Henry120:

I ain't making a ridiculous demand. You asked for Nigerian army T-72 MBT's, we provided you with link and pictorial evidence.

You asked for Nigerian army T-84 OPLOT-M tanks, we again provided you with pictorial and link evidence.

For Data links, we provided Pictorial, and operational evidence.



The only demand we (nigerians) have asked for is Pictorial evidence of SANDF operational Data links. Instead of providing evidence, you(patches689) and MikeZa, instead decided to go emotional?


What is this, confession, do we look like catholic priests to you guys?


LOL

First, you have provided no clear pictoral evidence of the T-72s. The info comes from an untrusted and unkown source - why has none of the major defence reporting outlets picked up on it?

Second, you have provided no clear pictoral evidence of the T-84s. The info comes from an untrusted and unkown source - why has none of the major defence reporting outlets picked up on it?

We have posted multiple links, from multiple sources, including the manufacturer that outlines that we have a TDL, its capabilities, and its operational use.

Grow up.

Henry120:

Show us SANDF operational Data Links? Why is this simple, straight forward demand so difficult?

what do you wanna see?

Tell me!!!

Link-ZA is installed in the Gripens,when you see a Gripen(hardware) there's link-za tracking it(software)

Henry120:

"Multi-TDL Network (MTN) refers to the network of similar and dissimilar TDLs integrated through gateways, translators, and correlators to bring the air, land, and sea common tactical picture and/or common operational picture together."



We showed the above in the rescue of the hijacked vessels off the coast of angola and ghana. We also provide pictorial evidence to show our infastructure.



SANDF over to you. Show us Operational South-african Data links?

Similar to TDLs.

Now go think.

As much as I found this thread Educative, i still see it as going beyond ordinary Compare and contrast, and it will be a threat to both nations later in the future. we are Africans and we should get each other's back. please let us only compare and contrast with no abusive words or phrases or else I might seek the closure of this thread .

NaijaPikinGidi:

Truth hurts. No ill-intentions. It's the gospel truth that we rescued ships in your waters!

That information you just gave is what is termed as fallacy of irrelevant conclusion. Please do your research, and please Google is not synonym for research. I hope you don't want to open another front in this pissing contest. Like I said, leave Ghana out!

news: GHANA Rescues 3 Pirated Ships
Throwing more light on the attacks and rescue of
the three vessels, the Director General of the
Ghana Ports and Harbours Authority, Mr. Richard
A.Y. Anamoo, said “MT Artemis,” a Liberian
flagged oil tanker, after receiving oil supply of
3,500 tons from another vessel at the Tema port
bunkering zone (anchorage), drifted off the cost
of Ghana to 53 nautical miles into Togolese
waters where it was attacked by the pirates.

They escorted the ship to Nigerian waters where
they discharged the fuel into another vessel
before escorting it back into Togolese waters
and was finally rescued and sent back to the
Ghanaian waters and anchored at the Tema port. Source: http:// news.peacefmonline.com/pages/news/201406/204221.php

news: Ghana's navy intercepts
suspected pirate ship
and arrests crew
Ghana's navy has
intercepted a ship and arrested its crew on
suspicion of involvement in the hijacking of
an oil products tanker off Gabon last month,
Ghana's government said.
Ghana's deputy Information Minister Felix Kwakye Ofosu said the vessel intercepted
by Ghana's navy, the MT Mustard, was believed to have been used to siphon about 3,500 tonnes of fuel from the Cotton.
It later sailed into Ghanaian waters, first
docking at the eastern port of Tema before
heading for an offshore oil facility off the
town of Saltpond.
"The vessel was intercepted off the coast of
Saltpond and the crew arrested by the
Ghana Navy," Ofosu said in a statement
released late on Thursday.
Ghana's Bureau of National Investigations
was conducting further investigations into
the ship's activities, he said. Source: http: www.tvcnews.tv/?q=article/ghanas-navy-intercepts-suspected-pirate-ship-and-arrests-crew

