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Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by neocortex: 10:50am On Apr 16, 2017 |
realestniggah: Mary was the wife, she was impregnated without her consent. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Rashduct4luv(m): 10:53am On Apr 16, 2017 |
Still don't get this. Once upon a time, there were three in one God(s). One out of the three Gods became man only to be killed by death one of his creation. It was even said that Satan his baddest creation tempted him several three times. It is finished. He said. A God was sacrificed to another God to redeem the people he allegedly created. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 11:01am On Apr 16, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: Whether I appeal to his authority or not, common sense tells you that you are above that which you can totally comprehend, God not excluded. |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by TeamSimple(m): 11:03am On Apr 16, 2017 |
dalaman:No mind those confused fellow.. Same god that records sin and punishes sinners had to kill himself so he could forgive. Even a nursery school pupil should know that is stvpidity. 6 Likes |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Zenithpeak(m): 11:04am On Apr 16, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: This is the reason why it is diffcult for you and your likes to believe what God did for humanity through Christ. 2 Corinthians 4:3-6 KJV (3)But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. [5] For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. [6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by TeamSimple(m): 11:05am On Apr 16, 2017 |
sonmvayina:There god started the act of show off |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Mujtahida: 11:06am On Apr 16, 2017 |
HomoDroid:I wish you all the best with your Jesus Christ. I once believed in him. I gave him my life in expectation of the promised change but I realised I remained the same only with more guilt and condemnation and cognitive dissonance wracking my soul. I took my life back and I am happier. I don't need no savior. Cheers |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by thinkmoney(m): 11:07am On Apr 16, 2017 |
sonmvayina:Universal justice demands to correct a wrong, you have to give back what was taken. Mankind had failed, and they were doomed for destruction. But Gods love couldn't just allow him leave the work of his hand to this terrible fate. And his sense of justice couldn't let him act like a totalitarian and just close his eyes and reset everything. Remember, there are "clouds of witnesses" including angels and demons around. If he just cancel man sin, angels maybe could have been having doubts in their mind that God doesn't stick to his laid down rule. Demons might have felt justified about their revolt and maybe even think their sin as well wouldn't be punished. Jesus knowing the mind of God,willingly gave his perfect and everlasting life as a ransom so Mankind can get the perfect and everlasting life they lost back. You see the wisdom and love of God. |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Zenithpeak(m): 11:08am On Apr 16, 2017 |
[quote author=hopefulLandlord post=55611396]I reject the idea that Jesus "died" for anybody's sins or any other reason (many bad arguments here) specifically because if you die horribly on the strangely-named "Good" Friday and then come waltzing back out according to the story on Sunday afternoon, you haven't "died". But people don't like it when I rephrase it to "Jesus had the shittiest weekend ever for your sins." I'm not even sure how bad the rest of his weekend was. Was he strolling around in hell? Chilling with his dad/himself/petting zoo/aviary? Like many others, I don't mean to minimize the suffering of everyone who was crucified, including this guy. While not the most terrible way to die that I can think of, I'm sure it was just awful. But can someone explain how the "forsaking" part works? If Jesus is god, how can he forsake himself? If he's not, wasn't it the plan for God to give his only begotten son to have the shittiest weekend ever for your sins? In that case, this is collusion, not abandonment, right? Or did Jesus not know? How could he not? (And it would make Judas a necessary part of the plan, and maybe the most loyal character in the story, knowing how he would be portrayed later). Is the substitutional atonement only "activated" if Jesus is unaware of his own plan? How can he keep his own plans from himself? His character seems to have a moment of psychic prediction at the last supper. I find this whole thing very convoluted and confusing.[/quote 2 Corinthians 4:3-6 KJV (3)But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: [4] In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. [5] For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. [6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. This is the reason why it is diffcult for you and your likes to believe what God did for humanity through Christ. Satan is at work to bind your soul to himself. But I pray the Lord will librate you by his mercy. |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by TeamSimple(m): 11:08am On Apr 16, 2017 |
jeeqaa7:You as confused as Paul who wrote the Bible.. If you believe God had to die so he could forgive the sins of the world. Or is it possible I use my entire life savings to buy a car I already own? 3 Likes |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by mmsen: 11:12am On Apr 16, 2017 |
This thread gives me hope for Nigeria/Nigerians. Continue to keep your eyes open and to voice your opinion when someone or a group of people are talking nonsense. 3 Likes |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by jeeqaa7(m): 11:13am On Apr 16, 2017 |
TeamSimple: This woman's fate awaits you
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Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by jeeqaa7(m): 11:14am On Apr 16, 2017 |
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Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by TeamSimple(m): 11:14am On Apr 16, 2017 |
[quote author=Zenithpeak post=55613251][/quote] All I wanna know is if there is anyone else responsible for forgiving of sins except God? And were sins not ordinarily forgiven before the whole crucification saga came up? 1 Like |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Adulphus(m): 11:15am On Apr 16, 2017 |
dalaman: Christ is not GOD Oga! Why will God even sacrifice his Only Son to appeal himself? Those that make any sense? |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 11:15am On Apr 16, 2017 |
