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Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by Nobody: 2:09pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
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Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by raphieMontella: 3:21pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
TheSixthSense:Problem:How can we obey God’s natural laws when we’re not sure what they are? If God has written a subset of his laws on our hearts, what exactly are they? God’s Laws (according to the Bible) sometimes contradict God’s Natural Laws. For example: Natural law tells us that killing healthy babies is wrong, but God’s Law says it’s sometimes okay (Gen. 7:21, Exodus 12:12, Psalm 137:9). Natural law presently tells us that owning and beating slaves is wrong, but God’s Law provides us with a how-to manual (Exodus 21). Natural law tells us it’s wrong to steal and rape, but God’s Law says he may personally send men to steal from you and rape you (Zechariah 14:2). Natural law also tells us it’s always wrong for a man to rape a woman, and then to force her to marry her rapist; but God’s Law says this is totally permissible (Deut. 22:28-29). Feelings of guilt are often unreliable measures of right and wrong. For example, an anorexic girl may feel guilty about eating a sandwich, but is she right? Is God using guilt as a natural way of condemning her for inappropriate behavior? Or does she feel guilty only because she did something she believed was wrong? And her mind is now wrestling with the logical contradiction? finally, with regards to conscience, many early cultures once independently reached the rather natural conclusion that the sun was a god. How did they all “just know” this? Did God write this message on the hearts of the Aztecs, Incas, Egyptians, Greeks, Hindus, Persians, West Africans, Celtics and others? Did God guide their conscience to this conclusion? Or the ancient mexicans that believed sacrificing of babies was okay ?(without feeling guilt) How can we obey God’s “natural laws” when these laws can be so misleading? or polygamy? In the biblical times it was a normal thing,,,even advocated by yahweh himself.. Polygamy approved here yahweh was directly with them. Also the christians of the first century(c.jesus period) would swear that the holy spirit ws with them though slavery was practiced at that time and considered moral... |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by Nobody: 3:50pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
I have once replied a question you asked and you cancelled everything and saying it didn't make any sense to you so there is no point wasting my time with your questions. Your mind is made up anyway. You asked if morality evolves and I said No, it doesn't. I also went on to say if you are an existentialist you can go ahead to believe what you want. You are not looking for reasons to believe neither are you looking for reasons why I believe in God despite formerly being an atheist. I only assume you try to make me become an atheist like yourself by discrediting my beliefs but this method has never worked. Why don't you tell me what atheism has to offer that I don't know about? Bring your tenets of atheism and put it up for scrutiny. But I would leave you with these questions for you to do your research and report your findings. Did the man Jesus walk the earth or not? Was He crucified in death? Did He resurrect? Did He ascend into heaven, if No, where then are His remains? Start looking into these questions, research to solve the mystery. write a comprehensive book and I promise I would buy 10 copies no matter your findings. Have a fabulous day. You don't have to reply btw raphieMontella: |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by ValentineMary(m): 5:19pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
These new theist on nairaland and their ranting. Na wa ooo. If u guys can't open threads we can learn from, why not shut up. |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by raphieMontella: 6:10pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
I didnt want to reply..but i saw something which caught my eye TheSixthSense:i asked a simple question..i gave reasons.and you gave me nothing which is? What you have been telling me is nothing i believe i explained this before oga atheism is not a thing.. Secular humanism is the ''thing'' depends on the ''how'' crucifixion was left for the worst of criminals and runaway slaves sir.. Not blasphemy..no records of it tho hell no! He appeared,,talked etc to 500 people in jerusalem(according to paul) and the romans did nothing..almighty rome? ha!..manure? Or is it that empty tomb stuff? done it long ago boss..and i can show you how deep it goes..(mine) if i write a book on atheism etc.. I'd do my best to make it free... was fabulous sire... i didnt..but i had to.. How do we know gods natural law?(since punishments are attached to it) thats all i asked sire.. |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by honourhim: 6:40pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
ValentineMary: Oh yea, you open a thread on christianity matters and you expect us to keep quiet even in the face of detected errors? Na wa for u oga. |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by analice107: 7:43pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
