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Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Nobody: 2:32pm On Jun 09, 2017
Another perspective on the agitation for secession, restructuring and resource control.

- How I wish Pa Nnamdi Azikiwe had listen to Pa Awo and allowed secession clause to make it into the Nigeria constitution in 1953.
- How I wish Nzeogwu and Ifeajuna did not kill other regional leaders in 1966 which set up a chain of reaction for other event that culminated into Civil war that killed millions
- How I wish Nzeogwu and Ifeajuna did not execute the first coup which usher in the era of military rule that wasted 30 years of Nigeria national life.
- How I wish General Ironsi did not issue the unitary system of Govt via decree 34 in 1966.

If any or all of the above defining moments for Nigeria had not happen, then their descendants will not be wailing about slavery today.
Had I known is always at last.
When the foundation is faulty, the building cannot stand.

This was Zik in his own voice:

Azikiwe: In 1953 the NPC under the leadership of my good friend, the late Sardauna, threatened to secede from the federation unless their 6-point proposals were adhered to. I had to use personal diplomacy. We had been personal friends since 1940. So, I saw Sir Ahmadu Bello and prevailed upon him that the unity of this country was greater than himself and myself and the other people too helped so that the North shifted grounds and agreed and so the country was saved. That was in 1953.
Again, however, when the 1954 constitution conference started, my good friend, Chief Obafemi Awolowo tabled a motion to the effect that in the new constitution, provision should be made that any state which feels like seceding should do so. I was opposed to it and said ‘no’ and said that once we have a federation, we are indivisible and perpetual. That was when we began to use that expression - ‘The Indivisibility and perpetuity of the federation’ - and that to secede would amount to treason. And so, a debate ensued.
The Secretary of State then was Oliver Littleton, later Lord Chandos and he was very much interested and that was his first time in saying that the people of African descent were people actually debating at a high level. So a full day was given to Chief Awolowo to make his points. He spoke brilliantly as a lawyer. He made his points why secession should be incorporated in the constitution. He cited the case of the Soviet Union which is a federation, and that secession is written there so that any state in the Soviet Union can secede at will.
He also cited the case of Western Australia and eventually he finished his case and was applauded. We adjourned. The next day, I had to reply. I availed myself of the opportunity to, well, demolish the arguments of my friend and I cited the case of United States which based its constitution on that of the Swiss Confederation. That is Switzerland. I pointed out a case, I think, that of Texas versus White, where Mr. Salmon Chase, the Chief Justice laid down the principle - he was really an arbiter - that the union was intended to be perpetual and indivisible and that any attempt to divide the union by secession was treasonable.

https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/my-role-in-the-civil-war-by-zik/119382.html

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Nobody: 2:35pm On Jun 09, 2017
deji15:
[s]Another perspective on the agitation for secession, restructuring and resource control.

- How I wish Pa Nnamdi Azikiwe had listen to Pa Awo and allowed secession clause to make it into the Nigeria constitution in 1953.
- How I wish Nzeogwu and Ifeajuna did not kill other regional leaders in 1966 which set up a chain of reaction for other event that culminated into Civil war that killed millions
- How I wish Nzeogwu and Ifeajuna did not execute the first coup which usher in the era of military rule that wasted 30 years of Nigeria national life.
- How I wish General Ironsi did not issue the unitary system of Govt via decree 34 in 1966.

If any or all of the above had happened, then their descendants will not be wailing about slavery today.
Had I known is always at last.
When the foundation is faulty, the building cannot stand.[/s]

How I wish that Awolowo did not starve 5 million Biafraan children.

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Nobody: 2:38pm On Jun 09, 2017
new2020:


How I wish that Awolowo did not starve 5 million Biafraan children.

Very easy for you to cancel the facts and substitute it with your fallacy.

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by davodyguy: 2:41pm On Jun 09, 2017
new2020:


How I wish that Awolowo did not starve 5 million Biafraan children.
Ojuiku starved them, not Awolowo

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Nobody: 2:42pm On Jun 09, 2017
davodyguy:

Ojuiku starved them, not Awolowo
I really can't understand why they always believe in the alternate facts when the truth and reality stares them in the face.

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by davodyguy: 2:45pm On Jun 09, 2017
deji15:

I really can't understand why they always believe in the alternate facts when the truth and reality stares them in the face.

