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Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by oduastates: 10:48pm On Jul 13, 2017
The population census revenue allocation, quota system and the misuse of the federal character system will ensure that Nigeria remains a backward system. When I look at the entire Nigerian political system, I can only 5 persons Who are capable of running anything above a cassava farm

The rest are simply are product of a mediocre system. The population census is fraudulent. The census has ensured that productive regions of excellence are starved of the resources they generate in order to feed backward states and regions.
While transfers are not bad in itself, it is what those transfers are used for and not used for, that makes it pretty annoying.
Northwest and Northeast especially.
This two regions and Abuja have consumed an indiscriminate amount of resources but still yet remain very much beggar regions.
The money is used to keep a elites in relative comfort while the masses suffer for lack of education, health etc.
If the GDP and national income were to be increased to the USA GDP today, Nigeria would still remain backward

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Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by senatordave1(m): 10:50pm On Jul 13, 2017
expensiveguyman:
How can we know d exact number of our population? when in northern Nigeria cows are being counted as human being just to gain upper hand in d politics
Dont we do multiple registrations and thumbprinting down south?
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by joyandfaith: 10:52pm On Jul 13, 2017
senatordave1:

I have been there.several areas are uninhabited.also in several parts of the south are largely uninhabited.i can give you instances.most of the southerners that live in the north admit that they are heavily populated.even patience jonathan said they give births anyhow which points to indirect admittance of a higher population
there is no where in world where deserts will be more populated that tropical rain forest.

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Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by rinzaugustine: 10:56pm On Jul 13, 2017
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by joyandfaith: 10:56pm On Jul 13, 2017
senatordave1:

Dont we do multiple registrations and thumbprinting down south?

there are two forms of voting or census manipulation in Nigeria. field and office. both south and North engage in field manipulation. but in office manipulation, North does it better because of United emirate system. figures can easily be manipulated for North than South in Abuja. last two censuses we're conducted during military regimes lead by northerners.
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by joyandfaith: 10:59pm On Jul 13, 2017
senatordave1:

Dont we do multiple registrations and thumbprinting down south?

stop defending North. northerners do not defend South, they will rather remain silent.

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Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by Codes151(m): 11:06pm On Jul 13, 2017
No need to justify rubbish! There is a level of correctness in cencus... plus or minus!

Tell me we lack the right people and technology to use and not justify this rubbish!!

Bvn, gsm, etc many ways to map and get sth close to being accurate
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by Coldfeets: 11:26pm On Jul 13, 2017
Just wait

After we restructure, everything go clear for all man eye
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by SalamRushdie: 11:31pm On Jul 13, 2017
The BVN registration really exposed Nigeria population to be a fraud if how do you explain a country of 180 million being able to register only 27 million BVNs , even Nigeria claims to be underbanked those ratios don't just add up

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Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by senatordave1(m): 11:34pm On Jul 13, 2017
joyandfaith:

there is no where in world where deserts will be more populated that tropical rain forest.
What about egypt that has almost a 100million people? What about iraq and iran that are in the deserts but heavily populated? Do u know that china and the usa has deserts? Your main premises is bordered on the north being a desert.thats not totally true.many areas of the north are forested and arable

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Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by einsteine(m): 11:36pm On Jul 13, 2017
Exactly. Niger Republic, like the North, has a high birth rate and is bigger than Nigeria. Yet it's population is low: 21 million people.

Arid and sahel regions are unlikely to support high populations even if there is a high birth rate. There would be high infant mortality which evens things out.

It is clear to discerning people that the population of the North is fraudulent.
joyandfaith:

there is no where in world where deserts will be more populated that tropical rain forest.

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Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by senatordave1(m): 11:37pm On Jul 13, 2017
joyandfaith:


stop defending North. northerners do not defend South, they will rather remain silent.
Thats one of our problems in africa.were too biased.that i am a southerner doesnt mean i must always support the fallacies cooked up by my folks.i am very objective and truthful what applies here applies there and vice versa

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Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by senatordave1(m): 11:39pm On Jul 13, 2017
einsteine:



Exactly. Niger Republic, like the North, has a high birth rate and is bigger than Nigeria. Yet it's population is low: 21 million people.

