Definition: The worldwide Christian society of people who actively bear witness regarding Jehovah God and his purposes affecting mankind. They base their beliefs solely on the Bible.

What beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses set them apart as different from other religions?

(1) Bible: Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the entire Bible is the inspired Word of God, and instead of adhering to a creed based on human tradition, they hold to the Bible as the standard for all their beliefs.

(2) God: They worship Jehovah as the only true God and freely speak to others about him and his loving purposes toward mankind. Anyone who publicly witnesses about Jehovah is usually identified as belonging to the one group—“Jehovah’s Witnesses.”

(3) Jesus Christ: They believe, not that Jesus Christ is part of a Trinity, but that, as the Bible says, he is the Son of God, the first of God’s creations; that he had a prehuman existence and that his life was transferred from heaven to the womb of a virgin, Mary; that his perfect human life laid down in sacrifice makes possible salvation to eternal life for those who exercise faith; that Christ is actively ruling as King, with God-given authority over all the earth since 1914.

KunleOshob:


The verse below is what the bible defines as true religion and NOT any denomination or sect

and any "church" that is not actively abiding by the teaching in that verse is NOT practising true religion.

James 1:27:
Pure & genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans & widows in their distress

and refusing to let the world corrupt you.

James 1:27 (NIVUK):
James 1:27 (NIVUK)

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:

to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

@bobbyfa i realy appreciate the fact that u are very conscious of your spirituality and have gone far to even find a true religion i appreciat u. but they is this one tin i want to ask u if u have gone tro reseach dis much.would u agree dat apart from the witnesses no other religious body both hear and abroad has achualy come out to tell the world the truth as much as the witness have.

would u agree too dat the witness are only humans and not god himself do u also agree that apart from this prophecies that failed th e witnesse have brought out truths that have come to pass or dat is now fufiling?

let me stop hear now u tell me if u say the witnesse are false prophets i will like to knw if u have dicovered some beter truths somewere and if yes please tell me about it.

Bobbyaf:

@ dwonder

Jehovah’s Witnesses

That is debatable.

Ok let us discuss them one by one. I hope you're prepared to be honest in your rejoinders.

There have been many instances when JW's have failed to utilize God's words to prove their teachings. The JW's failed prophesies are proof of that reality. The organization refers to itself as a prophet, yet has changed several of its teachings when it was discovered that the events didn't match up with the scriptures, as well as the predictions.

Another example is the teaching that speaks about the invisible coming of Jesus in 1914, when in truth and in fact Jesus as well as the apostles spoke of a literal return. In addition to that Jesus Himself said that no man knows the time of His second coming. He also pointed out that He and His angels would be coming in power and great glory and that the whole world would be made aware of such a return.

Matthew 24:30, 31 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.  31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Now tell where in this text does it speak of invisibility? Although the Greek word parousia also means presence, its most pronounced meaning is coming. In fact when Paul uses the word he uses it to speak of moving from one location to another. The angels in addressing the disciples at the Lord's ascension explicitly said that the Lord would come in like manner when He descends again the 2nd time. In other words He will be visible to all.

There are others I will point out later after your response.


I am a witness of Jehovah, but not a Jehovah's Witness. I hope you see the point I am making. By singling out Jehovah as the only true God, you're saying that Jesus isn't true. Listen to the problem you face. You all teach that Jesus is a god, based on the rendition of the New World translation. In other words Jehovah is God, and His Son who is a god isn't true.  If the Son isn't true, then what does that make Him out to be? Your guess is as good as mine.

You refer to Jesus as the first of God's creation to suggest that God created Jesus. Here's your problem. How could Jesus be creature and Creator all at once? Why would God the Father go against His own words, and attribute God-like authority to one of His creatures when He Himself says that He doesn't share any of His glory with any of His creatures?

According to John it was Jesus the logos who ", made all things"

Listen to Isaiah 42:8, "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another"

Obviously, the prophet no doubt was referring to God not sharing His glory with any of His creation, in the sense of not allowing any of His creation to attribute to themselves what rightfully belongs to Him. Hence why would God treat Jesus with partiality if he was merely one of His creation? But listen to Paul as He clarifies the whole matter.

