oluebubeneo:
does infinity increase infinitely ?

JackBizzle:
Does God get lonely? I mean, being the most powerful being with no one like you seems......lonely. You have no mates, no one that really understands your unlimited power.

No kidding when they say "its lonely at the top"

butterflyl1on:


This is what I call infinity.

The size it can potentially become IT CAN ALSO BE. In other words, infinity does not need to become anything which it already is.

Saying can infinity increase (infinitely) is to look for a starting point for this increase. That starting point can only be related to man but to God who holds no known beginning (starting point) then where and how can you begin to talk about an increased infinity?

In conclusion, infinity from Gods perspective is not known for an increase but known for an existing existence without a beginning and without an end. Existing ad infinitum.

bloodofthelamb:


God is never lonely, for He has Christ Jesus and the Holy spirit and also me.

butterflyl1on:


This is what I call infinity.

The size it can potentially become IT CAN ALSO BE. In other words, infinity does not need to become anything which it already is.

Saying can infinity increase (infinitely) is to look for a starting point for this increase. That starting point can only be related to man but to God who holds no known beginning (starting point) then where and how can you begin to talk about an increased infinity?

In conclusion, infinity from Gods perspective is not known for an increase but known for an existing existence without a beginning and without an end. Existing ad infinitum.

JackBizzle:



Oga. Stop pulling out things from your behind. Try to use logic.

Infinity has no value. It can never be measured because it keeps on going. The basic idea of infinity comes from numbers.

Pick anything that is said to be infinite and it is a number/mathematical problem of measurement.

Size of the universe? Infinite measurement of billions of miles that could keep on increasing.
Earliest point in time? Infinite measurement of years in the past that keeps on going.
Largest number? Infinite size of numbers that keeps on increasing on the number-line


If something is infinite, it keeps on increasing/decreasing in some value or quantity forever. That is a basic and logical illustration of infinity that even children can understand.

So, you claiming that infinity means something else for your God is just a pack of lies and bullshite

This is what I call infinity.

The size it can potentially become IT CAN ALSO BE. In other words, infinity does not need to become anything which it already is.

Saying can infinity increase (infinitely) is to look for a starting point for this increase. That starting point can only be related to man but to God who holds no known beginning (starting point) then where and how can you begin to talk about an increased infinity?

In conclusion, infinity from Gods perspective is not known for an increase but known for an existing existence without a beginning and without an end. Existing ad infinitum.

oluebubeneo:
Thanks for the enlightenment. I asked cuz you and Jackbizzle were making valid points though different. You mentioned, having no end right? When something ends, its like progression stops. For something that has no end means it progresses, it continues without ever stopping. Infinity increasing infinitely might not be exactly wrong.

butterflyl1on:



All you just wrote (which is crap by the way) shows that as always you never ever ever read to understand before responding so let me save myself much typing and simply repost my last comment and highlight what even a little kid would have seen but you missed.

oluebubeneo:
Thanks for the enlightenment. I asked cuz you and Jackbizzle were making valid points though different. You mentioned, having no end right? When something ends, its like progression stops. For something that has no end means it progresses, it continues without ever stopping. Infinity increasing infinitely might not be exactly wrong.

oluebubeneo:
Thanks for the enlightenment. I asked cuz you and Jackbizzle were making valid points though different. You mentioned, having no end right? When something ends, its like progression stops. For something that has no end means it progresses, it continues without ever stopping. Infinity increasing infinitely might not be exactly wrong.

butterflyl1on:


Progression is only attributable from the point of first knowing a starting point.

NOTE the thread talks about God whose starting point is UNKNOWN and whose description declares him as EVERLASTING or EXISTING AD INFINITUM ( THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER)

God is infinity itself and does not need to increase in any form as your question depicted. Time as we know it is an extract from what already was. It was extracted from a time beyond it which cannot be measured.

For something that has NO BEGINNING AND NO END it means it is a constant and simply is what it is and does not try to become something else be it via increase, age, strength, wisdom, knowledge, etc. It is simply ALL AND IN ALL.

butterflyl1on:


Progression is only attributable from the point of first knowing a starting point.

NOTE the thread talks about God whose starting point is UNKNOWN and whose description declares him as EVERLASTING or EXISTING AD INFINITUM ( THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER)

God is infinity itself and does not need to increase in any form as your question depicted. Time as we know it is an extract from what already was. It was extracted from a time beyond it which cannot be measured.

For something that has NO BEGINNING AND NO END it means it is a constant and simply is what it is and does not try to become something else be it via increase, age, strength, wisdom, knowledge, etc. It is simply ALL AND IN ALL.

butterflyl1on:


Progression is only attributable from the point of first knowing a starting point.

NOTE the thread talks about God whose starting point is UNKNOWN and whose description declares him as EVERLASTING or EXISTING AD INFINITUM ( THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER)

God is infinity itself and does not need to increase in any form as your question depicted. Time as we know it is an extract from what already was. It was extracted from a time beyond it which cannot be measured.

For something that has NO BEGINNING AND NO END it means it is a constant and simply is what it is and does not try to become something else be it via increase, age, strength, wisdom, knowledge, etc. It is simply ALL AND IN ALL.

butterflyl1on:


Progression is only attributable from the point of first knowing a starting point.

