MizMyColi:
1. You talked about what is truly known about the man Jesus....

Save for our gut instinct, how can we be sure as to what is the truth about his life and times, especially considering that neither you, I, nor anyone in this age was present during his lifetime.

Some have even argued that he never existed, some swear that they know him and even dined with him before stepping out.

Is there some proof out there that he actually died and rose again?

I won't deny that lately, I have had cause to think that some parts of the bible might have been "modified" because tbh, if I followed the bible to the latter, I would not believe in God....

Which brings me to my last question for now.

(Though I like to think of Jesus as the son of God, not a deity. Referring to Jesus as deity makes me feel pagan-ish)
Do you believe that there is an Almighty God from whom these deities proceed?

cc: Sarrassin

Wilgrea7:


permit me for replying.. even though i was not mentioned

Sarassin:


Likewise, permit me to reply even though you have not quoted me. You have made some very good points, some I agree. Early Christianity was obviously Gnostic in nature, the earliest Gospel being that of Mark even with its inherent redactions is exceptionally Gnostic in nature and do you know that, with the exception of the writings attributed to Paul of Tarsus within the bible itself there is not one piece of documentary evidence that has surfaced anywhere in the world, written prior to the 4th century that supports Pauline orthodoxy. All the discovered writings pre-dating the Nicene council from the Dead sea scrolls to the Nag Hammadi find are Gnostic in nature. No prizes for guessing who copied from whom.

You say there is evidence that Jesus died and rose up, what evidence might this be?

Finally, Divinity is “conferred”. We consider Jesus deservedly Divine because of the quality of his life but biblical writers took things further by ascribing divinity using the passage of 1 John 5:7, a passage now known to be fraudulent. What is more? Without that passage, you cannot infer the trinity in the bible.

Sarassin:


We can be certain that Jesus of Nazareth lived and died. We are also certain that early Jewish Christians, Greeks and Romans had far better information about the life and times of the man Jesus than we do at present, we are 100% percent that this information was largely suppressed and destroyed by later church authorities, but for the intrepid and the brave, the life of Jesus can be whispered through the ghosts of history.

It is clear that Jesus was tried for sedition and sentenced to death by crucifixion, we know this because the Roman’s although merciless were not careless, they recorded details of all capital trials, unfortunately the details of the trial records of Jesus did not make good reading for Christians, it talked about “Jesus’ gang, Brigandage, highway men and robbers”, it contained none of the present day fairy tales of Jesus bantering with Caesar “Are you the King of the Jews?” e.t.c, e.t.., The very idea of an accused speaking back at Caesar in first century Palestine is laughable. In fact the trial records reflected so badly on Christianity that Jewish Christian authorities would not even pick up a copy of the proceedings, and when it was finally made public in the 3rd century…..it was disowned.

There is no evidence beyond belief and faith that Jesus rose from the dead, imagine the reaction of the Roman authorities if a man they had just sentenced to death had the temerity to climb down from his crucifixion and walk around in broad daylight for at least 40 days.

The sermon on the mount is one of the few authentic sayings of Jesus, there are technical reasons for this that I would rather not go into here, but there are dozens others attributed to Jesus that he could never have uttered, for instance, the story about the “coin in the mouth of the fish”

I would not say that the Bible has been modified, that is to imply that there once existed a more “original “version and that was never the case. Christians know only what Christian authorities wish them to know.

None of this diminishes Jesus. Whether you refer to him as a deity or a God or a son of God is largely irrelevant. Jesus is in the pantheon of the greats and stands unique as the emanator of compassion to mankind. In truth, man looks in the mirror and creates his God in his own image, we create our own deities by constant adoration and once that adoration ceases, the gods cease to exist. One hundred years from now our descendants will deify and worship Mother Theresa. Deities are an emanation of the Supreme Divine being in a form knowable to humankind.

Ranchhoddas:
Shut up!

Anas09:

My beloved Sarassin, Jesus never stood judgement before caesar, its was Pilate. The alligations seemed trumped up for Pilate, hence he needed to hear from the accused. Jesus was accused of declaring that he was the King of the Jews. Hence, that question.