Phil. 2:6, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God, "

So there has to be a context in which Paul refers to Jesus as being the first-born of God's creation. That should not be limited, because of a failure to understand scriptures, to Jesus being the first to be created by God, and then endowing him with special powers. If that were the case then the whole plan of salvation would be fraudulent and suspicious. The reality is that only God could have died in the sinner's place, and not a creature. That is why the angel said that "He shall be called Emanuel", which being interpreted means, "God is with us" Jesus Christ is fully God. In fact I will push the envelope a little further. I will hasten to say that the prophet Isaiah when he spoke about The LORD, he was referring to Jesus. In reality Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead in body. It was He who manifested Himself before and among Israel, and my reason for concluding this is that from the very foundation of the plan to redeem fallen man, it was Jesus who decided to take on the role of Heaven's representative. It was He who delivered the law; it was He who delivered the Hebrew people; it was He who appeared to Abraham, and the patriarchs of old, including Moses at the burning bush.

I could go on but I will wait for your response.

Bobbyaf I saw a posting on the Trinity. Why would the whole plan of salvation be fraudulent and suspicious? Would you explain yourself, please.

*Doesn’t Rev 3:14 talks about Jesus being the first created by God? So if he was created how can he be God? – Colossians 1:15

*Jesus was obedient in heaven and sent by de Father – John 8:42; 12:49

*Obedient in earth(obedient to who?) and his father is greater – John 14:28; 5:19; Heb 5:8

*God is the Head - 1 Cor 11:3; John 20:17; Rev 1:6

*2 Corinthians 4:4 says “The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.” By ‘god of this age’ he means Satan, don’t u agree? So if Satan is called a God, isn’t Jesus greater than him? the fact that Jesus is called in the Bible a god doesn’t mean anything because Satan is also called a God. Jesus is an image of Jehovah not the almighty himself.

*Sure Jesus said him and the father where one but he also explained in which way John 17:21-23 says: “21 I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me. 22 “I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one. 23 I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me.” Was Jesus really praying for his disciples to become, literally, one person?

WHILE on earth, Jesus was a human, although a perfect one because it was God who transferred the life-force of Jesus to the womb of Mary. (Matthew 1:18-25) But that is not how he began. He himself declared that he had "descended from heaven." (John 3:13) So it was only natural that he would later say to his followers: "What if you should see the Son of man [Jesus] ascend to where he was before?"—John 6:62, NJB.

Thus, Jesus had an existence in heaven before coming to the earth. But was it as one of the persons in an almighty, eternal triune Godhead? No, for the Bible plainly states that in his prehuman existence, Jesus was a created spirit being, just as angels were spirit beings created by God. Neither the angels nor Jesus had existed before their creation.

Having been created by God, Jesus is in a secondary position in time, power, and knowledge

Jesus, in his prehuman existence, was "the first-born of all creation." (Colossians 1:15, NJB) He was "the beginning of God's creation." (Revelation 3:14, RS, Catholic edition). "Beginning" [Greek, ar·khe'] cannot rightly be interpreted to mean that Jesus was the 'beginner' of God's creation. In his Bible writings, John uses various forms of the Greek word ar·khe' more than 20 times, and these always have the common meaning of "beginning." Yes, Jesus was created by God as the beginning of God's invisible creations.

Bobbyaf:



What does having ascended from heaven have to do with He being God? Its either He is God or He is not. Your New World Translation says He is a god. So according to you there are two gods. Let us take for granted that the Father is the "only true God" where does that leave Jesus in His pre-existent form, before he became human? Does it make Him an inferior god? And this is where your problem lies. The prophet Isaiah said that the Lord will not share His glory with another - read "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, " Isaiah 42:8

Now let us read Revelation 5:11,12  "And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing."

Read in John 17:5 as Jesus prays in the garden using the following words, "5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

Note the words in bold. In other words while Jesus was praying in the garden His mind reflected on his pre-existence, and the glory He shared with His Father because they both shared the same attributes. Paul says Jesus is the express image of His Father. Paul also in the letter to the Hebrews wrote as follows, [b]Heb. 1:6 "And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."[/b]

A creature being worshiped? God breaking His own rule? So even when Jesus was on earth as a human the angels worshiped Him. I could go on with more scriptures, but that will suffice it for now.

Prove that true with scriptural passages, and I will rest my case. 

Thats only an opinion.


Beginning of Creation, Ndipe?


So how do you explain John 1 that explicitly says that " all things wee made by Him" the Word? What would Paul have gained by introducing the point of Jesus having been created by His Father? Anyone who reads and understands that chapter in Colossians will readily see that Paul was addressing Jesus's pre-eminence among all creation. Let me explain:

Paul ties in the word first-born in the mix. Was Jesus born first among creation? When does the word "born" becomes created? You cannot associate Jesus being first-born among all creation with Jesus being created among all creation. Paul isn't stressing the creation of Jesus, but rather that He is first-born among all creation. That point needs to rest in your cranium.