If greed didn't push ojuiku to war, then no one would ha é been starved. Before the war were people starved to death? After the war were people starved to death?

So, without one man starting the war, no one would have been starved

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Nobody: 2:46pm On Jun 09, 2017
davodyguy:


If greed didn't push ojuiku to war, then no one would ha é been starved. Before the war were people starved to death? After the war were people starved to death?

So, without one man starting the war, no one would have been starved

I concur!

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by pazienza(m): 2:58pm On Jun 09, 2017
This Yoruba secession clause propaganda had been decimated and rendered useless many times here, so much that Yorubas ran out of points.

Yet at any point they think we had forgotten, they would try to resurrect this propaganda.
Here are threads where it was decimated.
http://
www.nairaland.com/3675653//7
https://www.nairaland.com/3663093/read-1979-
interview-dr-nnamdi/2#54306296

OP, you should be ashamed!

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by bitcoinvin(m): 2:58pm On Jun 09, 2017
AREWA YOUTHS' QUIT NOTICE AND THREAT OF GENOCIDE; BEYOND THE RHETORICS
By Charles Ogbu
It is no longer news that some group of hausa/fulani Muslim Youths under the auspices of 'Arewa Youth', recently issued a 3 month notice to Igbos living and doing business in the North to leave or be visited with ethnic cleansing. The notice, they say, was premised on the May 30th successful Sit-At-Home observed by Igbos in honor of their Biafran fallen heroes.
Just so we are clear, this writer has no plan of joining issues with some bunch of intellectually kwashiokored Quota System products masquerading as Arewa Youth. Not at all. The fact that the so called Arewa Youths had to unashamedly dedicate two paragraphs of their Press Release to explaining how they intend to take over Igbo investments at the expiration of the 'quit notice' proves they are nothing short of a collection of covetous lazy under-doers undeserving of even the silence of civilized men in a 21st century world.
I would say the genocide threat came to me as a surprise except I would have lied. What will surprise me is the day the scions of Danfodio begin to excel in any other field of human endeavour like education, business, sports and entertainment as against terrorism, religious killing, bombing and butchering people which remain their area of specialization till date.
Expecting the core Hausa/fulani Muslim North to stop wasting human lives is as criminally funny as expecting a vampire to stop feeding on human blood. But like I said, some mentally retarded barbarians ain't worth discussing. What I find very troubling is the ease with which so many of us appear to have swallowed the deceit, the grandstanding and the double-speak of the Arewa Consultative Forum, Northern governors like Nasir El-rufai and other prominent Northerners among others.
There are some glaring facts we need to point out here:
No1, The meeting as well as the Press Conference was held in Arewa House. The venue speaks volume. Just for the sake of clarity, Arewa House is the official residence of Sir Ahmadu Bello; the first premier of the Northern region. Currently, the House is the official meeting place for Arewa Consultative Forum and Arewa Elders Forum, the Northern region power house. The choice of that venue speaks to some form of institutional approval and official but covert endorsement of the position of those 16th century minded youths by some highly placed Northern elements.
No2. The fact that the Sultan of Sokoto, the most influential hausa/fulani Muslim leader in the country has not categorically condemned this open threat of genocide should force the sleeping brain of every Igbo person and indeed all Southerner into a reboot mode. The silence of the Sultan in this is anything but golden.
No3.That 'arrest order' dished out by kaduna state governor, Nasir El-rufai against the genocidal youths was the gravest insult to human decency. Elrufai is the last person any reasonable human being who is not a fulani Muslim should trust with his life. When it comes to lack of respect to the sanctity of human lives, even Lucifer will do well to come receive some tutorial from governor El-rufai. Isn't it a classic definition of irony that governor El-rufai who is currently supervising a systematic genocide against the Christian people of Southern kaduna should be warning another group hell-bent on replicating the same hate-induced ethnic cleansing on another ethnic group, this time, the Igbos? The same El-rufai who publicly admitted tracking the murderous fulani herdsmen to their base and paying them cash compensation instead of prosecuting them? The same El-rufai under whose watch the people of Jema'a local govt were butchered by fulani terrorists on 24th night and 25th morning of December 2016 even as the whole place was under a state of emergency with soldiers everywhere??
Anyone who can't see that El-rufai is far worse than those Northern Youths is simply playing the Ostrich. Anyone who can't see that he (El-rufai) gave the empty arrest order in a desperate bid to launder his badly dilapidated image ahead of his 2019 presidential ambition is simply incapable of seeing anything. Anyone who truly believed he (El-rufai) meant that arrest order will most certainly believe that the devil can lead one to heaven. Any Igbo man who believe that a self-confessed terrorist financiar like governor El-rufai will protect him should simply go for a special DNA test to ascertain not just his paternity but his ancestry, too.
The fact that even after calls for their arrest were made, those youths still came live on Channels T.V to defend their position and majestically walked out of the studio with no arrest confirms that indeed, they got assurances from the criminally inept and religiously/ethnically biased hausa/fulani Muslim dominated security agencies before holding that Press conference. When Buhari went to his village to excavate his kinsman, Lawal Daura from retirement and made him the DSS boss, some people, mostly southerners, were busy justifying it with tales of how ancestor Lugard did it in 19kpirigidim. When he concentrated almost all arm-bearing security agencies in the hand of his fellow Hausa/fulani Muslims, we were greeted with the same silly justification of "even if he fills the whole posts with his Daura people, it doesn't matter". I hope those of you who made those moronic defence are proud of yourselves?