Arid and sahel regions are unlikely to support high populations even if there is a high birth rate. There would be high infant mortality which evens things out.

It is clear to discerning people that the population of the North is fraudulent.
Most of the population of niger is in the southern part which is predominantly hausa.there are very poor compared to nigeria.
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by joyandfaith: 11:40pm On Jul 13, 2017
senatordave1:

What about egypt that has almost a 100million people? What about iraq and iran that are in the deserts but heavily populated? Do u know that china and the usa has deserts? Your main premises is bordered on the north being a desert.thats not totally true.many areas of the north are forested and arable

Middle belt are forested and arable but not north west that claim larger population. Deserts in united states, iraq and iran have lesser population compared to tropical forest areas.
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by senatordave1(m): 11:42pm On Jul 13, 2017
joyandfaith:


there are two forms of voting or census manipulation in Nigeria. field and office. both south and North engage in field manipulation. but in office manipulation, North does it better because of United emirate system. figures can easily be manipulated for North than South in Abuja. last two censuses we're conducted during military regimes lead by northerners.
In summary,you have admitted that the south also inflates and that settles it.the last census was conducted under obasanjo regime,a southerner.many office workers are southerners.by the way,whats united emirates system?
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by senatordave1(m): 11:44pm On Jul 13, 2017
joyandfaith:


Middle belt are forested and arable but not north west that claim larger population. Deserts in united states, iraq and iran have lesser population compared to tropical forest areas.
The whole of iraq and most parts of iran and even turkey are deserts dubai and abu dhabi are deserts.that a place is a desert doesnt mean its inhabited.
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by senatordave1(m): 11:49pm On Jul 13, 2017
joyandfaith:

ibo has high birth rates as well. most ibo are Catholics and are against birth control until recently. North has both high birth and death rates.
Ibos birth rate has dropped to 3 kids per woman.a house of reps member complained of that this year.most ibos are monogamous while most hausas are polygamous.the united nations has stated that islamic countries now have the highest birth rates and islamic worshippers would outnumber christians by 2050.lets take a tour of any town in anambra state and assess their birth rate and population
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by joyandfaith: 12:02am On Jul 14, 2017
senatordave1:

Thats one of our problems in africa.were too biased.that i am a southerner doesnt mean i must always support the fallacies cooked up by my folks.i am very objective and truthful what applies here applies there and vice versa
. I cannot defend lie. I can defend north in other areas, but not this one. See Egypt population concentration, (Egypt lies primarily between latitudes 22° and 32°N, and longitudes 25° and 35°E. At 1,001,450 square kilometres (386,660 sq mi),[106] it is the world's 30th-largest country. Due to the extreme aridity of Egypt's climate, population centres are concentrated along the narrow Nile Valley and Delta, meaning that about 99% of the population uses about 5.5% of the total land area.[107] 98% of Egyptians live on 3% of the territory. Source wikipedia.)

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Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by Nobody: 12:05am On Jul 14, 2017
In every country in the world, population density is always higher at the oceanic and riverine areas than the deserts. It is only in Nigeria that they say Desert has more population than riverine and coastal regions.

Nature has bursted this lie with geography.

We at the South are MUMU except Igbos. It is just the truth.

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Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by joyandfaith: 12:09am On Jul 14, 2017
senatordave1:

Ibos birth rate has dropped to 3 kids per woman.a house of reps member complained of that this year.most ibos are monogamous while most hausas are polygamous.the united nations has stated that islamic countries now have the highest birth rates and islamic worshippers would outnumber christians by 2050.lets take a tour of any town in anambra state and assess their birth rate and population

That applies to islamic nations with good heaalth system-arab nations generally. In north, birth rate and death rate are alarming. For ibo, until recently, 10 years ago , they used to born like pigs. I said most catholics abhor family planning just like muslims.
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by Nobody: 12:22am On Jul 14, 2017
It's easy to get an accurate estimate of the population now. It would only take a statistician to get the data from all the cell phone companies. No census is ever exact, not even a census in the western world. But a good statistician can use the data to get close to the number of people in any area.

