nolongTing:

@Sagamite has a point, Nigerians need to learn a bit of SELF LOVE and SELF RESPECT otherwise we'll never progress! Now What he's saying is that the Ambassador has committed no crime and its hypocritical of the U.S authorities to prevent him from doing his job. So what do Nigerians say? 'Corrupt so and so', Karma, they agree etc which is so negative and wrong.

When George Dubya was president His Niece Noelle Bush was arrested for perscription fraud, and his twin daughters were arrested for under age drinking and using their grandmother's ID to attempt to buy alcohol, was he sacked? Dubya himself was arrested and found guilty of drink driving and found guilty! before he became president, was he prevented from doing his job? Hilary Clintons present husband took advantage of a teenager and received BJs whilst ordering the bombing of Sudan, was he sacked? was Hillary prevented from serving? Even Obama confessed to being hooked on drugs in his teenage years - no wonder he walks funny

Sagamite:

Constant, senseless and unwarranted use of this is really becoming The AMAKAristic . . . . . . . . . . i.e. psycho.

Chill with the use.

Sagamite:

Shut up!!!

They are Americans, they are superior to Nigerians. How dare you complain about their acts or even compare them to our degenerate selves. 

Kobojunkie:

. . . . . . .  in what you say or not say.  I really do not care!!

Kobojunkie:

. . . . . , , you think it bothers me when folks choose to narrow in on my use of that in hopes of getting under my skin?? nah!!!  roflmao!!!

Kobojunkie:

Scoring point as in stating the obvious is not scoring point in this case.

Kobojunkie:

The SON raped someone. You mentioned Palin’s DAUGHTER’s “bastard son” as your come back. Hence the reason why I asked how RAPE is on the same level as having a bastard child here. Get it?

Kobojunkie:

Well, uumm . . . . You may think that since the US turns a blind eye to the horrible ills in its very own society is enough reason why the US should lose all rights to decide whom to select and whom to deny. You are allowed to have your opinion and in this case, the US possibly does not agree with you. Don’t worry about my seeing sense in what you say or not say.  I really do not care!!

Oh wee. Its the Almighty US, isn't it? High on the morality ropes, decent gun control system, perfect society. . . that kindda thing. And no one dares disagree with them (ask Iraq) especially with its most special citizen - Kobojunkie.

nolongTing:

oh no! you've been converted!!!

Sagamite:

The son of the man we elected as Ambassador is ALLEGED to have commited a serious crime. BAD bleeping LUCK, no need to rant like if we are degenerates.

spikedcylinder:

Huh? I think your "rotflmao" would have worked here. No sense.

Has the case been tried? Or you're one of those that'll strap a man (specifically a black man) to a leather chair the moment you think he looks guilty?
Palin's grand child is a bastard, either you like to admit it or not.

Oh wee. Its the Almighty US, isn't it? High on the morality ropes, decent gun control system, perfect society. . . that kindda thing. And no one dares disagree with them (ask Iraq) especially with its most special citizen - Kobojunkie.

debosky:

There is little or no justification for the US action, if indeed that is the reason for the alleged rejection.

Adeniran's child is a legal adult and is solely responsible for his actions, with no reference to the father in the eyes of the law.

An ambassador's duty is to represent his country, and I don't see how Adeniran is incapable of doing that.

Now I'm not going to fall into the trap of trying to 'categorize' crimes (alleged or otherwise) nevertheless, others have held their positions even in the light of crimes committed by a family member.

Obama's aunt was living illegally in the US and that did not in any way affect the right or ability of Obama to govern. I see no justification for the US action in that regard.

A crime committed by an adult, completely unrelated to his father's role as an ambassador cannot be used as grounds to reject him. If anything, what should have happened is a decision by Nigeria to replace him with someone else in the light of the possible negative connotations that may arise with the attendant effect on Nigeria's image, not the US punishing the father for the (alleged) sins of the son.

Kobojunkie:

Please refrain from responding to any of my posts until  you actually spend time reading up on the OP, and the posts that followed up until where you came in. There is really no use continuing this if the response and reasoning above is what I am to expect.

Err, as I said before, you really need to practice what your preach.
This wouldn't have happened if you had ignored my post or anything to do with it in the first place.
Rotflmao!!!

davidylan:

Err i dont see the connection, Obama had very minimal contact with his aunt and probably did not have any knowledge of her immigration status in the country. If Obama's son was jailed as a rapist 2 weeks prior to the democratic convention you can bet he would not have been approved by democrats to stand election in Nov.

Sorry, the US is perfectly justified to refuse to accept Adeniran's posting.

davidylan:

Err i dont see the connection, Obama had very minimal contact with his aunt and probably did not have any knowledge of her immigration status in the country. If Obama's son was jailed as a rapist 2 weeks prior to the democratic convention you can bet he would not have been approved by democrats to stand election in Nov.

Sorry, the US is perfectly justified to refuse to accept Adeniran's posting.

Sagamite:



It is that mentality that made me post on the thread.

The only in Nigeria, our system must be useless, we are all criminals  . . . . . . . . .eventually arriving at the bus stop of the all singing, all dancing bandwagon of fools' choir of "Nigeria is a failed state".

The son of the man we elected as Ambassador is ALLEGED to have commited a serious crime. BAD bleeping LUCK, no need to rant like if we are degenerates.

We should be castigating the son for bring such shame on his father and family knowing what his father does for a living.

Only a ill-educated and visionless slowpoke would support the logic of visiting the father's sinful acts on a child and more likely require a cretin to do vice versa.

