ElRazur:

A socialist website? Are you kidding me? Yet you have accused me of reading from CNN or something and believing everything the UN throws at me or something. Are you now seriously, quoting a piece from a SOCIALIST WEBSITE to back up your claim? I have attended their rallies here in London and listen to a few of their talks. Thanks, but no thank you.

What credible source do you have? I am more than happy counter  most point if not all raised by the socialist piece you posted.


By the way, I can't see your post. It is showing that you are the last person to post, but I had to go and view it in your profile. I think this is because the spam bot think your post is a spam - i,e just copied and pasted.

el razur here is the link again

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/jan2010/obha-j30.shtml

- btw whats wrong with looking at news from a socialist perspective - these are people who speak on behalf of the disenfranchised, the marginalised and the underclasses whereas the bbc, cnn fox speak on behalf of big business, powerful lobby groups and corrupt politicians but you prefer to pitch your tent with the latter. 

the corporate news media is biased and censored because these organisations are owned by billionaire business men who have a vested interest in presenting a distorted version of the news - all throughout the years that Haiti has been subjected to military intervention, occupation and economic destruction not one of these corporate news outlets have as much as uttered a word of condemnation against the US, when Aristide was toppled by the US marines in a coup d'etat , every single western media organisation either remained silent or presented a distorted version of what actually happened, the only sites where you could get a true picture of what was going on were independent news outlets or left leaning websites therefore if i want the truth thats where i go. 

there is no way that i am going to read and beleive anything broadcasted by a media corporation which has within its ranks people who are paid up members of the CIA  (NBC, CNN, BBC, FOX) these organisations are sources of disinformation their job is to lie, dupe and mislead the public, i have my own mind and i will not be brainwashed into soaking up their lies and garbage, the way i do things is i read independent articles written by journalists who do not have a vested interest in the corrupt western system of govt and then i go on to do my own research in order to corroborate what i have read - this is known as critical analysis bro.

Which account here is particularly new ?
New as in created for this very earthquake case, one problem i discovered wih you here is your ability to dismiss facts because they did not come from you or your propaganda tools.

let me give you a tour of the people who posted here.

Name: cap28
Posts: 228 (1.303 per day)
Position: Active Poster
Date Registered: August 08, 2009, 07:22 PM
Last Active: Today at 03:23:02 PM

apparently he is not a talkative like you. with hundreds of posts a day.
I believe the bolded date was before the Haiti Earthquake.

Name: Negro_Ntns
Posts: 2985 (4.885 per day)
Position: Active Poster
Date Registered: May 29, 2008, 09:16 PM
Last Active: Today at 10:24:39 AM

2008, apparently that was before the earthquake.


Name: Sam Milla
Posts: 6063 (4.858 per day)
Position: Active Poster
Date Registered: August 31, 2006, 07:50 PM
Last Active: Today at 01:07:17 PM

2006, oh, one of them pioneer members.
another member before earthquake. I have been reading many of his posts.
mostly on the jokes section. I was surprised to see him over here.
I was even more surprised that he knows much about US foreign Policy.


Name: Horus
Posts: 2555 (2.452 per day)
Position: Active Poster
Date Registered: March 25, 2007, 10:15 PM
Last Active: Today at 03:29:53 PM

2007,   apparently a member here before you. Right ?


Name: emmatigana
Posts: 25 (0.216 per day)
Position: Active Poster
Date Registered: October 06, 2009, 09:33 PM
Last Active: Today at 03:41:40 PM

and me,  October 2009. that was before the earthquake i guess.unless i knew it was going to happen and created my account for it.

Therefore i dont see any account created for Haiti Earthquake here.


You know Elrazur, there was a place where you said something about who should be allowed to post here something similar to that.
I think You are a communist socialist. You just get things twisted. You call people names because they dont agree with you.
Man grow out of it,

Do you really believe CNN will say anything against the United State ?
If you really need to see the bad things US do, You have to look somewhere, not on US govt media house.

el razur

more info on america's recolonisation of Haiti


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyHVLn1SsKU

I saw that video. Dont we all know that before now except some idio.ts who live by the book.

I heard someone here saying that the Haiti President invited USA. i say why not ?

Why wont HAMID KARZAI invite US if there is Earthquake in Afghanistan ?
Aristide won over 85% of peoples vote in Haiti, what happened to him?

emmatigana:

I saw that video. Dont we all know that before now except some idio.ts who live by the book.