news: Ghana Navy arrests
vessel carrying stolen
fuel from Nigeria

The Owners of MV Madina told Ghana News
Agency, GNA, that the vessel was engaged in
lifting crude oil from a marginal oil producing
field in Nigeria into a bigger vessel, MV North
Wind Grace but the Captain and the crew
conspired to hijack it while laden with crude oil.
They said they began to trace the vessel and
alerted the Benin and Ghanaian Security.
They said they informed Mr Aboagye about the
incident, who confirmed that the Vessel was at
SPOCL and they pleaded with him to detain the
vessel until the Navy moved in to arrest it.
The Ghana Navy received hint from its Nigerian
counterparts about the vessel and zoomed in to
make the arrest.
Director of Public Relations at the Ghana Armed
Forces, Colonel M’Bawine Atintande told Joy
News the vessel, MT MADINA was arrested on
Thursday at the Saltpond oil fields where it was
transferring fuel to another vessel.
He said they will hand over the ship to the port
authorities and legal action will be taken against
the perpetrators by the appropriate authorities.
He said armed guards have been placed on alert
at the oil fields to protect the vessels.
The Owners said they would file the necessary
papers to reclaim their oil and the vessel at the
courts on Monday.
The vessel loaded with fuel is reported to have
been stolen from Nigeria. Source: http:// www.africanoutlookonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4019:ghana-navy-arrests-vessel-carrying-stolen-fuel-from-nigeria

Patchesagain:

Nigeria has no data-link, you have only posted pictures from inside a plane.

We have posted many links with refrence to LinkZA

Its ok, Nigeria is simply very backwards. I am sure you will get one one day

Mate,it isn't our problem that the Nigerian military listens or is influenced by bloggers.

Bloggers whom seem more concerned and bent on Nigeria introducing new hardware,other than looking at a wide range of factors('Packages') which might benefit Nigeria both economically and militarily.

Their primary factors or choices on acquisitions are largely centred around costs,capabilities and geopolitics.

That's why Nigeria's defence industry will continue lagging back and as people focus more on "off-the-shelf" weapons.

The reason why many Nigerians like Augubugbu tend to think SAAF Gripens are normal C and D versions. Similar to the submarines.

Reason why he doesn't know what's "Link-ZA".

Patchesagain:

citations or pictures

either will do

with something like a TDL, citations are better

Your pictures of some guys in a plane doesnt actually show a data-link. It shows some guys, in a plane, looking at a screen.

. Again computers are hardware,and not software.

To prove what his asking for,you'll have to provide web links to "apps" those computers run.

MIL-STD data links are operated on those computers. But is doesn't all "computer" have data links.

Data link=/=Computers.

MikeZA: Santa Fe was sunk because of its commander and it was an old sub.

Also keep in mind that the Santa Fe was surfaced not snorkeling.

They couldn't find the T209,which was hunting their vessels,attacking (unsuccessful though) even getting close to 5KM of their vessels without being detected.

This proves how deadly German diesel subs are,within when not in the best hands.

They slip into the operational conduct surveillance on the enemy undetected,at times follow fleets awaiting orders to engaged.

Your ATR-42 is simple maritime surveillance aircraft. You do you call a simple flying turkey "deadly"?

Nigeria has no MIL-STD data link.

Nope !

It proves to you that even in war situation, submarines have reason to surface, they are NOT perfect spirits from Hades.

South African navy SAS Manthatsi Type 209 submarine lost battery power during operation and failed, due to the very same wrong cable connection human incompetence that made Argentine navy San Luis Type 209 submarine FAIL to score any hit in the whole falklands war, because they had similar fools like South African navy sailor fools that connect wrong cable wires and k.ill electrical equipment on their own submarine !