Even in the very unlikely event that some of those Arewa Youths are arrested, it is only a man suffering from generational amnesia that will hail such move considering how the Sharia govt of Kano state quickly arrested the killers of Mrs Bridget Agbohime who was gruesomely murdered by Islamist Wildlings only for the same Kano state to usurp the powers of the Judge handling the case and declare that the arrested guys all had no case to answer. As I type this, those barbarians yet walk the earth as free men.
Let's quit lying to ourselves here. We don't have a country. We never did. All we ever had was an illusion and even that illusion is a very fraudulent illusion, not a genuine one. The 1914 amalgamation was one of the gravest mistake in human history. British thugs joined us together solely for the purpose of administrative and economic convenience. Nothing more.
Looking at Nigeria today, the Christian South plus the middle Belt and other northern Christian minorities have absolutely nothing in common with the Hausa/fulani Muslims. Even our world views are world apart. While one group wishes to mingle with the civilized world, the other group is eager to go back to the dark ages. You can argue this till tomorrow but deep down, you know its the truth and I know that you know.
The Hausa/fulani Muslim part of the North is the region that produced two terror groups, Boko haram and fulani terrorists, once adjudged the deadliest and the 4th deadliest terror groups in the whole world by the Global Terror Index. This is the same people that produced the first Nigerian international terrorist, the underwear bomber, Abdulmutallab junior. It is still this same Hausa/fulani Muslims that butchered hundreds of people over a cartoon of Prophet Muhammad drawn in far away Denmark by a cartoonist who has no ties with Nigeria.
Why would any decent being want to share same geographical space with these bloodthirsty lot??
The irony of it all is that it is the same Scions of Danfodio asking Igbos to leave their region that is still holding back the Igbos. The Arewa North doesn't want Restructuring. They don't want True Fiscal federalism. And they still don't like the idea of the Igbos pursuing self determination. What exactly do the hausa/Fulanis want Answer: They want the continuation of the status quo where Kano state with her fraudulently acquired 44 local govts and next-to-nothing contribution to the federal treasury will keep receiving more allocation than states like Bayelsa with just 8 local govts but which contribute significantly to the federal purse. This is the kind of dubious arrangement that has been sustaining the Arewa North.
This is why no hausa/fulani Northerner will ever Restructure this country. Already, the attorney general, Mr Malami, has sworn that there will be no restructuring. Just yesterday, Lai Muhammad, the lying minister of information, clearly stated that restructuring is not in their agenda. Even Atiku Abubakar won't dare restructure Nigeria. And I will tell you why: The very idea of restructuring entails empowering each region to control her resources and develop at her own pace which is a euphemistic way of saying that the powerful Fulanis and other Northerners who own oil blocks in the Niger Delta will surrender the ownership of those oil blocks to the real owners of the land. Plus, the office of the presidency will loose most of its powers.
A betting man will bet that the # ChildrenOfDanfo diowould never allow this kind of arrangement considering how much they rely on southern resources to survive and their obsession with political power. As it happens, I Charles Ogbu, am a betting man.
To the Igbos living in core Northern states like Bornu, Yobe, Adamawa etc, please, start making plans to move Eastward. Your parents survived with just £20. You, too, will most certainly survive even if you loose a few of your investments. No one but you can protect you from these Barbarians if you are in the sharia-infestedcore North. Permit me to remind you how the administrator of old Eastern region, Odumegwu Ojukwu, entered into a deal in 1966 with Col.Hassan Usman Katsina, the administrator of old Northern region that Easterners living in the North will be returned safely to the East, ditto Northerners residing in the East. Northerners were returned to the North in one piece. Even their armed men were not disarmed. But, Easterners were returned in body bags. Even pregnant women were reportedly cut open and their foetuses sent back to the land of permanent silence. The killing kicked off in the compound of the same col. Hassan who gave Ojukwu his word.
To those of you still making investments in the North despite the harsh realities on ground, I need you to know that you are playing Russian Roulette with your resources.
Go and develop your region!
Go and develop your region! You have no excuse whatsoever because most of these Northern areas were empty desert but you went there and developed them. If you can develop volatile areas like the NorthEast, you can equally do same to the land of your birth! Please! Onye ajulu, O na aju onwe ya?
TIGER FOODS is arguably the biggest spice company in West Africa. Its headquarter is not in Kano. It is not in Kaduna. It is not even in Lagos. It is in Ala-Igbo, Onitsha to be precise. Check out INNOSON MOTORS. They are all in Igbo land giving employment to their people and developing Ala-Igbo. So what excuse do you have? If you take your products and services even to hellfire, people who need them will defy uncle Lucifer and come to you.
Even the blind can see that this Lugard Cage must either restructure or be dissolved. And it has to be now! No amount of threat from the Danfodios of this world can stop this.
Winter is almost upon us. It will be such a walking shame if any Igbo man and indeed any southerner, is caught unaware.

