ezego_1:

@cap28
if a "nigerian" and a "malian" applied for the same job in "Nigeria" I can bet my head off that the "nigerian" would have the highest chances of getting the job except if the "Malian" had something more to offer.
Unfortunately the UK is not your country so you need to offer something more.
Why do you think the Indians and the Chinese are propering more than the Blacks in the UK, well my friend their parents realised ages ago that just sending their children to free schools that africans cherish so much in the UK would only keep them confined in their hole and you know what they did they saved every penny and sent these kids to proper private schools, sent them to oxbridge and pronto works like magic they beat the status quo.

I have been promoted over a lot of white colleagues and its not because i feel i deserve it but i have something extra to offer, same poo goes on wherever you may be in this world try and offer something more.

the problem with us blacks is that we love blaming others for our problems but ourselves.

ezego_1:

@cap28
if a "nigerian" and a "malian" applied for the same job in "Nigeria" I can bet my head off that the "nigerian" would have the highest chances of getting the job except if the "Malian" had something more to offer.
Unfortunately the UK is not your country so you need to offer something more.
Why do you think the Indians and the Chinese are propering more than the Blacks in the UK, well my friend their parents realised ages ago that just sending their children to free schools that africans cherish so much in the UK would only keep them confined in their hole and you know what they did they saved every penny and sent these kids to proper private schools, sent them to oxbridge and pronto works like magic they beat the status quo.

I have been promoted over a lot of white colleagues and its not because i feel i deserve it but i have something extra to offer, same poo goes on wherever you may be in this world try and offer something more.

the problem with us blacks is that we love blaming others for our problems but ourselves.

cap28:

well lucky you, i on the other hand experience it quite frequently, i have a degree in law plus over 5 years work experience in various areas of law and i compete for jobs in a fast shrinking job market with many whites who have less experience but who are offered the best jobs over and above blacks who are better qualified.  white south africans, new zealanders and australians (despite not having long term work permits) are all offered the best jobs over black british people (and im not talking black people with resident permits but blacks who were born in this country like myself) if a british citizen who was born in this country is being discriminated against simply because of the colour of their skin then you know that there is no hope for blacks in this country.

pafun:

For those who have again continued to sing the tune - let nigeria get better if they want us to come back , it is quite obvious that you possess basic cognitive skills and you deserve whatever has happened to bring you to this sorry pass and the eventual outcome of you misguided adventure . If you are doing well wherever you are for God's sake stay there . Nigeria has enough problems and could do without more negative thinkers especially those who  also excel at buffoonery. But if your condition has turned out to be even more pathetic than it was before you left Nigeria and you are joining all other clowns in that sing song , then you definitely are the greatest Arrow in the world and you will do well to find a circus to take you with them on exhibition.

No country owes anyone a living. Nigeria does not owe you or me a living - we must make a living individually by ourselves in the way we find fit. We all have different skills and aptitude and must find our level wherever we are. The only thing that Nigeria owes all of us is an "environment" which we must assist to create because this environment includes every one of us living in the country.

UK also owes none of you a living .Heck even the citizens are not under such idiotic impression .If you are there under the premises that "they assisted the politicians to steal our money and we are here to get it back and spend it' , I hope they send you to prison before they finally kick you out for good like the vermin you are.

silentc:

Pafun, your tone and choice of words are not necessary in any way (highlighted in black above). You can make a point without using words that are abusive. You are entitled to your opinions in a free and open forum without being abusive. This is a debate, not a slanging match. If anyone else has abused you, I would suggest you be the bigger man and ignore it.


Your point of view will be lost to who ever is reading your opinions as it comes shrouded in a bed of insults.

Wallie:

I don’t mean to call you out Cap28 but have you ever considered that there might be other factors involved in not keeping you on? Do you know that a new employee doing substantive work usually takes about 5 months or longer to get trained? Why would a profit seeking company squander 5 months of pay?

I find it difficult to understand how a business can justify terminating an employee that provides quality work in favor of another employee with unknown work ethic.

Could it be that your performance is not up to par? What kind of law do you practice? I ask because your writings/posts seems carefree and that’s just putting it politely. Could your posts provide a glimpse into your work product?

