That exactly what is implied.

AfriqueDuZuid:


Inflation dropping does not mean prices have droppped, it only means prices are only rising at a better rate

Kenya races to build one million houses in 5yrs and eliminate slums

Mukuru slums being upgraded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VNc7jgqS_k

Kibera slums soon to disappear

Kibera Soweto B. 4054 units under construction. Since we started slum upgrading in 2002 we had only done 822 units. Successive governments have promised to eradicate slums, they haven’t.

Loading in Kibra, Halal City on 283acres Nubian land.

Mkenya2019:
Kibera slums soon to disappear

Kibera Soweto B. 4054 units under construction. Since we started slum upgrading in 2002 we had only done 822 units. Successive governments have promised to eradicate slums, they haven’t.

Loading in Kibra, Halal City on 283acres Nubian land.

so where we the majority poor Kenyan leave.

Your govt still don't get it. Nobody prefer slums , economic condition warrant it . Improved the living conditions of the people and you will see slum turning to paradise right in your own eyes . The people are capable of doing it theirself . Taking their land from them will not solve it , another slums will be extablished somewhere again in Nairobi .

Who told you poor people deserves to live in deplorable slum.

Kenya when Brits was rulling all the way until IMF SAP of late 80s and 90s had no major slums.

You know what - gov was building houses for lower income people - and they'd be rented to them cheaply.

Now we are going back to building at huge scales houses for lower and lower middle class so they stop living in deplorable slums.

In meantime almost every west africa city is turning into MEGA SLUMSPOLIS - informal housing is 99% how you're building.

Until you return large scale housing projects that build cheap but decent houses - preferably vertically - you will live in that mixed up mess of a slum called Accra.

Nairobi in meantime is scaling the heights and fixing housing deficit.

vaxx:
so where we the majority poor Kenyan leave.

Your govt still don't get it. Nobody prefer slums , economic condition warrant it . Improved the living conditions of the people and you will see slum turning to paradise right in your own eyes . The people are capable of doing it theirself . Taking their land from them will not solve it , another slums will be extablished somewhere again in Nairobi .

Mkenya2019:
Nairobi is getting there; When I suggested years ago that it will be africa capital; the south african were mad; now I see it all over tiktok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVbiIaXYNjY

Omo. I no go lie Nairobi fine. I suppose enter there by next year.

Mkenya2019:
Who told you poor people deserves to live in deplorable slum.

Kenya when Brits was rulling all the way until IMF SAP of late 80s and 90s had no major slums.

You know what - gov was building houses for lower income people - and they'd be rented to them cheaply.

Now we are going back to building at huge scales houses for lower and lower middle class so they stop living in deplorable slums.

In meantime almost every west africa city is turning into MEGA SLUMSPOLIS - informal housing is 99% how you're building.

Until you return large scale housing projects that build cheap but decent houses - preferably vertically - you will live in that mixed up mess of a slum called Accra.

Nairobi in meantime is scaling the heights and fixing housing deficit.

How much is cheaply? What vaxx said is the best thing to do, improve the economic conditions of the people and see wonders. You know 90% of kibera residents still can not afford this.

Jamestown123:
How much is cheaply? What vaxx said is the best thing to do, improve the economic conditions of the people and see wonders. You know 90% of kibera residents still can not afford this.

study economies of scale...kibera is rich in land...an acre is 5m dollars in adjacent upperhill klilimani..so developers can build enough house for current residence n even more. See how Mumbai n Asian cities are doing.

Jamestown123:
Omo. I no go lie Nairobi fine. I suppose enter there by next year.

its just getting started..kind of construction going on staggering

rvp20182:
study economies of scale...kibera is rich in land...an acre is 5m dollars in adjacent upperhill klilimani..so developers can build enough house for current residence n even more. See how Mumbai n Asian cities are doing.

See lemme tell you, they are only building those houses for the rich and middle income earners who can afford it. They are likely going to relocate the current occupants of those lands to another choked up place, where they will in time turn to another slum again. I will try and show you a documentary on same thing happening in Mumbai.

rvp20182:
study economies of scale...kibera is rich in land...an acre is 5m dollars in adjacent upperhill klilimani..so developers can build enough house for current residence n even more. See how Mumbai n Asian cities are doing.

as someone who just came from Mumbai, I can tell you for a fact that they are also not getting the point that untill you improve the living conditions of people economically, whatever you build will be unaffordable to them.

And Kenya is repeating this mistake

Jamestown123:
See lemme tell you, they are only building those houses for the rich and middle income earners who can afford it. They are likely going to relocate the current occupants of those lands to another choked up place, where they will in time turn to another slum again. I will try and show you a documentary on same thing happening in Mumbai.

he doesn't understand and probably wont

Mkenya2019:
Who told you poor people deserves to live in deplorable slum.

