agaugust:


The news of Nigeria's 40 new combat helicopters from Russia has reached South Africa, we have left the Americans to sulk.






All the 3 of you are very very wrong !

Nigerian Mi-171s Terminator helicopters are a modern year 2002 product specifically designed for dual role, attack and transport as a bigger type of Mi-35 Hind.

South African Oryx was NEVER designed for attack role and is an old outdated past generation year 1987 helicopter.

Stop making wrong comparison based on envy.

"The Mi-171Sh can be deployed on a range of missions, including the airlifting of assault forces, transportation of cargoes, troop fire support, air-to-surface attack, escort of the military columns, medical evacuation and combat search and rescue (CSAR) operations."

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mi-171sh-combat-transport-helicopter/

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They have been putting rockets and guns and missiels on the MI17 for years. It is still a transport with wepaons straped on it. The more wepaons the less effective a transport you have.

The orxy are rather modern and have another upgrade pending.


It is cute how you try and make your stuff better than what they are. I all so wonder if nigeria is going to employ russian doctrain with there new russian choppers or follow western doctrain of the guys that are training them.


And a orxy can perfom a host of roles to from transport, air assult, medi vac, maretime support and EW.

Henry240:


Point is, they use them. Colombia can get Apache's if they wanted to, they are America's closest ally in latin america and a very active non-NATO member.

That does not mean they can get apache's. Sure they would be allowed to buy them. But does there defence requiments need a decated attack chooper, can they afford to buy, fly and maintain them do they have other pressing needs that out weigh the need of attack choppers.

Rember we talikg about a country that fly second hand Israly Kirf fighters. They could not afford a dedcated attack chopper. Instead they make do just like SA made do with the alloutt III before the rooivalk.

andrewza:


They have been putting rockets and guns and missiels on the MI17 for years. It is still a transport with wepaons straped on it. The more wepaons the less effective a transport you have.

The orxy are rather modern and have another upgrade pending.


It is cute how you try and make your stuff better than what they are. I all so wonder if nigeria is going to employ russian doctrain with there new russian choppers or follow western doctrain of the guys that are training them.


And a orxy can perfom a host of roles to from transport, air assult, medi vac, maretime support and EW.

Mi-17 Hip is NOT Mi-171s Terminator . Same way MiG-21 is NOT MiG-31.

Your Oryx does not carry any guided missile, same way your Rooivalk does not carry any guided bomb by specs.

Go kiss a frog with your ancient outdated 1987 Oryx helicopter that keeps rotating in a recycle factory
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Gallant Sojas!! Una goodnight oo! If una no hear my breaklight ... dat one be say I don enter bush again. Major push at hand.

Henry240:


My point is, you've been claiming black-hawk helicopters aren't used for attack roles, or aren't armed with missiles and rockets.

No,said that my brother @patches pointed out to you that those MI-17 weren't attack helicopters but simply transport helicopters with rockets.

The argument was never about Black Hawks.

agaugust:


Mi-17 Hip is NOT Mi-171s Terminator . Same way MiG-21 is NOT MiG-31.

Your Oryx does not carry any guided missile, same way your Rooivalk does not carry any guided bomb by specs.

Go kiss a frog with your ancient outdated 1987 Oryx helicopter that keeps rotating in a recycle factory
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MI17 termnator is still a MI17. Just like a F18 supper hornet is still a F18

And your MI17s don't carry any guided wepaons either. The rooivalk on the other hand is fully ingrated with the nokape and minstral missiels. Just zero need for them.

If how orxy are outdated then MI17 is a musseum piece.

andrewza:


They arenet. They can but they don't because it makes them a less effective at there transport role.

He doesn't understand the difference between what's capable and what's effective.

Henry240:


Actually they are. The photo I attached is a Colombian black-hawk helicopter not american.

Yes Colombia.

Henry240:


My point is, you've been claiming black-hawk helicopters aren't used for attack roles, or aren't armed with missiles and rockets.

They're capable of carrying out attacks,similar to the Lynx. But aren't effective.

The USA(the first country to build a dedicated AT helicopter) used the Huey transport helicopters,strapped with rocket pods for the attack and escort duties first.

This was found to be less effective,that's when the Cobra attack helicopter was developed and fielded.