The Argentine submarine fired FIRST TORPEDO that missed target because of this same South African brain incompetence

Same Argentine submarine fired SECOND TORPEDO that failed to launch because of this same South African brain incompetence

Argentine submarine's THIRD TORPEDO that fired on target was easily defeated by British anti-torpedo countermeasures that I have been shouting about, I warned that during South African navy war games with NATO, you 'sank' their ships in theory, you only targeted by sonar detection and lock on, it but you did NOT fire any torpedo, if you do so, the NATO ships anti-torpedo counter measures will defeat and waste ALL your torpedoes and the hidden location of your submarine will be known because it has fired it's weapons and the deadly NATO Anti-Submarine helicopters and Ship borne torpedoes will be unleashed to k.ill the South African submarine

The Argentine navy's T209 German made 'super' submarine could NOT sink any British warship throughout the Falklands war, ALL torpedoes fired were wasted by brains similar to those sailing South African submarines !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_San_Luis_(S-32)

You see why I said South African navy submarines can travel for fun and make Hollywood photos only? You have ZERO technical ability to operate them in a war zone.

Meanwhile, all 3 South African submarines have crashed or damaged by wrong maintenance services, your navy CANNOT maintain and sustain a submarine 5,000 km far away from home in a war zone, not training or visiting voyage, I mean a war zone away from home where there is a hostile enemy that can attack them, read what South Africans say about their own submarines.....


'"17 August 2012

A few days ago we learnt that all three submarines of the South African Navy were no longer operational. These three submarines were bought only a few years ago as part of the infamous 'arms deal' where the ANC liberated spent R70 BILLION to upgrade the country's military capabilities. The 3 subs cost around R8 Billion ($1billion) to buy from the Germans - who are probably laughing into their beer tankards as I type. The only problem is that, because of ANC quota systems, these subs would eventually land up in the hands of South African Blacks. (There's a joke in South Africa about how to split an atom. Give it to a Black man and tell him not to break it).

The SAS Manthatisi has been in dry dock since 2007 after a series of mishaps , including crashing into a quay wall and damaging her steering mechanism. Then a power cable was incorrectly plugged into her shore power-supply system, causing 'damage'. The vessel’s propulsion batteries, which cost R35-million, are currently being replaced (but I have a feeling that this isn't the only damage caused by some idiot not knowing his positive from negative).

The second sub, the SAS Charlotte Maxeke is also out of action due to “routine maintenance” - whatever that means. The navy doesn't want to fess up as to why she's still in dry dock if it's only 'routine' maintenance. This time of the day some African witch doctor has put a curse on it and all the little Black cadets are too scared to get on board. In any case.

Onto the third submarine - the SAS Queen Modjadji, named after a trival rain queen who lived in Limpopo province, was rammed into struck the ocean floor while conducting training exercises between Port Elizabeth and Durban last week. The Bleep-up accident happened three months after the Queen Modjadji welcomed a new commander, Commander Handsome Thamsanqa Matsane. The name says it all doesn't it? Again I digress. So, what does this have to do with the national carrier South African Airways not taking on anymore White cadets to train as pilots? Well, I'll leave you to work that one out. Needless to say, I won't be flying SAA ever again. Hey, Liberals out there! Yes, you wankers. How do you like dem New South African non-racist apples you helped pick? "

http://ozziesaffa..ca/2012/08/south-africa-no-more-white-cadet-pilots.html

# SouthAfrica's 3 Sick Submarines Cannot Fight War AwayFrom Home

PHOTO : SOUTH AFRICAN NAVY SUBMARINES SPEND MORE TIME IN DRY DOCK THAN AT SEA....THEY CANNOT FIGHT A WAR !!




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agaugust:



'"17 August 2012

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lol - how is this relevant?

2 year old information

All subs are operational now

agaugust:


'"17 August 2012

A few days ago we learnt that all three submarines of the South African Navy were no longer operational. These three submarines were bought only a few years ago as part of the infamous 'arms deal' where the ANC liberated spent R70 BILLION to upgrade the country's military capabilities. The 3 subs cost around R8 Billion ($1billion) to buy from the Germans - who are probably laughing into their beer tankards as I type. The only problem is that, because of ANC quota systems, these subs would eventually land up in the hands of South African Blacks. (There's a joke in South Africa about how to split an atom. Give it to a Black man and tell him not to break it).