Kenya when Brits was rulling all the way until IMF SAP of late 80s and 90s had no major slums.

You know what - gov was building houses for lower income people - and they'd be rented to them cheaply.

Now we are going back to building at huge scales houses for lower and lower middle class so they stop living in deplorable slums.

In meantime almost every west africa city is turning into MEGA SLUMSPOLIS - informal housing is 99% how you're building.

Until you return large scale housing projects that build cheap but decent houses - preferably vertically - you will live in that mixed up mess of a slum called Accra.

Nairobi in meantime is scaling the heights and fixing housing deficit.

Accra won't be making the mistake you keep making , hence the huge slumpolis you keep getting.

Accra first improved the economic standards of people hence the magic of various designed single family homes you see everywhere.

False - most of house being built - are single rooms or cheap studios - that will charge same rent - and that rent will go into tenant purchasing schemes.

In Mumbai like Kibera - the land or structure owner of the slum - is given the free house . Highrise can generate 100 units - so giving the owner a few units - while leaving private developer with many more to sale.

Jamestown123:
See lemme tell you, they are only building those houses for the rich and middle income earners who can afford it. They are likely going to relocate the current occupants of those lands to another choked up place, where they will in time turn to another slum again. I will try and show you a documentary on same thing happening in Mumbai.

Single family homes is not practical in large city. You're just spreading poverty and traffic jams. At worse you will have South Africa mess where poor lives 30-50kms from their work place - spending all their little earning in transport.

Accra should first invest in sewage system. Then adopt highrises - build vertically - encourage people to walk or circle or ride to work cheaply.

Of course your incompetent gov is not going to do any of that - not even extend the sewage line that just cover CBD of accra only.

Just40:
Accra won't be making the mistake you keep making , hence the huge slumpolis you keep getting.

Accra first improve the economic standards of people hence the magic of single family homes you see everywhere.

Mkenya2019:
Single family homes is not practical in large city. You're just spreading poverty and traffic jams. At worse you will have South Africa mess where poor lives 30-50kms from their work place - spending all their little earning in transport.

Accra should first invest in sewage system. Then adopt highrises - build vertically - encourage people to walk or circle or ride to work cheaply.

Of course your incompetent gov is not going to do any of that - not even extend the sewage line that just cover CBD of accra only.

Los Angeles is choke with single family housing and same with Florida, Las Vegas and etc... Basically it is the most practical form of hosing when people are a little bit economically free. These cities are some of the most largest cities you can think of.

Accra already has a better sewage system, we won't be repeating that 1900s mess that you currently have in Kenya where raw sewage is just flowing along the streets because of burst and choked pipes.
People already circle and walk here hence most people places of work are not far from where they live because of a decentralized commercial area.
Gone were the days where everyone had to go to Accra central to get the things they need.

What Accra needs to do is to build 3 commuter rail networks one from the West to Accra central, another from the North to Accra central and a 3rd from the East to Accra central and corporate people will get to work in less than 30mins but that doesn't look viable at the moment since at lot of these people prefer to drive.

Hence the ever expansion of Accra roads.

Kenya keeps building a Zone 13 reserved for poor people only... segregation in a new form.

All I read - we cant build a modern sewage - because we are incompetent. Keep your shiet in your compound forever. When it rains - it overflows - spread cholera, typhoid and all the mess.

Los Angeles has serious traffic mess you shouldnt aim to copy.

Just40:
Los Angeles is choke with single family housing and same with Florida, Las Vegas and etc... Basically it is the most practical form of hosing when people are a little bit economically free. These cities are some of the most largest cities you can think of.

Accra already has a better sewage system, we won't be repeating that 1900s mess that you currently have in Kenya where raw sewage is just flowing along the streets because of burst and choked pipes.
People already circle and walk here hence most people places of work are not far from where they live because of a decentralized commercial area.
Gone were the days where everyone had to go to Accra central to get the things they need.

What Accra needs to do is to build 3 commuter rail networks one from the West to Accra central, another from the North to Accra central and a 3rd from the East to Accra central and corporate people will get to work in less than 30mins but that doesn't look viable at the moment since at lot of these people prefer to drive.

Hence the ever expansion of Accra roads.

Kenya keeps building a Zone 13 reserved for poor people only... segregation in a new form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqaPIELXc8A

Mkenya2019:
False - most of house being built - are single rooms or cheap studios - that will charge same rent - and that rent will go into tenant purchasing schemes.