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Eastfield1: 2:59pm On Jun 09, 2017
deji15:

I really can't understand why they always believe in the alternate facts when the truth and reality stares them in the face.
They?
U are even a yoloba self.
I was thinking what kind of re+arded Igbo would come here to create a thread and spew this trash.
But then I decided to check very well
And I wasn't disappointed a bit.
It's what you and ur useless tribesmen are known for
Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Eastfield1: 3:02pm On Jun 09, 2017
pazienza:
This Yoruba secession clause propaganda had been decimated and rendered useless many times here, so much that Yorubas ran out of points.

Yet at any point they think we had forgotten, they would try to resurrect this propaganda.
Here are threads where it was decimated.
http://
www.nairaland.com/3675653//7
https://www.nairaland.com/3663093/read-1979-
interview-dr-nnamdi/2#54306296

OP, you should be ashamed!
Nwanne ihulanu ndi ara o

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by raumdeuter: 3:02pm On Jun 09, 2017
new2020:
How I wish that Awolowo did not starve 5 million Biafraan children.

Tell me why Awolowo should be responsible for feeding Biafran children

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Nobody: 3:05pm On Jun 09, 2017
Eastfield1:

They?
U are even a yoloba self.
I was thinking what kind of retarded Igbo would come here to create a thread and spew this trash.
But then I decided to check very well
And I wasn't disappointed a bit.
It's what you and ur useless tribesmen are known for

No need for name calling as it is childish. You cannot dispute any of the fact.

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Nobody: 3:08pm On Jun 09, 2017
davodyguy:


If greed didn't push ojuiku to war, then no one would ha é been starved. Before the war were people starved to death? After the war were people starved to death?

So, without one man starting the war, no one would have been starved


So to seek a right of secession is a declaration of war?
Don't you get it, we are not compatible
Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Eastfield1: 3:09pm On Jun 09, 2017
deji15:


No need for name calling as it is childish. You cannot dispute any of the fact.
Which fact.
For Christ seek why do u waste ppl like deluding urself
Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by davodyguy: 3:12pm On Jun 09, 2017
maria43:



So to seek a right of secession is a declaration of war?
Don't you get it, we are not compatible
You're missing the point.

Ojuiku declared war and not gowon. Ojuiku 'perceived' marginalization and chose to go to war

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Nobody: 3:17pm On Jun 09, 2017
davodyguy:

You're missing the point.

