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Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Nobody: 10:13am On Mar 13, 2018 |
Scholar8200 Hmm, you have replied as I expected sir, I guess you didn't digest what I posted earlier Sir.... Please I plead by name of God that you read it without a biassed mind.. The call to salvation is to all ... He told everyone to come, everyone to choose .... That's a general call Check all we have been saying earlier WE ALL AFFIRM THAT MAN HAS WILL____ what I called HUMAN RESPONSIBILITY So everyone is responsible for the outcome of his salvation EVERYONE Yet I KNOW TO ALL PERSUASION THAT SALVATION IS THE LORD'S besides, God told Abraham that his descendants will be brought out of Egypt and made to inherit Canaan, however, those whose carcases was wasted in the wilderness were not predestined to do so, it was the fruit of their choice. Like I said earlier EVERYONE IS RESPONSIBLE for his own actions no matter how it goes... Or what he thinks For example a Bible verse that shows this is shown in acts 4:28 and acts 2:23 Acts 4:28 To carry out all that Your hand and Your will and purpose had predestined (predetermined) should occur.(AMP) Now although God predetermined that Christ should die does that mean that those who killed him are innocent? No the killed willingly although the didn't Know that God predetermined it. This is best explained in acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain KJV ALSO showing that they are without excuse so no matter all that man does God's will can never be changed or fallen Now It might be strange to indirectly ascribe insincerity and (speaking from both sides of the mouth) to God's Sovereignty by surmising that His 'whosoever wills' are actually not so! Besides, what is God's [/b]will? exactly you still showing that you didn't really understand my earlier posts ... The message is preached to all people, yet are all saved? Why? Because God doesn't know how to accomplish his own will? Or Satan is all strong a contender With God Is election injustice in God's part is God allowing lying Spirits decieve the 400 prophets injustice, Is that word "Jacob I love Esau I hate injustice"? God's election isn't injustice.... For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 [b]who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.that's why he gave them all the gospel to heed yet we all AFFIRM that God helps some and leave others to themselves Also, the onset of the Gospel, God's promise to Abraham states clearly the Divine will, " in Him shall ALL the families of the World be blessed" That's the prophecy being fulfilled now How then will His Sovereignty refuse or deny what His Word (which He exalts more than His Name) declares? If all are not being blessed it is not for us to adduce this to God but our failure in preaching the Gospel to ALL the World as commanded. This isn't true..... He gave the gospel to all he can't deny himself God is true though everyone is a liar Lolz and did I say that the gospel shouldn't preached ?? Definitely not.. Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all Creation. 1 Like |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by 5solas(m): 11:07am On Mar 24, 2018 |
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Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by 5solas(m): 11:45am On Mar 24, 2018 |
Ubenedictus:This is a great post. It is Calvinistic. You should be bashing Pelagians and Arminians. Not Calvinists! @Ferisidowu It is standard reformed teaching that man cannot do good without grace, hence the need for grace.It is the extent of original sin. But again, you are totally on point when you say man cannot do good towards salvation. I am left with charging anyone who believes it is in man to 'choose' the Pelagian, not even semi Pelagian! |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Nobody: 9:48pm On Mar 24, 2018 |
5solas:thanks a lot Sir you answered rightly 1 Like |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Ubenedictus(m): 5:19pm On Mar 25, 2018 |
5solas:of course I bash pelagians and arminians, the Church put that belief under anathema 1600 years ago, the Calvinist simply went to the other extreme and were placed under anathema too. with the prevenient grace of God man can chose that is the Christian teaching unlike the Calvinist teaching that demands regeneration before that choice. |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Nobody: 4:08pm On Mar 26, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: who placed them under anathema? |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Ubenedictus(m): 1:13am On Mar 27, 2018 |
Ferisidowu:guess you didn't know pelagian heresy was immediately confirmed as a new teaching different from the Gospel the moment it began, it was condemned by the council of Carthage and Orange in the 4 th century. Calvinism was also confirmed as a new teaching different from the Gospel the moment it began, it was condemned by the council of Trent in the 16th century. |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Nobody: 5:38am On Mar 27, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: Who organized the council of Trent isn't the council a Catholic organization? Besides what the gospel the moment it began? And what did Calvin |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Nobody: 5:54am On Mar 27, 2018 |
Ferisidowu:[quote author=Ferisidowu post=66188310] Besides what right does the Catholic organization which practiced the most abominable acts to place anathema on other Christians ... When even they themselves are under anathema.... I have read about The council of Trent. And am saying that it's not worth it 1 Like |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Ubenedictus(m): 7:46pm On Mar 27, 2018 |
Ferisidowu:who do you think historically organises councils? of course the Church established by Christ just as the early Church did in acts 15. funny enough the council of Trent wasn't the first time the beliefs that make up Calvinism was condemned..... the entire Christian Church is pretty clear about the new heresy....it was a novum a invented myth |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Nobody: 4:14pm On Mar 29, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: Lolz I'll only accept that those doctrines are wrong if only I can get a Bible based counter argument if not .... Don't talk to me about this again.... Is it those fools who sell indulgence that will tell me what right or wrong?.. blind leaders of the blind? |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by 5solas(m): 10:40am On Mar 30, 2018 |