kilo4sure:you're deceiving yourself |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 11:18am On Apr 16, 2017 |
TheLordIsGr8:so after he started existing in flesh who now govern the world |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by mpowa(m): 11:20am On Apr 16, 2017 |
realestniggah:The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. (1 Cor 2:14.) |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 11:22am On Apr 16, 2017 |
Adonis3:The subject of the law here obviously isn't God. He's the law-giver. You're trying to obfuscate the whole argument. Adonis3: So you mean you go to sleep each day feeling scared of not waking up. Not one of 7 billion people on earth believes that, even you. But I can say that most of your day you go to bed thinking about the 'morrow. But like I said, when death stares you in the face, you'll have a rethink about the relationship between death and sleep. Death is one of the greatest questions humanity as a whole has meditated on. The fact that it is inevitable doesn't diminish its dread. Forget what you see on tv about "brave" people standing up to death. I think you're enlightened enough to know that tv only cares to appeal to human fantasy about life. Adonis3: He wasn't speaking in anticipation of future attack. He was addressing what was happening in his day. But that aside, the salvific work of Jesus remains “A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” 1Pet 2.8. Scripture says elsewhere Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed." Luke 20.18Jesus is that stone and that rock. Do not stumble on him today, else he will fall on you when the judgment comes. I pray the Lord enlightens you to see the evil of sin and death. Short of that, you cannot see past your logic. |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by thinkmoney(m): 11:22am On Apr 16, 2017 |
HomoDroid:My brother for your sake and others, pls stop propagating the teaching of the Devil unwittingly. The bible clearly teaches that God and Jesus are two different being God his the FATHER, while Jesus is the SON. To further understand this, the story of Abraham and Isaac was a pointer to the sacrifial death of Christ. Was Isaac the same as Abraham? Did they have the same authority? The king James version as some shortcomings about its translation. Its an old translation, written in an old English language and at a time when ability to research as not improve to the level we have now. Mind you the original word of God is unchangeable and it influence never wane. I love you. |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Horus(m): 11:23am On Apr 16, 2017 |
If he died for your sins, why are you still a sinner? 3 Likes |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by atoleybaba(m): 11:24am On Apr 16, 2017 |
sonmvayina:very simple Buh sadly ur church didn't teach u...dy only focused on tithe....visit jw.org and find d answer dre or if u want me to give u d answer u could mention me |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by atoleybaba(m): 11:27am On Apr 16, 2017 |
realestniggah:who is d father of computer? Buh Charles gabbage(abi werrin be his name) Buh he no get wife how he take born computer? |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by dingbang(m): 11:27am On Apr 16, 2017 |
Adonis3:death has no power..... He is d first born of all creation... |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Raintaker(m): 11:28am On Apr 16, 2017 |
Adonis3:Which one that guy be self according to xtains. Na God or Son of God? |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 11:29am On Apr 16, 2017 |
dalaman:I don't get you who is jesus and who is God? |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 11:31am On Apr 16, 2017 |
I just don't know some say jesus is the same as angel micheal some say he is God himself some say he is the son of God make una chose one na |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by atoleybaba(m): 11:32am On Apr 16, 2017 |
AnonyNymous:Why Did the Law Require Sacrifices? “The soul of the flesh is in the blood, and I myself have put it upon the altar for you to make atonement for your souls.”— LEVITICUS 17:11 . GOD made provision for individuals and for the nation as a whole to atone for their sins by means of sacrifices, or offerings. According to the Law, anyone committing a sin had to rectify the wrong and then present to Jehovah an appropriate offering. Various sins required specific offerings, and these provided a measure of relief from guilt. — Leviticus 5:5-7 . On one day each year—Yom Kippur—the high priest entered the Most Holy of the temple with the blood of sacrifices made for his own sins and for those of the people. (Leviticus 16:11, 14, 15 ) This and the other ceremonies on that day gave everyone a feeling of relief from the accumulated burden of guilt for all the past year’s sins. Without pouring out the blood of the sacrificial animal, no forgiveness could take place “because it is the blood that makes atonement.”— Leviticus 16:30; 17:11 . Why does God not just forgive us outright? Jehovah is willing to forgive “in a large way.” ( Isaiah 55:7 ) But he will never rescind his moral laws. Since God respects his own perfect standards, he cannot simply ignore our imperfections and sins. “The Rock, perfect is his activity, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; righteous and upright is he.”— Deuteronomy 32:4 . Ask yourself: ‘What would happen to society if the authorities just pardoned all criminals and released them from jail? What would happen to the entire universe if God suddenly rescinded his physical laws, such as the law of gravity?’ His moral laws are equally important. So if no imperfect human could carry out the Law perfectly, what kind of sacrifice is needed to cover our sins? Jw.org for more info |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 11:37am On Apr 16, 2017 |
God gave birth to himself. He killed himself by sacrificing himself to himself in order to save some of his creatures. He resuscitated himself after a couple of days. He will punish some of those creatures who refuse to accept that he gave birth to himself and killed himself. Or that God gave birth to a son whom he allowed to be killed and resuscitated after a few days just so that some people may be forgiven. The drama na wa 4 Likes |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 11:41am On Apr 16, 2017 |
TeamSimple: You've kept it very simple. |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 11:44am On Apr 16, 2017 |
aalangel: This doesn't change anything. |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by aalangel(f): 11:47am On Apr 16, 2017 |
Activa:That means you don't understand your question. |
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