you're giving religion too much credit

BlueAngel444:


You decide to term it secular law, do you know how long man as existed and how these laws first came to be.
Most laws have their derivatives from some forms of religion. You can't uproot religion from history. It's like calling your father's and those that have existed before you fools, yet building upon the foundations they have laid. Fine taking into account they were perfect ans made errors.
Man hasn't grown more wise, jus more confused.

laws are required for any society, once man decided to come together and live as more of a unit, they made laws, religion and gods aren't required, the Japanese for instance believe in a deistic god (aka a god that created them but didn't tell them how to live their lives) but that didn't stop them building a society, they figured it out on their own

gods and religion are not needed, they're simply (at best) an enforcing mechanism for the laws man already made

BlueAngel444:


You don't believe in God so how do you define your existence

And how do u discover your purpose

Lol.

How about you discover the exciting world of science, and perhaps philosophy.
Try it.

Deicide:
I saw this on a blog and decided to share it here it talks about the different stages of Atheism............

Level 1 – Divinity

Do you believe in god(s)? Forget the Dawkins scale, it’s a simple question, if you can’t answer it “no” then you’re not an atheist, and you don’t need to go any further on this list. If you think there might be god(s), or haven’t made up your mind, then you can call yourself something other than an atheist. Gods are not necessarily all powerful, but they are supernatural beings with independent or self-determined causation and determinism – meaning that they can make their own decisions, and are not required to act in any certain way, nor can they be controlled by humans. Humans can appeal to them, worship them, ignore them, placate them, or trade with them giving gifts or offerings in exchange for material or spiritual benefits. They can be all powerful, or even just mildly more potent than humans in certain things. Also, not all of them are immortal.

Level 2 – Spirituality

Do you believe in angels, human spirits, souls, ghosts, poltergeists, jinn, nature spirits, demons, possession, astral projections, etc.? Basically, this level covers everything that exists in what is usually called the supernatural, which is simply anything not proven to exist. Frankly, if you can’t put it in a zoo, but you still believe it exists, then you don’t make it to this level. It never fails to surprise me how many atheists I meet who believe in ghosts, souls, and other oddities. It’s like Arthur Conan Doyle writing about the clear thinking Sherlock Holmes, while at the same time being immersed in spiritualism and a belief in fairies. These things are no different than gods, except that people usually ascribe a natural causation for them. I heard someone once claiming that they were spawned by the Earth’s natural background radiation level, or even cosmic rays. A claim to being part of our normal world, and evolving within it, but being ephemeral or unknowable, somehow makes it better? How many times have I heard that souls and ghosts are a natural result of our human consciousness created by our brains? Look, if it stores information, it has to be a form of the physical construct, unless all our physics is rubbish, so it could be found – but it hasn’t been, and won’t be until the Standard Model has been overthrown.

Level 3 - Superstition

Superstition covers all manner of unconscious but still supernatural actions and reactions, like lucky charms (such as Buddha charms, rabbit feet, or Japanese Omamori), unlucky numbers (like 13 in the Christian West, or in cultures influenced by China), unlucky activities (walking under a ladder or breaking a mirror in the West), lucky activities (like crawling through a temple pillar hole, kissing the Blarney stone, or crawling under a temple floor), unlucky occurrences (like having a black cat cross your path), unlucky colors (wearing funeral white in the East, or the wrong color on certain days in Thailand – which is why so many people drive silver, white or black cars to avoid being in a wrong color car on the wrong day), etc. All these things could be tested and statistically proven to be no more or no worse than any other occurrence. They are considered to be unconscious agents of supernatural impact, delivering “luck” or “misfortune” according to their nature. Sometimes, the impact can be mitigated, misdirected, or amplified, depending on the action of the affected party.

Some people would put things like homeopathy, astrology, acupuncture, traditional medicines, osteopathy, chiropractors, fortune telling, and tarot reading all into this category as well. (Faith healing and exorcism are in Level 1 or 2, as that relies on the intervention of a third party supernatural being to affect the cure.) Now, all the foregoing have some placebo level of success, and there are a few cases where the treatment is indeed marginally beneficial towards the ailment. But for all their broad claims, they are unsubstantiated for the most part and any confidence in their efficacy is no different than the blind faith in a charm, talisman, or fortune teller.

Level 4 - Quantum-something

Quantum mechanics is somewhat mind-bending in its implications, as they are so far afield from our conscious understanding of our world. But quantum mechanics is fundamentally a part of physics derived from a series of core mathematical formulas. It’s not metaphysics, nor is it in any way philosophical. There are a number of ways in which certain experimental results can be “explained” or interpreted in language other than the language of mathematics, but the “true” explanation is always the mathematical one.