The SAS Manthatisi has been in dry dock since 2007 after a series of mishaps , including crashing into a quay wall and damaging her steering mechanism. Then a power cable was incorrectly plugged into her shore power-supply system, causing 'damage'. The vessel’s propulsion batteries, which cost R35-million, are currently being replaced (but I have a feeling that this isn't the only damage caused by some idiot not knowing his positive from negative).

The second sub, the SAS Charlotte Maxeke is also out of action due to “routine maintenance” - whatever that means. The navy doesn't want to fess up as to why she's still in dry dock if it's only 'routine' maintenance. This time of the day some African witch doctor has put a curse on it and all the little Black cadets are too scared to get on board. In any case.

Onto the third submarine - the SAS Queen Modjadji, named after a trival rain queen who lived in Limpopo province, was rammed into struck the ocean floor while conducting training exercises between Port Elizabeth and Durban last week. The Bleep-up accident happened three months after the Queen Modjadji welcomed a new commander, Commander Handsome Thamsanqa Matsane. The name says it all doesn't it? Again I digress. So, what does this have to do with the national carrier South African Airways not taking on anymore White cadets to train as pilots? Well, I'll leave you to work that one out. Needless to say, I won't be flying SAA ever again. Hey, Liberals out there! Yes, you wankers. How do you like dem New South African non-racist apples you helped pick? "

http://ozziesaffa..ca/2012/08/south-africa-no-more-white-cadet-pilots.html

# SouthAfrica's 3 Sick Submarines Cannot Fight War AwayFrom Home

PHOTO : SOUTH AFRICAN NAVY SUBMARINES SPEND MORE TIME IN DRY DOCK THAN AT SEA....THEY CANNOT FIGHT A WAR !!




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http://ozziesaffa..ca/2012/08/south-africa-no-more-white-cadet-pilots.html

Lol, racist ramblings from a blog?

You seriously just posted someones opinion and think it is relevant?

Patchesagain:

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Okay, you have only TWO Badger IFVs

Nigeria's two T-84 tanks will k.ill both of them at the same time



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Patchesagain:

That is the total payload

Not the weapons payload

slowpoke

Nope, it is the total weapons payload in attack mode.

If the smaller Rooivalk carries 2,000 kg with it's weaker engines, the Hind is good to carry the 2,400 kg with it's bigger engines.

Hinds carry Bombs, Rooivalk does not !

Mi-35M Hind E beats the Rooivalk in payload

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agaugust:

Nope !

It proves to you that even in war situation, submarines have reason to surface, they are NOT perfect spirits from Hades.

South African navy SAS Manthatsi Type 209 submarine lost battery power during operation and failed, due to the very same wrong cable connection human incompetence that made Argentine navy San Luis Type 209 submarine FAIL to score any hit in the whole falklands war, because they had similar fools like South African navy sailor fools that connect wrong cable wires and k.ill electrical equipment on their own submarine !

The Argentine submarine fired FIRST TORPEDO that missed target because of this same South African brain incompetence

Same Argentine submarine fired SECOND TORPEDO that failed to launch because of this same South African brain incompetence

Argentine submarine's THIRD TORPEDO that fired on target was easily defeated by British anti-torpedo countermeasures that I have been shouting about, I warned that during South African navy war games with NATO, you 'sank' their ships in theory, you only targeted by sonar detection and lock on, it but you did NOT fire any torpedo, if you do so, the NATO ships anti-torpedo counter measures will defeat and waste ALL your torpedoes and the hidden location of your submarine will be known because it has fired it's weapons and the deadly NATO Anti-Submarine helicopters and Ship borne torpedoes will be unleashed to k.ill the South African submarine

The Argentine navy's T209 German made 'super' submarine could NOT sink any British warship throughout the Falklands war, ALL torpedoes fired were wasted by brains similar to those sailing South African submarines !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_San_Luis_(S-32)

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First the Argentiantian Type 209 is from the 1970's

Second the fact is that we eluded and sunk a NATO task force

Third you need to show that we use the same torpedoes

And by the way, Submarines have accidents all the time.