TheSixthSense: You touched my heart until you slide into mentioning names, and played the game of condemnation. Romans 8:33-34 Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect [when it is] God Who justifies [that is, Who puts us in right relation to Himself? Who shall come forward and accuse or impeach those whom God has chosen? Will God, Who acquits us?] Who is there to condemn [us]? Will Christ Jesus (the Messiah), Who died, or rather Who was raised from the dead, Who is at the right hand of God actually pleading as He intercedes for us? When i got converted newly from Catholicism, i grappled with the preconcieved notion that every Pentecostal preacher was fake and in alliance with satan. Growing in Catholic Church, we were indoctrinated to believe that the false prophet Jesus warned against are the Pentecostal Pastors, We were told that they seek powers from satan to perform miracles, and we were to shun them, and we did, at least i did. Although i was a regular in that Pentecostal Church, (followed my relatives as i was living with them at the time), i just enjoyed the music but shunned the messages. The Holy Spirit was patient with me until one evening. Immediately the pastor climbed the podium, as usual, i branded satanic and locked up. But right there in the midst of all those people, i heard a voice, an audible voice (I think that was the very first time i heard an audible voice of God, even as a sinner, i heard it loud and clear) which asked me theae questions i will never ever forget till die. The voice said " Does he need powers to preach the Gospel? Since you have been coming, how many miracles has he performed?" Can satan preach the gospel of salvation? Right then it struck me that it was indeed true. The Pastor was a word based Pastor. You hear the Word if you believe it, then the word you believed activates the supernatural and then the miracle happens. He never laid his hands or touched anyone. There was nothing like Anointing, oil, or Holy Water or any of those things we hear and see these charlatans use in the name of God. I think that was the day i gave my life to Christ, because, i felt something left me that night. From then i needed to know more about God. Those questions grew with me and they still with me today. I use them as yardsticks to measure preachers who are just here to excite people without any real life transforming messages And, am going to ask you these same questions today. 1. Can an agent of satan preach (half truths, which is what false preachers do) either by word of mouth or by print and get a sinner turn genuinely to Christ and drop sin? 2. Satan Chief tool is pride, Can a Freemason/false preacher preach a message that breaks pride in someone and replaces it with humility? 3. Anger, unforgiveness, maliciousness, greed, disobedience, stealing, lying, the sexually immoral (Perverts), malignity, Obscenity etc, these we know are satans weapons or strongholds. Can a Satanic agent masquerading as a preacher, preach the kind of messages that would transform and bring about regeneration in the lives of people with the above sins? I have listened to some of these people you mentioned, and i have read their books. They all preach the salvation that comes only by having faith in the finished work of Christ on the Cross. Kenneth E. Hagins books are life transforming books(godly) and have done a great deal in shaping my life. I don't know for others, but i know me. I know how quickly i can be piqued into anger. Thanks for the Holy Spirit through their books. I am a living example of one who have been helped and to a large extent changed tremendously, just by reading these men's books. If you tell me that Satan can get pride, self love, arrogance, haughtiness out of someone and replace them with humility, selflessness and love, then i would have to start crying here. Those men you mentioned preaches these virtues. Pick Kenneth E. Hagins " How To Be Led by The Holy Spirit" and read. When you are done and still tell me that that man worked for satan, then i will give up on you. BOTTOMLINE; SATAN CAN NOT POINT ANYONE TOWARDS GOD. He points away from God to self. 1 Like |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by analice107: 8:27pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
HardMirror: Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. kai, this man wont kee pesin. In your mind... You researched The Roman Catholic organization and arrived at the conclusion that there's no God. Hahahahahahahahaha. So, a Church organization shd validate the existence of God? Did The Catholic organization start The Church? See? this is the reason i wrote you off as a fraud, or better still, a child. You speak good grammar but lack sense, this could be the reason you couldn't go beyond the point you went, if at all you went anywhere in church. You were simply conferred with the Pastoral title, but you never had any relationship with Him whom you claimed to have served. You were full of activities, but lacked a motive why you were active. So many questions were asked, till this moment you couldn't answer one. According to you, the last straw that broke the Camel's back for you, was wen you and your general overseer fasted for 70days for Boko Haram to stop bombing churches, but it didn't stop. Base on that, you broke your Pastoral vow, you dropped your Shepherd staff, you severed your allegiance with God and declared Him none-existent. For if He existed, he shd have done as you commanded, even when it goes against the prophecies he has in ages past prophesied. You see? You are a Master to God. You tell Him what to do, how to do it, and when to do it. It doesn't matter whether what is going on is his Will, or timing was a factor, but as God"s Master, He must bend to your whims or you'd declare Him none existent. As long as you keep sounding like a naive child, i shall keep regarding you as one. TheSixthSense, good luck with your new found friend. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by analice107: 9:39pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