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Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by senatordave1(m): 12:28am On Jul 14, 2017
joyandfaith:


That applies to islamic nations with good heaalth system-arab nations generally. In north, birth rate and death rate are alarming. For ibo, until recently, 10 years ago , they used to born like pigs. I said most catholics abhor family planning just like muslims.
Theres infant mortality everywhere but that of the north is higher.but death rate in general everywhere in nigeria is general.most of those catholic families do not have more than four kids.take ihembosi and ozubulu communities in ekwusigo lga in anambra state as quintessence.the united nations reports generalize,it did not narrow it only to developed islamic nations
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by senatordave1(m): 12:41am On Jul 14, 2017
joyandfaith:
. I cannot defend lie. I can defend north in other areas, but not this one. See Egypt population concentration, (Egypt lies primarily between latitudes 22° and 32°N, and longitudes 25° and 35°E. At 1,001,450 square kilometres (386,660 sq mi),[106] it is the world's 30th-largest country. Due to the extreme aridity of Egypt's climate, population centres are concentrated along the narrow Nile Valley and Delta, meaning that about 99% of the population uses about 5.5% of the total land area.[107] 98% of Egyptians live on 3% of the territory. Source wikipedia.)
You cannot defend the truth also.you hate the borth,your biased against them,your previous comments have shown that.egypt has just river nile but the north has several rivers including niger and benue rivers.northern sudan that is a desert is more populous than southern sudan thats forested.the concentration of most of niger's population in the south shows that the north is habitable.my state cross river is the most forested state in nigeria but many areas are uninhabited.even anambra state that has the second highest population density has some empty land between ihiala to ozubulu up till obosi flyover.this is also seen around oyi lga,idemili north to anaocha and anambra east and west lga.ekwusigo claims to have 158,000 people but am afraid there are not up to a 100,000.since you claim the north is the only one that inflates census,do u also claim that they are the only one that inflates figures during national elections?
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by senatordave1(m): 1:05am On Jul 14, 2017
joyandfaith:


stop defending North. northerners do not defend South, they will rather remain silent.
Do you also know that pakistan is largely a desert with a smaller landmass than nigeria but has over 200million people? India also has a high infant mortality rate higher than nigeria's but you know their population.there are deserts in india also.remember india has a higher death rate than china but would soon outnumber china.look around all the states in and south south,the hausas possess the second largest non indigenous population after the ibos and are the largest non indigenous groups in the east outnumbering the yorubas who are geographically closer.
One of the major reasons southerners are against grazing reserves is the fear that the fulanis would bear children at an alarming rate and in a few years outnumber the indigenes and expand and dominate them which supports my claims of their higher population despite their high infant mortality rate.
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by ReubenE(m): 1:08am On Jul 14, 2017
EazyMoh:

That's exactly the difference between North and South!
Virtually all southern states are denser than northern states, but the North is almost four times the size of the south (at least no one can claim they've inflated the land mass as well). So if you multiply the population density with land area, you end up with a higher population in the north.
Who told you the North is almost four times the size of the south? Where did you get the stat? Or you did the demographic studies yourself? I mean no offense.....

What you said is just a political statement among other ones that politicians and their cronies peddle....
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by joyandfaith: 1:59am On Jul 14, 2017
senatordave1:

Do you also know that pakistan is largely a desert with a smaller landmass than nigeria but has over 200million people? India also has a high infant mortality rate higher than nigeria's but you know their population.there are deserts in india also.remember india has a higher death rate than china but would soon outnumber china.look around all the states in and south south,the hausas possess the second largest non indigenous population after the ibos and are the largest non indigenous groups in the east outnumbering the yorubas who are geographically closer.
One of the major reasons southerners are against grazing reserves is the fear that the fulanis would bear children at an alarming rate and in a few years outnumber the indigenes and expand and dominate them which supports my claims of their higher population despite their high infant mortality rate.