Most people who ascribe extra-natural events to this source usually do so on a totally different basis than how physics is actually practiced. Yes, there are theoreticians who ponder the existence of multiple universes or realities which “collapse” into the current reality once a triggering “observation” has occurred, but these do not manifest themselves on any level that a human being unaided by technology could ever encounter. Over the years, I’ve seen virtually everything ascribed to some utterly unsupported “quantum” effect, like pyramid power, enhanced cognitive skills, influences on future events, personal auras, enhancing “luck” of some form or another (although it’s usually couched in the language of probabilities), and so forth. Some of them sound like a fantasy world created by Roger Zelazny, known as the Amber Chronicles, where certain beings can collapse different states of potentiality into “reality”.

Often, these complex concepts from physics are mixed with notions of consciousness. The only thing worse than mischaracterizing one field of science is to combine it with another mischaracterized area, in say biology or psychiatry (which some people might partially put into Level Three with good reason, since there is still no physical test for almost all psychiatric conditions diagnosed by physicians). Deepak Chopra’s works, which frankly I’ve found unreadable, but which are wildly popular, fall squarely into this category of pretentious quasi-science quackery.

There are some interesting books out there by reputable physicists which do raise some of these issues, but none of them is in the form of a self-help book. There are no formulas for how to collapse a meaningful waveform (that was what Schrodinger’s famous cat6 was all about) in real life. And the toxic mix of physics and metaphysics is about as useful as contemplating the number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin. When someone comes up with a mathematical formula which you can use to change your circumstances, get a good night’s sleep, or change your mental attitude, then it’s real science – but not before.

Level 5 - The Force

This is the most frustrating one to encounter. It’s the belief in “something” or in Spinoza’s “nature” god. Perhaps it’s gained popularity from the “Star Wars” series, and people just like the idea of all life being connected, in a sort of “feel-good-about-nature” and “have-wild-sex-with-the-blue-sexy-natives” “Avatar” (the movie) sense. (Just on a personal note, I really hate movies where lower tech societies defeat high tech ones – maybe it makes people feel good at some level, but then so does Santa Claus.)

In any event, it’s still a belief in something utterly unsubstantiated, no matter how “at one” you feel with life and the universe when you’re feeding the squirrels in the park. No, it’s not an anthropomorphic or personified “god”, and yes it’s sort of like the Hindu concept of Brahman, or Nirvana in some Buddhist doctrines, but that is not exactly an endorsement. Having compassion for all other life is indeed laudable, but you don’t need to go the extra step to justify this conviction by imbibing some cosmic intoxicant. And no, there is no “quantum consciousness” (see Level 4 above).

Level 6 – None of the Above

You’re totally free of any supernatural or unquantifiable beliefs about causation in your personal universe. Your morality is consistent with your own personal philosophy, and you don’t carry good luck charms, except for sentimental value. Congratulations.

So, where do you stand on the Atheist scale? No gods, but ghosts? No soul but good old Mother Nature? Being an atheist is just one step on the road to adopting a questioning attitude towards life. For a great many of the questions that humans crave answers for, there are no objective answers. Sometimes you have to be brave enough to walk in the darkness, knowing that you don’t know what’s there, as opposed to walking in with your imaginary friend or lucky talisman.

Basically if you don't belief in your own existence and occurrence in nature your an atheist

plaetton:

Lol.

How about you discover the exciting world of science, and perhaps philosophy.
Try it.

Only if you knew what I have studied for years and my search to prove if their is God or not

hopefulLandlord:
you're giving religion too much credit



laws are required for any society, oncE decided to come together and live as more of a unit, they made laws, religion and gods aren't required, the Japanese for instance believe in a deistic god (aka a god that created them but didn't tell them how to live their lives) but that didn't stop them building a society, they figured it out on their own

gods and religion are not needed, they're simply (at best) an enforcing mechanism for the laws man already made

Without a common belief system there cannot be a society, for man is in his very nature selfish.

Proven by the way men lived pre-noah, no governmental structure ever recorded or based teachings to lay claim to the earth. Infact it was at babel the first gov. system was made

BlueAngel444:


Without a common belief system there cannot be a society, for man is in his very nature selfish.

Proven by the way men lived pre-noah, no governmental structure ever recorded or based teachings to lay claim to the earth. Infact it was at babel the first gov. system was made

you haven't countered my point that a god/religion is not necessary

hopefulLandlord:


you haven't countered my point that a god/religion is not necessary

Religion is the political tool used to rule the people, not military, not finance, religion be it biased, moral or ethical.
American's root is Britain (Anglican after Roman Catholic)
The Middle East had Islam, I'm those days people will only follow you because u seem to have the favor of the gods.

Babylon had a religion which is prevalent now worshipping, loving and adoring Mammon, mad made structures, wealth, some their own minds and their inventions

BlueAngel444:


Are you Otem that wrote doctrine of the Ufo,

yes

Blueangel444: claiming to have been visited by an angel

No, I was actually visited by a god and not an angel. The gods are superior to angels.