I heard someone here saying that the Haiti President invited USA. i say why not ?

Why wont HAMID KARZAI invite US if there is Earthquake in Afghanistan ?
Aristide won over 85% of peoples vote in Haiti, what happened to him?

bro unfortunately there are many who remain in the dark -  here's political prisoner abu mumia jamal's current take on the haitian earthquake:

http://queerartist./2010/01/23/mumia-abu-jamal-on-haiti/

no i dont think anybody is in the dark.

they need a written note from US on their intentions in Haiti.

More Reasons why we must not sleep ,

I am watching it on CNN now. Children are crying that they parents are alive.
That they are not orphans. Kidnappers claim they are Orphans.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35162046/ns/world_news-haiti_earthquake/

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60T23I20100130

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_quake_haiti_arrests

http://www.radioaustralianews.net.au/stories/201001/2805987.htm?desktop

http://www.sfexaminer.com/world/americans-arrested-trying-to-take-haitian-orphans-without-papers-into-dominican-republic-83176572.html

Of Course, the Govt Is not aware. Americans are there to help.

Its in the news everywhere because it was the Haiti Authorities that made the arrests not US.

emmatigana:

More Reasons why we must not sleep ,

I am watching it on CNN now. Children are crying that they parents are alive.
That they are not orphans. Kidnappers claim they are Orphans.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35162046/ns/world_news-haiti_earthquake/

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60T23I20100130

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_quake_haiti_arrests

http://www.radioaustralianews.net.au/stories/201001/2805987.htm?desktop

http://www.sfexaminer.com/world/americans-arrested-trying-to-take-haitian-orphans-without-papers-into-dominican-republic-83176572.html

Of Course, the Govt Is not aware. Americans are there to help.

Its in the news everywhere because it was the Haiti Authorities that made the arrests not US.

these people are US/UK govt agents who provide children to paedophile rings which operate within the US and europe  - dont take my word for it research it - these people are demonic

http://stolenkids-anecdotal..com/2009/05/paedophile-rings-how-secret-societies.html

@topic,

You people have turned me into a Prophet, or is it Primate or Alfa (which one is more distinguished?). It's not even been 24 hrs since I made a prediction and see how many people have reared their heads to make my predictions come true. "I have started counting, soon we will see the rest of the horde coming out here to have their cheap shot at the United States. I guess the mere feeling of powerfulness that comes from condemning a powerful nation is too intoxicating for insecure people to ignore. The thing wey bad belle go cause ehn." I am sure we have not seen the last of them.

@cap28,

if you look at china they are interested in economic development but not imperial hegemony, has china tried to invade or occupy any sovereign nation? have they provided military assistance and training to repressive govts around the world, have they aided and abetted corrupt govts in the looting and plunder of those countries natural resources, have they instituted austerity measures such as SAP (structural adjustment policies) on developing nations in exchange for loans with extortionate interest rates attached

I can't believe you wrote the above. You mean China is a model State for the rest of the world? What planet do you live on? Since you appear to have a socialist bent, you take a look at the following article that provides a twin response to your posting above. It reveals the imperialism of China and at the same time the hypocrisy of those who talk about socialism as a viable alternative to capitalism represented by the United States. [url]http://socialistworker.org/2009/06/23/china%E2%80%99s-record-of-imperialism[/url] To think that the article did not even menation China's adventure in Sudan!

@Sam,

I believe you wrote this to make yourself feel OK. To justify the American Invasion and intimidation of other Nations.

Again, you reveal your insecurity by accusing others of what you practice.  I am very secure in my skin and do not need to pull others down or rail against a superpower in order to feel okay about myself.  You are left to practice this alone.

Like Cap said, What about China ?

What about China?  Have you heard about Tibet or Sudan?

Russians are more interested in punishing their satellite states which America took away through sponsored terrorist bombings.
Chechnya, Georgia, Belarus, Ukraine, ETC.

America took these countries away from Russia?  What are you smoking?

Currently they are proposing building what they called defense shield in those Countries which of Course Russians said no.

Which countries?  The missile shield was only proposed to be built inside the Czech Republic and Poland.  And for your information, Obama has shelved those plans. 

