felixomor:


Use your google and study about them,
U will learn...

Here they are...they cover their unclothedness with leaves. Which animal had ever done such? They live inside huts they constructed. They even farm and cook their food sef.
Which animal does all these things

nobaga:
It seems that those of us that have not studied anthropology, do not realize that humans that have never made contact with the outside world, that have never been exposed to religion or God, live and flourish in peace and harmony. They establish their own culture of marriage, farming, hunting for man,woman and children. Many have been discovered in Asia, so it is not an African thing. Ignorance is a disease.

I would've brought this up too but I wanted a documented and educated people to use as example who has records of their history in order not to sound like I'm arguing from ignorance

that's why the Japanese fits the bill as they believe in a god but don't really worship any and at no point did they ever trace their morality to this god in any way cuz it was deistic version of god that never told them anything is right/wrong, they figured it out by themselves

felixomor:


Pls stop talking like these......
Do u know that a 2 years old baby is already being wired to start learning right and wrong from the parents?
Please go and study developmental milestones....

And that humility possessed by that child to learn, is that not morality? Having a teachable mind is that morality and who taught the babies to have it with them at birth? Their parents? Lol.

Pastafarian:


I would've brought this up too but I wanted a documented and educated people to use as example who has records of their history in order not to sound like I'm arguing from ignorance

that's why the Japanese fits the bill as they believe in a god but don't really worship any and at no point did they ever trace their morality to this god in any way cuz it was deistic version of god that never told them anything is right/wrong, they fijoritygnaured it out by themselves

The people of Nipon have sense. That's why majority of them are geniuses.

felixomor:


Use your google and study about them,
U will learn...

Why would he use Google when he's mind is made up already?

felixomor:


You don't have evidence of how humans constructed the concept of good and bad fron nothing....

Humans created the concept of good and bad because they want to live in a stable.society based on what ever concept and notion of what "stable" is. That is why morality varies from.society to society and period in time.

It is impossible to do such.
Japanese practice a religion that was founded by someone whose morality was shaped by the knowledge of a creator....

Name the first Japanese that founded the religion, time and date and wheRe exactly he said that his idea of a creator God shaped his idea of morality. Deist do not believe in a God that has anything to do with morality. The deist God is ONLY a creator God/Gods that created and left.

So if u say they did it without the knowledge of a creator, its not true.

You've not show that they did it with a creator. Humans created and continue to createwhat ever moral code of conduct they chose to live by. Morality is purely a human creation that is why it varies from society to society and period in time.

Morality was already moulded into the founders background already while growing with his religious parents...who believed in a creator .....

Japanese people mostly believe in a deisticconcept of God that has nothing to do with morality. They only beleive in a creator God that created and left.

Someone like u already has religous morality moulded into u by your parents.
Even if u found a religion tomorrow, u will subconsciously transfer what u have been taught....

Thats how it works.

I find most of the pacifist teachings of christianity to be silly and as such will not pass them to my kids. Most people in the west for example do not agree with the teachings of christianity. Most don't see premarital sex as wrong, they don't see see gay relationship as wrong just to name a few examples. They don't see most of the things that christianity condemns as wrong.

Morality is a creation of man.

otemanuduno:
And that humility possessed by that child to learn, is that not morality? Having a teachable mind is that morality and who taught the babies to have it with them at birth? Their parents? Lol.

Sorry,
Humility and morality are not the same...
Besides what the baby does is not humility,
Its body is not yet matured enough to express his emotions fully....
Thats for that.

otemanuduno:

Here they are...they cover their unclothedness with leaves. Which animal had ever done such? They live inside huts they constructed. They even farm and cook their food sef.
Which animal does all these things

And these u just listed are the definition of morality?
Sorry.

dalaman:


Humans created the concept of good and bad because they want to live in a stable.society based on what ever concept and notion of what "stable" is. That is why morality varies from.society to society and period in time.




Name the first Japanese that founded the religion, time and date and wheRe exactly he said that his idea of a creator God shaped his idea of morality. Deist do not believe in a God that has anything to do with morality. The deist God is ONLY a creator God/Gods that created and left.





You've not show that they did it with a creator. Humans created and continue to createwhat ever moral code of conduct they chose to live by. Morality is purely a human creation that is why it varies from society to society and period in time.



Japanese people mostly believe in a deisticconcept of God that has nothing to do with morality. They only beleive in a creator God that created and left.



I find most of the pacifist teachings of christianity to be silly and as such will not pass them to my kids. Most people in the west for example do not agree with the teachings of christianity. Most don't see premarital sex as wrong, they don't see see gay relationship as wrong just to name a few examples. They don't see most of that christianity condemns as wrong.

Morality is a creation of man.

Please when was Japan formed?

It seems Once u r Talking, u loose a sense of time..

felixomor:


Please when was Japan formed?

It seems Once u r Talking, u loose a sense of time..

Japan is an example of a society that believe in a God concept that has nothing to do with morality but they created a moral system like any other human society.

Even our own ancestors created their own moral system before the Arabs and Europeans conquered them and forced them to accept their religions and their moral codes of conduct.

dalaman:


Japan is an example of a society that believe in a God concept that has nothing to do with morality but they created a moral system like any other human society.

Even our own ancestors created their own moral system before the Arabs and Europeans conquered them and forced them to accept their religions and their moral codes of conduct.

When was Japan formed?


And please did u just mention "our ancestors"?
Were they atheists and deists?

The writer answered that question for you.

felixomor:


And please did u just mention "our ancestors"?
Were they atheists and deists?

nobaga:
The writer answered that question for you.

And his answer contradicts the notion of h person i replied.....

felixomor:


When was Japan formed?

What has that git to do with the fact that Japanesepeople believe in a deist God as most of their history shows? Your evidence that they attributed their morality to any God is what? Date, time and the venue where they did that is what you are to provide.