Blueangel444: but in fact taking time to compel historical notes with fantasy just to delude the mind of the simple

No, you are telling a lie against me.

OtemAtum:
yes

No, I was actually visited by a god and not an angel. The gods are superior to angels. No, you are telling a lie against me.

Am not certain where your source is from and I didn't read it all, but their were lots of elements you used that seemed copied.

So are there more witnesses or its just you

Cause the through doesn't change even in time

What's the root of the message because that of Jesus is love, what is yours

BlueAngel444:


Do they really hate God, for that to be they must first know of him. I feel they are more confused and frustrated with the questions they have no true answer to, burdened by such quest they lay it aside as futile even before they begin

Pls let them know.

BlueAngel444:


Am not certain where your source is from and I didn't read it all, but their were lots of elements you used that seemed copied.

So are there more witnesses or its just you

Cause the through doesn't change even in time

What's the root of the message because that of Jesus is love, what is yours

If there is no single similarity between the available scrolls and the one I am dishing out right now, then there should be no credibility in what I am writing because what that would simply mean is that I'm trying to say that all former scrolls are 100% fictitious which isn't true. Things in the bible, Quran, etc are corrupted version of the truth and my own purpose on earth is to come and make amendments, write the truth exactly as they were and that's what I'm doing right now, hence the resemblance you see.

Concerning what I bring, being in three fold:

1. Use your brain- the brain is the organ that can bring the best out of humanity when used maximally. (Remember bible and quran left out the word 'brain' in their books, hence their books become brainless.

2. Worship no god- remember the religious books emphasize the worship of one form of god or the other, but this act will only bring limitation to what human beings are capable of doing as the brains will not be able to access some parts of itself to do maximum exploit. Take religion off anyone and he/she will perform maximally. You may not believe this.

3. Do good to humanity- this is the pivotal message of the DOCTUFOS and the purpose of God Almighty to everyone. Doing good should be a habit. Yes, doing good is an act of love, so love is a part of my message to humanity.

Very many witnesses abound but the popes, religious people etc have killed them under the guise of heresy. They were brutally dealt with and their scrolls were burnt, but thanks to Atum who is revealing the contents of the hidden scrolls to me. Even Nicolas whose doctrine was called Nicolatian doctrine is one of the scribes who wrote down the truth some years back but none of his scrolls survived because they burnt it. But now I have come to reveal them.

OtemAtum:


If there is no single similarity between the available scrolls and the one I am dishing out right now, then there should be no credibility in what I am writing because what that would simply mean is that I'm trying to say that all former scrolls are 100% fictitious which isn't true. Things in the bible, Quran, etc are corrupted version of the truth and my own purpose on earth is to come and make amendments, write the truth exactly as they were and that's what I'm doing right now, hence the resemblance you see.

Concerning what I bring, being in three fold:

1. Use your brain- the brain is the organ that can bring the best out of humanity when used maximally. (Remember bible and quran left out the word 'brain' in their books, hence their books become brainless.

2. Worship no god- remember the religious books emphasize the worship of one form of god or the other, but this act will only bring limitation to what human beings are capable of doing as the brains will not be able to access some parts pf itself to do maximum exploit. Take religion off anyone and he/she will perform maximally. You may not believe this.

3. Do good to humanity- this is the pivotal message of the DOCTUFOS and the purpose of God Almighty to everyone. Doing good should be a habit. Yes, doing good is an act of love, so love is a part of my message to humanity.

Very many witnesses abound but the popes, religious people etc have killed them under the guise of heresy. They were brutally dealt with and their scrolls were burnt, but thanks to Atum who is revealing the contents of the hidden scrolls to me. Even Nicolas whose doctrine was called Nicolatian doctrine is one of the scribes who wrote down the truth some years back but none of his scrolls survived because they burnt it. But now I have come to reveal them.

Lemme start with number one.
The bible isn't against using one's brain. The term brain also refers to the mind and soul, then there is a conscious part and subconscious part.
God told Moses of a man he had gifted in all forms of craft to design the ark, vessels for the tabernacle, it's articles of gold and silver. God wrote and taught the first Hebrew language and established their law and legalistic system.

Joseph was the savour of the world from a famine by a means he had learnt through the experience God put him through.

The first ship/floating house was designed by Noah by wisdom given to him by God. Not enough time to speak about Solomon, Daniel, or other Jewish people renowned in the world of science and invention.

Have you since ancient mathematics and designs, you will realise we are actually backward in someway.

