modelmike7:
Touch not my anointed

ochejoseph:
Usually I stay off threads involving Apostle Johnson Sulaiman for two reasons .

1. I know something is not right somewhere

2. I run the temptation of going against scriptures and enter into the relm of judging.

Unfortunately when I came across this screaming headline "Apostle Johnson Suleiman calls David mother a Harlort" I was alarmed, but I quickly decided to dubble check, this article is not meant to rubbish the clergy man or support his assertion but to present the truth

Glancing through several scriptures, commentary ,Jewish documents, books and internet Files here is what I discovered

1. The Bible provides little detail about the mother of David the most revealing insight into Davids family was made During Samuels visit to
Jesse's family to anoint a king

I sam 16 verse 1-13

2. Searches revealed that The name of Davids mother was Nitzevet, an Israelite woman . according to the Talmud, but she is not named in the Bible. She was an ancestor of the Kings of Judah accordingly to Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitzevet


3 . According to records Jesse was not the first man Husband of Davids mother.
Nahash an Amonite king was her first Husband
(2 Sam. 17:25, 2 Sam. 10:2) & (1 Sam. 11:1; 1 Sam. 12:12).
Note : under the old testament ( Mosaic Law) divorce was allowed .

This explains why Davids two sister's where fathered by Nahash and not Jesse (David had two half-sisters (Zeruiah, Abigail) 1 Chron. 2:13-16 .

So why do few analyst and "scholars" refer to this woman as a harlot ?

1. Perhaps one of their greatest weapon could be found in one of greatest Psalms of David. Psalm 51 they claim his mother was pregnant out of marriage.


Let's take a close look at Psalm 51
kindly note the emphasis David puts On himself..,

Psalm 51:1 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out MY transgressions.2 Wash me throughly from MINE iniquity, and cleanse me from MY sin.3 For I acknowledge MY transgressions: and MY sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

Unfortunately, most people who want to reinforce the notion of Promiscuity will run to verse 5b

"in Sin did my mother conceive me"

David was not blaming his sin on his birth, but he was simply stating that even the circumstances related to his birth were surrounded by sin, and he also says that he was ”wonderfully” and ”marvelously” made by God in the womb (Ps. 139:13-14).

2. Another incident they try to use to justify this notion that does not edify is in 1 sam 16 asserting that Jesse did not consider David as one of his Sons that's why he was not considered as worthy of appearing before the prophet Samuel.


This is another speculation without any proof whatsoever.

Summary.
Davids mother was not a harlot, even the Torah advocates and those who claim his brothers treated him as a second class citizens as a result of his prayer will bow to the fact that even before slaying Goliath, his brothers were very interested in Davids safety and wanted him out of harms way as quickly as possible.

His parents were together and during his crisis period he sought safety for them

1 Samuel 22:3-4 "And David went thence to Mizpeh of Moab: and he said unto the king of Moab, Let my father and my mother, I pray thee, come forth, and be with you, till I know what God will do for me

The scriptures are explicit & God himself exposed the adulterous life of David as a king, if his mother was a harlot it would have been known, his blackmailers and enemies would have trumpeted it when he became a Israel's most wanted man .

Rahab a Harlot was an ancestor of Jesus as clearly seen In Mathew Chapter 1 :5 but to claim that Davids Mother was a harlot might be misrepresenting the truth and taking speculative commentary too far,

To end this little piece I will leave us with this scripture which has helped me from dwelling on unnecessary and unedificational theology.


'The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law" Deuteronomy 29 vs 29

Our emphasis should be on Jesus who died for our sins, surrender your life to him today and give your life a true meaning.


Enjoy your week

Oche Joseph Otorkpa

Fairgodwin:
I think, no I don't think, I feel, no not feel, I believe it's high time Christians started doing thorough research and reading their Bibles [on their own, especially in their spare time].
I remember back then, as a young Christian, whenever the service(s) for the day were over, we would always write down every scriptural passages from the preacher(s) and at home we would start studying them on our own to be sure whatever was preached tallies with what is in the scripture, especially as regards the context in which the preacher used them.
We were very serious and open minded to learning, improving, and discerning things for ourselves scripturally and spiritually back then.
I remember our pastor would personally advise us to go through everything again on our own as Christians and pray for the Holy Spirit to help us understand them better. I remember he would say God might even give us understanding in a different way from whatever the preacher said.
Oh my young Christian soul, how hast thou lost it? I'm sure most Christians were like that too but [we] have all suddenly lost it as a result of spiritual laziness and lukewarmness.

