Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by An0nimus: 7:37pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
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Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by hardbody: 8:01pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
onimcee1: I would like to know the meaning, the origin and how the following phrase should be used: : : 'all protocols observed' : That's interesting. Having always lived in the UK, it was utterly unfamiliar to me, and I had to Google to find examples of its use. Judging by the contexts I found it in (Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa, Uganda) it appears to be an African way of starting a formal speech. Now, traditionally the correct protocol for starting a formal speech is by addressing everyone in your audience in order of precedence, e.g. "Your Excellency, Minister, My Lords, Ladies and Gentlemen". In these and other African countries it is apparently now customary to start instead with: "Ladies and Gentlemen, all protocols observed". Thus the phrase means something like: "You know who you all are, just take it as read that I have listed you as corrrect protocol dictates, OK?" : Presumably the phrase originated as a way of avoiding listing your hearers in order of precedence - either because you don't know everyone there, or don't know the correct order, or because there is some dispute over who has precedence and you don't want to commit yourself. : In any country where it is now accepted as the correct way of starting a speech, it should be used to start a speech. But not anywhere else!
In addition, 'Protocols' are a system of 'rules', customs and observances which can govern any sort of activity, so if 'all protocols are observed' it means the speaker or writer is claiming that the relevant niceties have been followed. 1. It is clearly a lie. In essence you have NOT observed all protocols. It is just a claim that the necessarily rules of decorum have been observed but we all know protocol was overlooked altogether. Consider this, if you had been asked to pass a vote of thanks, would you thank one or two people and then state “All thanks given?” 2. There are other ways to observe protocol without having to mention each and every dignitary present. One way is clustering: You can use a general phrase to address all that fall within a certain category – honourable delegates, distinguished ladies and gentlemen, your excellencies, my Lords etc. That way due diligence is paid. 3. It is a home-grown expression, unrecognised by the rest of the world. Other than Kenyans, Nigerians, Ugandans and some South Africans who have become accustomed to hearing this, the expression remains totally alien to the rest of the world. Your audience will be at a loss as to what you mean; and as to why you have opted for that ‘short- cut.’ 4. It is not necessary to use that expression when protocol has indeed been observed. At times the speaker does indeed take his or her time to mention the dignitaries in the audience in order of precedence but spoils it by concluding the list with “all protocols observed.” If protocol has indeed been observed then that will be apparent to the audience and therefore redundant to include that out-of-place phrase. Well you can then say, i stand on existing protocol. .... So i should be analysing and calling out dignitaries that i do not know in their order of importance....abeg i 1 Like |
Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by joe17: 8:16pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
menxer: Come on! That phrase ("all protocols observed" or "standing on existing protocols" ) is used mainly by subsequent speakers at a function when the first speaker must have acknowledged the presence of all dignitaries.
Besides that it's not a practice in UK or USA does not make it wrong.
Are we not free to decide how we greet ourselves?
u just said my mind 1 Like |
Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by McApata(m): 9:17pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
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Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by Mikkyjay17(m): 10:39pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
onimcee1: I would like to know the meaning, the origin and how the following phrase should be used: : : 'all protocols observed' : That's interesting. Having always lived in the UK, it was utterly unfamiliar to me, and I had to Google to find examples of its use. Judging by the contexts I found it in (Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa, Uganda) it appears to be an African way of starting a formal speech. Now, traditionally the correct protocol for starting a formal speech is by addressing everyone in your audience in order of precedence, e.g. "Your Excellency, Minister, My Lords, Ladies and Gentlemen". In these and other African countries it is apparently now customary to start instead with: "Ladies and Gentlemen, all protocols observed". Thus the phrase means something like: "You know who you all are, just take it as read that I have listed you as corrrect protocol dictates, OK?" : Presumably the phrase originated as a way of avoiding listing your hearers in order of precedence - either because you don't know everyone there, or don't know the correct order, or because there is some dispute over who has precedence and you don't want to commit yourself. : In any country where it is now accepted as the correct way of starting a speech, it should be used to start a speech. But not anywhere else!