The Hebrew God seems to love speaking in maths/numbers. the only God that sets the boundary for infinity

So this point is false

OtemAtum:


If there is no single similarity between the available scrolls and the one I am dishing out right now, then there should be no credibility in what I am writing because what that would simply mean is that I'm trying to say that all former scrolls are 100% fictitious which isn't true. Things in the bible, Quran, etc are corrupted version of the truth and my own purpose on earth is to come and make amendments, write the truth exactly as they were and that's what I'm doing right now, hence the resemblance you see.

Concerning what I bring, being in three fold:

1. Use your brain- the brain is the organ that can bring the best out of humanity when used maximally. (Remember bible and quran left out the word 'brain' in their books, hence their books become brainless.

2. Worship no god- remember the religious books emphasize the worship of one form of god or the other, but this act will only bring limitation to what human beings are capable of doing as the brains will not be able to access some parts of itself to do maximum exploit. Take religion off anyone and he/she will perform maximally. You may not believe this.

3. Do good to humanity- this is the pivotal message of the DOCTUFOS and the purpose of God Almighty to everyone. Doing good should be a habit. Yes, doing good is an act of love, so love is a part of my message to humanity.

Very many witnesses abound but the popes, religious people etc have killed them under the guise of heresy. They were brutally dealt with and their scrolls were burnt, but thanks to Atum who is revealing the contents of the hidden scrolls to me. Even Nicolas whose doctrine was called Nicolatian doctrine is one of the scribes who wrote down the truth some years back but none of his scrolls survived because they burnt it. But now I have come to reveal them.

No.2 first off, those are demons portraying themselves has gods to be worshipped. They distort God's truth and light and deceive men to worship them
Secondly we are too small for the Almighty God to lie to.
Thirdly, you speak of limitations, men have depraved minds, thinking and conceiving evil, bring tricked by demons who enticed them via their lusts. It was God who lead the wise men to Jerusalem through and star, he mapped out the stars from the beginning has what, to be signs of times and seasons. Meaning the Almighty God kept in the course of the stars the time of life, revealing it with dew course.

You speak of limiting man's mind, there was light yet God made the stars, which aids our travels. The almighty God gave Solomon wisdom, made Daniel wiser than all the wise men in babylon, made Joseph so wise that history has records of his achievements.

A depraved and sinful and godless mind is limited. Do you know the books. And teachings wisdom God passed through Solomon tomorrow he world in almost every field. Study about the Hebrews my friend.

OtemAtum:


If there is no single similarity between the available scrolls and the one I am dishing out right now, then there should be no credibility in what I am writing because what that would simply mean is that I'm trying to say that all former scrolls are 100% fictitious which isn't true. Things in the bible, Quran, etc are corrupted version of the truth and my own purpose on earth is to come and make amendments, write the truth exactly as they were and that's what I'm doing right now, hence the resemblance you see.

Concerning what I bring, being in three fold:

1. Use your brain- the brain is the organ that can bring the best out of humanity when used maximally. (Remember bible and quran left out the word 'brain' in their books, hence their books become brainless.

2. Worship no god- remember the religious books emphasize the worship of one form of god or the other, but this act will only bring limitation to what human beings are capable of doing as the brains will not be able to access some parts of itself to do maximum exploit. Take religion off anyone and he/she will perform maximally. You may not believe this.

3. Do good to humanity- this is the pivotal message of the DOCTUFOS and the purpose of God Almighty to everyone. Doing good should be a habit. Yes, doing good is an act of love, so love is a part of my message to humanity.

Very many witnesses abound but the popes, religious people etc have killed them under the guise of heresy. They were brutally dealt with and their scrolls were burnt, but thanks to Atum who is revealing the contents of the hidden scrolls to me. Even Nicolas whose doctrine was called Nicolatian doctrine is one of the scribes who wrote down the truth some years back but none of his scrolls survived because they burnt it. But now I have come to reveal them.

Listen to me, anything that isn't the complete truth is a lie, no matter the percentage of distortion.
Now this Nicolas what was his doctrine about. If you knew how powerful and deceptive the devil is, you will know he will cook up any lie that makes people not believe in God who is Holy and is Love and in control of everything for he made all things for his will and purpose.
God doesn't have power He is power in himself, we can't grasp the magnitude of who he is. God is not a man that He should lie or repent. Worship him or not is not by force, He can raise up stones to serve him. Does he need angels for he made the whole of existence by His word.
If your referring to the devil, his demons or even angels specify. Do you know how realms and dimensions exist,
Your doctrines are limited to space and time.
Not enough time now, but their soo much holes in your doctrines and believes

BlueAngel444:


Lemme start with number one.
The bible isn't against using one's brain. The term brain also refers to the mind and soul, then there is a conscious part and subconscious part.
God told Moses of a man he had gifted in all forms of craft to design the ark, vessels for the tabernacle, it's articles of gold and silver.