Anas09:
You like stuff like this.

Sarassin:


You are correct of course mi amore, it was the procurator Pilate and not Caesar. By the time I realised the error I was too lazy to make the changes. Sedition was just one of the charges levelled against Jesus and in fact the words inscribed on the notice above Jesus' on the cross are the exact words we find in the Roman charge sheet, it was the only charge that made it unto the Christian statutes, but there were others. The Romans did not consider the charges trumped up...not according to them anyway.

MizMyColi:
Wilgrea7 Sarassin

I just finished reading your exchanges.
I found them very interesting.
It's almost like I don't have questions anymore.

What remains now is to experience Jesus personally. To know him and relate to him like I relate with the almighty.

Christianity has so screwed with my head that I find such terms like "Gnosticism" very occultic in nature.

But then, I find that I am sort of attracted to things that have to do with the abstract and maybe the occult, in a superficial way....not in the evil, bloodsucking sense o.

I wish I could even express the above better. For example, I am more likely to watch A Doctor Strange movie than a Christian movie...

I feel very attracted to mysticism...
Not sure I can go through with what it entails to practice though. My Christian upbringing makes such path very scary

Ranchhoddas:
I can totally relate to this. Christianity has succeeded in demonizing everything outside of it. I can't even read a different material without feeling like I'm doing something bad.

MizMyColi:


It is serious
Very serious.

I told my sweet Ma that my friend wants to marry an Atheist.
Hian...
There is nothing I did not hear that day.

lastkingsman:



kwakwakwakwakwakwakwakwa CWO

MizMyColi:


President for that matter.

MizMyColi:
...

MizMyColi:



What remains now is to experience Jesus personally. To know him and relate to him like I relate with the almighty.

Christianity has so screwed with my head that I find such terms like "Gnosticism" very occultic in nature.

But then, I find that I am sort of attracted to things that have to do with the abstract and maybe the occult, in a superficial way....not in the evil, bloodsucking sense o.

I feel very attracted to mysticism...
Not sure I can go through with what it entails to practice though. My Christian upbringing makes such path very scary.

"Oceans (Where Feet May Fail)"

You call me out upon the waters
The great unknown where feet may fail
And there I find You in the mystery
In oceans deep
My faith will stand

Your grace abounds in deepest waters
Your sovereign hand
Will be my guide
Where feet may fail and fear surrounds me
You've never failed and You won't start now

So I will call upon Your name
And keep my eyes above the waves
When oceans rise
My soul will rest in Your embrace
For I am Yours and You are mine

Spirit lead me where my trust is without borders
Let me walk upon the waters
Wherever You would call me
Take me deeper than my feet could ever wander
And my faith will be made stronger
In the presence of my Savior

Wilgrea7:

cool



i understand you... the first time i told my friends i was reading the book of enoch, they freaked out.. its normal



me too... I'm attracted to gnostic stuffs... it widens my knowledge


i had a Christian upbringing too.. when i broke away from fundamentalism, i began to fear things less... I'm still a Christian.. not just a fundamentalist.. i find things like OBE's, lucid dreams and astral projection fascinating.. these are evidences of our spiritual nature.. but mainstream Christianity frowns at such.... if you wanna engage in esoterism, please don't jump into it.. take it step by step.. cheers

lastkingsman:


chai! Na you go find trouble by telling her Na. I am a deist but I no fit tell my momsy. If she finds out, she will preach and pray until I repent I don't have strength for her drama.

Ranchhoddas:
I can totally relate to this. Christianity has succeeded in demonizing everything outside of it. I can't even read a different material without feeling like I'm doing something bad.

sonmvayina:
Till today the jews still regard Jesus as the son of a prost.tute at best...and that is what i am leaning towards..
i have asked a question on this forum: who is the famous prost.tute in Revelation 17?..no body seems to know?..i did a little research on my own..i found out she is no other than Inanna, Venus, Aphrodite,Ishtar...and Mary(the mother of jesus) all same spirit, different incarnations....she is also LUCIFER(the light bearer, since jesus is the light) according to the new testament..