Ojuiku declared war and not gowon. Ojuiku 'perceived' marginalization and chose to go to war


No sir, ojukwu declared the republic of biafra
Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by obialfa: 3:22pm On Jun 09, 2017
deji15:
Another perspective on the agitation for secession, restructuring and resource control.

- How I wish Pa Nnamdi Azikiwe had listen to Pa Awo and allowed secession clause to make it into the Nigeria constitution in 1953.
- How I wish Nzeogwu and Ifeajuna did not kill other regional leaders in 1966 which set up a chain of reaction for other event that culminated into Civil war that killed millions
- How I wish Nzeogwu and Ifeajuna did not execute the first coup which usher in the era of military rule that wasted 30 years of Nigeria national life.
- How I wish General Ironsi did not issue the unitary system of Govt via decree 34 in 1966.

If any or all of the above defining moments for Nigeria had not happen, then their descendants will not be wailing about slavery today.
Had I known is always at last.
When the foundation is faulty, the building cannot stand.

Just be grateful to Britain and shut up.
Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Nobody: 3:26pm On Jun 09, 2017
pazienza:
This Yoruba secession clause propaganda had been decimated and rendered useless many times here, so much that Yorubas ran out of points.

Yet at any point they think we had forgotten, they would try to resurrect this propaganda.
Here are threads where it was decimated.
http://
www.nairaland.com/3675653//7
https://www.nairaland.com/3663093/read-1979-
interview-dr-nnamdi/2#54306296

OP, you should be ashamed!

Why do you believe in innuendos instead of the fact of history?

https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/sports/198640/50/a-nation-is-an-idea-thinking-through-biafra-part-1.html by henry chukwuemeka onyema

This was Zik in his own voice:

Azikiwe: In 1953 the NPC under the leadership of my good friend, the late Sardauna, threatened to secede from the federation unless their 6-point proposals were adhered to. I had to use personal diplomacy. We had been personal friends since 1940. So, I saw Sir Ahmadu Bello and prevailed upon him that the unity of this country was greater than himself and myself and the other people too helped so that the North shifted grounds and agreed and so the country was saved. That was in 1953.
Again, however, when the 1954 constitution conference started, my good friend, Chief Obafemi Awolowo tabled a motion to the effect that in the new constitution, provision should be made that any state which feels like seceding should do so. I was opposed to it and said ‘no’ and said that once we have a federation, we are indivisible and perpetual. That was when we began to use that expression - ‘The Indivisibility and perpetuity of the federation’ - and that to secede would amount to treason. And so, a debate ensued.
The Secretary of State then was Oliver Littleton, later Lord Chandos and he was very much interested and that was his first time in saying that the people of African descent were people actually debating at a high level. So a full day was given to Chief Awolowo to make his points. He spoke brilliantly as a lawyer. He made his points why secession should be incorporated in the constitution. He cited the case of the Soviet Union which is a federation, and that secession is written there so that any state in the Soviet Union can secede at will.
He also cited the case of Western Australia and eventually he finished his case and was applauded. We adjourned. The next day, I had to reply. I availed myself of the opportunity to, well, demolish the arguments of my friend and I cited the case of United States which based its constitution on that of the Swiss Confederation. That is Switzerland. I pointed out a case, I think, that of Texas versus White, where Mr. Salmon Chase, the Chief Justice laid down the principle - he was really an arbiter - that the union was intended to be perpetual and indivisible and that any attempt to divide the union by secession was treasonable.



https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/my-role-in-the-civil-war-by-zik/119382.html

Two sources from Igbos with names (not no name like you) wrote practically the same thing, yet you will rather play the ostrich by burying your head in the sand.

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Nobody: 3:27pm On Jun 09, 2017
obialfa:


Just be grateful to Britain and shut up.
Be a rational human being. Asking someone to shut up will not erase the facts of history.

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by obialfa: 3:29pm On Jun 09, 2017
deji15:

Be a rational human being. Asking someone to shut up will not erase the facts of history.

Like britain and egypt fighting your wars for you?

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Nobody: 3:30pm On Jun 09, 2017
Eastfield1:

Which fact.
For Christ seek why do u waste ppl like deluding urself

You can't even spell nor articulate your points correctly. Take time to study rather than emotional outbursts.

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Nobody: 3:33pm On Jun 09, 2017
obialfa:


Like britain and egypt fighting your wars for you?