This is part of the bible lies I am talking about. What if I tell you that bible Moses is the reincarnation of Yahweh? Know also that Yahweh isn't God but one of the children of God who are the gods. You won't believe it but that's the reality. So if I am to interprete that passage of the bible to you, I will say that Moses(not God) told the people about someone who is skilled in art to design the 'coffin' aka what you call ark of covenant. Moses(the reincarnation of yahweh) used his brain in his own day and made the rest of the people to worship him without using their own brains. This is what we see in churches today where the sheeple call their pastors daddy and worship them.

Blueangel44: wrote and taught the first Hebrew language and established their law and legalistic system.

It isnt historically proven that the hebrew language was taught by Yahweh, but it is a fact that Moses( aka Yahweh reincarnate) made laws to rule his people.

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Joseph was the savour of the world from a famine by a means he had learnt through the experience God put him through.

The Joseph story as written by Moses(Yahweh reincarnate) is a mere fiction. So he saved Nigerians, Ghanians, etc from famine? Lol. How come this great guy didn't appear in the history of the land of Egypt? And how will you explain how he saved the whole countries of the world? As in did Africans and the entire world trek to Egypt to get food and the food even was sufficient for them all such that they all forgot to include this wonderful deliverance in their oral histories? Lol.

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The first ship/floating house was designed by Noah by wisdom given to him by God. Not enough time to speak about Solomon, Daniel, or other Jewish people renowned in the world of science and invention.

Noah didn't design the first ship but Deganis did. And Deganis was not even a creature of Yahweh. He actually taught Yahweh how to construct a ship. See the doctufos of truth for references. Solmani did not worship Yahweh in his days and Solomon as written in the bible is a fictitious version of Solmani a real being. Danyal was a hittite and not an israelite and he did not worship any god in his own days. Daniel in the bible is a fictitious version of Danyal the real being. The scientists be it Jews, Americans, Germans, Arabs did not become renown in science because of worshipping any particular god but because of how deep they had used their brains to think deep. You too can become a great scientist if you use your brain very well as that is the purpose of creation. It doesn't matter whether you are an atheist or not you can excel. Note, Japan, China are renowned in technology, yet they have many atheists and non religious people among them so many. Even Israel of Yahweh isn't among the G8 countries, so where is their god?

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Have you since ancient mathematics and designs, you will realise we are actually backward in someway.

Africa is backward because of lack of critical thinking. They refuse to build upon their philosophies but they went after the fullstops of religion. But watch us, we shall rise now that we are dropping religion to focus more on our brains and mentality.

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The Hebrew God seems to love speaking in maths/numbers. the only God that sets the boundary for infinity

So this point is false

I can even speak in Maths than the hebrew god. Show me the maths the hebrew god spoke in and in few minutes I will get connected and speak in a better maths. Should we give it a try?

BlueAngel444:


Listen to me, anything that isn't the complete truth is a lie, no matter the percentage of distortion.
Now this Nicolas what was his doctrine about. If you knew how powerful and deceptive the devil is, you will know he will cook up any lie that makes people not believe in God who is Holy and is Love and in control of everything for he made all things for his will and purpose.
God doesn't have power He is power in himself, we can't grasp the magnitude of who he is. God is not a man that He should lie or repent. Worship him or not is not by force, He can raise up stones to serve him. Does he need angels for he made the whole of existence by His word.
If your referring to the devil, his demons or even angels specify. Do you know how realms and dimensions exist,
Your doctrines are limited to space and time.
Not enough time now, but their soo much holes in your doctrines and believes

pls point out the holes you see in the Doctufos of truth and I shall explain them to you well. And all the things you write above about God Almighty, the creator of Yahweh, I have not argued them, so why bringing them up at all? The Nicolatian Doctrine first came up in the periods of the Neanderthals millions of years back and it wasn't accepted by the ignorant people of those days. Then around 2030-2017 years ago, it reigned supreme again when Niklas was reincarnated as an homo sapien. I will post some of the contents of the Nicolatian doctrine for you to see.

OtemAtum host=59511353:

[b]This is part of the bible lies I am talking about. What if I tell you that bible Moses is the reincarnation of Yahweh? Know also that Yahweh isn't God but one of the children of God who are the gods. [/b]You won't believe it but that's the reality. So if I am to interprete that passage of the bible to you, I will say that Moses(not God) told the people about someone who is skilled in art to design the 'coffin' aka what you call ark of covenant. [b]Moses(the reincarnation of yahweh) used his brain in his own day and made the rest of the people to worship him without using their own brains. [/b]This is what we see in churches today where the sheeple call their pastors daddy and worship them.


It isnt historically proven that the hebrew language was taught by Yahweh, but it is a fact that Moses( aka Yahweh reincarnate) made laws to rule his people.