Like you, I went to college, grad school and law school here but I won’t delude myself saying some whites are not better than me. If you think you’re the best, what was your class rank in law school? Is it not conceivable that people who out-rank you in class will have a higher probability of getting the same job, if everything else was equal?

With regards to the racism issue, it is true that it still exists; however, black people are quick to point to racism even when they can’t compete based on merit. People claim to have college degrees, but how well did they do while in college? Is the degree of comparable standard with that of foreign institutions? Can they write a grammatically correct coherent substantive memo?

Blacks came along way and having an accent definitely compounds the problem. But an African that can compete with their white counterpart on every measurable merit will always find a befitting job even if some doors get slammed in his face due to racism.

President Obama is a perfect example of racism not being able to hold a willing qualified Black person down.

noniwealth:

This is what i say on one of pafuns thread "UGLYBRITAIN it was posted by LUCABRASIalready a 3 bedroom house in london is cheaper than a 3 bedroom house in agege and you defending uk
and the prices are still sliding down,even wema bank,union bank,gt e.t.c are stronger financially than northern rock,halifax,royal bank of scotland
and the nigerian stock exchange is doing miles better than the london stockwhich has gone belly up
on a last note you are safer in oshodi,isale eko,ajegunle at 12 midnite than hackney o, be warned even the labour mp said she wouldnt try it herself smart woman
My question is where are these banks now and talking bout the shares hmmm 9ja make u no qeunch and be wiped out oh cos the rate of deterioration in 9ja can be very funny

cap28:


Wallie let me repeat the statement that i made in my earlier post - I HAVE OVER FIVE YEARS PRACTICAL LEGAL EXPERIENCE -

I am not some greehorn fresh out of law school okay - please learn to read and understand sentences before you respond.

cap28:

the organisation that i currently work for invested nothing in training me , as a matter of fact i came in with useful experience which they benefited from as i was responsible for training  other junior members of the team.

cap28:

can't you? then you obviously havent heard of the phrase  workplace discrimination.

do you work in an office or are you still serving burgers and fries in mcdonalds?

cap28:

nice try - trust me if i couldnt do the job, i would never have been given the opportunity to get anywhere near a govt organisation let alone obtain over 5 years experience in areas ranging from commercial property, town planning and commercial contracts.  Wallie i know what your problem is its what nigeria's succinctly refer to as "bad belle" people like you hate to see others doing better than them and like crabs in a barrel love nothing better than to tear others down. 

cap28:

you state that my writings and posts are carefree - you've completely lost me there as i have no idea what you are wittering on about, perhaps you are wondering why i do not express myself using bogus, unintelligible phrases and employing the use of ungrammatical english in order to impress the likes of you.  i dont know what sort of law school you attended but my tutors always impressed upon on us the need for succinctness and brevity.  i understand that many nigerians love nothing better than expressing themselves using impenetrable legalese which serves no useful purpose other than to confuse and distort the true meaning of what they are trying to get across to their audience.

cap28:

i think it is unbelievably presumptuous of you to make the above statement, you know nothing about me and for all you know i may have acquired my entire education in nigeria. 

cap28:

just because you have low self esteem and automatically assume that whites are more intelligent than yourself does not mean that i should adopt the same philosophy.  I speak from first hand experience - many nigerians are just as good if not more capable than their white counterparts irrespective of where they study , the american educational system is known for being second rate havent you heard that 40 million US citizens are functional illiterates who can't read or write above fourth grade level?

http://www.bluemassgroup.com/diary/18679/michael-moore-on-citizens-united

cap28:

why does reading this sound as if its coming out of the mouth of some bigoted red neck from Texas and not a full grown nigerian man who should know better.  please see my comments above about the american educational system. 
you are so hung up on this belief that white is always right  that you can't see the wood for the trees.  Did your country (america) not have a grade C president who ignorantly bragged about his mediocrity?

cap28:

now i know for sure that you feel inferior to whites, whats wrong with having an accent, does arnold schwarzennegger not have an accent - did that derail his political career?
as long as you speak grammatical and intelligible english why should having an accent be a hindrance. Listen pal your arguments are pathetic and they dont stack up - the issue is not about accent - its about race okay, if accents havent hindered the success of eastern europeans, japanese and chinese people why should they hinder blacks. 

