 14, 2020
Price negotiations completed for lch . Lol took 4 years to do that SMH !

Initial 15 and future 165 nos expected to be ordered

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu3: 5:01pm On Jun 14, 2020
nemesis8u:
SSS rifles

DMR

ASSAULT

CARBINE

Someone pls tell me how the actual fcvk the antispam bot works,ARRGHH!?

GUN MAKING EDUCATION

Anyway,the past couple of months I've been looking for a good Gun Making vocational school or a uni with a Firearms Tech degree level course. The latter animal doesn't exist. You'd be surprised to note the US only has community schools offering gun smithing,basically repair,modification and maintenance but NOT ACTUAL MANUFACTURE.
The best schools are in Europe ,all vocational schools ,highly regarded in the field. With a diploma of Meister Buchsenmacher (Master Gunmaker) from any of these schools your employment assured,moreso with a biz/finance degree. These schools have 3 centuries of institutional experience and inhabit an economic cluster of associated industries from precision toolmakers to retailers,suppliers and hunting outfits buying their products and aerospace companies supplying the special light weight steel in barrels also used in plane manufacture. Most importantly they impart both hand and CNC machining tooling knowledge as well as grounding in metallurgy,ballistics and law.
Imo,this could explain why the best guns are almost always European. Why the US armed forces now uses Sig handguns and the specops have SCARs. Why are Glocks Austrian? When and what was the last real new wholly US made firearm? The Barret came out late 80s-since then Glocks,SCARs and the Alien Laugo have come out. In America now there are at last count 20 AR makers-WTF!? Limited creativity and ofc the captive patriotic buyers also account for this situation.

Here's the first school,ecole d'armurere (armourers school)at Benoith Fourneyron lycee in St.Etienne.

https://benoit-fourneyron.ent.auvergnerhonealpes.fr/#

Jean-Fraude,has produced some top quality firesticks for a lonnngg time,notwithstanding one of the first bullpups,the Bugle aka the FAMAS,made by MAS in the same city,btw.

This post is longer than I expected:will continue only if there's interest since I expect to cover the remaining 3 schools.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu3: 7:48pm On Jun 14, 2020
nemesis8u:
Mi 38

IIRC,one of our departed Saffas, frumentius , I think said it was good enough especially price and reliability but faced challenges in typically hot and High conditions.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu3: 7:52pm On Jun 14, 2020
S400:


sur ,

Notice the difference with analog cockpits. When digitalised the flyguys functions are much reduced as readouts are much easier.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu3: 7:58pm On Jun 14, 2020
nemesis8u:
Bharat 52 155/52 mm

Garuda 105/37 mm

to start trials in Saudi Arabia later this year

Once these guys unleash their checkbooks your arms makers are assured of DECADES of work! It should happen if you've no politics with delivery and good quality . Knowing how thoroughly your products are tested that's not an issue though those guns, in fact all the arty in the world, sadly won't save their arses from the self inflicted Yemeni goateff!

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Odunayaw(m): 9:30pm On Jun 14, 2020
Kikuyu3 bring it on!

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 3:41pm On Jun 15, 2020
NTRO

ELINT and SIGINT aircraft

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 3:55pm On Jun 15, 2020
NTRO

PHOTOINT and SIGINT aircraft

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 4:05pm On Jun 15, 2020
NTRO

ISTAR aircraft

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 4:12pm On Jun 15, 2020
shocked

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 4:15pm On Jun 15, 2020
The green light is a meteor buring in the atmosphere . Pic is from somewhere in ind...

Thousands of meteors enter the atmosphere but most burn up in the upper atmosphere itself , so it is rare to get a photograph of the same in the lower atmosphere.

The photographer was very lucky

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 5:22pm On Jun 15, 2020
Russia recently arrested a ex navy captain for selling submarine secrets to guess who ?

China grin

As far as I know , similar arrests were made since last decade but kept out of public due to concerns of deterioration of relationship with China.

First time they made it public in recent years.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 8:49pm On Jun 15, 2020

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 8:52pm On Jun 15, 2020
kikuyu3:


This post is longer than I expected:will continue only if there's interest since I expect to cover the remaining 3 schools.

Post away

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu3: 9:15pm On Jun 15, 2020
nemesis8u:


Post away

Got caught up unexpectedly. Give me another 12 hours. You'll have seen there's detail that can't be supplied in a single paragraph post.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu3: 9:59am On Jun 16, 2020
AAAARRRGGHHH! WTF!? I WAS JUST POSTING AND NOTHING HAPPENED. ITS VERY ANNOYING-GIVE ME ANOTHER 4 HOURS.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu1(m): 2:44pm On Jun 16, 2020
GUN MAKING EDUCATION 2 ,LYCEE BENOIT FOURNEYRON,ECOLE D'ARMURERIE,ARMOURY SCHOOL,ST.ETIENNE

This highly regarded gun making school at the Lycee teach the basics:
-hand tooling and machine tooling skills of wood and steel
-making weapons of increasing complexity from single shot to semi and full auto

Also the students regularly apprentice for 2 weeks in Gardone Italy,a gun making centre including Beretta though it could be Chiappa,Tanfoglio,Sabatti rifles or even FAMARS.

GARDONE VAL TROMPIA, Italy — Tucked away in a picturesque valley in the Italian Alps is the birthplace of most of Europe's small firearms — and Al Pacino's gun in "Scarface."

Surrounded by greenery and — key to its main industry — iron mines, Gardone Val Trompia, with around 10,000 inhabitants, is the Italian, European and world capital of firearms, producing 70 percent of the small arms (used for sport and hunting) used in the EU and 40 percent of those used worldwide.

In 2016, the valley's gunmakers sent 395,000 firearms to the United States alone.
https://www.politico.eu/interactive/in-pictures-italian-village-that-makes-worlds-guns-firearms/

Formerly the students were assured of employment at MAS,IN BUSINESS SINCE THE 1750s til it was bought out by government conglomerate,Nexter. These graduates are highly sought after all over-any firestick builder needing quality knows the Benoit Fourneyron ecole'd'armurerie graduates have their own brand.

There are still local gun makers in France like Chapuis armes,who make bespoke rifles (hand tailored to fit like suits) and Manurhin revolvers which even US shooters openly admit ishyts over anything they make. https://chapuis-armes.com/en/
It's solid enough to shoot 100000 + rounds-Colts and S&Ws would fall to piece at 40,000.
In fact, during the initial proof-of-concept tests, 170,000 full-power cartridges were fired through an MR73…and the revolver was still functioning perfectly when the tests were finally suspended.
GASSSPPPP!?
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-manurhin-mr73-sport-357-revolver/
Ofc,its 3x the cost of its US analogue but with that quality its a bargain and rivals the German Korth we'll see later.

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