A french and english sub sailed into each other
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Vanguard_and_Le_Triomphant_submarine_collision

Kursk
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1070654.stm

Trafalgar class grounded itself twice off the island of Sky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Trafalgar_(S107)#Grounding_incidents

American sub grounding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Hartford_grounding

another
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_San_Francisco_(SSN-711)#Collision_with_seamount

the list goes on and on

agaugust:


Okay, you have only TWO Badger IFVs

Nigeria's two T-84 tanks will k.ill both of them at the same time



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How will a tank in a parking lot in Ukrain do any damage on an African battlefield?

agaugust:

Nope, it is the total weapons payload in attack mode.

If the smaller Rooivalk carries 2,000 kg with it's weaker engines, the Hind is good to carry the 2,400 kg with it's bigger engines.

Hinds carry Bombs, Rooivalk does not !

Mi-35M Hind E beats the Rooivalk in payload

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Prove that is the weapons payload of the Hind

It simply says payload, and it is after-all a transport helicopter

And why the hell would we want to put bombs on an attack helicopter?

Patchesagain:

Good, because the starstreak has a range of up to 7km
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starstreak_(missile)

Range is NOT Altitude dumbo

Starstreak altitude is 1km only, the Mi-35 dives to rocket your army with 4km range S-8 rockets at 4km altitude, your toy Startreak will be useless and watch your army die while being R.aped by NAF Hinds
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agaugust:

Range is NOT Altitude dumbo

Starstreak altitude is 1km only, the Mi-35 dives to rocket your army with 4km range S-8 rockets at 4km altitude, your toy Startreak will be useless and watch your army die while being R.aped by NAF Hinds
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Someone cannot remeber their trigonometry

NaijaPikinGidi: Truth hurts. No ill-intentions. It's the gospel truth that we rescued ships in your waters!

what fuelish truth?Ghana has recorded the least number or pirate attacks in west africa due to excellent work by its navy!

Patchesagain:

First, I know what a cluster bomb is

Second, you said they have an effective radius of 10km - prove it

Third, prove Nigeria has cluster bombs

Fool, dull maths brain, I said 10 km sq NOT 10 km....you don't know metric units of area measurements, 33% Soweto brain

I did...prove it all ....one cluster bomb will spread over a whole area of 3,000 houses, reason why they are very dangerous and Nigeria has them and uses them on Boko Haram today !

One Alpha jet will carry four, multiply by NAF total fleet of 50 jets !

Nigeria will sink ALL South African Valour Frigates in the Gulf Of Guinea if you come near our EEZ....Lion's den !
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agaugust:

Fool, dull maths brain, I said 10 km sq NOT 10 km....you don't know metric units of area measurements, 33% Soweto brain

I did...prove it all ....one cluster bomb will spread over a whole area of 3,000 houses, reason why they are very dangerous and Nigeria has them and uses them on Boko Haram today !

One Alpha jet will carry four, multiply by NAF total fleet of 50 jets !

Nigeria will sink ALL South African Valour Frigates in the Gulf Of Guinea if you come near our EEZ....Lion's den !
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First, you havent proved cluster bombs have that area
Second, anyone can edit wiki - show us proof nigeria has cluster munitions

MikeZA: Similar to TDLs.

Now go think.

Do you even know what TDL means?

Patchesagain:

Prove that is the weapons payload of the Hind

It simply says payload, and it is after-all a transport helicopter

And why the hell would we want to put bombs on an attack helicopter?

Yes, laser guided bombs makes the Mi-35 Hind superior to the Rooivalk ! Proves the Hind is better in attack role weapon options !

Rooivalk is an attack helicopter that CANNON attack with bombs !