Most pakistani lives in fertile area. India has no birth control policy. China has relaxed policy on birth control and india is one of bric nations with emerging economies. Fulani cannot graze in north because the area is desert. Fulanis want to settle in south, not north just to prove that south is more populous that north.

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Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by joyandfaith: 2:01am On Jul 14, 2017
joyandfaith:


Most pakistani lives in fertile area. India has no birth control policy. China has relaxed policy on birth control and india is one of bric nations with emerging economies. Fulani cannot graze in north because the area is desert. Fulanis want to settle in south, not north just to prove that south is more populous that north.
Most immigrants settle in south.
Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by kikake: 2:21am On Jul 14, 2017
davidif:
The north-south divide has remained salient; there is still an unwritten rule that the presidency should alternate between a northerner and a southerner. Allegations that the north has manipulated its way to a majority continue. The censuses of 1973 and 1991 were annulled. In 2006 arguments flared when 9.4m people were counted in the northern state of Kano, compared with just 9m in Lagos, the commercial capital. The Lagos state government conducted its own, technically illegal, census and came up with 17.5m (probably a vast overestimate). A new national census has been repeatedly delayed. It is now scheduled for 2018, but the NPC’s estimate that it will “gulp” 223bn naira ($708m) may mean the count is put off indefinitely.

Even by other methods, Nigeria’s population has proven tricky to pin down. Africapolis, a French-funded research project, used satellite mapping to estimate the population of towns and cities in 2010. It found several cities, mostly in the north, had hundreds of thousands fewer people than the 2006 census counted. But even those data are not entirely trustworthy: it later transpired that the researchers had underestimated urbanisation in the densely populated Niger delta. Until there is an accurate, impartial census it will be impossible to know just how many Nigerians there really are. That means government policy will not be fully anchored in reality and it will not be possible to send resources where they are most needed.

https://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2017/06/economist-explains-6?zid=304&ah=e5690753dc78ce91909083042ad12e30


The densely populated Niger delta area is deprived of development resources because its population is ever under counted.

Again, this Niger delta area produces the oil revenues that stand Nigeria.

For a most recent example, Nigeria built the first-ever standard gauge rail lines costing $1.059 billion in the arid and less populated north, while people in the Niger delta travel in 19th Century canoes and on the worst roads in Nigeria.

From this north, an exodus of southerners was made to the south by Boko Haram violence and unfriendly environment of Sharia criminal laws.


These are the contradictions and injustices in Nigeria that cry to high heavens for remedy.

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Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by EazyMoh(m): 2:38am On Jul 14, 2017
ReubenE:

Who told you the North is almost four times the size of the south? Where did you get the stat? Or you did the demographic studies yourself? I mean no offense.....

What you said is just a political statement among other ones that politicians and their cronies peddle....
Landmass of the north = 786,754sqrkm
Total landmass of Nigeria= 923,768sqrkm
Therefore landmass of Southern Nigeria =>
923,768sqrkm - 786,754sqrkm = 137,032sqrkm
786,754/137,032 = 5.74
So actually the North is even 5.74 times The south in terms of landmass!
Or do you think everyone is like you people who are comfortable telling lies to the whole world.

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Re: Why Nobody Knows The Population Of Nigeria - The Economist by Amberon11: 2:41am On Jul 14, 2017
The entire north is a desert compared to the south.
senatordave1:

What about egypt that has almost a 100million people? What about iraq and iran that are in the deserts but heavily populated? Do u know that china and the usa has deserts? Your main premises is bordered on the north being a desert.thats not totally true.many areas of the north are forested and arable

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