What right has Russia to demand what a country can and cannot do?  Isn't that the hallmark of Imperialism?  Abegi, I have given you too much time already.  You sure have no clue what you are talking about.

cap28:

these people are US/UK govt agents who provide children to paedophile rings which operate within the US and europe  - dont take my word for it research it - these people are demonic

http://stolenkids-anecdotal..com/2009/05/paedophile-rings-how-secret-societies.html

This this exactly what I fear the most. The Haitians childrens are easy prays for paedophile rings and human organ trafficker. We have to react by posting more informations on the internet about this case. (On forums and social networking sites) We have to protect the Haitians childrens.

You kept mentioning secure over and over here ? what kind of security exactly are you talking about ?
I dont get it. Let me get you, You have a good job, a good salary, lives in a good house, educated etc. living American Dream.
Is that the security you mean ? If that is exactly what you mean, i can assure you that i passed those levels of life long ago.
I dont call them security since the man next to me doesn't have those privileges.
When are you going to come out of your Ignorance stage of life? That should be the question.

And Yes, America took Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus and co out of Russia. i suggest you do a research about that because a topic related to that will come up someday too.

The Defense shield as Bush Called it was supposed to be built in Czechs and Poland. Great.
How many Kilometers is Poland and Czechs from Russia ?
Russia showed up with a nuclear warhead in Cuba, What did the United States do ?
Russia and Venezuela Practiced Military war game in Venezuela Waters last time and US nearly declared war.
What is your definition of Insecurity ? Me or the US ? Or do you just pull out a word and use it in the middle of a sentence ?

Ok, let me make it a little bit easier for you.
Czechs and Poland are Among the Russian Satellite Countries. Do some research too.
A nuclear warhead mounted in Poland, Czechs, Hungary, Ukraine, Slovakia can easily destroy Moscow.

Why didnt the US propose to do that In Germany Or France ? They chose countries they can easily manipulate to submission.
I suggest you look in the European Map before touching your keyboard again.

BTW why did OBAMA cancel the defense shield plan ? since it was a blessed idea ? because i dont recall Poland pulling out.
, I am curious as to why You mentioned Sudan ? What connection does it have with Tibet ?

A post was made here about people kidnapping children, i didnt see your comment about it.
Just rotating around personality. You are secured. Minister of Security ?

@Sam,

You don't know what it is to be insecure? No wonder you have not been able to diagnose what your problem is. I suppose your friends here can help you with that.

As to the drivel you wrote above, I will not take upon myself, the responsibility to untwist you from the logjam you got yourself into. Instead of acknowledging you were wrong, you try to look intelligent by writing things you obviosuly know little about.

From declaring that "currently they are proposing", which is in a present continuous tense to now acknowledging that the plan has been canceled by Obama (in past tense) after I revealed the info to you. How many times do you have to be proven wrong?

A post was made here about people kidnapping children, i didnt see your comment about it

You don't determine what I comment upon. Unlike you, I do not respond to things I have no knowledge about. I thought this discussion is about what the United Staes is doing in Haiti. Are you now saying the goal is to kidnap little children? While a few individuals may be guilty of criminality, it does not reflect on the millions of Americans who during this economic hardship are still making very sizeable donation to Haiti. Last I checked, Americans have given more to help Haiti than any other Nationals. Same was the case during the Tsunnami in Indonesia. Why ignore the action of millions, but chose to demonise them for the actions of a few.

I talk am before. This thing na bad belle.

What baffles me here is how you and your camp turn to academic attacks even after understanding clearly the points someone is trying to make.
Just like Negro said before, You guys think going to Havard or Stanford makes you a perfect a know-all.
My stand in this topic will begin to clear the cobwebs in your mind as soon as you understand that this is not about Biology or Chemistry or Literature.

It just looks like i am teaching a 10 year old boy.
Lets quit this and let everybody live with his own ideology.

@Sam,

What has Biology or Chemistry got to do with the fact that you think a past event is still ongoing? Going to Havard has nothing to do with ignorance of a regional political event.

Lets quit this and let everybody live with his own ideology.

Smartest thing you've said here.