TheSixthSense:Standing aloof and passing Judgement over people can be very wrong. I can tell you this first hand, because i WAS very good at Critiquing and profiling people. I dont know much about Paul Elis or Joseph Prince. But, Joyce Meyers was a woman i never believed in until two weeks. I was going through a phase. A lot was going on in my life that i needed direction on how to sort them out. I just decided to pay a certain young pastor a visit and immediately we settled to start talking, the Holy Spirit took over that man and he started uploading stuff in my life i was grappling with. stuff i had not told anyone and wasn't going to even tell him. I was so shocked, i know the Holy Spirit can speak through people to us, but to this extent? He told me to go back the next day, i did. After everything, he prayed with me and handed me a book "How To Hear from God" by the same woman i never believed in, Joyce Meyer. I wanted to Object, I had opened my mouth to say something against her, then i remembered one of the things he warned me against was the spirit of Criticism, so i half heatedly collected the book. Long story short, am buying my copy and if possible every of her books. I read it back to back twice, and am still buying a copy. No one can write the mind of Christ aligning the scriptures without the Spirit of Christ living in them. My life is changed by reading that book. I had to kneel down and ask God for forgiveness. For everything i said or held against her or anyone else. Anytime i pick that book up, its as if that woman is sitting opposite me talking directly to me. Satan can not rebuke you for disobeying God. Satan can not urge you to obey God promptly, satan can not stir you up to forgive someone who took advantage of the fact that you are a Christian so shd turn the other cheek and insults you stupid, and yet you are the one to go and apologize. Reading that book, i did just that. Till today that lady still can not believe that after all she did, am still the one who went to her and said am sorry, pls forgive me. And i meant it. The peace that had eluded me returned like a flood. As i read that book, i was looking at myself through a mirror. All my short comings as a Christian which are hindrances are all there. What to do to break free are also there. Every step backed by the Scriptures, and me being a lover of the Word, i just glided. My bad manners in this forum were starring me in the face, and i also repented of all of them. And i promised never to get angry unnecessarily again, never to be harsh, or hard and pressing, but to be, kind, humble lowly and gentle towards the unbelievers here, for i was once a stubborn unbeliever, it is by his grace that we are saved not by anything else. This my mouth must be curbed. No charlatan can invoke this emotions from someone. No charlatan can provoke repentance from an erring soul back to God. No charlatan make break pride from a haughty person. Charlatans are known to stir excitements, raise smoke without any fire. Charlatans don't preach the word of eternal life which is capable of restoring a fallen or straying or backsliding Child. The Word is what sustains when everything else fails, Charlatans dont have the Word, but Joyce Meyers have the Word. She is not a Charlatan. YES, Joyce Meyer is a seasoned servant of God. The Word believing child of God. I don't care what anyone says. The Word of Faith works. Total dependence on God Works. 1 Like |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by analice107: 9:45pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
TheSixthSense: Very good. 2 Likes |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by hopefulLandlord: 10:10pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
Analice107, what happened right there is called "Cold Reading" |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by analice107: 10:23pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:You are still quoting this bitch? Go away 1 Like |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by flamingREED(m): 11:40pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
HardMirror: Not until you or those who have read your long epistle come up with the testimony of your conversion, you remain an angel of light. And those who truly are discerning know that you were never a Christian. Working Signs and wonders is not a proof that one was or is a Christian. Until I know the testimony of your conversion, You're not ready for a serious debate. And I'm, by God's grace, one more than fit to take you on and pin your logic to the ground. God's swordsman 1 Like |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by flamingREED(m): 11:52pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
analice107: You're wrong in the light of this scripture: 2 Corinthians 11 14 AND NO MARVEL; FOR SATAN HIMSELF IS TRANSFORMED INTO AN ANGEL OF LIGHT. 15 THEREFORE IT IS NO GREAT THING IF HIS MINISTERS ALSO BE TRANSFORMED AS THE MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their works. It's the reason I keep asking hardmirror about the testimony of conversion. He could have been foreordained by the devil and sent to come and study us and then attempt to destroy us - which he never can do. It's said: Know the rules so well in order to break them effectively. He's using spiritual gift as a cloak for his fundamental falsehood 2 Likes |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by Nobody: 11:58pm On Sep 22, 2016 |
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Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by analice107: 12:15am On Sep 23, 2016 |