Secondly why does Paul refer to Jesus as ", the firstborn from the dead, "? Notice Paul uses the very same expression about the resurrection of Jesus. So what does the expression "first-born actually means? It means the pre-emminent one. It means the one who carries the most importance.

Now Jesus in both cases was neither the first to be born, or the first to be resurrected literally, but His birth, and resurrection take priority. They would be considered the most important events among the scheme of things. That is why at both occasions angels and men worshiped.

This expression first-born was taken out of the OT. Every first-born male had the birth of right. It was thought then that any first-born male child could have become the Messiah. That was the hope. Hence the importance of the phrase as used by Paul to make a point about Jesus' being seen as the priority. All focus should be on the Lord Jesus Christ in the context in which Paul addressed the Christians at Colosse.

It is believed that Paul wrote these letters from prison to defend Christ against the heretic teachings that started to infiltrate the brethren. part of that defense was to highlight the pre-emminence of Jesus Christ.

So in essence none of the apostles had any reason for teaching that Jesus was a creature, much less one that would cast a spell on God to give Him so much privilege.

Fantastic post i must say,
Everytime I read your post i really get confused. I can't point out what you really want to say.

Are you saying that Jesus is the Almighty God or he his equal to God or What?

Just like you wrote earlier you just can't quote a portion of the bible to support your views while you leave out other portions. the bible is a whole book with many parts collaborating the other, many parts can't be understood until the global theme of the bible is considered.

I sincerely do not intend to change your views on this forum, I dare not. however I will try to point out a couple of things.

One read the book of Hebrews from Chapter 1. Here are a couple of other bible translations available.


To the Hebrews

1 God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. 3 He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. 4 So he has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.

5 For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father”? And again: “I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son”? 6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him.”

7 Also, with reference to the angels he says: “And he makes his angels spirits, and his public servants a flame of fire.” 8 But with reference to the Son: “God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with [the] oil of exultation more than your partners.” 10 And: “You at [the] beginning, O Lord, laid the foundations of the earth itself, and the heavens are [the] works of your hands. 11 They themselves will perish, but you yourself are to remain continually; and just like an outer garment they will all grow old, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as an outer garment; and they will be changed, but you are the same, and your years will never run out.”

13 But with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said: “Sit at my right hand, until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet”? 14 Are they not all spirits for public service, sent forth to minister for those who are going to inherit salvation?

2 That is why it is necessary for us to pay more than the usual attention to the things heard by us, that we may never drift away. 2 For if the word spoken through angels proved to be firm, and every transgression and disobedient act received a retribution in harmony with justice; 3 how shall we escape if we have neglected a salvation of such greatness in that it began to be spoken through [our] Lord and was verified for us by those who heard him, 4 while God joined in bearing witness with signs as well as portents and various powerful works and with distributions of holy spirit according to his will?

5 For it is not to angels that he has subjected the inhabited earth to come, about which we are speaking. 6 But a certain witness has given proof somewhere, saying: “What is man that you keep him in mind, or [the] son of man that you take care of him? 7 You made him a little lower than angels; with glory and honor you crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands. 8 All things you subjected under his feet.” For in that he subjected all things to him [God] left nothing that is not subject to him. Now, though, we do not yet see all things in subjection to him; 9 but we behold Jesus, who has been made a little lower than angels, crowned with glory and honor for having suffered death, that he by God’s undeserved kindness might taste death for every [man].

10 For it was fitting for the one for whose sake all things are and through whom all things are, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the Chief Agent of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both he who is sanctifying and those who are being sanctified all [stem] from one, and for this cause he is not ashamed to call them “brothers,” 12 as he says: “I will declare your name to my brothers; in the middle of [the] congregation I will praise you with song.” 13 And again: “I will have my trust in him.” And again: “Look! I and the young children, whom Jehovah gave me.”

14 Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed. 17 Consequently he was obliged to become like his “brothers” in all respects, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, in order to offer propitiatory sacrifice for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself has suffered when being put to the test, he is able to come to the aid of those who are being put to the test.





The Letter to the Hebrews: a commentary & meditation

"In many and various ways God spoke, but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son"
Scripture: Hebrews 1:1 - 2:4

1:1 In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets; 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He reflects the glory of God and bears the very stamp of his nature, upholding the universe by his word of power. When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has obtained is more excellent than theirs.

5 For to what angel did God ever say, "Thou art my Son, today I have begotten thee"? Or again, "I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son"? 6 And again, when he brings the first-born into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him." 7 Of the angels he says, "Who makes his angels winds, and his servants flames of fire."