Tayo-D:

@topic,

You people have turned me into a Prophet, or is it Primate or Alfa (which one is more distinguished?).

actually primate would be more apt but perhaps not the one you had in mind

@cap28,I can't believe you wrote the above. You mean China is a model State for the rest of the world? What planet do you live on? Since you appear to have a socialist bent, you take a look at the following article that provides a twin response to your posting above. It reveals the imperialism of China and at the same time the hypocrisy of those who talk about socialism as a viable alternative to capitalism represented by the United States. [url]http://socialistworker.org/2009/06/23/china%E2%80%99s-record-of-imperialism[/url] To think that the article did not even menation China's adventure in Sudan!

im on planet earth which clearly is an alien planet to you - first of all i woudl advise you to read that link that you posted and this time try and understand what its all about, the article refers to various foreign policy positions that china chose to adopt on a range of issues - there is a huge difference between adopting a position on something and actively carrying out a physical invasion of a sovereign state, or providing military asssitance by way of training and arms to counter revolutionary groups in order to further your imperialist objectives. 

name me any country which china has invaded for expansionist purposes, name me any country where china has fomented wars and rebellion in order to further imperialist objectives.

you mention sudan but unfortunately you've got it wrong again, china is in sudan for exactly the same reason america is in nigeria for business - to be precise oil.

unlike america's method of fomenting wars and destabilising regions in order to control the trade in that region   all they want is to engage in trade with the sudanese, the sudanese have chosen to exclude america from this arrangement and the americans are as mad as hell and for that reason they have embarked on a smear campaign against china.  before you shout darfur please go and research this issue and you will find that your beloved america and israel have been funding and arming the militia groups in this region in order  to disrupt the ongoing trade between china and sudan.[quote][/quote]

@Cap28,

Now you've limited imperialism to only occupying of another's land. In which case, I wonder what the problems of the Middle Easterners are that they always talk about America's foreign policy as the reason why they are so antagonistic towards the US.

I will not go into argument about what is going on in Sudan because I no get power to engage in prolonged debate with people who've already made their minds up one way or another, especially when religious sensitivities are involved. But do you seriously overlook China's adventures in Tibet and Vietnam?

Tayo-D:

@Cap28,

Now you've limited imperialism to only occupying of another's land. In which case, I wonder what the problems of the Middle Easterners are that they always talk about America's foreign policy as the reason why they are so antagonistic towards the US.

I will not go into argument about what is going on in Sudan because I no get power to engage in prolonged debate with people who've already made their minds up one way or another, especially when religious sensitivities are involved. But do you seriously overlook China's adventures in Tibet and Vietnam?

tayo imperialism is about stronger and more dominant nations occupying weaker nations - america does this mainly by establishing military bases in the countries that they have occupied - in the middle east america has military bases in kuwait, saudi arabia, qatar, bahrain and now iraq therefore it is occupying this region and this is why the arabs are unhappy, furthermore the creation of israel by the UN in 1947  which is  a satellite nation to the US created further unrest and instability in the region.

america currently operates 700 military bases in 130 countries around the world - see the link below for the extent of america's imperial power:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/us-military-expansion-and-intervention.html

im off to bed now but tomorrow ill tell you what china was doing in tibet and vietnam
goodnite

here are the dots. . .

1. the struggles of Haiti is not isolated from the struggles of blacks in America.

2. every black neighborhood in America is a "little Haiti" . . .so to speak.

3. the Haitian revolution against France was a model and the precursor to many such struggles to later follow in black America.

4. Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Black Panther, SNCC. . .etc. Each of these entities represented a marker in the journey of black American social struggle and fight for equality.

5. their struggles of 50yrs ago is in no way different from the struggles which we witness today in these neighborhoods - police brutality is as common today as it was then and as it was in the times of J Edgar Hoover and Jim Crow laws with FBI's CONINTELPRO (thanks Cap28), so it is today even with a black President in White House. The strategy of brutal rulership is transformed but the ideology of denying social justice to blacks is still strong and going.

6. American police are indoctrinated to believe that everywhere three or more black males are seeing together. . .sooner than you can imagine crime will occur. . .they must be conspiring to harm somebody or rob someone or do drugs or rape or carjack or kill or. . .on and on, the list is endless!

7. . . .so with Haiti quake, the next day American media was already broadcasting fear about crime. US was sending military and ammo to fight crime and protect people.

8. . . .nothing is changed! everywhere black people congreate. . there is bound to be lawlessness, chaos, disorderlliness. The white mainsream must thus intervene on behalf of the law abiding citizens and save the world from the villain called black man.


this is not about anti-America, if you go through many of my posts you will see how vehemently I defend America when its right to do so. . .this is about truth! The interests of my black people trump that of citizenship. If Haiti is under attack, I am under attack and I may not have a force matching the opponents but I have a damn good stamina to stand ground in a verbal assault and wear and tear my opponent apart.