The Joseph story as written by Moses(Yahweh reincarnate) is a mere fiction. So he saved Nigerians, Ghanians, etc from famine? Lol. How come this great guy didn't appear in the history of the land of Egypt? And how will you explain how he saved the whole countries of the world? As in did Africans and the entire world trek to Egypt to get food and the food even was sufficient for them all such that they all forgot to include this wonderful deliverance in their oral histories? Lol.

Noah didn't design the first ship but Deganis did. And Deganis was not even a creature of Yahweh. He actually taught Yahweh how to construct a ship. See the doctufos of truth for references. Solmani did not worship Yahweh in his days and Solomon as written in the bible is a fictitious version of Solmani a real being. Danyal was a hittite and not an israelite and he did not worship any god in his own days. Daniel in the bible is a fictitious version of Danyal the real being. The scientists be it Jews, Americans, Germans, Arabs did not become renown in science because of worshipping any particular god but because of how deep they had used their brains to think deep. You too can become a great scientist if you use your brain very well as that is the purpose of creation. It doesn't matter whether you are an atheist or not you can excel. Note, Japan, China are renowned in technology, yet they have many atheists and non religious people among them so many. Even Israel of Yahweh isn't among the G8 countries, so where is their god?

Africa is backward because of lack of critical thinking. They refuse to build upon their philosophies but they went after the fullstops of religion. But watch us, we shall rise now that we are dropping religion to focus more on our brains and mentality.

I can even speak in Maths than the hebrew god. Show me the maths the hebrew god spoke in and in few minutes I will get connected and speak in a better maths. Should we give it a try?

First of Yahweh means the Lord. Secondly both Moses and Joseph are traced back to Egypt, they had Egyptian names and titles.
Moses used his own brains to build it all. OK, he was so powerful yet he couldn't lead the people of Israel into the promise. Oh he also had a brother and a sister.

Yahweh is not a name. Israel never worshipped Moses, Hebrews are too proud to bow to any man, not to talk of a man.

If you actually knew history, science and etymology you won't make some of this your assertions.

And about churches Jesus told his disciples, do not let any more call you Master for you are called to serve and you haven't been to every church and not all that say Lord Lord serve God and not all 'churches' are part of God's church


Yes Moses made laws, for through him came the law. Modern Hebrew language isn't exactly like the original, they can't find the ark or the law written on stone, so it's mostly morphed from what is written on scrolls and shares similarities to ancient amerean writings.

Its a mere fiction, so i guess Israel was never in Egypt and Moses's exodus never happened. Or maybe israelites were never slaves and maybe never in Egypt.

Your theories are based on creating doubts, by using false questions like the devil used for Eve and Jesus

Did God really say he will die
Are you the son of God

By making people question this things doubt and unbelief and lies can be sown

You have no idea about Israel's military strength and advancement in technological and the fact that their are a lot of mysteries hidden about this current nation Israel.

You have no historical evidence, couldn't you 'god' preserve any,. Was he that weak he couldn't preserve his so called truth over time and prove them with not just mere words and synonymous name changes.


Africa is not backward, and Africa was NEVER cursed.
Mr man go and read history.

Egyptians the first civilization are what exactly, I just remembered

You say use your mind, but even man doesn't understand the depth of the mind.

King Cyprus didn't know who the Lord God was, yet the Almighty God said, I have anointed hom and chosen him to fulfill my purpose.

Whether you know God or not you are serving his purpose, the question is are you a honourable vessel or a dishonourable vessel waiting to be disposed of.

Animals have brains, they reason, they have wisdom but man has revelation.

You can't know what you have never been told

OtemAtum:
pls point out the holes you see in the Doctufos of truth and I shall explain them to you well. And all the things you write above about God Almighty, the creator of Yahweh, I have not argued these why bringing them up at all? The Nicolatian Doctrine first came up in the periods of the Neanderthals millions of years back and it wasn't accepted by the ignorant people of those days. Then around 2030-2017 years ago, it reigned supreme again when Niklas was reincarnated as an homo sapien. I will post some of the contents of the Nicolatian doctrine for you to see.

You say you can speak more math than a god, and you don't even figure out that the population of the world wasn't so large and people settled in closer and assessable regions in those days. So hunger drove men from far and wide to Egypt to get food. Now how far could man have spread from the time of Noah to the time of Jacob, knowing that even one of his sons lived to the days of Abraham.


Hope you do know Asians are still very religious
The middle east very religious
Yet their advancement in science and technology in obviouS


Your faulty reasoning is thinking science started in ye twenty-first century. How were weapons of war made as they have always been made through technology

Most of the major technological advancement are because of war

BlueAngel444:


You say you can speak more math than a god, and you don't even figure out that the population of the world wasn't so large and people settled in closer and assessable regions in those days. So hunger drove men from far and wide to Egypt to get food. Now how far could man have spread from the time of Noah to the time of Jacob, knowing that even one of his sons lived to the days of Abraham.