So my advice to every Christian out there would be, don't just take in everything the Apostle [and or any other preacher] said hook, line, and sinker. Go for personal research on your own, read more of your Bible, follow your God and Jesus and NOT your pastors; amen!

user6164:


Is there any chance that you can understand the Bible more than the 'anointed' man of God?

Shafiiimran99:
THE MOST DANGEROUS BOOK ON EARTH “ (the Bible)
KEEP IT UNDER LOCK AND KEY.” Keep the Bible out of your children’s reach.
Why did George Bernard Shaw called the Bible the most dangerous book on the Earth !!!?
Read Below Why The Bible is The Most Dangerous Book On
The Earth!!!
Song of Songs 8:1-3 “If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother’s breasts!
Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my
mother’s house– she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink , the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me.”
Song of Solomon 8:10
“Dear brothers, I’m a walled-in virgin still, but my breasts are full — And when
my lover sees me, he knows he’ll soon be satisfied. ”
Song of Songs 1:2-4
“Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth– for your love is more delightful than wine. Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes; your name is like perfume poured out. No wonder the maidens love you! Take me away with you–let us hurry! Let the king bring me into his chambers. We rejoice and delight in you; we will praise your love (i.e., semen) more than wine. How right they are to adore you!”
Song of Songs 3:4
“Scarcely had I passed them when I found the one my heart loves. I held him and would not let him go till I had brought him to my mother’s house, to the room of the one who conceived me .”
Song of Songs 4:9
“You have stolen my heart, my sister, my bride; you have stolen my heart with one glance of your eyes, with one jewel of your necklace.”
Song of Songs 4:10
“How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride! How much more pleasing is your love than wine, and the fragrance of your perfume than any spice!”
Song of Songs 4:12
“You are a garden locked up, my sister , my bride; you are a spring enclosed, a sealed fountain.”
Song of Songs 5:4
“I slept but my heart was awake. Listen! My lover is knocking: ‘Open to me, my sister , my darling, my dove, my flawless one. My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the dampness of the night.’ I have taken off my robe must I put it on again? I have washed my feet, must I soil them again? My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my heart began to pound for him.”
Song of Songs 5:8
“O daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you– if you find my lover, what will you tell him? Tell him I am faint with love.”
“How beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince’s daughter! Your graceful legs are like jewels , the work of a craftsman’s hands. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies. Your breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle. Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbi.
…….
I said ‘I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.’ May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine , the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine.
(The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)”
According to the documentary film “Sex in the Bible” on A&E TV Station, the Hebrew translation to “Your naval” is referring to the woman’s VAGINA .
2 Samuel 11:2-4 “One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, ‘Isn’t this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite?’ Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (She had purified herself from her uncleanness.) Then she went back home.”
The bottom here is that the bible sings praises for illegal sex (fornication and adultery), lust and sexually immoral life style! And even if they were, which they clearly weren’t, this still doesn’t justify a husband speaking in such a pornographic way about his wife and a wife about her husband.
There is absolutely no morality in this pornographic book! All it teaches is how to be lustful, loose and favor whoredom; like the Christians world-wide need any more of that! Look at their societies world-wide, you would see them notorious in sex without marriage, boyfriend-girlfriend relationships, alcohol, drugs, bikinis on beaches where 99% of the women’s bodies are totally exposed, pornography all over the internet, teenagers losing their virginities are early years, and much more. Is this the moral code that we must follow and is Bible truly inspired by God?

Fairgodwin:
I think, no I don't think, I feel, no not feel, I believe it's high time Christians started doing thorough research and reading their Bibles [on their own, especially in their spare time].
I remember back then, as a young Christian, whenever the service(s) for the day were over, we would always write down every scriptural passages from the preacher(s) and at home we would start studying them on our own to be sure whatever was preached tallies with what is in the scripture, especially as regards the context in which the preacher used them.
We were very serious and open minded to learning, improving, and discerning things for ourselves scripturally and spiritually back then.
I remember our pastor would personally advise us to go through everything again on our own as Christians and pray for the Holy Spirit to help us understand them better. I remember he would say God might even give us understanding in a different way from whatever the preacher said.
Oh my young Christian soul, how hast thou lost it? I'm sure most Christians were like that too but [we] have all suddenly lost it as a result of spiritual laziness and lukewarmness.

So my advice to every Christian out there would be, don't just take in everything the Apostle [and or any other preacher] said hook, line, and sinker. Go for personal research on your own, read more of your Bible, follow your God and Jesus and NOT your pastors; amen!

ochejoseph:
Usually I stay off threads involving Apostle Johnson Sulaiman for two reasons .