From Russia to Algeria Hinds are being replaced by a dedicated attack helicopter,in the form of the MI-28.

NaijaPikinGidi:
The kind of men that SANDF prides itself about. No wonder SELEKA made a meal out of them and they ran away never to return.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIPSO4eqA08

Your point?

That man isn't a soldier,even if he was I wouldn't have been proud if he retaliated.

The SANDF deployed forces around CAR to carry out operations,and pave the way for an AU peacekeeping mission.

Your armed forces are fighting for the sovereignty and unity of Nigeria.

While SA and our allies from Uganda,Tanzania,Malawi,Kenya etc we are PROCTECTING AFRICA.

LaBellaMafiaZA:


They are always trying to make themselves feel better by projecting on S.A.

We live better here down south & that's an undisputed troof.

I know this Nigerian lady who has been living here for 10+ years. Both of her children were born here in South Africa. Ada, her oldest, couldn't cope on her first visit to Nigeria, the parents had to cut the trip short because both children were crying to return home. The mother tries to laugh it off now, but you can sense that the rejection of her country by her own children cuts deep. It hurts. Children don't front the way adults do, they call a spade a bleeping spade.

They can continue to live in the land of rainbows & lollipops concerning their country, but the fact is, anyone used to living elsewhere, would find Naija very depressing to live in.

Ada's mother now uses Naija to scare off her children. "Ada eat or I'll take you to Nigeria" I find it funny & sad at the same time.

That's really funny,especially the last part.hahahahahaha...

MikeZA:
Your point?

That man isn't a soldier,even if he was I wouldn't have been proud if he retaliated.

The SANDF deployed forces around CAR to carry out operations,and pave the way for an AU peacekeeping mission.

Your armed forces are fighting for the sovereignty and unity of Nigeria.

While SA and our allies from Uganda,Tanzania,Malawi,Kenya etc we are PROCTECTING AFRICA.

[s]That man isn't a soldier,even if he was I wouldn't have been proud if he retaliated.[/s]

My point exactly. SANDF personel are not soldiers. And I can see why you're all proud of SANDF's running away from CAR!!

SANDF will always LICK their wounds and walk run away after taking a good beating from a supposedly weaker COMBATANT.
That clip captures the very weak nature of your SANDF. I can't imagine a man being beaten to pulp and by no means managed to defend himself or neutralise the violent body bounding.

[s]The SANDF deployed forces around CAR to carry out operations,and pave the way for an AU peacekeeping mission.[/s]

Bloody liar! You were there to rip-off CAR along side Bozize of precious mining resources. You forget that AndrewZA's version was that SANDF were there to train CAR soldiers. Which version is correct?

Your armed forces are fighting for the sovereignty and unity of Nigeria.

Very correct!! For once you have truthfully stated this well-recognised fact.

[s]While SA and our allies from Uganda,Tanzania,Malawi,Kenya etc we are PROCTECTING AFRICA.[/s]

In deed ... SA is under the protection of Nigeria ... Tanzania, Uganda, Malawi, Congo, Kenya!! Don't forget Nigeria's General head the AU military setup!

Now run-off before I unleash those two angry South African women to beat you to size! #stupid

NaijaPikinGidi:





My point exactly. SANDF personel are not soldiers. And I can see why you're all proud of SANDF's running away from CAR!!

SANDF will always LICK their wounds and walk run away after taking a good beating from a supposedly weaker COMBATANT.
That clip captures the very weak nature of your SANDF. I can't imagine a man being beaten to pulp and by no means managed to defend himself or neutralise the violent body bounding.



Bloody liar! You were there to rip-off CAR along side Bozize of precious mining resources. You forget that AndrewZA's version was that SANDF were there to train CAR soldiers. Which version is correct?



Very correct!! For once you have truthfully stated this well-recognised fact.



In deed ... SA is under the protection of Nigeria ... Tanzania, Uganda, Malawi, Congo, Kenya!! Don't forget Nigeria's General head the AU military setup!

Now run-off before I unleash those two angry South African women to beat you to size! #stupid

Where you born a retard? Or did your mother drop you on your head?

LaBellaMafiaZA:


I'm not even lying or trying to diss our Naija peeps here, just spreading the gospel truth. Swear to God Almighty.