In Mumbai like Kibera - the land or structure owner of the slum - is given the free house . Highrise can generate 100 units - so giving the owner a few units - while leaving private developer with many more to sale.

Are you talking about people who can barely afford 20$ in a month or who? Or about 70% of them who don't have regular jobs or stable employment? Now when you talk about giving those houses to this people free or cheap is not possible. How much do you think they can pay in a month for a studio apartment? 10$? And how much was spent in building those projects? Slums can not disappear unless unemployment disappears, and the economy becomes more stable.

Mkenya2019:
All I read - we cant build a modern sewage - because we are incompetent. Keep your shiet in your compound forever. When it rains - it overflows - spread cholera, typhoid and all the mess.

Los Angeles has serious traffic mess you shouldnt aim to copy.

All you keep saying is that you got stacked in the 1900s with a nonsense that overflows whenever it rains in your country so you think it is the same everywhere.

An anaerobic system cannot be overflown by water when airr can't get in (basic science). Next time take your science education seriously.
Ghana eliminated cholera years ago... unfortunately it's still killing most Kenyans and likewise typhoid....Boy it is not a competition.
we are all only telling you that developers are only evicting slum dwellers who will not afford those apartments(hence a new slum) and you're already catching feelings trying to compete where you'll never succeed.

The beauty of Los Angeles is the fact that everywhere is free of traffic except the interstate roads like the i-10, route 101, route 95 and co which are the main arteries and they only get choke with traffic on special occasions when people are getting in and out of state.
This is exactly what we want here, a control system

Just40:
he doesn't understand and probably wont

Africans are always stubborn

Jamestown123:
Are you talking about people who can barely afford 20$ in a month or who? Or about 70% of them who don't have regular jobs or stable employment? Now when you talk about giving those houses to this people free or cheap is not possible. How much do you think they can pay in a month for a studio apartment? 10$? And how much was spent in building those projects? Slums can not disappear unless unemployment disappears, and the economy becomes more stable.

don't mind that talkative.
People who barely make 30 dollars a month are the ones hes talking about.

Just40:
don't mind that talkative.
People who barely make 30 dollars a month are the ones hes talking about.

Lol. Naija own worst. Suffering is Increasing everyday. Honestly slums are synonymous to high rate of poverty

Jamestown123:
Lol. Naija own worst. Suffering is Increasing everyday. Honestly slums are synonymous to high rate of poverty

exactly so.

People naturally decide to live in great properties when they start getting economically free.

First nobody is living for free - the slum dwellers pay slumlords rent
.
Slum start at around 10 dollars - to the slum scrappers like pipeline that charge 60 dollars a month - I am assuming 100KEs - 1 dollar for easy maths..

The way Kenya affordable program has been designed is for gov to ensure those people continue paying what they are paying now - but end up owning the house.

Slum dwellers will under social housing - gov will subsidze their mortagage payment.

Kenyans are paying 1.5% housing levy and employer contribution 1.5% housing levy towards this. Kenya gov is also giving developer free land (land in Nairobi/Kenya is very expensive - almost 50% of cost of housing). It also giving those doing affordable housing program tax exemptions on all inputs and profit - waving all the stamp duties and name.

This affordable program will run in perpetuity (hopefully) - and we will never see slums again.

Jamestown123:
Are you talking about people who can barely afford 20$ in a month or who? Or about 70% of them who don't have regular jobs or stable employment? Now when you talk about giving those houses to this people free or cheap is not possible. How much do you think they can pay in a month for a studio apartment? 10$? And how much was spent in building those projects? Slums can not disappear unless unemployment disappears, and the economy becomes more stable.

Even in richest or advanced nation - poor live in subsidized - mostly gov owned properties. It only in backwater country that thinks they need to be rich - before they embark on social programs.

Kenya is poor but has 2.5M people on a social safety net earning 20-30 dollars a month - everyone who is above 65 in kenya; is disabled; is orphan; is in anyway very poor & vulnerable get that monthly stipend send to their money.

Secondly Kenya is putting all poor people into health insurance - so they too can get medical insurance.

Your backwater country that is already bankrupt should concentrate on building sewage network in all your town FIRST. Before we even engage.

Just40:
exactly so.

People naturally decide to live in great properties when they start getting economically free.

Can slum dwellers afford Mortgage - leave alone rent - yes.

Under the Kenya 250,000 affordable housing units annually - Gov will offer them all for sales or as tenant purchase.

The lowest priced unit (a single-room or studioon a 20 square metre space) will cost Sh840,000,
which will require prospective homebuyers to deposit Sh84,000
and clear the remainder through monthly payments of Sh3,200 over 30 years.