People take sides during the war. But the issue for discussion right now is not who supported who during the war. Take a glass of water and read to understand . The facts are presented, dispute any of them if you can.

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by obialfa: 3:35pm On Jun 09, 2017
deji15:


People take sides during the war. But the issue for discussion right now is not who supported who during the war. Take a glass of water and read to understand . The facts are presented, dispute any of them if you can.

Britain used you to get decades of cheap oil supply.
Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Nobody: 3:40pm On Jun 09, 2017
obialfa:


Britain used you to get decades of cheap oil supply.

While France supported you for the same Goal. The issue is what led to the war. Leave Britain and other outsiders out of it. That is diversionary. The discussion is about how contributions from Azikiwe, Ifeajuna, and Nzeogwu contributed to your present predicament.

Here is Zik in his own voice:

Azikiwe: In 1953 the NPC under the leadership of my good friend, the late Sardauna, threatened to secede from the federation unless their 6-point proposals were adhered to. I had to use personal diplomacy. We had been personal friends since 1940. So, I saw Sir Ahmadu Bello and prevailed upon him that the unity of this country was greater than himself and myself and the other people too helped so that the North shifted grounds and agreed and so the country was saved. That was in 1953.
Again, however, when the 1954 constitution conference started, my good friend, Chief Obafemi Awolowo tabled a motion to the effect that in the new constitution, provision should be made that any state which feels like seceding should do so. I was opposed to it and said ‘no’ and said that once we have a federation, we are indivisible and perpetual. That was when we began to use that expression - ‘The Indivisibility and perpetuity of the federation’ - and that to secede would amount to treason. And so, a debate ensued.
The Secretary of State then was Oliver Littleton, later Lord Chandos and he was very much interested and that was his first time in saying that the people of African descent were people actually debating at a high level. So a full day was given to Chief Awolowo to make his points. He spoke brilliantly as a lawyer. He made his points why secession should be incorporated in the constitution. He cited the case of the Soviet Union which is a federation, and that secession is written there so that any state in the Soviet Union can secede at will.
He also cited the case of Western Australia and eventually he finished his case and was applauded. We adjourned. The next day, I had to reply. I availed myself of the opportunity to, well, demolish the arguments of my friend and I cited the case of United States which based its constitution on that of the Swiss Confederation. That is Switzerland. I pointed out a case, I think, that of Texas versus White, where Mr. Salmon Chase, the Chief Justice laid down the principle - he was really an arbiter - that the union was intended to be perpetual and indivisible and that any attempt to divide the union by secession was treasonable.

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by obialfa: 3:43pm On Jun 09, 2017
deji15:


While France supported you for the same Goal. The issue is what led to the war. Leave Britain and other outsiders out of it. That is diversionary. The discussion is about how contributions from Azikiwe, Ifeajuna, and Nzeogwu contributed to your present predicament.

Here is Zik in his own voice:

Azikiwe: In 1953 the NPC under the leadership of my good friend, the late Sardauna, threatened to secede from the federation unless their 6-point proposals were adhered to. I had to use personal diplomacy. We had been personal friends since 1940. So, I saw Sir Ahmadu Bello and prevailed upon him that the unity of this country was greater than himself and myself and the other people too helped so that the North shifted grounds and agreed and so the country was saved. That was in 1953.
Again, however, when the 1954 constitution conference started, my good friend, Chief Obafemi Awolowo tabled a motion to the effect that in the new constitution, provision should be made that any state which feels like seceding should do so. I was opposed to it and said ‘no’ and said that once we have a federation, we are indivisible and perpetual. That was when we began to use that expression - ‘The Indivisibility and perpetuity of the federation’ - and that to secede would amount to treason. And so, a debate ensued.
The Secretary of State then was Oliver Littleton, later Lord Chandos and he was very much interested and that was his first time in saying that the people of African descent were people actually debating at a high level. So a full day was given to Chief Awolowo to make his points. He spoke brilliantly as a lawyer. He made his points why secession should be incorporated in the constitution. He cited the case of the Soviet Union which is a federation, and that secession is written there so that any state in the Soviet Union can secede at will.
He also cited the case of Western Australia and eventually he finished his case and was applauded. We adjourned. The next day, I had to reply. I availed myself of the opportunity to, well, demolish the arguments of my friend and I cited the case of United States which based its constitution on that of the Swiss Confederation. That is Switzerland. I pointed out a case, I think, that of Texas versus White, where Mr. Salmon Chase, the Chief Justice laid down the principle - he was really an arbiter - that the union was intended to be perpetual and indivisible and that any attempt to divide the union by secession was treasonable.