One of my fave anecdotes about their trip is when the Nigerian aunt tried to cheer Ada up by taking her to "town". Probably to some busy market, I don't know. Anyway, Ada's mother says she felt so embarrassed when Ada looked around & asked "What kind of town is this?". LMAO.

See, she is used to seeing Pretoria city centre & not some dusty market being referred to as a town

Honestly though, even her own parents & their friends joke about it, they call her a South African snob.

Ada's mother took them to a village township. not a city or or urban settlements. that's where most people who have been away for that long go to since family will always be there.

imagine a person who grew up in banana island, vgc, lekki wuse, maitama or any nice suburb in Nigeria relocating or visiting soweto slums or the poor and underdeveloped parts of SA. or don't you have such places in SA?

just like i will never imagine moving to or visiting SA because of the way and kind of environments i grew up. it would be too low for me i swear.

you guys really need to be more logical when you reason. it's a pity.

andrewza:



Where you born a retard? Or did your mother drop you on your head?

No AndrewZA!!! Unlike the retard you are ... I was born smart, brilliant and intelligent. And my mother nurtured me to stand upright with my head proudly balanced over my shoulders to be respected and served by AndrewZA the disgruntled and aging cook.

NaijaPikinGidi:
Gallant Sojas!! Una goodnight oo! If una no hear my breaklight ... dat one be say I don enter bush again. Major push at hand.

Roger that sir !
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chris365:


Ada's mother took them to a village township. not a city or or urban settlements. that's where most people who have been away for that long go to since family will always be there.

imagine a person who grew up in banana island, vgc, lekki wuse, maitama or any nice suburb in Nigeria relocating or visiting soweto slums or the poor and underdeveloped parts of SA. or don't you have such places in SA?

just like i will never imagine moving to or visiting SA because of the way and kind of environments i grew up. it would be too low for me i swear.

you guys really need to be more logical when you reason. it's a pity.

Kwaaaaaks. Riiiight. I'm not going to say much, but you not wanting to visit S.A = 0 number of fux given by me. You're doing us a huge favour. Much appreciated. Thanks

No energy to reply to the rest, so good evening.

sambos994:


Nice counter

LOL, na so.

You've been AWOL, did you delete your account?

LaBellaMafiaZA:


Kwaaaaaks. Riiiight. I'm not going to say much, but you not wanting to visit S.A = 0 number of fux given by me. You're doing us a huge favour. Much appreciated. Thanks

No energy to reply to the rest, so good evening.

oh sorry, i didn't know it was compulsory to visit SA seeing as it's the only thing that ticked you. whether you give a fvck or not, i honestly don't give fvck how you feel. it's irrelevant to me.

oops! Saw you are female and now regret even replying you invthe first place. dumb male saffers are enough for me.
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chris365:

oh sorry, i didn't know it was compulsory to visit SA seeing as it's the only thing that ticked you. whether you give a fvck or not, i honestly don't give fvck how you feel. it's irrelevant to me.

oops! Saw you are female and now regret even replying you invthe first place. dumb male saffers are enough for me.
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Attention seeking TO² ... free am abegii!

Patchesagain:


[color=#006600]- That series of running ba
all from http://www.iol.co.za/sundayindependent/how-deadly-car-battle-unfolded-1.1493841#.VDnfMPmSySq

Still telling yourselves these lies, why am I not surprised, you're the boss of fairy tale
stories and fraudulent claims.

LIES all LIES, no source on the ground can confirm any of these fraudulent stories you keep posting.

Please post a report from news sources in the CAR.


In that case, the Unicorns are real, bigfoot is also real.

MikeZA:
No,said that my brother @patches pointed out to you that those MI-17 weren't attack helicopters but simply transport helicopters with rockets.

The argument was never about Black Hawks.

I differ. The argument was over Air-refueling for helicopters. The MI-171sh is a new helicopter, it's an assault helicopter.

MikeZA:
He doesn't understand the difference between what's capable and what's effective.

You're making up sh1t again. Fact is, it works and is widely used.

chris365:

oh sorry, i didn't know it was compulsory to visit SA seeing as it's the only thing that ticked you. whether you give a fvck or not, i honestly don't give fvck how you feel. it's irrelevant to me.

oops! Saw you are female and now regret even replying you invthe first place. dumb male saffers are enough for me.
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I just ignored her.

agaugust:


Mi-17 Hip is NOT Mi-171s Terminator . Same way MiG-21 is NOT MiG-31.

