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Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by dolphinheart(m): 2:36pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
analice107: When I read your story, I feel your pain, I also had a similar experience(accident and bone fracture part only ). but sorry to say, your experience did not not answer the existence of hell fire. and if it does exist exist, it does not answer the other questions that follow e.g what goes to hell fire, the body, soul or spirit and where the rest goes if all does not go to hell fire. A lady, very vibrant woman, had an accident some years ago, she was planning to get married to a young pastor, the pastor left her cus the accident left her paralysed and always in pains. This did not stop her from living, she lived not because of fear of hell. she is presently studying for her PhD. another woman, lives in ibadan, she had an accident which resulted in not being able to move or feel any part of her body from the neck down. the only part of her body she can move or feel is her head. This did not want her to die, she is still trying to live as long as possible! One should not serve God of fear of he'll fire , I try my best to serve God( fail sometimes), but I don't do it cus of fear of hell fire, I don't believe hell fire exist. The concept is not supported by the scriptures, neither does its teachings stand scrutiny. when you examine the doctrine, it goes against what the scriptures say, it also contradicts the scriptures! 1 Like |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by shadeyinka(m): 2:41pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Pastafarians: I will suggest that we put a stop to it. Its always an endless chain of argument. The OT never once mentioned heaven or paradise, but Jesus did. And when he does, we say its a parable. |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by adoyi8: 3:06pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: As a Christian, you believe that our life on this earth is not the real deal, that it is just a test to see if we pass and earn eternal life or fail and be condemned to eternal damnation. To pass this test according to christianity one MUST accept christ and live by his examples (correct me if i am wrong). This judgement applies to every person that has ever lived on this earth. Now for a test to be fair, all the students that are to take the test will receive the same lectures and study the same handouts. but in reality, billions of people were not given the lecture materials(have never heard of Jesus Christ (Including our African ancestors)) Billion others were born into families that are practicing other religions so found it hard to accept Jesus Christ. Others did not really take the test (They died as infants) Others were ill so couldnt take the test well (Mad People). Remember this is a serious test because the reward is great and the punishment for failing terrible. So a just God who is omnipotent should have made everybody take the test under the same conditions. The problem is how would people who did not really take the test (those that died as infants) be judged? 1. If they are to be passed automatically wouldnt that be injustice to those that took the test? 2. If they are to be failed and sent to hell wouldnt that be injustice to them because we know they are not the cause of their own death? how do you do you defend the statement 'God is Just' in this instance? |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by MrPresident1: 3:10pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Analice107, there is no literal furnace up there in the skies called hell fire where God burns people till eternity. This is not a good doctrine. Hell is the absence of God. Heaven is the presence of God. |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by adoyi8: 3:13pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: As a Christian, you believe that our life on this earth is not the real deal, that it is just a test to see if we pass and earn eternal life or fail and be condemned to eternal damnation. To pass this test according to christianity one MUST accept christ and live by his examples (correct me if i am wrong). This judgement applies to every person that has ever lived on this earth. Now for a test to be fair, all the students that are to take the test will receive the same lectures and study the same handouts. but in reality, billions of people were not given the lecture materials(have never heard of Jesus Christ (Including our African ancestors)) Billion others were born into families that are practicing other religions so found it hard to accept Jesus Christ. Others did not really take the test (They died as infants) Others were ill so couldnt take the test well (Mad People). Remember this is a serious test because the reward is great and the punishment for failing terrible. So a just God who is omnipotent should have made everybody take the test under the same conditions. The problem is how would people who did not really take the test (those that died as infants) be judged? 1. If they are to be passed automatically wouldnt that be injustice to those that took the test? 2. If they are to be failed and sent to hell wouldnt that be injustice to them because we know they are not the cause of their own death? how do you do you defend the statement 'God is Just' in this instance? |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by DoctorAlien(m): 3:14pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
adoyi8, GOD is just. Ignorant people will be in Heaven. However, who is ignorant? He is the person who meets these two conditions: 1. He did not know. 2. He had no way of knowing. I ask my question again: If the students who missed the test bump into the lecturer's office and, without even being asked, correctly recite all the knowledge which the lecturer imparted to them; have they passed the lecturer's test or not? |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by DoctorAlien(m): 3:16pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
adoyi8, How will the OT saints be saved since they did not know "Jesus"? |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Nobody: 3:22pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:And did the bible ever state that the ignorant will be exempted from hell fire or is that just the work of your imagination. 1 Like |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by DoctorAlien(m): 3:23pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
