JesusPeople:


The real man is a spirit, and he has a soul and he lives in a body

salvation101:
you are dodging my question yet u seek answers from me, be honest at least and answer my question.. Where do you think Abraham is right now? In d grave where his sons buried him or in paradise?

salvation101:
how is it deviating? Answer in ur opinion if Abraham is in d grave or in Paradise, simple

Peacefullove:


Abraham didn't go to any Paradise, Dead and buried in his grave.

salvation101:
how come Jesus said he was at paradise? Lazarus story.. Did Jesus lie?

Peacefullove:


Interesting

Show me the bold in that story?

salvation101:
Where was Abraham in this story? If he were dead and in the grave like u said.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried.
23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

salvation101:
Where was Abraham in this story? If he were dead and in the grave like u said.

Peacefullove:


That he is dead and in grave is said and stated in the Bible . Therefore, I already told you where he is

Now prove your statement that Jesus said Abraham is in paradise ?

salvation101:
This story of Lazarus is corroborated by Matthew 8:11
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Peacefullove:


So funny

@ Red ... Shall come , that's a future event . Is the story something that happened in the past or it hasn't yet happened ?

@ bold , So Heaven is Paradise ?

salvation101:

The "then shall" is talking about the strangers coming from east and west wch are alien to the nation of Israel. Salvation initially was for the jews alone. And right now, that then shall has been fulfilled as salvation has been extended to the gentiles

the kingdom of heaven is paradise,

Jesus told that thief of the cross that he will be with him in paradise that very day of crucifixion.. So how do you say Abraham was in the grave? You should also support with Bible as u requested me to.

Peacefullove:


We are still saying same thing, Jesus said No man has ever been to heaven before him . How could Abraham , Isaac and Jacob be there already ? John 3:13 .



So Abraham has been to heaven, and Jesus lied in John 3 vs 13 ?



Genesis said Abraham died and was buried in the Grave close to Sarah.

Bold, Going by your assertion that Paradise is heaven ... Jesus go to heaven the same day he died ?

salvation101:

Did u notice the story of Lazarus, he was carried by an angel. He didn't ascend. Jesus is d only who ascended i.e by his will. The Bible said God took Enoch, chariot of fire also took Elijah. D only person who left earth to heaven by ascension is Jesus. Where would you say Enoch and Elijah are? In the grave also?

Before you ask me that question if Jesus went up to heaven on the day of his death, you should first tell me where Jesus meant that the thief would be with him dat night. Notice he didn't say such to d thief on his left

Peacefullove:
kindly tell me what you think about this verse of the Christian Bible.
Do the whole man die or only his body dies ? . Consider the said verse.



"Jesus cried out in a loud voice, ' Father into your hand I entrust my spirit ' ' After he said this, he died."

You will notice that I underlined the word " He" there is a reason for that and that's exactly why U need to answer the next question

Who does the Pronoun " He" died ; represents ?

a. Jesus Christ DIED

b. only Body dies

C. I dont know


your response ? to validate if the whole of man dies or just his body .

cc : howdy

Salvation101

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Ferisidowu



Pastors of religion forum, your attention is needed . Did Jesus really Die for sins ?

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Peacefullove:


Jesus said NO MAN HAS EVER BEEN to heaven , was he lying ?

This is what am saying, I asked first: If Paradise Is heaven, does that mean Jesus went to heaven the same day he died ?
For your question, I don't accept Jesus made that statement, You who believe ...explain

Key point: heaven Is paradise

salvation101:
show the world where Jesus said no one has ever been to heaven... Just like u quoted now.. Den the world we know who is lying

you do not accept Jesus made a statement written in the Bible, so why worry myself with you when you do not even accept the Bible

Peacefullove:


You earlier admit Jesus was alive during the three days , Simply means He wasn't dead . Abi

But now you focus the gear at Jesus didn't have to die, just his flesh is enough . Can you back this up with your bible ? Didn't Jesus said his soul [ his real person ] will die for mankind's sin ? was he telling a lie ? how could his soul die if his soul was IMMORTAL ?

salvation101:


you do not accept Jesus made a statement written in the Bible, so why worry myself with you when you do not even accept the Bible

mabea:
Now there's something called spiritual death. This is a total separation from God which means he has to go to hell a place made for the damned.

folaski:

Jesus died.

when a man dies his soul and spirit depart from the body. The spirit returns to its source (God) and the soul is the accounting officer of the person and it's the soul that receives the reward of its earthly life.

Peacefullove:


" no one has ever gone up to heaven "

Is Jesus lying ?



Even Bible versions disagree on that statement.

The one you uphold, saying today is what I don't accept ... Since its not true . IF TRUE, DID JESUS GO TO HEAVEN ( Paradise) THE SAME DAY HE DIED ? Don't dodge this question .

Peacefullove:

Since you believe this statement below

New International Version
Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."


If heaven is Paradise, Did Jesus went to heaven the day he died ?

@ salvation101.

Don't dodge it.

Peacefullove:


This is fanaticism, Are you aware the way other bible versions render it different from the way You want the statement to sound, AND PLEASE DEFEND that statement You agree with by answering the question posed

salvation101:
i believe the statement. Yes and if u do not believe it, i can't help you ooo.

salvation101:
why don't u also refute the statement with a superior argument? Wat is my business with bible versions? Is it in the Greek text or not

salvation101:
i said u should show me where it was said no one jas never gone up to heaven. The word there is Ascend to heaven..

Version agree or disagree, is it in the original greek text or not? Now u are talking about versions.. If u do not believe the Bible enough to believe Jesus said it den how can i help you?

Peacefullove:

Since you believe this statement below

New International Version
Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."


If heaven is Paradise, Did Jesus went to heaven the day he died ?

@ salvation101.

Don't dodge it.

She tried dodging it Anyway

Peacefullove:


If at death, the body alone dies , it means Spirit never dies and yet man is not the body but man is a spirit and spirit is IMMORTAL from your write up .

How do you prove that Jesus ( A Spirit ) dies for anyone sins ?

MizJanet:




Answer his question

MizJanet:


Sweetheart, Did anyone go to heaven before Jesus . he has a point with that place where Jesus said no one .