8 But of the Son he says, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God, thy God, has anointed thee with the oil of gladness beyond thy comrades."

10 And, "Thou, Lord, didst found the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of thy hands; 11 they will perish, but thou remainest; they will all grow old like a garment, 12 like a mantle thou wilt roll them up, and they will be changed. But thou art the same, and thy years will never end."

13 But to what angel has he ever said, "Sit at my right hand, till I make thy enemies a stool for thy feet"? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to serve, for the sake of those who are to obtain salvation?

2:1 Therefore we must pay the closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it. 2 For if the message declared by angels was valid and every transgression or disobedience received a just retribution, 3 how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? It was declared at first by the Lord, and it was attested to us by those who heard him, 4 while God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his own will.


Hebrews, chapter 1


Compare with Revised Standard Version: Hebr.01


1: God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2: Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3: Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4: Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5: For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6: And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7: And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8: But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O.



Do Angels Worship Jesus?

CERTAIN translations of Hebrews 1:6 say: “Let all the angels of God worship him [Jesus].” (King James Version; The Jerusalem Bible) The apostle Paul evidently quoted the Septuagint, which says at Psalm 97:7: “Worship Him [God] all ye His angels.”—C. Thomson.

The Greek word pro‧sky‧ne′o, rendered “worship” at Hebrews 1:6, is used at Psalm 97:7 in the Septuagint for a Hebrew term, sha‧chah′, meaning “to bow down.” This can be an acceptable act of respect for humans. (Genesis 23:7; 1 Samuel 24:8; 2 Kings 2:15) Or it can relate to worship of the true God or that wrongly directed to false gods.—Exodus 23:24; 24:1; 34:14; Deuteronomy 8:19.

Usually pro‧sky‧ne′o given to Jesus corresponds with obeisance to kings and others.

Compare Matthew 2:2 and 8
After Jesus had been born in Beth′le‧hem of Ju‧de′a in the days of Herod the king, look! astrologers from eastern parts came to Jerusalem, 2 saying: “Where is the one born king of the Jews? For we saw his star [when we were] in the east, and we have come to do him obeisance.”

8 and, when sending them to Beth′le‧hem, he said: “Go make a careful search for the young child, and when YOU have found it report back to me, that I too may go and do it obeisance.

(compare again 8:2; 9:18; 15:25; 20:20 with 1 Samuel 25:23, 24; 2 Samuel 14:4-7; 1 Kings 1:16; 2 Kings 4:36, 37.) Often it is clear that obeisance is rendered to Jesus not as God but as “God’s Son” or the Messianic “Son of man.”—Matthew 14:32, 33; Luke 24:50-52; John 9:35, 38.

Hebrews 1:6 relates to Jesus’ position under God. (Philippians 2:9-11; 9 For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.)

Here some versions render pro‧sky‧ne′o “pay . . . homage” (The New English Bible), “do obeisance to” (New World Translation), or “bow before” (An American Translation). If one prefers the rendering “worship,” such worship is relative, for Jesus told Satan: “It is Jehovah your God you must worship [form of pro‧sky‧ne′o], and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.”—Matthew 4:8-10.

Though Psalm 97:7, which speaks about worshiping God, was applied to Christ at Hebrews 1:6, Paul had shown that the resurrected Jesus is “the reflection of [God’s] glory and the exact representation of his very being.” (Hebrews 1:1-3) So any “worship” the angels give God’s Son is relative and is directed through him to Jehovah.



In all sincerety Jesus has been given a position that no other person can attain, he has become KING of God's Kingdom that though doesn't make him equal with God.

Perrito4u:

AT MATTHEW 4:1, Jesus is spoken of as being "tempted by the Devil." After showing Jesus "all the kingdoms of the world and their glory," Satan said: "All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me." (Matthew 4:8, 9) Satan was trying to cause Jesus to be disloyal to God.

But what test of loyalty would that be if Jesus were God? Could God rebel against himself? No, but angels and humans could rebel against God and did. The temptation of Jesus would make sense only if he was, not God, but a separate individual who had his own free will, one who could have been disloyal had he chosen to be, such as an angel or a human.

On the other hand, it is unimaginable that God could sin and be disloyal to himself. "Perfect is his activity . . . A God of faithfulness, . . . righteous and upright is he." (Deuteronomy 32:4) So if Jesus had been God, he could not have been tempted.—James 1:13.

Not being God, Jesus could have been disloyal. But he remained faithful, saying: "Go away, Satan! For it is written, 'It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.'"—Matthew 4:10.