@coogar,
How about his stats over the last year?I think that's a more indicative figure to work with.
In recent times,club and country,Torres is a massive DUD.

StarBoard:

@coogar,
How about his stats over the last year?I think that's a more indicative figure to work with.
In recent times,club and country,Torres is a massive DUD.

in 08/09, tevez was dud. 5 goals + 5 assists.

in 08/09. drogba was dud. 5 goals + 4 assists.

so should we have condemned them that season and pass the judgement they were dud strikers?

coogar:

torres

07/08(24 goals + 3 assists)
08/09(14 goals + 5 assists)
09/10(18 goals + 3 assists)
10/11(10 goals + 7 assists)

in 4 seasons, torres has scored 66 goals and 18 assists. . . . .he has contributed 84 goals/assists in the last 4 seasons.
i am giving you an assignment to find out who has done more in the last 4 seasons in fewer appearances than fernando torres.
so mr dayokanu. . . .take my challenge.
premierleague.com statistics should help you.

DIDIER DROGBA GOALS/ASSIST 2007/2008 till date (53 + 38 =91)  Appearances 114

DIMITAR BERBATOV GOALS/ASSIST 2007/2008 till date (56 + 32 = 88) Apperances 135

WAYNE ROONEY  GOALS/ASSIST 2007/2008 till date (52 + 37 = 89) Appearances 120

FERNANDO TORRES GOALS/ASSIST 2007/2008 till date (66 + 18 = 84) Appearances 122

http://www.premierleague.com

Shows FT value

dayokanu:



DIDIER DROGBA GOALS/ASSIST 2007/2008 till date (53 + 38 =91)  Appearances 114

DIMITAR BERBATOV GOALS/ASSIST 2007/2008 till date (56 + 32 = 88) Apperances 135

WAYNE ROONEY  GOALS/ASSIST 2007/2008 till date (52 + 37 = 89) Appearances 120

FERNANDO TORRES GOALS/ASSIST 2007/2008 till date (66 + 18 = 84) Appearances 122

http://www.premierleague.com

Shows FT value

dayokanu. . . .how did torres cop 122 appearances in the league?
33 + 24 + 22 + 37 = 116 appearances.
you don't need to cook up the stats

rooney has 117 apps
drogba has 111 apps
berba has 133 apps.

considering the fact that torres does not take penalties or set-pieces for liverpool/chelsea and drogba/rooney are chief set-piece takers, can you now see torres is actually better than the others in terms of contribution in the last 4 seasons.

form is temporary
class is permanent.

I added the 3 games of this season for everyone

Torres has 119

Lampard takes most of Chelseas Penalties not Drogba, Berbatov doesnt take these dead balls too, Rooney even plays deeper than the rest

Can you now see how Torres is the worst of the 4

Failed for Spain, Failed for Chelsea, What else is there to blame Torres woes on? Maybe Famine in Somalia

dayokanu:

I added the 3 games of this season for everyone

Torres has 119

Lampard takes most of Chelseas Penalties not Drogba, Berbatov doesnt take these dead balls too, Rooney even plays deeper than the rest

drogba takes penalties. . . . .he often fights lampard for it
drogba takes freekicks. . . .all of them.

berbatov didn't take these dead balls at man utd
he took them for fun at tottenham.

rooney takes freekicks and penalties.
against arsenal, rooney scored a hatrick from 2 freekicks and one penalty.

torres has never taken any freekick in england, never taken any penalty in england.
all his goals and assists have been from open play.

Can you now see how Torres is the worst of the 4

he is the best.
if we deduct goals/assists from set-pieces from the others, their ratio would fall below that of torres.
scoring penalties/freekicks is easy. . . .

Failed for Spain, Failed for Chelsea, What else is there to blame Torres woes on? Maybe Famine in Somalia

failed for spain? how?
failed for chelsea? after half a season? how?

