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Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Flamezreal(m): 12:34am On Jun 06, 2017 |
fratermathy: On point @ d bolded 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Opharhe: 1:55am On Jun 06, 2017 |
Blescyn:Just pm me if you're interested in learning Urhobo. We'll work out something. |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Opharhe: 2:30am On Jun 06, 2017 |
fratermathy:Oniovo Mathy I think disagree slightly here. After the Aka(Benin) connection, and then the Ijaw mixing associated with the migratory journeys, Urhobo and Isoko people to me have more to do with Igbo than Yoruba in my assessment. There are Urhobo and Isoko Clans today who trace their history directly to Igboland... Evwreni(with Igbide and Enwhe) is a classic example. Infact, many Isoko clans, a good number of them, claim Igbo origins. Let's leave stories and look at what we have now... Check out the Urhobo and Isoko dance steps, see our pre-colonial political systems, look at our traditional worship systems and symbols, check out the foods we have, look at the dressing, check the attires of maidens(Epha), of our preists and warriors etc. Look at them and do some comparison and contrasting with Igbo on the one hand and Yoruba on the other hand and you'll understand my point better. We kobiruo Oniovo. 5 Likes |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by praise1705(f): 6:10am On Jun 06, 2017 |
RedboneSmith: the thing tire me ooo, |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Sanchez01: 6:59am On Jun 06, 2017 |
Efewestern:You're very correct. However, I was pointing at unions outside of the Delta. No doubt, unions between Urhobos and the Itsekiris cannot be compared to others. Other than the language, dress sense and food is almost the same. About the diabolical thing, well, I just had a good laugh. Sadly, but true, Urhobos are wary of charms and fetish but it still hasn't reduced the intermarriage between us and the Edos. Funny, really. Hausa is a huge no no. I'm not sure I've heard of an Urhobo person who got married to an Hausa man or woman before. About the Igbos, oh well... 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Sanchez01: 7:28am On Jun 06, 2017 |
Opharhe:Your made a whole lot of point but then historical backgrounds does not necessarily reflect in dressings, foods among many other things. Truth is, we share some similarities with Igbo folks but then, you would notice some sharp features in these similarities. For example, if you take a good look at dance steps between both, you would realise that it is not similar and you would also find out that the we do more of movements and invest more energy into those movements, far more than the Igbos do. Food, well, the only similarity there is is our Amiedi and their Ofe akwu. I hear Ofe means soup in Igbo but then you would never see them use eat it with any morsel fashioned meal, rather, with rice. The first time I saw it in Enugu, I suffered a culture shock and told my friend it was disrespect to our signature meal. The Igbos eat leaves than we do. As a matter of fact, we don't do leaves at all, no. Also, almost all our meals are potash driven. On dressing, our women don two wrappers just as Igbo women. And interestingly, almost every ethnicity in the South South dress in this manner. Therefore, it would be wrong to assume it is a thing that started with the Igbos. And one outstanding feature in our dressing is that unparalleled love for beads. Igbos don't use half the beads we use. Our thirst for beads is the same as that of the Itsekiris, the Edos and the Ijaws. On taboos, we share a striking similarity with the Edos here. Their are certain practices I have come to learn about the Igbos that I find strange, largely because it is absent in our culture. There is a huge gap in the practice of our political systems. I mean huge gap. The same applies to our mode of worship and deities. A major aspect wherein we share something with the Igbos is language. We share common words, though not much. I'm not sure we share a single practice with the Yorubas. I understand their practices and their culture quite well. However, the same cannot be said about the Edos. |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Sanchez01: 7:33am On Jun 06, 2017 |
baby124:I can't believe someone just said this. The Oyo Yoruba is regarded as the real Yoruba language and the Lagos Yoruba is regarded as perverted with some slings that are considered unorthographic, according to the Yoruba orthography of 1967. I was born in the South West and dedicated a whole of my time into studying the Yoruba language at some point in time. And before you bring up a rebuttal, you need to listen to the likes of the late Gbenga Adeboye who shared the typical Yoruba in his comedies. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by userplainly(m): 8:39am On Jun 06, 2017 |
do4luv14:Which kyn talk be that? |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by kpaofame: 8:41am On Jun 06, 2017 |
Opharhe:ok oshare wekobiruo...i will send a pm so i can get your chat details... i dont interact in Urhobo or Isoko at all...the small when i sabi don dey comot...so it would nice 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by scionofurhobo(m): 8:58am On Jun 06, 2017 |
anthney87: God bless you! It's unfortunate that the truth is being derided with set of preconceived notions from ignorant minds, in place of finding out if these things were in deed true. In fact, some Urhobos, these days, are not proud of their rich cultural heritage. The fact that it is strange does not make it a lie. Just as you've said, "We should learn to ask the good questions like how and when and why and where, not cursing and ranting when we know NOTHING." Thanks Oniovo. |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by RedboneSmith(m): 10:34am On Jun 06, 2017 |