America is in Haiti for the same reason that FBI infiltrated the hood and destroyed Black Panther. People in the ghettoes were beginning to rely on panther and trust its authority better than they were the government. In domestic disputes and social disturbaance in the hood they wuld call panther instead police. That's called self-sufficiency and self rule! Haiti, inspite of its many shortcomings was disliked for its self-sufficiency a self rule.

For those who know how to connect dots. . .for those facing forward when their teachings was done. . .for those who were educated forward and are forward thinking. . , go ahead and conclude on where the black man struggle stands.

Interesting Thread.

Pharoh:

Interesting Thread.

Are u sure _ dont u think these anti American people are brainwashed by their Hollywood fantasies

blacksta, define "anti-America".

Negro_Ntns:

blacksta, define "anti-America".

Lol negro you beat me to it.
I was gonna ask him the same thing.

Apparently someone who dont like American movies is Anti America to him.
Someone who agrees with some of America's Foreign Policies and Disagrees With Some is Anti America.
If you dont want to be an anti-America, You just have to agree to everything American.
Thats the only way out of Anti-Amerian List. GOAT.

An anti American in it entirety does mean you hate everything American but rather to the opposition of American policies most probably on foreign land

blacksta:

An anti American in it entirety does mean you hate everything American but rather to the opposition of American policies most probably on foreign land

How old are you Blackie ?

Do you agree with everything American ?
Because the current president doesn't agree with Iraqi War.

Sam Milla:

How old are you Blackie ?

Do you agree with everything American ?
Because the current president doesn't agree with Iraqi War.

Why are you quick to get personal? Why don't just call me whatever you want to call him instead of patronizing him. He already gave an explanation, yet you prefer to be condescending towards him. As the American will say: What gives?

Blackstar is more than capable of holding down his own views, but jeez let us be grown ups when discussing ideas please.

From the post a few individuals like yourself, it is clear to see how you falls into the Anti-american bandwagon. For example, most of your points towards america are not based on facts, but personal view, anecdotal evidence and emotional outburst. Give me a break please.

Debating is not for everybody, if you cannot be civil, then no point coming here to post, and no I am not trying to censor you. I am just trying to say people like me will pick up on these things and you may not like it.

I thought we agreed on something about you and i living with our various ideologies ?
I dont remember what US did bad to me personally that will warrant a hatred for them and their products.
I am a Catholic, therefore i am not a religious extremist or fanatic.
I am Ibo, So i am not a Muslim and i have no premeditated reason to hate the US.
You and the other clones can agree with everything America comes up with but
Obama and I disagree on some of them.

I havent referenced to any of your post since then and i suggest you do the same. agreed ?
And oh, i got personal because sometimes it is not wise to be arguing with a kid.

@blacksta, You haven't responded to my last post.

Sam Milla:

I thought we agreed on something about you and i living with our various ideologies ?
I dont remember what US did bad to me personally that will warrant a hatred for them and their products.
I am a Catholic, therefore i am not a religious extremist or fanatic.
I am Ibo, So i am not a Muslim and i have no premeditated reason to hate the US.
You and the other clones can agree with everything America comes up with but
Obama and I disagree on some of them.

I havent referenced to any of your post since then and i suggest you do the same. agreed ?
And oh, i got personal because sometimes it is not wise to be arguing with a kid.

@blacksta, You haven't responded to my last post.

Who agreed what with you? 

You keep forgetting that this is a public forum and as such, people will challenge what they want and as to how they see fit, provided it is done in a civil manner. However, you seem to forget all these and just go guns blazing. Funny enough, people here can out gun you if necessary, always remember that.

Since you seem to love calling names, here let me be blunt. Engage your brain, be civil, debate logically and stop being a condescending and delusional person.

PS
For the record, I suggest you look up on the meaning of clones. Remember your word usage is very poor, so I suggest you check these things out before you try to get fancy with words.

I meant you were manufactured in a laboratory somewhere in Alaska.
Of course from A human.

Am i close ?

See what I mean by engaging brain and debate logically?

What is the above have to do with anything?

Do you know what Irony means? If you are quick to call people who disagree with you kids, but then result to childish comments, how is that justified? The joke is on you.

Once more.
Lets stay away from each others' posts.

An anti American in it entirety does mean you hate everything American but rather to the opposition of American policies most probably on foreign land

which part of American Constitution prohibits citizens from holding such beliefs if they so choose to?