Your Oryx does not carry any guided missile, same way your Rooivalk does not carry any guided bomb by specs.

Go kiss a frog with your ancient outdated 1987 Oryx helicopter that keeps rotating in a recycle factory
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Different models of the same helicopter, clown. Mi-171 Terminator is the export variant of the Mi-8AMTSh

Also, pic related "ancient outdated 1987 oryx"

NaijaPikinGidi:





My point exactly. SANDF personel are not soldiers. And I can see why you're all proud of SANDF's running away from CAR!!

SANDF will always LICK their wounds and walk run away after taking a good beating from a supposedly weaker COMBATANT.
That clip captures the very weak nature of your SANDF. I can't imagine a man being beaten to pulp and by no means managed to defend himself or neutralise the violent body bounding.



Bloody liar! You were there to rip-off CAR along side Bozize of precious mining resources. You forget that AndrewZA's version was that SANDF were there to train CAR soldiers. Which version is correct?



Very correct!! For once you have truthfully stated this well-recognised fact.



In deed ... SA is under the protection of Nigeria ... Tanzania, Uganda, Malawi, Congo, Kenya!! Don't forget Nigeria's General head the AU military setup!

Now run-off before I unleash those two angry South African women to beat you to size! #stupid

First, men dont hit women. Rule 1 of being a man.

Second, SANDF has no men under AU command.

Third, Nigeria was unable to form a rapid response force like South Africa. Which means that you are under our protection.

Henry120:


Still telling yourselves these lies, why am I not surprised, you're the boss of fairy tale
stories and fraudulent claims.

LIES all LIES, no source on the ground can confirm any of these fraudulent stories you keep posting.

Please post a report from news sources in the CAR.


In that case, the Unicorns are real, bigfoot is also real.

Written by a Janes Correspondent who cites numerous NGO's as his sources

Seleka confirmed the casualty claims - here is the news from CAR that you asked for.

“We fought very hard for one and a half days. They had very good weapons and very good fighters,” said corporal Mohamed Tahir of a battle in the capital Bangui that he took part in, which left 13 South African soldiers and apparently hundreds of rebels dead or wounded.

The fight put up by the SA troops was so ferocious he believed they were facing over 400 men – almost double the actual number.

“It was a very difficult battle. We lost more than half of the the men only in my unit of 500 men.” - Tahir

Captain Amin Nodjokama described it as “big, big battle – it was very hot! It took a long time and the fighting was very heavy with a lot of dead and wounded on both sides”.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/03/sa-soldiers-carved-us-up-say-rebels

there you go, you have the names and ranks of seleka fighters who corroborate our story

Henry120:


I differ. The argument was over Air-refueling for helicopters. The MI-171sh is a new helicopter, it's an assault helicopter.

The argument was never about Air-refueling of helicopters - WTF are you smoking

and no, the MI-171sh is defined as a "combat transport helicopter"
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mi-171sh-combat-transport-helicopter/

Patchesagain:


The argument was never about Air-refueling of helicopters - WTF are you smoking

and no, the MI-171sh is defined as a "combat transport helicopter"
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mi-171sh-combat-transport-helicopter/

Fool, both means the same thing. Combat-Transport Helicopter = Assault Helicopter. Fool

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agaugust:


Fool, both means the same thing. Combat-Transport Helicopter = Assault Helicopter. Fool

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No

combat transport helicopter = combat transport helicopter

If it was an assault helicopter, they would call it that

The Hind is an assault helicopter

The Hind has been called the world's only "assault helicopter," for its combination of firepower & troop-carrying

Patchesagain:


Different models of the same helicopter, clown. Mi-171 Terminator is the export variant of the Mi-8AMTSh

Also, pic related "ancient outdated 1987 oryx"

You can go redecorate your Oryx interior, it is still a 1987 air frame and function design, helicopters have advanced since 1987 era.

SAAF is many years behind NAF, or Mi-171s is a year 2002 design and is brand new, keep sulking with your ancient helos.

Better go replace them when you have money in year 2030, for now SANDF is broke, @Andrewza is at risk of retrenchment
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