NOTE the thread talks about God whose starting point is UNKNOWN and whose description declares him as EVERLASTING or EXISTING AD INFINITUM ( THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER)

God is infinity itself and does not need to increase in any form as your question depicted. Time as we know it is an extract from what already was. It was extracted from a time beyond it which cannot be measured.

For something that has NO BEGINNING AND NO END it means it is a constant and simply is what it is and does not try to become something else be it via increase, age, strength, wisdom, knowledge, etc. It is simply ALL AND IN ALL.

oluebubeneo:
OK... I get. Just explaining infinity as I know it shaa. . . .-3,-2,-1,0,1,2,3. . .whatever that means to you.

butterflyl1on:



Good you got it real quick unlike someone else who has been arguing ceaselessly over something too simple to miss.

Consider this line below

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If you go from left to right it actually began from somewhere and if you go from right to left it also began from somewhere. This is what we see and perceive as humans. So with this we can say that this line can be drawn to infinity FROM A STARTING POINT BACKWARD OR FORWARD.

But God has NO KNOWN STARTING POINT be it forward or backward as He is described.

JackBizzle:


Is that a holy orgy?

GAY!

ZandhaZaraZ:
You're saying nonsense. Are angels not SPIRITS? Are you saying their powers are also boundless and without constraint, and can't be measured, making them equal to God? Being a spirit doesn't automatically imply immeasurable power. That statement just now is bullshiit.

Haven said that, I think there's something you're not getting. I just told you that many people, including Christians, not only JackBizzle, consider God's infinite power in terms of QUANTITIES, and if it is considered in such terms, there will ALWAYS BE ROOM for increasing it.

You simply needed to have told him that he's got the wrong idea. That your God is not infinite in such terms. It's not compulsory that he defines the infinity as "boundless", since that is not the only possible definition of infinity, and having a contrary definition, as many believers do, doesn't make him "dumb".

I think this shouldn't be difficult to comprehend.

ZandhaZaraZ:


You're so remarkably dumb I can't help calling you a BLOCKHEAD.

ZandhaZaraZ:

What you've been doing "EVER SINCE" is telling him that only your own definition of infinity is correct.

KingEbukasBlog:


Yahweh is a religious conception of God and if you don't agree the conception like the deists and other theists do , it does not mean God does not exist . If you've paid attention closely , lately I don't the discuss the bible with atheists . So if you think I'm gona discuss the bible with you then forget it . Its totally a waste of time .

Akdegreat:


I do not view the ability of an omnipotent entity to change in some respect as a logical impossibility, and that mustn't always go in discordance with other attributes of his.

An immaterial God may choose to change form and manifest materially for a good purpose.

JackBizzle:



How daft.

How can you say that numbers or a progression of numbers have a starting point?

It would be like having an endless length of rope and claiming that a particular point is the starting point (from right to left or left to right).

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God has no known starting point abi? Just like all other non-existent abstract infinite concepts like numbers, time etc.

But then, you engage in special pleading that unlike other infinite concepts, God's value cannot increase infinitely. Interesting

budaatum:

Oops. I think you're getting it already.


EVER SINCE! That's been his position. His idea of god is the only god and their is no other god but his god.

Cool ain't it!

budaatum:

Why don't you discuss the Bible with atheists?

KingEbukasBlog:


Its a waste of time . It mostly leads to no where. Totally gratuitous .

Religious skepticism has nothing to do with atheism and atheism does not reject religion . There are religious atheists . Questioning religious books or doctrine does not impugn God's existence , so why waste our precious time ?


I can only discuss the bible with the deists and adherents of other religions .

butterflyl1on:


Why not post your reaction to his apology when he realised his error. Would your phenomenally dumb riddled brain be able to swallow its pride and post what came after the post you are experiencing orgasm over?

budaatum:

Are you suggesting religious books are not infallible? (No, don't answer that. It sounds like one of those traps we atheists set, then juvenilely yell, voila!)

I don't think it is a waste of time. It creates doubt and awakens curiosity, which makes the individual ponder existence. Religious books have been significant in every societies development after all.

budaatum:

No. You are too rude to be acknowledged any further than you are acknowledged, but when god gives you manners, I promise I will then.

KingEbukasBlog:
butterflyl1on

Sir , JackBizzle has mental orgasms with the views and pages on his thread . He is trying as much as possible to make the argument interminable so people would see his "creative" thoughts about an entity whom he said with certitude does not exist. He is not interested in the knowing the truth . He is all about his perverse pleasure being made to look inferior , and the views and pages on his threads .

KingEbukasBlog:


I'm a theist , you are an atheist , why are we talking about the bible ? Whether it is fallible or not does not question the existence of God . There are theists (deists) who criticize religious books and they acknowledge God's existence .

butterflyl1on:



I never asked for your acknowledgement oh ye high and mighty dolt. You can take your acknowledgement and drown it.

butterflyl1on:


For some reason you keep jumping to mathematics (which is a construction of finite man) despite my repeatedly telling you that this isn't my focus.

Besides any mathematical sequence ALWAYS has a starting point. WE SIMPLY CHOOSE where to start from. Be it - or + there is a starting point to any number progression.

I keep saying one thing and you keep doltishly saying the very opposite like someone whose mind refuses to see that his very own OP is talking about GOD who isn't subject to human laws and definitions of infinity.

I give up on you.