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Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 11:47am On Apr 16, 2017 |
EnigmaticEnigma: If only you knew how tiny this earth is in the solar system, not to talk of our galaxy or milky way. By the way, there was no need for God to impress anybody with his humility. Thinking like that shows you're reasoning with your human mind and indirectly disrespecting God. 3 Likes |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 11:48am On Apr 16, 2017 |
aalangel: I didn't ask you any question. |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Zenithpeak(m): 11:49am On Apr 16, 2017 |
TeamSimple: According to Matthew 6:12 KJV And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. God of all might has the absolute power to forgive any kind of sin in whatever form and manner. But as man, we owe each other the responsibility forgiveness. Mark 11:25-26 KJV And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. [26] But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. [color=#990000][/color] Forgiveness takes its root from the nature of God which is Love. It takes love to forgive and God is LOVE. Romans 5:8 KJV But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. The dynamix of redemption is complete, we only need to endeavour to understand it. Summary God gave us the doctrine of forgiveness and demostrated it through Christ. If any man chooses to do the same, he ratifies and consider it as an act of faith. Note : if you feel I have not answer you as expected, kindly mention me again. Peace. |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 11:50am On Apr 16, 2017 |
neocortex: Who impregnated her without her consent? |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by josielewa(m): 11:51am On Apr 16, 2017 |
Onechancearmy:he has the power to lay his life and take it back....then where is the sacrifice...he cant die...can a spirit die...its only the flesh that died..he was a spirit dwelling in flesh |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 11:52am On Apr 16, 2017 |
Zenithpeak: You didn't answer his question. Were sins not being forgiven before crucifixion? 3 Likes |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by AlphaStyles(m): 11:54am On Apr 16, 2017 |
realestniggah: they choose it their self |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 11:54am On Apr 16, 2017 |
bamidelee: Existence is God's nature. It is in his nature to exist. But for man, that is not the case. Think of it this way. The world as we see and know it is a thought in mind of God. Apart from God, the world would not exist, because it is not in the nature of the world to exist. But because its in the nature of God to exist, what he "thinks" takes on a life of its own and comes into be-ing. So while Jesus is man, if he had ceased to "think" of the world for one moment, everything would vaporize. I'm sure you've sometimes conjured up a fanciful world in your imagination only for it to vaporize when the thought of food hits you. It happens because its not in your nature to exist. But you may go one step further and put your thoughts on paper and on tv. But that world cannot take a life of its own. A writer may construct elaborate characters, but at the end, the only life they have is that which the writer allows them. He puts thoughts in their minds and words in their mouth. But the situation is radically different in the case of humanity. We and our world have a life of its own. We and our world exist. We grow; we have thoughts of our own and words of our own. We have free will. Even Jesus underwent this process And the child grew and became strong... Luke 2.40 Jesus's becoming man did not take anything away from his being God. He still governs the world. The problem arises only if you see the "God" Jesus and the "man" Jesus as separate beings**. No they are one nature now. I can draw an analogy from chemistry. When you mix two elements, you often end up with a compound which is radically different from its constituent elements. Take the sexual act for example. Two people engage in intercourse, and 9 months later, they become so one that that oneness takes on a life of its own. It is no longer "two" separate entities: a sperm and an egg. But mind you, all of these are just an attempt to make sense of what we don't fully comprehend. The human mind abhors the mysterious, so it tries to penetrate the veil of deep mysteries. Even the coming of Jesus itself was a significant pulling away of the veil of mystery. At that moment[of his death] the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom...Matt 27.51 But then, if we understand him, then, he is not God. The mother may know her son through and through, but not vice versa. But the joy of the Christian is that ... when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3.2 ** (this is actually a heresy that has been dealt with in the past. I can't remember the exact name now, but you can find resources here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_heresies and here http://www.conservapedia.com/Category:Heresies) 1 Like |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by SAINTHUD(m): 11:55am On Apr 16, 2017 |
since when Is execution a sacrifice? crucifixion is as legal as any form of death sentence, the only sacrifice is the supposed fact that he was innocent of the crime yet substituted himself in our place. sacrifice is a ritual, crucifixion/execution is not a ritual 1 Like |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by sonmvayina(m): 11:56am On Apr 16, 2017 |
thinkmoney: When, The LORD sent Jonah to Nineveh, with a threat that if they don't change their ways he was going to destroy them. They repented and forsake their evil ways..God forgave them and took back the punishment..so forgiveness was possible with the sacrifice of blood.. Except you tell me, God did not actually forgave them fully..that is what I won't believe. 2 Likes |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Adonis3: 11:56am On Apr 16, 2017 |
TheLordIsGr8: Lol.. .you're getting me wrong. I'm not saying I go to bed scared of not waking up, what I said is the only reason I'm scared of death is not coming back. Same goes with most people. You think anyone would be scared if they know they'll wake up after 3 days. Now again, tell me the difference between that and beauty's sleep in beauty and the beast. Lol. #Adonis3HasSpoken |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 12:03pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