Sanchez01: The problem here is that you're confusing Standard Yoruba with 'Old Yoruba' ( whatever that means.) Oyo Yoruba is the basis of Standard Yoruba. This doesn't in any way make it 'original' Yoruba or the 'correct' Yoruba. Any dialect could have been chosen to serve as the basis for the Standard. The lot fell on Oyo because the spread and fame of the Oyo Empire had conferred prestige on the dialect. As a matter of fact, Oyo is relatively a young dialect, based on information now known to linguistics. The dialects spoken in the eastern axis of Yorubaland contain older forms of the language that have undergone change in the Oyo area. 5 Likes |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by scionofurhobo(m): 11:18am On Jun 06, 2017 |
QuitNotice: Read! It will do you much good. scionofurhobo=Ay: 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by tnktosin(m): 11:49am On Jun 06, 2017 |
Oniovo vwo danvweren. Oghene mudiakewe 2 Likes |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by jchioma: 12:28pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
fratermathy: What I see from all those opposing the OP is that they all seem to agree on one thing. i.e. That Urhobo came from Aka, just like the OP has inferred. Only that, he has gone further to reveal where Aka came from, something you didn't know before. What is expected, is a holistic look at this latest information, do your comparisons and draw your conclusions. At least, the OP gave evidence of the words similar to or still in use in today Urhobo and some other Nigerian languages, something you did not counter. 3 Likes |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by macof(m): 12:36pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Afam4eva: Yoruba, Urhobo/isoko, Edo, Igbo, Fon, ewe, Akan all have common origin 3 Likes |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by baby124: 12:37pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Sanchez01:Because a dialect is popular doesn't mean it is older than others. Oyo empire help spread the dialect. Same as English empire help spread the English language. |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by scionofurhobo(m): 3:24pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Sanchez01: Lol. So, if night is Aso and not Asun in Urhobo, then Avra-alqa is not Abraka; Appelleh is not Sapele and Ughei-eni is not Ughelli. These were the original names with meanings in Urhobo language. Not their corrupted forms. |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by scionofurhobo(m): 3:26pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
linearity: Without understanding of the language, how can you decipher what is being said and in what context? |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by scionofurhobo(m): 4:59pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
jchioma: Thank you my sister. I call you so, because, we are in deed relatives of blood from distant times. These my brethren have been so comfortable with the story of Urhobo people migrating from Aka (Bini) that they don't want to accept the truth of their true origin. However, there's nothing they can change about their past, but to learn from it. 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by jc4real(m): 10:50pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
lordhugo: Man ur so joyless.no joy at all .I can't stop laughing. |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Opharhe: 1:33am On Jun 07, 2017 |
Sanchez01: Well, I understand your position but there are 2 areas which you claim there is no similarlity but there actually is. Traditional precolonial political systems of the Urhobo people have substantial similarlity with what obtains in among the Igbo and that is gerontocracy where the elders(Ekpako) take charge of affairs ably backed by strong Chieftaincy institutions with various age-grades like youths(Uvwie) for example, and institutions like wives(Eghweya), daughters(emete) etc having specific roles and functions in the communities. Yoruba culture have little of these things. Note: I am comparing the amount of resemblance between Urhobo and Igbo on the one hand, and resemblance between Urhobo and Yoruba on the other. Also, I recognize that the Urhobos are generally of the same ancestral stock as the Edos so that's indisputable. The Ozo is a very influential Chieftaincy society in Igbo culture. In Urhobo, we have equivalents like the Ekakuro, Ade etc. Don't forget that monarchy is a recent phenomenon in most of the Urhobo sub-cultures with the exception of a few ancient Kingdoms in Urhoboland. Ughelli is a classic example of one of such monarchial sub-cultures in Urhobo. Let me give you 2 examples of gerontocratic sub-cultures in Urhobo existing presently. Orogun. The Clan head of Orogun is known as Okpara-Uku, a title that has it's meaning not in Urhobo language but Igbo language... You can make more findings about that. Okpara-Uku is normally an office for the oldest man of Orogun. Okpara/Okpala in Igbo is the ceremonial name for the first son of a family. In Urhobo language, it's Owaran. Let's leave it here first. Uwheru. Their head is called Odion r'Ode. A title which literally means "Great Elder". Odion is an ancient Edo/Urhobo/Isoko word which means elder and it's used to refer to the departed ancestors. I was born and grew up in a place in Warri called Odion(around Iyara, Sido) ... You can find out more on that. As for religious practices, the worship of the departed ancestors is central to Urhobo culture so too is it in Igbo religious practice. Also, when I say Igbo, don't look too far. They are our close neighbors. The Ndokwa people are right there with us in Delta State. I believe you'll understand my point better now. Wẹ kobiruo, oniọvo. Fratermathy Efewestern Evestar200 Iniọvo mẹ wadoo. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by marcondo13: 5:44am On Jun 07, 2017 |