Ferisidowu:The Council of Trent was Catholic and against the Reformation. It was a counter reformation as its sum was to nullify all the gains of the Protestant Reformers. |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Nobody: 9:52pm On Mar 30, 2018 |
5solas: Thanks BRO. . besides the council can't counter prove from the Bible... If they can I beg ubenedictus to show me, I'd Read with an open mind ... Or he himself should write to me 1 Like |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Ubenedictus(m): 5:05pm On Apr 05, 2018 |
5solas:it is a good post, it is Christian, Calvin merely took a part of the Christian truth and twisted it to the extreme. |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Ubenedictus(m): 5:13pm On Apr 05, 2018 |
5solas:the council of Orange was also a Catholic council against the pelagian heresy, it was counter-pelegianism as its sum and was to nullify the gains of pelagianism council of nicea was anti- Arianism and countered the Arian heresy to nullify it gains. council of Jerusalem was anti-judiazer and nullified their gains too. so also the council of Trent addressed the heresy that arose in the 16th century... that isn't new, since biblical times the Christian Church has been having council against heresy. |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Ubenedictus(m): 5:19pm On Apr 05, 2018 |
Ferisidowu:actually the council didn't sell indulgence infact it condemned all those who misconstrued the teaching on indulgence and tried to make it look like a transaction. it seem as usual you are ignorant of the people you seem to condemn. since you hint at it, the council actually provided a biblical counter teaching, it reaffirmed the Christian teaching that has always been taught in Christendom... in presenting it, where will you like me to begin? |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by 5solas(m): 10:48pm On Apr 05, 2018 |
Ubenedictus:Unfortunately , usually when Calvin is attacked, it is the Reformed Faith and the Reformers that are the targets. He was in accord with other Reformers in those doctrines which are now branded as 'Calvinistic'. |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by 5solas(m): 10:58pm On Apr 05, 2018 |
Ubenedictus:True, the Council of Orange was Christian and condemned Pelagianism. That of Trent on the other hand was unchristian having airtel its goal the erosion of the gains of the Reformation. It is also in conflict with that of Orange. |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Nobody: 12:17am On Apr 06, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: I see, I'm the one you said doesn't know who he accusse ryt lolz you even said "as usual" well have it your way.. thanks God bless |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Ubenedictus(m): 8:10am On Apr 06, 2018 |
5solas:actually the council of Orange is in complete agreement with council of Trent, the Catholic Church doesn't change dogma. just as Orange condemned pelagianism as heresy so too the council of Trent condemned the heresy in the Reformation. are you even aware that the council of Orange condemned double predestination the heresy that Calvin dug up? are you aware Orange also condemned irresistible Grace another heresy Calvin dug up? it seems u are again ignorant on this issue, read up what the council of Orange condemned. |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Ubenedictus(m): 8:15am On Apr 06, 2018 |
5solas:not really, reformed theology is different from Lutheran theology, both have their own heresy but they don't agree in many things, Luther didn't teach predestination to sin...Calvin did. you need to read up on your Reformation. in fact Luther and Calvin disagree on many things so too Zwingli, so attacking Calvin's heresy, doesn't necessary affect the entire Reformation, the entire Reformation isn't Calvinist. |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Ubenedictus(m): 8:21am On Apr 06, 2018 |
5solas:would you like to see how Calvin went and taught heresy already condemned by the "Christian" council of Orange 1000 years earlier? besides do you know which Pope ratified the council of Orange since you think it was Christian but the Catholic Church isn't? how come Orange ratified by a Pope is Christian but Trent isn't? double standards? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Ubenedictus(m): 8:25am On Apr 06, 2018 |
Ferisidowu:you have a right and a reason to be displeased but this isn't the first time I come across Protestants making accusations about issues they are misinformed about like claiming the council of Trent had a hand in abusing indulgence. it is a false accusation based on either misinformation or ignorance or a rash decision to criticise. |
Re: Historical Facts! Freewillism Existed For Centuries As A Heresy. by Ubenedictus(m): 8:39am On Apr 06, 2018 |
sorry for quoting the same post 3 times. 5solas: the council of Trent wasn't to erode the good gains of the Reformation... that just isn't exactly true, anyone who read about that era will agree that there were thieves in the Church, people misconstruing doctrine for personal gains, lax ministers etc. the Church was at a turbulent time and many Catholics including Luther requested that a council should be called to address these issues. the Reformation arose to condemn these issues... unfortunately the council wasn't called early and Luther had dived into heresy and schism when it was finally called. Trent actually solidified the good gains made by the Reformation, and pursued away the thieves in the Church, reformed the lives of the clergy, and revitalized the Church through the holy spirit, it also condemned the heresy the reformers fell into. it took the good gains and rejected the false ones |
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