cap28:

there you go again getting all delusional on me.  Obama is not your run of the mill black person - first of all he did not have the kind of upbringing that many blacks in america have, he was raised mainly by whites and therefore inculcated a white perspective and outlook, he also attended elite institutions  from primary level right up to post graduate level.  do you know of many blacks who have this sort of background?  it was no coincidence that he was groomed and selected for the position that he currently occupies.  do you think some ordinary black guy who attended state funded institutions would ever get anywhere near a senate seat let alone the presidency.  Not only was Obama's academic and personal background crucial to his selection but even the way he looked - whites like blacks who are not too black (if you catch my drift) i suggest you google alan keyes another aspiring black candidate who was deemed unsuitable by the powers that be for the simple reason that he came across as too african american in appearance.

Wallie:

Understood. You have five years of legal experience but doing what exactly? Was your 5-year experience directly related to what you were hired for? It is possible to have years of experience as a paralegal (legal secretary) but that experience doesn't necessary mean you will have the wherewithal to fly solo.

Interesting. Every job is unique with its own peculiarity and nuances. I sure would hope that you would have some sort of experience that will benefit them.

Quite contrary Cap28; It is possible to get hired on a padded resume and getting fired later on for not meeting the “requirements” of the job. The five years of experience you keep referring to, was that from doing substantive work or doing document review? How many contracts have you actually written on your own?

The only bad belle I have was from eating asaro earlier. Without bragging, it is kind of hard for me to pull people down because it is kinda lonely up here. I have nothing against you Cap28, I don’t even know you; all I’m saying is that blaming others for your inadequacies will not get you far in life.

I take this as a compliment! Unlike the British, Americans don’t use big words to communicate. I guess I must still have some Naija education left in me. I feel you on the legalese stuff though, I sometimes write to confuse the other party when the facts or the law are not on my side☺

Low self esteem? I guess you can call it that, as long as it means not deluding myself. Why is it hard for you to accept that some people are better than you and that they may be white? If you are as intelligent as you claim, you won’t be crying racism. The whites should be the ones complaining of being legally exploited by an African.

Could the American educational system be better? Sure. But that doesn’t mean it is not one of the best in the world. Below are the list of the top 200 universities in the world and the list of Nobel price winners by country. Do you have any other measuring stick?

http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-universities/2009/10/20/worlds-best-universities-top-200

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country

Obama groomed and selected? Ok. Alan Keyes, are you kidding me? I bet you are one of those that choose their candidates based on race?

Going to college is more than just about reading your books and getting good grades, it is about learning how to think independently based on information available to you.

I sincerely apologize for singling you out in a public forum and forcing you to defend yourself. My apologies!

Wallie:

Going to college is more than just about reading your books and getting good grades, it is about learning how to think independently based on information available to you.

I sincerely apologize for singling you out in a public forum and forcing you to defend yourself. My apologies!

janykute:

nairaland don turn to law court,this learned gentlemen sef.

cap28:

, if you could only stop watching cnn, fox and sky news maybe you might be able to learn something.

cap28:

open your eyes to the real world. 

ogajim:

I don't know what to say, I visit UK and "see some things that makes me go hhhhmmmmm"

Some of those guys are really living off their wives and might be lazy [/b]to some extent because 2 years of no employment is enough to train for a whole new career.

There is some truth to both sides is my two cents (free) on this.

pafun:

@cap28
My last year working in UK and in the City was in an office where I was the only black person. The Nigerian cleaners who came to do their work after dusk always regarded me with amazement as I had this habit of working late most days - like what the hell is a Nigerian doing here ?. From my colleagues at work , most of whom have been in the firm more than 10 years all I could feel was resentment everyday , and if I wasn't so good at what I did I am sure wouldn't have lasted 2 weeks. I guess this was one of the reasons that made me finally return home - the realisation that these arseholes would never take me as their equal even though every day I proved myself better than them in every way. This is England - very unpredictable, very treacherous.

manny4life:


No offense, I'm confused I'm certainly not getting where your resentment came from. I mean was it from the Nigerian cleaners, or your co-workers whom you worked with for abt 10 years?