In addition, 'Protocols' are a system of 'rules', customs and observances which can govern any sort of activity, so if 'all protocols are observed' it means the speaker or writer is claiming that the relevant niceties have been followed. 1. It is clearly a lie. In essence you have NOT observed all protocols. It is just a claim that the necessarily rules of decorum have been observed but we all know protocol was overlooked altogether. Consider this, if you had been asked to pass a vote of thanks, would you thank one or two people and then state “All thanks given?” 2. There are other ways to observe protocol without having to mention each and every dignitary present. One way is clustering: You can use a general phrase to address all that fall within a certain category – honourable delegates, distinguished ladies and gentlemen, your excellencies, my Lords etc. That way due diligence is paid. 3. It is a home-grown expression, unrecognised by the rest of the world. Other than Kenyans, Nigerians, Ugandans and some South Africans who have become accustomed to hearing this, the expression remains totally alien to the rest of the world. Your audience will be at a loss as to what you mean; and as to why you have opted for that ‘short- cut.’ 4. It is not necessary to use that expression when protocol has indeed been observed. At times the speaker does indeed take his or her time to mention the dignitaries in the audience in order of precedence but spoils it by concluding the list with “all protocols observed.” If protocol . bco tell us another phrase to replace that one. I'm learning but with sense(opolo) |
Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by onimcee1(m): 11:10pm On Apr 02, 2017 |
IamaNigerianGuy: onimcee1 As you have no doubt observed from responses to your article, most Nigerians are unteachable you nailed it. |
Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by Gmajor(m): 12:10pm On Apr 03, 2017 |
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Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by Gmajor(m): 12:17pm On Apr 03, 2017 |
IamaNigerianGuy: onimcee1 As you have no doubt observed from responses to your article, most Nigerians are unteachable What a sensible person would have observed is that Nigerians are intelligent and they don't swallow B.S hook, line and sinker 2 Likes |
Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by IamaNigerianGuy(m): 5:07pm On Apr 03, 2017 |
Gmajor:
What a sensible person would have observed is that Nigerians are intelligent and they don't swallow B.S hook, line and sinker To your mind bastardizing convention is sensible? Even when you have no improvement? saying "I stand on existing protocol" makes the person sound illiterate smh. You still have much to learn |
Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by ibolomo(m): 5:46pm On Apr 03, 2017 |
protocol could also mean An accepted code of conduct; acceptable behaviour in a given situation or group. |
Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by divinelove(m): 5:50pm On Apr 03, 2017 |
Standing on the existing protocols, please you all shld ignore the OP he is a pathological attention seeker |
Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by Gmajor(m): 7:12pm On Apr 03, 2017 |
IamaNigerianGuy:
To your mind bastardizing convention is sensible? Even when you have no improvement? saying "I stand on existing protocol" makes the person sound illiterate smh. You still have much to learn Mr man what exactly is wrong with saying "standing on existing protocol"? As long as introductions have been made by a previous speaker, it is correct. Simply because the Moreover, how do you think new words find their way into the dictionary? Twerk Diss 419 Google Facebook etc. How do you think they got into the dictionary? New words are added based on popularity not correctness. 1 Like |
Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by Niyeal(m): 9:00pm On Apr 05, 2017 |
onimcee1:
you can not stand on existing protocols as none was probably in existence. below are some definitions of the term"PROTOCOL", none of them defines it as the dignitaries in an event. 1. the official procedure or system of rules governing affairs of state or diplomatic occasions. 2. the original draft of a diplomatic document, especially of the terms of a treaty agreed to in conference and signed by the parties. 3. a formal or official record of scientific experimental observations. 4. a set of rules governing the exchange or transmission of data between devices. Thanks 1 Like |
Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by MyExpression(m): 12:14pm On Dec 07, 2021 |
konfused: In Igbo settings, same rules applies, when you want to address the elders, instead of calling them out by their titled names one by one, you can say.....nke onye chiri ya zere ya........meaning, to each, let his title be for him.
So I believe that's same thing being observed by Africans when they say all protocols observed. Like the igbo culture of greeting groups in chants of "kwenu!" It is African to greeting in groups because of our communal fellowship. Unlike the vastly multinationalised European nations, they have no deep cultural identity to liken our pattern to. So they are now attempting to downplay it into ridicule and a fault- in our comprehension of the English language. Is US English language considered a pidgin? |
Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by MyExpression(m): 12:15pm On Dec 07, 2021 |
IamaNigerianGuy: onimcee1 As you have no doubt observed from responses to your article, most Nigerians are unteachable You are challenged to a debate and you're here name-calling rather than engaging Is that how you teach? |
Re: Why You Should Never Say "All Protocols Observed". by MyExpression(m): 12:17pm On Dec 07, 2021 |
mu2sa2: Stand on existing protocol or all protocols observed seems to be of Nigerian origin and the other African countries mentioned caught the bug. I see how much you think highly of yourselves. No problem. It is a possibility tho, because I share same sentiments with you. |