Stop living in the past. This is now.
Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by Nobody: 3:47pm On Jun 09, 2017
obialfa:


Stop living in the past. This is now.

The past was our defining moments.
Sometimes it is too late to cry when the head is off.
That is why the Title of the post is: Had I known, always come at last

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by vicadex07(m): 4:00pm On Jun 09, 2017
obialfa:


Like britain and egypt fighting your wars for you?

As if france and Cameroon did not help you either. Hypocrite...

undecided

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by vicadex07(m): 4:02pm On Jun 09, 2017
obialfa:


Stop living in the past. This is now.

But biafra was in the past and you people are bringing it back just because GEJ lost the elections.

So much hypocrisy undecided

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by ejanla077: 4:23pm On Jun 09, 2017
i am a unity begging yoruba muslim..

Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by KINGwax007(m): 4:35pm On Jun 09, 2017
pazienza:
This Yoruba secession clause propaganda had been decimated and rendered useless many times here, so much that Yorubas ran out of points.

Yet at any point they think we had forgotten, they would try to resurrect this propaganda.
Here are threads where it was decimated.
http://
www.nairaland.com/3675653//7
https://www.nairaland.com/3663093/read-1979-
interview-dr-nnamdi/2#54306296

OP, you should be ashamed!
and you cited Nairaland as a valid source?

Is your brain truly dead?

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Re: Had I Known Is Always At Last - 1954 Secession Clause by pazienza(m): 4:36pm On Jun 09, 2017
deji15:


Why do you believe in innuendos instead of the fact of history?

https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/sports/198640/50/a-nation-is-an-idea-thinking-through-biafra-part-1.html by henry chukwuemeka onyema

This was Zik in his own voice:

Azikiwe: In 1953 the NPC under the leadership of my good friend, the late Sardauna, threatened to secede from the federation unless their 6-point proposals were adhered to. I had to use personal diplomacy. We had been personal friends since 1940. So, I saw Sir Ahmadu Bello and prevailed upon him that the unity of this country was greater than himself and myself and the other people too helped so that the North shifted grounds and agreed and so the country was saved. That was in 1953.
Again, however, when the 1954 constitution conference started, my good friend, Chief Obafemi Awolowo tabled a motion to the effect that in the new constitution, provision should be made that any state which feels like seceding should do so. I was opposed to it and said ‘no’ and said that once we have a federation, we are indivisible and perpetual. That was when we began to use that expression - ‘The Indivisibility and perpetuity of the federation’ - and that to secede would amount to treason. And so, a debate ensued.
The Secretary of State then was Oliver Littleton, later Lord Chandos and he was very much interested and that was his first time in saying that the people of African descent were people actually debating at a high level. So a full day was given to Chief Awolowo to make his points. He spoke brilliantly as a lawyer. He made his points why secession should be incorporated in the constitution. He cited the case of the Soviet Union which is a federation, and that secession is written there so that any state in the Soviet Union can secede at will.
He also cited the case of Western Australia and eventually he finished his case and was applauded. We adjourned. The next day, I had to reply. I availed myself of the opportunity to, well, demolish the arguments of my friend and I cited the case of United States which based its constitution on that of the Swiss Confederation. That is Switzerland. I pointed out a case, I think, that of Texas versus White, where Mr. Salmon Chase, the Chief Justice laid down the principle - he was really an arbiter - that the union was intended to be perpetual and indivisible and that any attempt to divide the union by secession was treasonable.



https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/my-role-in-the-civil-war-by-zik/119382.html

Two sources from Igbos with names (not no name like you) wrote practically the same thing, yet you will rather play the ostrich by burying your head in the sand.



You present no new argument.

All you presented had been demolished here: http://
www.nairaland.com/3675653//7
https://www.nairaland.com/3663093/read-1979-
interview-dr-nnamdi/2#54306296

Your superiors that were peddling this your cheap blackmail were stripped naked and battered there and they subsequently fled from the thread when they ran out points.

The least you could do is present a new case.

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