Failed for Spain

Their worst Striker in recent times

Fernando Morientes 27 goals 47 appearance = 0.574 goals/game

David Villa = 49 goals 78 caps 0.628 goals/game

Raul Gonzalez = 44 goals 102 caps = 0.431 goals/game

Fernando Torres = 27 goals 88 caps = 0.307goals/game

Even a central defender Fernando Hierro has a better record than failure Torres

dayokanu:

Failed for Spain

Their worst Striker in recent times

Fernando Morientes 27 goals 47 appearance = 0.574 goals/game

David Villa = 49 goals 78 caps 0.628 goals/game

Raul Gonzalez = 44 goals 102 caps = 0.431 goals/game

Fernando Torres = 27 goals 88 caps = 0.307goals/game

Even a central defender Fernando Hierro has a better record than failure Torres

let's take this debate one after the other. . . .
relax, don't jump the gun. . .

so do we agree now that fernando torres has not failed in the premier league?
let's conclude that part before jumping into his international stats, ok?

coogar:

let's take this debate one after the other. . . .
relax, don't jump the gun. . .

so do we agree now that fernando torres has not failed in the premier league?
let's conclude that part before jumping into his international stats, ok?

He has failed in Chelsea and in Spain, He had a rub of green in his first few seasons at Liverpool

Its like saying Roque Santacruz succeded in the EPL because he has some success in his first few seasons

dayokanu:

He has failed in Chelsea and in Spain, He had a rub of green in his first few seasons at Liverpool

he has only spent half-a-season at chelsea. . . . .
if we were having this debate in july, you would say dzeko has failed for man city, won't you?

Its like saying Roque Santacruz succeded in the EPL because he has some success in his first few seasons

santa cruz didn't. . . . .he has had more woeful seasons than impressive ones
injuries mucked him up.

and concerning the international stats. . . .
you might want to look up the international stats of ronaldo, messi and thierry henry.
i will bring it home and add kanu nwankwo to my list. . . . .

Torres as a striker has never been top scorer in any league almost 10yrs after he started football, Similar to Van Pucci

Nowadays he is being benched for NT, I dont think any of Messi, ROnaldo, Henry and even Kanu got benched in their prime

sleekdot:

Torres as a striker has never been top scorer in any league almost 10yrs after he started football, Similar to Van Pucci

Nowadays he is being benched for NT, I dont think any of Messi, ROnaldo, Henry and even Kanu got benched in their prime

spain have more talented players than argentina, portugal, france and nigeria.

Now he is being benched by players like Negredo, Lloriente etc

Thats a shame for a 50m striker

dayokanu:

Now he is being benched by players like Negredo, Lloriente etc
Thats a shame for a 50m striker

rio ferdinand has been benched recently by dawson, phil jones, smalling, matt upson and gary cahill. . . .
is that a shame for a 30m defender?

Rio Ferdinand would be 33yrs old in November, Mostly injured and definitely beyond his peak years, Ferdinand was bought for 30m about a decade ago and has more than delivered

Torres is 27yrs old, Not been injured in about a yr and in his peak years Torres was bought less than a yr ago and has scored 1 goal

Spot the difference

dayokanu:

Rio Ferdinand would be 33yrs old in November, Mostly injured and definitely beyond his peak years, Ferdinand was bought for 30m about a decade ago and has more than delivered

Torres is 27yrs old, Not been injured in about a yr and in his peak years Torres was bought less than a yr ago and has scored 1 goal

Spot the difference

torres has been perpetually injured and this is why his form has suffered.
his number of appearances for his clubs went down since he left athletico madrid.

in spain, he was clocking 35, 36, 38 league appearances. . .
in his debut season in england, he clocked 33 league appearances. . . .since then, it has been 22, 23, 24. . .and dayokanu expects him to be scoring regularly like his peers. . . .how is that possible?

if you take out goals scored via penalties/direct free-kicks from rooney/drogba, torres has done better than them. . . .
for spain, the same injury has damaged his form because of the start-stop-start-stop pattern of his international career.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iZX_khnvok&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VSTVUByAZ0

2 of the best strikers in the world.