LoJ:

Hello Mizmycoli,

First off, permit me to say I appreciate you and your writings. I believe you are already on a "higher path" and will surely find your way soon.

I think I am entitled to air an opinion, since I can relate to your experience. I was a former charismatic pastor, although quite young. I had to break free from religion to continue my quest for the divine. With the help of ethereal beings and great spiritual minds I was privileged to exchange with, (including Sarassin), I achieved some spiritual breakthrough and found my path. It is happening to you too, and quite soon.

Before you experience any piece of truth, you must first of all be free, internally, from fear and religious bondage. Truth requires objectiveness, because Truth, is sometimes ugly. Truth does not always suit our constructed universe, but only objective Truth sets one free. So the Truth we are looking for, is closer to us. It is actually inside of us, a part of us. If we just dare take, "the untaken road" in the words of Robert Frost.

Now Back to your question: Who is Jesus of Nazareth? Did he actually exist?

I vividly remember, when as a Young Pastor, an "angel" asked me, who I thought Jesus was, and what he was doing during his "unknown" years. I was troubled, because I had never given a thought on the topic, and wonder why would an ethereal being of Light and love ask me such a question. This was the beginning of a long journey that ultimately led me to a greater experience of the divine, although preceded by many disillusions/disappointments.

There is no doubt historical figures existed who correspond to the description of Jesus of Nazareth. The (false) story of the killing of babies under Herod makes no sense, unless it is an attempt to justify why a Man born and living in Nazareth would claim David's royalty. If it was an entirely fictitious character, the writers would have him born and live in Bethlehem directly. The attempt to twist historical facts in order to link a man from nazareth to Bethlehem, can only be made if at least there is/was actually a man in Nazareth who claimed some form of Messiahship.

Moreover, the idea of a Christ / "god" coming down on earth like a man and dying and resurrecting to save the world although ridiculous for any objective mind, is very recurrent in human history/mythology. It is my opinion that it translate some higher truth about the human psyche, a bigger picture that deserves attention. In other words, it tells more about us, men, than about god.

Obviously thec hristian Bible is not and can't be a faithful representation of Jesus' life and teaching, nor of anything. The main reason is that, the Bible is not a Book but a collection of Books, of diverse origins written with different purposes, and all compiled by men with specific motives. So the Bible represents, what those men wanted the people to believe in, and not necessarily, what "is".

All in all, all search for god stops when the quest for self begins. "Know thyself" said Socrates, "to thine own self be true" said Shakespeare,
"Ye are gods" said the psalmist.

Cheerful greetings.

ScienceWatch:
beware ! This guy's comments prove that he was never a true pastor anyway. A true pastor will never quote atheists like Shakespeare and Socrates when the Bible, the Holy Gospels and Acts is true about the life of Jesus.

Emmanuels TV is a saving grace today.

Chose one gospel or Acts to Read while watching. You will instantly realize that the Bible contains the true about Jesus.
If it were a Roman lie, how come the evidence in the holy Scoan proves otherwise.

lastkingsman:


who are you? who do you think you are?

MizMyColi:
Good morning.
This is the thread.
Let me get my questions ready

MizMyColi:


Okay. Thank you.

ScienceWatch:
Emmanuels TV is a saving grace today...

ScienceWatch:
the evidence in the holy Scoan proves otherwise.

ScienceWatch:
scientifically verified in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and on Emmanuel TV...

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Emmanuel TV provide the most scientifically verifiable evidence of the highest spiritual TRUTH to the world 24 HRS A DAY

MizMyColi:
I used to sing this song a lot as a faithful Christian.

ScienceWatch:
Hi Sarrasin, with so much contradicting statements about your respect for Jesus, you would have made a far greater impact by just saying you that you take from life, whatever is convenient for you.

The few people alive today that has gone deeper into a direct connection with Jesus, experience much more than compassion. They were given practical power to heal and deliver evil spirits from the suffering masses. SARRASIN proves that the spirits she contacts give her nothing for others, only for her selfish needs.

Here Jesus Christ explains who he is and why He came into the world.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the True God, but by me.

Joh 17:18 What I was sent into the world to do, I also sent them into the world to do the same.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches. Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.