And that 3,200 is fixed interest. And that is about how much slum dwellers pay for now rent.


https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/economy/informal-workers-to-access-state-backed-mortgages-under-new-plan-4450544

Utter rubbish. Build a proper sewage system. It not complicated.

Just40:
All you keep saying is that you got stacked in the 1900s with a nonsense that overflows whenever it rains in your country so you think it is the same everywhere.

An anaerobic system cannot be overflown by water when airr can't get in (basic science). Next time take your science education seriously.
Ghana eliminated cholera years ago... unfortunately it's still killing most Kenyans and likewise typhoid....Boy it is not a competition.
we are all only telling you that developers are only evicting slum dwellers who will not afford those apartments(hence a new slum) and you're already catching feelings trying to compete where you'll never succeed.

The beauty of Los Angeles is the fact that everywhere is free of traffic except the interstate roads like the i-10, route 101, route 95 and co which are the main arteries and they only get choke with traffic on special occasions when people are getting in and out of state.
This is exactly what we want here, a control system

Mkenya2019:
Who told you poor people deserves to live in deplorable slum.

Kenya when Brits was rulling all the way until IMF SAP of late 80s and 90s had no major slums.

You know what - gov was building houses for lower income people - and they'd be rented to them cheaply.

Now we are going back to building at huge scales houses for lower and lower middle class so they stop living in deplorable slums.

In meantime almost every west africa city is turning into MEGA SLUMSPOLIS - informal housing is 99% how you're building.

Until you return large scale housing projects that build cheap but decent houses - preferably vertically - you will live in that mixed up mess of a slum called Accra.

Nairobi in meantime is scaling the heights and fixing housing deficit.

You only need to go back to School.

If we should go strictly by slum definition, more than 80 percent of Nairobi will be tagged slum . Poor planning , lack of adequate water supply , bad road . Bad Sewage, unconventional motor parking space etc.

What causes slums are mainly poverty, the people migration . Particularly unskilled worker's , the more unskilled worker's in your community , the likely they lived in slums.

Once you work on the living conditions of the people , you will not only stop the frequent migration of people from village to the city , you will also increased the social economic condition of the people. ( It is lack of adequate opportunity that leads to migration and it is migration that the city can't contain that leads to slums . So kill the roots and not it's branches .

I think kenya gov's approach to eradicating slum is the most practical way. Nothing more or nothing less.

Unless,there's some form of intervention by the government through provision of mass low cost housing,while forcefully evicting slum dwellers away from their lands,slums in our spaces won't cease to exist.

Living in slums sometimes isn't all about lack of economic freedom but rather human nature of being rigid to change.

It will surprise you that some people who owns properties in choice locations of the city still remain in their previous slum areas for reasons best known to them.

Extra:
It is a trend that i have found in most places across West Africa. Someone who owns shops with warehouse in idumota be living in one dilapidated building in nearby Apogbon,while collecting rent from his apartments in lekki.

Go to Accra you still find the same with traders who control chunk of the informal sectors living back in Nima while having properties in East legon and other choice areas.

In Abidjan too,the same trend still applies.

popizaino:
I think kenya gov's approach to eradicating slum is the most practical way. Nothing more or nothing less.

Unless,there's some form of intervention by the government through provision of mass low cost housing,while forcefully evicting slum dwellers away from their lands,slums in our spaces won't cease to exist.

Living in slums sometimes isn't all about lack of economic freedom but rather human nature of being rigid to change.

It will surprise you that some people who owns properties in choice locations of the city still remain in their previous slum areas for reasons best known to them.

Extra:
It is a trend that i have found in most places across West Africa. Someone who owns shops with warehouse in idumota be living in one dilapidated building in nearby Apogbon,while collecting rent from his apartments in lekki.

Go to Accra you still find the same with traders who control chunk of the informal sectors living back in Nima while having properties in East legon and other choice areas.

In Abidjan too,the same trend still applies.

There is what we called support system, why should I leave my beautiful family in makoko area of lagos and go stay alone in ikoyi island ? Just because I have arrived .some people don't care.


It is the same thing , improved the general leaving condition of the people and in your own very eyes slum will be eradicated. Nima in Ghana is an example of this fact . Infact some part of Nima residence are well porched than many eye brow area that you may know. The president even leaves there.


Have you seen where the cheif imam of Ghana leave ? I can bet you , he can leave in airport residence if he want .

vaxx:
There is what we called support system, why should I leave my beautiful family in makoko area of lagos and go stay alone in ikoyi island ? Just because I have arrived .
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The rigid to change that i talked about. Thanks for agreeing with me.