Adonis3: I wish we had a way to test this claim of yours. |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 12:17pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
dalaman:...according to the tale he was crucified by MEN, not God |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Nobody: 12:26pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
sonmvayina: Because there has to be shedding of blood for the forgiveness of sins. It's a covenant that was made and it's sealed by blood. You don't believe in God so why quote the bible? |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Zenithpeak(m): 12:28pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
Activa: Thanks I thought if you can come to term with the concept behind the whole thing, some questions won't be necessary again. But all well and good. Have you ever come across this passage in the bible? Hebrews 9:12-15 KJV Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us . [13] For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: [14] How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? [15] And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. There has been doctrine of forgiveness of sin before crucifixion and ressurection, fully ordained by God, active and potent. The crucification and ressurection of Christ did not affect it, it only bring perfection into it. Before, it used to be the high priest going into the holy portion in the terbanacle to plead for forgiveness on your behalf with your sin offering in his hand. Note : divers sin with divers offering and ritual performances. But the death and the ressurection of JESUS CHRIST brought an end to all these ritual of a thing and give us access to the throne of grace with out a wall of Separation between God and man. One of the key thing that the death and ressurection of Christ achieved for us is giving us unhindered access to God. Romans 5:2 KJV By whom also we have ACCESS by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Hebrews 4:16 KJV Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. Only what we need is to believe. Just believe....... Simple believe.......... Child like believe. Note : if you want me to say more about it, I can still do |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by FMCASH(m): 12:30pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
No common sense there sonmvayina: |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by neocortex: 12:36pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by heybee72(m): 12:53pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
How many human sacrifices have you seen that came back to life... Ta gerra rah here... He offered himself as a living sacrifice... Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by dalaman: 12:55pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
kingsouthie: The tale said he was sacrificed by God not men. |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Mudida: 1:04pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
It was God's first and last Human sacrifice...And He (God) was the sacrifice |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by FMCASH(m): 1:04pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
Receive sense bro, why will you serve God that segregate salvation Zenithpeak: |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by RosaConsidine: 1:08pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
AnonyNymous: I must admit, as a Christian, this is a pretty confusing point - that we're expected to do what God doesn't do which is forgive without blood being shed. Jesus died for pur sins and our salvation, meaning that each time we ask for forgiveness of sins, his sacrifice on the cross is reactivated to cleanse us of that sin, which is great. But how come we humans are expected to forgive each other without a shedding of blood - or is it also Jesus' sacrifice that is activated when we forgive one another? I'm quite confused. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by RosaConsidine: 1:09pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
Mudida: Errr, Jephthah's daughter....remember? 1 Like |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by VajanahDischaj(f): 1:26pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
dalaman:see mumu Wey wan claim intelligence |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by VajanahDischaj(f): 1:27pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
jeeqaa7:it's boring |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by VajanahDischaj(f): 1:28pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
Demigods666:we know u are just an outcome of a shrine. just show yourself, its a free world son. |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Zenithpeak(m): 1:33pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
FMCASH: If God in his own perogative did not segregate, there may be no way for the gentiles to access salvation. So the blindness that came upon Jews is to our advantage. Had it been the Jews were able to accept him for who he is, the rest of mankind are lost. Ask them in the days of Noah before casting your doubt. |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Mememan: 1:41pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
Radiohead6:Silly ideology So, you needs a human sacrifice to appease him right? And the only one that could even make him happy is "his begotten son"? Rubbish! 2 Likes |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Mememan: 1:42pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
Adonis3:exactly Confusion continues |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Zenithpeak(m): 1:44pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
RosaConsidine: Nothing is confusing about the whole thing! Since cruxifiction and ressurection the blood of JESUS become the standard upon which forgiveness can stand. Because, where there is no shedding of blood, there is no remmission of sin. God gave us the doctrine of forgiveness and demostrated it through Christ. If any man chooses to do the same(forgives) he (God) ratifies and consider it as an act of faith. |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Mememan: 1:45pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
sonmvayina:Yes That's what they tell you... The confusion continues.. 1 Like |
Re: Is The Crucifixion Not Synonymous To Human Sacrifice? by Mememan: 1:47pm On Apr 16, 2017 |
[s] jeeqaa7:[/s] Read your post again... Try to read with a clear head... Does it make any sense to you? |
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