1. I know something is not right somewhere

2. I run the temptation of going against scriptures and enter into the relm of judging.

Unfortunately when I came across this screaming headline "Apostle Johnson Suleiman calls David mother a Harlort" I was alarmed, but I quickly decided to dubble check, this article is not meant to rubbish the clergy man or support his assertion but to present the truth

Glancing through several scriptures, commentary ,Jewish documents, books and internet Files here is what I discovered

1. The Bible provides little detail about the mother of David the most revealing insight into Davids family was made During Samuels visit to
Jesse's family to anoint a king

I sam 16 verse 1-13

2. Searches revealed that The name of Davids mother was Nitzevet, an Israelite woman . according to the Talmud, but she is not named in the Bible. She was an ancestor of the Kings of Judah accordingly to Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitzevet


3 . According to records Jesse was not the first man Husband of Davids mother.
Nahash an Amonite king was her first Husband
(2 Sam. 17:25, 2 Sam. 10:2) & (1 Sam. 11:1; 1 Sam. 12:12).
Note : under the old testament ( Mosaic Law) divorce was allowed .

This explains why Davids two sister's where fathered by Nahash and not Jesse (David had two half-sisters (Zeruiah, Abigail) 1 Chron. 2:13-16 .

So why do few analyst and "scholars" refer to this woman as a harlot ?

1. Perhaps one of their greatest weapon could be found in one of greatest Psalms of David. Psalm 51 they claim his mother was pregnant out of marriage.


Let's take a close look at Psalm 51
kindly note the emphasis David puts On himself..,

Psalm 51:1 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out MY transgressions.2 Wash me throughly from MINE iniquity, and cleanse me from MY sin.3 For I acknowledge MY transgressions: and MY sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

Unfortunately, most people who want to reinforce the notion of Promiscuity will run to verse 5b

"in Sin did my mother conceive me"

David was not blaming his sin on his birth, but he was simply stating that even the circumstances related to his birth were surrounded by sin, and he also says that he was ”wonderfully” and ”marvelously” made by God in the womb (Ps. 139:13-14).

2. Another incident they try to use to justify this notion that does not edify is in 1 sam 16 asserting that Jesse did not consider David as one of his Sons that's why he was not considered as worthy of appearing before the prophet Samuel.


This is another speculation without any proof whatsoever.

Summary.
Davids mother was not a harlot, even the Torah advocates and those who claim his brothers treated him as a second class citizens as a result of his prayer will bow to the fact that even before slaying Goliath, his brothers were very interested in Davids safety and wanted him out of harms way as quickly as possible.

His parents were together and during his crisis period he sought safety for them

1 Samuel 22:3-4 "And David went thence to Mizpeh of Moab: and he said unto the king of Moab, Let my father and my mother, I pray thee, come forth, and be with you, till I know what God will do for me

The scriptures are explicit & God himself exposed the adulterous life of David as a king, if his mother was a harlot it would have been known, his blackmailers and enemies would have trumpeted it when he became a Israel's most wanted man .

Rahab a Harlot was an ancestor of Jesus as clearly seen In Mathew Chapter 1 :5 but to claim that Davids Mother was a harlot might be misrepresenting the truth and taking speculative commentary too far,

To end this little piece I will leave us with this scripture which has helped me from dwelling on unnecessary and unedificational theology.


'The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law" Deuteronomy 29 vs 29

Our emphasis should be on Jesus who died for our sins, surrender your life to him today and give your life a true meaning.


Enjoy your week

Oche Joseph Otorkpa

Fairgodwin:
I think, no I don't think, I feel, no not feel, I believe it's high time Christians started doing thorough research and reading their Bibles [on their own, especially in their spare time].
I remember back then, as a young Christian, whenever the service(s) for the day were over, we would always write down every scriptural passages from the preacher(s) and at home we would start studying them on our own to be sure whatever was preached tallies with what is in the scripture, especially as regards the context in which the preacher used them.
We were very serious and open minded to learning, improving, and discerning things for ourselves scripturally and spiritually back then.
I remember our pastor would personally advise us to go through everything again on our own as Christians and pray for the Holy Spirit to help us understand them better. I remember he would say God might even give us understanding in a different way from whatever the preacher said.
Oh my young Christian soul, how hast thou lost it? I'm sure most Christians were like that too but [we] have all suddenly lost it as a result of spiritual laziness and lukewarmness.

So my advice to every Christian out there would be, don't just take in everything the Apostle [and or any other preacher] said hook, line, and sinker. Go for personal research on your own, read more of your Bible, follow your God and Jesus and NOT your pastors; amen!

sekundosekundo:
I don't know who gave him the Apostleship title, talking rubbish without Bible reference. This man is nothing but a show man going up and down deceiving his deluded followers.

2016v2017:
but what's he trying to justify?