Kobojunkie:



_{kept modifying this so felt to make it a separate post.}
By the way, do you think Saudi Arabia, Iran, Or even Britain would accept an American Ambassador whose son was arrested for raping one of their gals? I don't think so. There would be a rally on the streets of the capital condemning america for such disrespect. In fact, all over the muslim world, there would be cries for the man's head in addition with that of his son's. So, PLEASE stop trying to make this ABOUT people thinking Americans are superior or that nonsense. It does not WORK HERE!!!

Sagamite:

Bollocks.

He was aware she was in the country for a very long time (he admitted to this much), and must have known she is not a US citizen.

Moreso are you saying Adeniran knew his son was somewhere raping women (if he did)?

debosky:

What contact does Adeniran have with his son? Can you tell us? Did Adeniran have knowledge of his son's alleged rape 5 months ago when he was approved as US ambassador?  

If Obama's son was jailed, he would have lost an election which is, in essence, a popularity contest. An ambassadorial position is NOT a popularity contest and should not be treated in the same manner.

I don't see anything valid in the US decision - it is overreaching and inappropriate.

Kobojunkie:

I am sorry @Nolongtime.


Where did you get the line in bold from?


Even Obamas brother is wanted here in England for RAPE!!!!!! Before he became president and he was allowed into the U.S and attended Obamas inauguration.

Obama's brother? Who? No need to resort of stupidity just so you can claim victory of some sort here.

nolongTing:

Oh! I guess you're post before this one was a case of temporary insanity!  

[size=13pt]Even Obamas brother is wanted here in England for RAPE!!!!!! Before he became president and he was allowed into the U.S and attended Obamas inauguration.[/size]

davidylan:

You're making assumptions, for instance i dont know the immigration status of several of my friends and distant family members in this country even though we do communicate. Being "aware" of her presence in the country does not prove anything, how is her presence here his business?

Be honest - if Obama's son were standing trial for rape would he have won the US elections?

I do not think so, many forget that countries reserve the right to revoke or refuse ambassadorial postings and some have done so for frivolous reasons. Adeniran's son is allowed to stay in this country through his father's diplomatic status (since he is below 21).

davidylan:

You're making assumptions, for instance i dont know the immigration status of several of my friends and distant family members in this country even though we do communicate. Being "aware" of her presence in the country does not prove anything, how is her presence here his business?

Be honest - if Obama's son were standing trial for rape would he have won the US elections?

I do not think so, many forget that countries reserve the right to revoke or refuse ambassadorial postings and some have done so for frivolous reasons. Adeniran's son is allowed to stay in this country through his father's diplomatic status (since he is below 21).

Kobojunkie:

Where to start with this one without having the OBAMANIACS in the house descending on me next. Roflmao!!!

@NolongTime, Is it possible that you have the WRONG idea of me here? Roflmao!!! Why in the world would I not want to believe what the world, and many tried to use against Obama back last year or so? I just never posted that line and have a problem with someone posting that I did.

Kobojunkie:


[size=13pt]Even Obamas brother is wanted here in England for RAPE!!!!!! Before he became president and he was allowed into the U.S and attended Obamas inauguration.[/size]

_{kept modifying this so felt to make it a separate post.}

By the way, do you think Saudi Arabia, Iran, Or even Britain would accept an American Ambassador whose son was arrested for raping one of their gals? I don't think so. There would be a rally on the streets of the capital condemning america for such disrespect. In fact, all over the muslim world, there would be cries for the man's head in addition with that of his son's. So, PLEASE stop trying to make this ABOUT people thinking Americans are superior or that nonsense. It does not WORK HERE!!!

debosky:

US has a right in principle do refuse a posting, no doubt about that - but if a criminal case is used as the justification, there must be a clear explanation of why that is the case. I don't think they can do that in this case, unless they are stating that the father is culpable for his son's crime.

debosky:

Can you show evidence of this? As far as I know, his son was in the US BEFORE any ambassadorial appointment to the US so what does his father's diplomatic status have to do with anything?

US has a right in principle do refuse a posting, no doubt about that - but if a criminal case is used as the justification, there must be a clear explanation of why that is the case. I don't think they can do that in this case, unless they are stating that the father is culpable for his son's crime.

Sagamite:

Am not correct in stating Obama was the one that provided her with the invite letter?

Secondly, she contributed to Obama's campaign which is against the law as she is not a citizen.

Adeniran knows as much of his son's supposed crime as Obama knows about her illegality.

debosky:

Can you show evidence of this? As far as I know, his son was in the US BEFORE any ambassadorial appointment to the US so what does his father's diplomatic status have to do with anything?

US has a right in principle do refuse a posting, no doubt about that - but if a criminal case is used as the justification, there must be a clear explanation of why that is the case. I don't think they can do that in this case, unless they are stating that the father is culpable for his son's crime.

davidylan:

Well according to the law a child under 21 can claim residence in the US as long as one parent is a resident or a citizen. Adeniran would qualify as a "resident" by diplomatic status. I'm not sure if Adeniran's son was here before his father was a minister, possibly but i'm not aware of that.

The US is not stating his father is culpable for his son, they are simply saying they do not wish to deal with a man whose son is a criminal. They have no obligation to accept his posting and are only exercising their right to reject him. Whether they use his son as an excuse really is of no relevance.

davidylan:

Well according to the law a child under 21 can claim residence in the US as long as one parent is a resident or a citizen. Adeniran would qualify as a "resident" by diplomatic status. I'm not sure if Adeniran's son was here before his father was a minister, possibly but i'm not aware of that.

The US is not stating his father is culpable for his son, they are simply saying they do not wish to deal with a man whose son is a criminal. They have no obligation to accept his posting and are only exercising their right to reject him. Whether they use his son as an excuse really is of no relevance.