The problem I have with "atheists" on Nairaland is that most of them will blatantly ignore the explanation you give, and then repeat that same question, maybe with different words. Is it hard to understand that children who died before they could know any difference between good and evil will be in Heaven? Is it hard to understand that the very nature of GOD is justice, and that no one will be wronged in any way in the judgment? About the mad man: what made him mad? Did he have a knowledge of Christ before becoming mad? Did people warn him to abstain from any habit that could lead him to madness? Or did even have any intimation that the thing that got him mad would do so? Could he have been mad living his life the right way? All these questions would be incorporated in the judgment. |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by DoctorAlien(m): 3:27pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Lennycool: You neither know GOD, nor what His character looks like. Anyway, check 2 Pet. 2:21. 1 Like |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by BodyKiss(m): 3:42pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Pastafarians: I wonder when they will get this. I don't know about others, but whenever I discuss about god, I speak of it/him/her hypothetically. 1 Like |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Wilgrea7(m): 3:52pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
analice107: thank God you're alive... more grease to your elbow 1 Like |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by otemanuduno: 4:16pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Analice107, if only you had killed yourself, surely the knowledge of yahweh's(satan) afterlife of fire you have retained in your brain would have begun roasting you by now, except you come out of the fire like someone who comes out of a dream(those who experience OBE would understand what I'm saying). The afterlife is just like a TV station. You can switch. However, your judgement is still in the hands of Satan(yahweh) your god whenever you die. Just make sure you envisage a glorious afterlife for yourself before you die, else you might end up seeing yourself in the flames created by the evil imagination of Satan your god. Lastly, I heard that you said 'Yahweh' asked you if you remembered how the accident happened and then you quit killing yourself. No, it isn't yahweh who said that. It is the emotional part of your brain. If Yahweh can say that, then nobody would have hanged himself or herself because yahweh would have helped save them with his voice. Be lucky your brain worked well for you in time of danger. Many weren't lucky like you, because when they were about to hang themselves, they didn't think deeply and emotionally to stop what they wanted to do. May the ALMIGHTY GOD deliver you from the hands of Satan ultimately, ase! |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by MrPRevailer(m): 4:26pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: MTHBOSS analice107 Hellfire is under the earth. Numbers 16:33. There is only one place the sinner go and that is HELL. Wether you call it sheol or hellfire and have set your own personal interpretation for it. The bottom line is: it is a place of suffering and torment. ''And the smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name.'' Rev 14:11 For those saying they will simply be destroyed and cease to exist, you can see it. 'They have no rest'. Wether you call it hell, hellfire or sheol. The bottomline is it will be cast into the Lake of Fire, in the final Judgement of God. ''And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.'' Revelation 20:14 The Lake of Fire is perhaps a different world or planet filled with liquid fire and brimstone. What amazes me is how it can accomdate the trillions of demons and trillions of sinners since earth began. Do you know that the small red spot on planet Jupiter is 3 times bigger than planet Earth? Scientist also describe Jupiter as having no solid surface. It''s just ATMOSPHERE. Hmm, while typing this, it made more sense when i remembered 'the bottomless pit' (Rev 9:2) 1 Like
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Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Nobody: 4:37pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Very touching story you have up there, not sarcasm, I'm being sincere okay, let's get down to business On the night i was to drink the poison, God came into my room and asked me questions. are you talking literally here or metamorphically? if literal, I'm interested to know how Yahweh looks like and sounds like if metamorphic, I'll like to know how he sounds like your story also made me curious He said, Do you remember the accident Scene? Do you remember how close you were from being over ran by another car? You saw it (And i did). Did you stop the tires from climbing you? when did Yahweh "get there"? was he there after your leg(s) got crushed? did he "get there" ahead of the accident? he's omnipresent, so he was definitely there ahead of time if that were anything to go by Yahweh was there when the accident happened, he watched you as you stepped onto the path of a moving automobile (just giving illustrations but it could be apt), he watched your legs get crushed but quickly interfered when your life was at stake it begs the obvious questions you've heard atheists ask many times in the past and present and I won't bother asking it here again but I'm sure you know those questions Yahweh eventually made you walk again after 10 years of intense pain, depression, threat of amputation, deterioration of health, suicide thoughts, suicide preparation etc within these 10 years, your parents would've gone through mental, psychological, emotional and financial pain; so would've your other loved ones too it took your life being on the line again for your god to come to your aid basically Yahweh can make almost any evil befall you except the type that would kill you and how did your leg recover? I remember, you promised Yahweh that you'll serve him for the rest of your life he needed your vow that you'll lick his behind before he restored your legs and avoided amputation and when you seemed to have forgotten your vow, Yahweh reminded you indirectly