And please did u just mention "our ancestors"?
Were they atheists and deists?

They dont have to be. They still created a system of morality that helped them live their lives according to what they felt was right or wrong.

For example some.of them truly believed that killing twins was good and should be encouraged. Which God told them that in reality? Others believe that people needed to be sacrificed to appease the weather Gods when there was a drought. Some believed that women had bo right to inheritance at all. In fact they beliwve it wrong and evil for women to have any inheritance. Did any God / Gods really teach them that in reality or did they just create it out of their own ignorance, intentions and superstitions?

dalaman:


What has that git to do with the fact that Japanesepeople believe in a deist God as most of their history shows? Your evidence that they attributed their morality to any God is what? Date, time and the venue where they did that is what you are to provide.



They dont have to be. They still created a system of morality that helped them live their lives according to what they felt was right or wrong.

For example some.of them truly believed that killing twins was good and should be encouraged. Which God told them that in reality? Others believe that people needed to be sacrificed to appease the weather Gods when there was a drought. Some believed that women had bo right to inheritance at all. In fact they beliwve it wrong and evil for women to have any inheritance. Did any God / Gods really teach them that in reality or did they just create it out of their own ignorance, intentions and superstitions?

You already admitted they were not atheists and still went ahead to say they did it by how they felt.....

You clearly do not even know that feelings are often th outcomes of indwelling morality in a person...

Smh

felixomor:


You already admitted they were not atheists and still went ahead to say they did it by how they felt.....

You clearly do not even know that feelings are often th outcomes of indwelling morality in a person...

Smh

You have no point. You are yet to show us how any external force apart from human intuition, perception, ego, wimps, and empathy is responsible for morality. You have failed to show that morality is a human creation.

People use religion and Gods as enforcement mechanism but at the bottom of it all morality is a man made invention.

Which God created the Sharia system of morality? Was it Allah that created it in reality or did it come through many many years of moral evolution?

How do the Japanese that have always believed in a deist God that has nothing to do with human interaction get their morality from?

dalaman:


You have no point. You are yet to show us how any external force apart from human intuition, perception, ego, wimps, and empathy is responsible for morality. You have failed to show that morality is a human creation.

People use religion and Gods as enforcement mechanism but at the bottom of it all morality is a man made invention.

Which God created the Sharia system of morality? Was it Allah that created it in reality or did it come through many many years of moral evolution?

How do the Japanese that have always believed in a deist God that has nothing to do with human interaction get their morality from?

How will i "fail to show" what i disagree with?

How will i " fail to show" what is already and obviously a lie u r telling?

felixomor:


And these u just listed are the definition of morality?
Sorry.

see him, using style to digress. You said they behave like animals and I am telling you they don't. So why trying to change things now?

felixomor:


Sorry,
Humility and morality are not the same...
Besides what the baby does is not humility,
Its body is not yet matured enough to express his emotions fully....
Thats for that.

Humility is part of morality. Pride is immoral.

felixomor:


How will i "fail to show" what i disagree with?

How will i " fail to show" what is already and obviously a lie u r telling?

I made an error. You've failed to show that morality is not a human creation. Different societies with diffrent moral principles all show that they are man made. Which God told the People living in Switzerland that doctor assisted suicide is right? Which God told them that gay union is good?

You've just been talking aimlessly.

otemanuduno:
see him, using style to digress. You said they behave like animals and I am telling you they don't. So why trying to change things now?

Animals do these....
Go and look at the lives of apes in the jungle.....

Please let me ask u, why are u not wearing leaves like them....?

dalaman:


I made an error. You've failed to show that morality is not a human creation. Different societies with diffrent moral principles all show that they are man made. Which God told the People living in Switzerland that doctor assisted suicide is right? Which God told them that gay union is good?

You've just been talking aimlessly.

Somebody just misyarned and admitted it and with the same paragraph claims i am talking "aimlessly"....

What an own goal?

otemanuduno:


Humility is part of morality. Pride is immoral.

Pride is the reason why u keep writing empty threads on Nairaland even without a single follower....

If u dont know,
Know now...

Maybe u r judging urself to be immoral...

felixomor:


Somebody just misyarned and admitted it and with the same paragraph claims i am talking "aimlessly"....

What an own goal?

I know that's what you'll always dwell on. How is morality not a human creation?

dalaman:


I know that's what you'll always dwell on. How is morality not a human creation?

Please at what age does morality start shaping up in a child?

felixomor:


Please at what age does morality start shaping up in a child?

I don't know the specific age, but what has that got to do with the fact morality is a human creation ?

dalaman:


I don't know the specific age, but what has that got to do with the fact morality is a human creation ?

If u dont know the age,
Then u r not qualified to talk about morality.

U have been arguing from ignorance.
Fallacies

felixomor:


If u dont know the age,
Then u r not qualified to talk about morality.

U have been arguing from ignorance.
Fallacies

What has age got to do with the fact that morality is a human construct?

dalaman:


What has age got to do with the fact that morality is a human construct?

What does "construct" mean?
U claimed out how something was "constructed" yet u dont know the age at when it is shaped up in the same humans who u claimed "constructed" it?

U see urself?

felixomor:


Pride is the reason why u keep writing empty threads on Nairaland even without a single follower....

If u dont know,
Know now...

Maybe u r judging urself to be immoral...

Kikiki, derailing as usual. You are now attacking personality which we have both been trying to avoid since the beginning of our conversation. BTW, I am not proud, I am only confident.

otemanuduno:


Kikiki, derailing as usual. You are now attacking personality which we have both been trying to avoid since the beginning of our conversation. BTW, I am not proud, I am only confident.

Hehehehe......."confident" ko

felixomor:


Hehehehe......."confident" ko