These things are mere fictions. It's only those who don't know their history you can tell this cocck and bull story and they will believe you.
If you want the mathematics of my genealogy, I will give it to you and it doesn't have Abraham and Noah in it. I'll open a thread of my genealogy next.

BlueAngel444:


You say you can speak more math than a god, and you don't even figure out that the population of the world wasn't so large and people settled in closer and assessable regions in those days. So hunger drove men from far and wide to Egypt to get food. Now how far could man have spread from the time of Noah to the time of Jacob, knowing that even one of his sons lived to the days of Abraham.


Hope you do know Asians are still very religious
The middle east very religious
Yet their advancement in science and technology in obviouS


Your faulty reasoning is thinking science started in ye twenty-first century. How were weapons of war made as they have always been made through technology

Most of the major technological advancement are because of war

Asians very religious and worshipping Yahweh? And did they tell you they invent through the worship of gods or through the use of their brains'

BlueAngel444:



Basically if you don't belief in your own existence and occurrence in nature your an atheist

Guy you seriously lack comphrension

oh crap BlueAngel444 is felixmoron

BlueAngel444:


You say you can speak more math than a god, and you don't even figure out that the population of the world wasn't so large and people settled in closer and assessable regions in those days. So hunger drove men from far and wide to Egypt to get food. Now how far could man have spread from the time of Noah to the time of Jacob, knowing that even one of his sons lived to the days of Abraham.


Hope you do know Asians are still very religious
The middle east very religious
Yet their advancement in science and technology in obviouS


Your faulty reasoning is thinking science started in ye twenty-first century. How were weapons of war made as they have always been made through technology

Most of the major technological advancement are because of war

Sir, your post is not factual. The middle east is not technologically advanced. It borrows every bit of technology it has from the west and develops none itself. The Dubai you see is built by westerners and not Arabs.

Asia has the highest number of atheists in the world if you count the atheists in China, Japan, South Korea and North Korea.

superhumanist:


Sir, your post is not factual. The middle east is not technologically advanced. It borrows every bit of technology it has from the west and develops none itself. The Dubai you see is built by westerners and not Arabs.

Asia has the highest number of atheists in the world if you count the atheists in China, Japan, South Korea and North Korea.

So, what's the percentage of atheists in Asia to those who believe in religion, your speaking of the most populous continent on earth

Built by the westerners are you serious?
First off, do you know how many scientists are Arabs not to even extend like I said to the middle east.
My post on the factual and yours is, of where are your facts. You probably didn't even try to confirm first.

I was speaking of minds and not infrastructures, if I were I would point out their nuclear programme, if you have done physics you would that is not an easy feat to pull off.

You even mentioned China, thank God you didn't add India. China that the very gabrics of that nation is built on their religious pride, their calendar, their festives, their beliefs, even to their meal. Those guys are very historical to the that foolish, they ARE VERY SUPERSTITIOUS.

Any westerner that is claiming atheists and owns a building where he skips floor number 13, is deceiving himself and is superstitious and not an atheists


QED

BlueAngel444:
I don't like religion but imagine a world where evil isn't restricted, where actions are not governed.

Restricting evil and governing actions is the job of government. If we want to reduce evil, then we need to improve our government; that's all. If people want to do evil things for selfish reasons, the only thing that will really stop them is the knowledge that they are very likely to be punished for it. Religion seems to reduce some lesser evils, but it also discourages logical thinking, which enables greater evils to continue.

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Seun:

Restricting evil and governing actions is the job of government. If we want to reduce evil, then we need to improve our government; that's all. If people want to do evil things for selfish reasons, the only thing that will really stop them is the knowledge that they are very likely to be punished for it. Religion seems to reduce some lesser evils, but it also discourages logical thinking, which enables greater evils to continue.

Well said

Seun:

Restricting evil and governing actions is the job of government. If we want to reduce evil, then we need to improve our government; that's all. If people want to do evil things for selfish reasons, the only thing that will really stop them is the knowledge that they are very likely to be punished for it. Religion seems to reduce some lesser evils, but it also discourages logical thinking, which enables greater evils to continue.

True, but that shouldn't debase the value and importance of religion no matter how vast and corrupted it has become.

Most of our cultures, traditions and norms were religiously passed down. The first forms of government were religious in nature. Am not saying we should continue to be religious but many people hate it for its shortcomings than actual see the purpose of its existence in the first place.

Religion not government is the earliest from of passing out rites, morals and code of conduct, laws and rules for men who can not be righteous and live in love, reminding people who had no relationship with God that their is a power greater than theirs that they are answerable to

The deviation of religion hated so much is the very structure of our present government, so are you picking the lesser of two evils?