flamingREED: Sir, that scripture does not go with my assertion. Satan transforms into an Angel of light only to deceive, not to point sinners to Christ. The Angel of light Masquerades and twist scriptures to deceive the lazy who will not read the Bible for themselves. He teaches half truths mixed with errors. he takes scriptures out of contexts. He bases mainly on miracles. decievable miracles, knowing that miracles does not engender salvation, these are the tools of the Angel of light. Have you ever heard of "Coconut service?", A prophet organized a three days programme tagged "Coconut service". Every member must come with a head of Coconut that did not fall to the ground. pluck it , hold it and come down with it, If it drops its useless. After the prayers, they brake it, use the water to wash away their badluck, then pour the remains in the middle of the road for people to trample on their enemies under feet. This is one is Church right? If someone comes out from a place like this, he will bring himself here and cry woe. And lazy people are falling over themselves to do it. This is what i mean. Satan doesn't point people to God. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by flamingREED(m): 3:36am On Sep 23, 2016 |
analice107: You need to learn more about the slyness of satan. Acts 16 16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: 17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. 18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour. 4 Likes |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by honourhim: 7:45am On Sep 23, 2016 |
TheSixthSense: I agree with this. All these new generation churches and their cheap gospel are so pathetic. I read some of their books in the past and threw them away because of their emptiness Jesus told us that we will have the good things of life and that we will also have persecution so anybody who is telling me only about the good side without the bad side is useless to me. Kenneth Hagin corrected the errors in his teachings in the book that he wrote before he died(i ve forgotten the title of the book). In that book he spoke against prosperity gospel and corrected his teachings. 1 Like |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by Ranchhoddas: 8:02am On Sep 23, 2016 |
I like the course that this thread has taken. Anyhow some of these guys will be in hell. Our Lord works in mysterious ways! |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by Ranchhoddas: 8:05am On Sep 23, 2016 |
@ Thesixthsense you seem to have a knack for detecting fakes. Please talk about Nigerian fakes. |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by Nobody: 10:22am On Sep 23, 2016 |
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Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by Image123(m): 10:32am On Sep 23, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas: Hehehe, you'll like watching film a lot. What do you need names for, what you need is the Spirit of God and attention. |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by honourhim: 10:40am On Sep 23, 2016 |
TheSixthSense: No i ve not been able to go through his story because of time. They can only deceive the feeble minds. God will help us. |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by Nobody: 10:42am On Sep 23, 2016 |
Ok. I don't think there is any need even. You have as much information you need already. honourhim: 1 Like |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by Nobody: 10:44am On Sep 23, 2016 |
Repent and believe in Jesus Christ. You will not only identify fakes but you will find God. Ranchhoddas: 2 Likes |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by RexKexMilann: 12:49pm On Sep 23, 2016 |
TheSixthSense:Sir, can I add you on Facebook? |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by Ranchhoddas: 4:52pm On Sep 23, 2016 |
TheSixthSense:Some people who have 'repented' and 'found God' appear not to agree with you. Why is that? |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by Ranchhoddas: 4:52pm On Sep 23, 2016 |
Image123:You agree with his list? |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by honourhim: 5:25pm On Sep 23, 2016 |
Ranchhoddas: You think pastors cannot go to hell? |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by Ranchhoddas: 5:53pm On Sep 23, 2016 |
honourhim:I don't think there's a hell. At least not the eternal one. |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by Gboyee4fun(m): 7:49pm On Sep 23, 2016 |
please we Christian should stop disturbing ourtself with these atheists especially those of faith before that turned back, the bible is completed, we have so many personalities that started with God and end up with their thinking....check Balam, King Saul, they are all there for us to learn. and let everyone know that whatever your view about God is, it can't change the fact that He is God...…it is so easy to err in knowledge once you are full of yourself..... what I have learnt so far is that if you are not constantly get revelations, you might be easily discourage....and not everybody will be able to uphold the faith till the end..even among the early believers, many turned back only those that understand the deep things of the spirit will hold on to the Book of life. Solomon in all his wisdom at the end seeth life as vanity, but life is not vanity, if its vanity, christ will not come for vain things and God Himself will not create things for vain....that's why Christ is greater than Solomon..... so anybody can conclude his or her Christian life as he or she wanted, life goes on and Christianity will never cease to exist. |
Re: In Response To The Thread- From Pastor To Atheist By Hardmirror by honourhim: 8:17pm On Sep 23, 2016 |
Gboyee4fun: We respond to them because of feeble minds who may read their testimonies and be carried away by their deceit. Their main target in their testimonies are these feeble minds, not those of us who confront their deceits. 3 Likes |
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