The 2,000kg payload you quoted for Rooivalk includes it's fuel load !

Weapons payload for the Rooivalk is only 1,500 kg !!!
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agaugust:


Okay, you have only TWO Badger IFVs

Nigeria's two T-84 tanks will k.ill both of them at the same time



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You increased from one to two? That quick?

Meaning you really don't how many Badgers SA has.

The missile variant carries 4 missiles: 2 for each.

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.[size=16pt]New Shock On Nairaland :

South African Air Force Has NO SINGLE Mokopa Anti-tank guided missile

They have been telling lies to us since 2012 on this forum

Rooivalk has ZERO anti-tank capability in SAAF !

http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/53/mokopa-anti-armour-missile
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Patchesagain:

First, you have provided no clear pictoral evidence of the T-72s. The info comes from an untrusted and unkown source - why has none of the major defence reporting outlets picked up on it?

Second, you have provided no clear pictoral evidence of the T-84s. The info comes from an untrusted and unkown source - why has none of the major defence reporting outlets picked up on it?

We have posted multiple links, from multiple sources, including the manufacturer that outlines that we have a TDL, its capabilities, and its operational use.

Grow up.

We can just keep going round and round of these issues like a loop.

Fact is, we've provided comprehensive evidence of T-72's, T-84 OPLOT-M and a comprehensive Data link for our security services and the office of the presidency.

For South-Africa, you haven't provided convincing evidence to Data Links exist in your military.

agaugust:

Range is NOT Altitude dumbo

Starstreak altitude is 1km only, the Mi-35 dives to rocket your army with 4km range S-8 rockets at 4km altitude, your toy Startreak will be useless and watch your army die while being R.aped by NAF Hinds
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Oh Mathematics.

Henry120:

Do you even know what TDL means?

You should ask your self that question.

Henry120:

We can just keep going round and round of these issues like a loop.

Fact is, we've provided comprehensive evidence of T-72's, T-84 OPLOT-M and a comprehensive Data link for our security services and the office of the presidency.

For South-Africa, you haven't provided convincing evidence to Data Links exist in your military.

[size=14pt]Oga Henry, Mokopa missiles DON'T exist in South African air force till today 2014....

These guys have been using photos to spread lies !!!

http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/53/mokopa-anti-armour-missile[/size]

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agaugust: .

.[size=16pt]New Shock On Nairaland :

South African Air Force Has NO SINGLE Mokopa Anti-tank guided missile

They have been telling lies to us since 2012 on this forum

Rooivalk has ZERO anti-tank capability in SAAF !

http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/weapons/53/mokopa-anti-armour-missile
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Funnily the Mokopa missile is in production.

See how our sites are better than that peasant standard blog?

Patchesagain:
Valkiri has 36km range ((((((((BOOM)))))))))

APR-40 has 45km range ((((((BOOM BOOM BOOM)))))


Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1980 to 2013
Note: The ‘No. delivered/produced’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 28 September 2014


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


Romania
R: Nigeria (11) APR-40 122mm Self-propelled MRL (1991) 1991-1992 (11)

(4) M-82 130mm Towed gun 1991 1992 4 Second-hand


http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php

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Patchesagain:

It was deployed by Nigeria on a UN mission!!

How could you possibly say its a new "secret" thing when it has allready been deployed with the most transparent organization in the world!!

The wheeled APC in not identifiable in that pic, yes secret if not known on free internet. Secret as our Big Foot MRAP, nobody lists Nigeria as a user, yet we use it in battle. Secret kept from free internet that you love...
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MikeZA: Your post contradicts its self. I'll deal with it this way.

From your quote: infrared signature, such as expelling pre-cooled exhaust gasses just above the waterline

Explanation: The key word(s) there is PRE-COOLED,meaning the frigates cool exhaust gases before releasing above the water.

How many days did the sub stay under water?

That pre-cooled is ONLY for stealth valour frigate you dummy, your submarine is NOT a stealth submarine....fool

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