BlueAngel444:


So, what's the percentage of atheists in Asia to those who believe in religion, your speaking of the most populous continent on earth

Built by the westerners are you serious?
First off, do you know how many scientists are Arabs not to even extend like I said to the middle east.
My post on the factual and yours is, of where are your facts. You probably didn't even try to confirm first.

I was speaking of minds and not infrastructures, if I were I would point out their nuclear programme, if you have done physics you would that is not an easy feat to pull off.

You even mentioned China, thank God you didn't add India. China that the very gabrics of that nation is built on their religious pride, their calendar, their festives, their beliefs, even to their meal. Those guys are very historical to the that foolish, they ARE VERY SUPERSTITIOUS.

Any westerner that is claiming atheists and owns a building where he skips floor number 13, is deceiving himself and is superstitious and not an atheists


QED

Sir, I have been sent a message about you and this your very comment confirms the truth of the message. Are you seriously trying to argue that the middle east is scientifically advanced? Really? I dont know where to start with that. Do you even know that there are very few scientific journals written in Arabic to start with? What technology comes out of the middle east?

China has the 2nd largest atheist population in the world both by numbers or percentage. China was once a full-on communist country lest you forget.

Sir. I have to respectfully agree with your detractors- you argue without facts.

superhumanist:




Sir, I have been sent a message about you and this your very comment confirms the truth of the message. Are you seriously trying to argue that the middle east is scientifically advanced? Really? I dont know where to start with that. Do you even know that there are very few scientific journals written in Arabic to start with? What technology comes out of the middle east?

China has the 2nd largest atheist population in the world both by numbers or percentage. China was once a full-on communist country lest you forget.

Sir. I have to respectfully agree with your detractors- you argue without facts.

For China I was shocked, stating my disbelief not my accuracy based on the amount of superstition that come out of that place. Maybe when they change their calender system, they have soo many believes yet they don't believe in God, primary example of delusion and forcing people to do man's will isn't it recently they lifted their ban on religion.

When you declare something like that since the 1900's you except their whole nation and way of life to change

Are you trying to argue that the middle east is living in the stone age, it was even the person that mentioned infrastructures and g8 I think

Your speaking as if there are no technologies there, that even come to Africa self

I never said invention, I said great minds from the middle east, remind where Israel is before I start with the scientific paper ish

If I had said Nigerian is technological advanced and has brilliant mind from Nigerian. If you argue this I would understand

Pls define what you mean by technological advancements

The bases of my statement was
1. Having advance technologies
2. Having great internationally recognised minds from that region

There are even more western countries with larger ratio of atheist to theists.
And knowing that I simply said if they still practice any format of superstition they are deceiving themselves


Irreligious and atheist
See also: Irreligion by country

Nonreligious population by country, 2006.[58]
Countries with the greatest proportion of people without religion (including agnostics and atheists) from Irreligion by country (as of 2007):

 Czech Republic 70-81% (78%)
 Estonia 71–82% (76%)
 Japan 64–88% (76%)[59]
 Denmark 72%
 Sweden 46–82% (64%)
 Vietnam 44–81% (63%)
 Macau 62%[60]
 Hong Kong 57%[61]
 France 43–64%[62] (54%)
 Norway 31–72% (52%)
 China 47%[63] (details)
 Netherlands 39–55% (47%)
 Finland 28–60% (44%)
 New Zealand 42%[64]
 United Kingdom 31–52% (42%)[62] (25% England and Wales)[65]
 South Korea 30–52% (41%)
 Germany 25[66]–55%[67] (40%)
 Hungary 32–46% (39%)
 Belgium 42–43% (39%)
 Bulgaria 34–40% (37%)
 Slovenia 35–38% (37%)
 Russia[68] 13–48% (31%)
Remarks: Ranked by mean estimate which is in brackets. Irreligious includes agnostic, atheist, secular believer, and people having no formal religious adherence. It does not necessarily mean that members of this group don′t belong to any religion. Some religions have harmonized with local cultures and can be seen as a cultural background rather than a formal religion. Additionally, the practice of officially associating a family or household with a religious institute while not formally practicing the affiliated religion is common in many countries. Thus, over half of this group is theistic and/or influenced by religious principles, but nonreligious/non-practicing and not true atheists or agnostics.

OtemAtum:
Asians very religious and worshipping Yahweh? And did they tell you they invent through the worship of gods or through the use of their brains'

I believe this the starting point where I mentioned Asia not China(though I still doubt their nonsense)

Asia is the largest and most populous continent, with a wide variety of religions. The largest religion in Asia is Islam with approx. 1.1 billion adherents. Asia was the birthplace of many religions such as Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Jainism, Sikhism, Judaism, Zoroastranism. But all major religious traditions are practiced there and new forms are constantly emerging.

Here's from Wikipedia ( you can easily verify this one)