fratermathy:I have read from different sources and heard with my ears and confirmed it from my late grandfather,who was a friend and neighbour with the late Midwest politician,Chief Jereton Marierie,that the people of Evwereni are actually descendants of settlers from Awka,not Benin or Egypt. 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by cooljude(m): 3:05pm On Jun 07, 2017 |
fratermathy: False, light skin Igbos existed before the arrival of Europeans. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Nobody: 8:07pm On Jun 07, 2017 |
Opharhe: I have 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by B2mario(m): 9:13pm On Jun 07, 2017 |
fratermathy:OK, well heard. But the question still remain, who wants to accept Ijaw? definitely no one |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Opharhe: 9:15pm On Jun 07, 2017 |
Blescyn:replied already. |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Zoolezoo(m): 1:30am On Jun 08, 2017 |
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Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Zoolezoo(m): 1:58am On Jun 08, 2017 |
fratermathy: The Yorubas and Igalas started out as the same ancestral stock of people, journeying from the lake chad region. When they got to the Niger benue confluence area, both groups bifurcated. (ie split into two primordial groups). One group branched to the western part of the confluence and became large and expansive. The other group branched eastern direction of the river and became not so successful. The Western fold are the Yorubas. This arm of the migration spread and grew into various dialects. The Eastern dialects closer to the original point of the spit are the older dialects, while the more westwards you go, the more innovative and recent the dialects get. Igala preserved one branch of the original language they spoke. The Yorubas, (especially the eastern groups) preserve the other. Igala however came into contact with some other languages like Jukun infusion of new words (like attah) which took place when they came under Kwararafa territorial ambitions and expansion ,Idoma, and Igbo words (like Abacha and akpu), due to their geographical location close to some of those groups. Yoruba came into contact with mostly nothing. All dialectal variations of their language have been mostly self driven and natural deviations, except again on the South Eastern flank where Itsekiri, Ilaje, Ikale, Ondo, etc came into contact with Benin language. The Itsekiris themselves are a medley of various southeastern Yoruboid groups like the Ijebus (Ugborodo, Omadino, Ureju, Inorinetc). This groups came from the ijebu waterside area and Ode Omi + Ikale, Ilaje, Owo, Akure. Majority of the founding stock seem to have been Ilaje-Ikale. Benin itself has always received a steady stream of migrants from the Yoruba hinterland throughout almost all of its history. Hence both languages converge in certain regards and words, as well as certain customs. There are towns in Edo like Usen that have Yoruba founders. And if towns deep in the heart of Delta north can have Proven Yoruba origin, I am sure there would be specific urhobo stocks with Yoruba foundation, or at least a heavy infusion of Yoruba and Itsekiri ancestry in their early origins as well. Things like dressing style, use of extensive beading etc, has little or nothing to do with origin as they are both recent phenomena. Coral beads aren't even indigenous to Western Africa. Which would mean that before Europeans brought them in large quantities to trade barter with the Itsekiris and Benins, all these groups, Eastern and Coastal Yorubas, Benins, Itsekiris, Urhobos, Isokos all likely dressed in similar manner. Even today, not all Yoruba groups use beading in the same volume The Owos are HEAVY on beading, while the oyos seem to be very light on beading. Its just a continuum of one ethnic group linking into another - given the large size and territorial range of the Yorubas, there is heavy variation. You will need to assume all of Yorubaland in one country to really get the full picture. Some groups of Yorubaland behave like dahomeans. in Dance, Music, Dressing etc. I hope you get what all my ramblings are about sha. 6 Likes |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by fratermathy(m): 12:17pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
marcondo13: Not the people but their early founders. They were hunters from Awka (so the story goes). The hunters met people on ground when they arrived Iyede and Evwreni and they rallied them into a single polity. |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Tiffbuxas: 9:46pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
Make una no vex o ... I dey work since INIOVO WA DO!! 1 Like |
Re: The Origin Of Urhobo People by Olu317(m): 7:00am On Jun 09, 2017 |
Sanchez01:There is no iota of doubt that OYO Yoruba is the accepted spoken and written in all Yoruba land, which was due to the development of the language. @ baby124, is correct, about what he inferred on here as it regard, Lagos Yoruba as the offshoot of Oyo Yoruba. I must infer here that being born in Yoruba land doesn't necessarily mean you can know all the Yoruba history. In fact, the history known to all outsiders are the ones written in books. Yoruba is extremely deeper than you can imagine. Even if your great grandfather had settled in Yoruba land, it will surprise you that account are given to that regard,irrespective of the years of existence in Yoruba land. It is always enshrined in their local history. I am sure, this is obtainable else where . |
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