by getting you fired from every job you had after graduation; he made sure you didn't spend more than one year on each job he always answers you when your life is on the line but doesn't do same for millions of others who follow through? you should've tried killing yourself one week after the accident, don't you think? since he would've saved you 10 years of pain with his interference 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Nobody: 4:52pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Eternal life is not what you earn. By nature everyone is bound to go to hell. But God choose to have mercy on some. As it is written " i will have mercy on whom i will have". Salvation is not by works but completely by the grace and mercy of God. I believe God was so merciful to some people of this generation who know Christ. * saved by his grace alone* Hell is real and there are many souls there right now for eternity. |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Nobody: 5:00pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
MrPRevailer:bro you are actually correct! Hell is a real place! Jesus could not be lying preaching about it. hell is actually down in the old testament it had another name which is pit. Lake of fire may be another universe. Because this present universe is going to be destroyed and wiped off completely with its element before the final Judgement. 1 Like |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Nobody: 5:08pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:Nope the verse held nothing. It only spoke about people that had formerly heard the word and left it. God doesn't make exceptions |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Wilgrea7(m): 5:28pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
some people's comments here are very funny one guy z claiming hell is under the earth.... ... have u gone there before?? whether u say hell is separation, eternal torment or whatever.. you only believe.. you don't know... no one knows |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by felixomor: 5:29pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Just as expected, Atheists are bound to flock this thread. "Hell fire" is their number one fear. |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Nobody: 5:35pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
dolphinheart:I had to take my like back. If you don't believe Hell Fire exists, fine but don't say it is not supported by, contradicts Scripture and does not stand scrutiny like it started yesterday. |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Gombs(m): 5:37pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Pastafarians: One day, I'd be sipping juice and watch your meeting with Jesus.... It'd be a great scene. 1 Like |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Wilgrea7(m): 5:40pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Gombs:... u wicked 1 Like |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Nobody: 5:40pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
MrPresident1:Reads like a cosy place. |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Nobody: 5:42pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Does this truth prick your conscience or na you want send them go hell fire? Lennycool: |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Gombs(m): 5:43pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
[quote author=DoctorAlien post=50735464] adoyi8, My friend, there'll be no excuses or ignorant ones... Read your Bible Romans 1 KJV 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that [size=18pt]they[/size] are without excuse: Read upwards verse 20 and see who's He referring to... That's why I laugh at atheists.
Point is, there's a way... The truth and the life.... Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father... No matter the knowledge anyone has, if Jesus knows them not... It's finished. |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Nobody: 5:44pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
TheSixthSense:On the contrary I'm just trying to show you how flawed religion is. Especially when examined |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Gombs(m): 5:47pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: There was a law... And those before the law? Their was righteousness by faith. PS Jesus broke them out of Hades, after He defeated Satan. |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Gombs(m): 5:48pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Lennycool: Good question |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Gombs(m): 5:49pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
DoctorAlien: Errr... Before the age of accountability, the fate of a child is dependent on the parent... So, yes, a month old child with evil parents will go to hell. Besides, everyone born into this world is born a sinner. |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by Nobody: 5:50pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Read Romans 2. How can you tell or show how flawed it is when you don't know about it in the first place? God loves righteousness and is Just in Judgement. You on the other hand, embraced atheism because the god you imagined was the christian god is unjust and condemns people to torment even before they were born. Lennycool: 1 Like |
Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by 4everGod1: 5:51pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
Lennycool: You cannot examine a thing which has a spiritual foundation with your flawed human reasoning. You need to compare spiritual with spiritual in order for your view to be sensible. So let me ask you a quick question. .. If you were God with all the power and authority He has and you can see the future of everyone and know their thoughts and see their pain and wickedness and lies and selfishness and goodness and bitterness and hatred and debauchery and sodomy and every vile thing how would you run the affairs of these people who number as much as 7.5billion worldwide. Especially since with all your power you allowed them to still have FREEWILL .... So if you could be God for a year how would you handle creation bearing in mind that doing good for one could be the cause of anothers pain.... Since you say God is flawed then show us an alternative. |
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