andrewza:


sorry many things are classified on it, sea scan can pic up low flying aircraft. Hell you can use sea scan to track rain. What the typ 209s sub can not do is target and trak a aircraft but that a moot poit since it is a sub. Any case in combat the sub would not use it's radar it is mostly for peace time.

Subs for anti piracy is for intel gathering.

Submarine is NOT = OPV

Anyway, South Africa has no fuel to sustain anti-piracy missions beyond Angola, except if your engines run on Coca Cola
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andrewza:


The fact the UN prefer the rooivalk over the hind
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Show me a UN source that confirms that statement
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ELKASPBG:



dailyindependentnig.com/2014/10/nigeria-lead-multinational-strike-force-boko-haram/

As long as this continent is concerned, we would always lead. We cannot be lead, at one point in every mission/OP nigerian troops, there must have been a nigerian leader. MAG.gen martin Luther agwai led in Sudan, Mag.Gen albudlkadir led Afisma in Mali, in Somalia in 1993, we led. we aren't followers. We are always at the heart of the mission, and would always lead that mission. Win or fail,we bear full responsibilities. We don't shy away.

Ecomog years, we also lead. Gen. Olukolade is a veteran of the war in Liberia, he was the P.R officer of Ecomog.

GERALD710:


The whole bloody world knows.....Nigeria is the king of Scams.

A South African company just this month collected $5 million from Nigerian arms buyers using an expired SA company registration which is illegal and criminal. Your own scams includes big time corporate/institutional robbery in broad daylight
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MikeZA:


1. Lack of hot and high flying capability.

2. Lack NOE flying capability.

3. Lack of sensors.

4. Lack of manoeuvrability.

5. "IT LOOKS LIKE A SAD PEGEON" You said.

It is designed to operate in Europe,in colder temperatures and less dust.

It is an effective bird used by multiple countries across different climatic regions. It is an effective and a very capable tank killer. It's a joy for every airforce pilot. The best part is we are getting up-to 12 MI-171SH terminator.

The Indians fly them
Russians
Chinese
Poles
Venezuelans
Algerians
Ghanaians
Algerians
Nigerians
Brazilians
Mexicans
Colombians

Et al

Patchesagain:


The argument was never about Air-refueling of helicopters - WTF are you smoking

and no, the MI-171sh is defined as a "combat transport helicopter"
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mi-171sh-combat-transport-helicopter/

combat transport helicopter"

Your own comment clearly states, Combat transport helicopter.

LaBellaMafiaZA:


He is done! Finally! How was it ? Did she make those fish noises again? Remember that she is made of plastic, hun. Just play the "I'm a Barbie girl" song in the background next time to drown the noise.

Go back to talking about missiles & shyt & let's leave each other's love lives out of the topic, k?

Btw, my man's real 100% flesh.

You sound more like your world is only rocked with a Plastic V.i.b.r.a.t.o.r

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agaugust:


Did I say Hawaii is in Ghana? Good you confessed that is is mostly Asians who are crazy about South Africa.

Like the Dalai Lama for whom China commanded Jacob Zuma to deny an entry visa

China too commands South Africa, no wonder Tanzania is judged good enough to lead your 50 million people

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Petty insults with no substance

Classic augubgugugu

Henry120:


The Nigerian military isn't wavering in it's constitutional duty of protecting Nigerians.

If you were a little intellectually bright, you would know wars aren't video games or movies. Neither does this enemy respect the Geneva convention.

The Nigerian military and security architecture are currently the most engaged and one of the more experienced (bar Algeria, which still suffers terror attacks by the way) on this continent. So it isn't unusual to see students from across the continent including south-africa attend NDA/NDC/NWC and multiple other courses in Nigeria.

Every reasonable neighbor knows practical experience is vitally more important than some fictional war scenario.

This is why they continue to troop into Nigerian war colleges.

First, we are the most experienced - 25 years

Second, we didnt send any SANDF for training in Nigeria

agaugust:


Submarine is NOT = OPV

Anyway, South Africa has no fuel to sustain anti-piracy missions beyond Angola, except if your engines run on Coca Cola
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Who said only OPV's can do anti-piracy?

Also, who said we lack fuel?

Henry120:


As long as this continent is concerned, we would always lead. We cannot be lead, at one point in every mission/OP nigerian troops, there must have been a nigerian leader. MAG.gen martin Luther agwai led in Sudan, Mag.Gen albudlkadir led Afisma in Mali, in Somalia in 1993, we led. we aren't followers. We are always at the heart of the mission, and would always lead that mission. Win or fail,we bear full responsibilities. We don't shy away.

Ecomog years, we also lead. Gen. Olukolade is a veteran of the war in Liberia, he was the P.R officer of Ecomog.

You were led in Mali

And the inability to follow is nothing to be proud of. It just highlights the fact that Nigerians are overly emotional and place pride before military objectives

Henry120:


It is an effective bird used by multiple countries across different climatic regions. It is an effective and a very capable tank killer. It's a joy for every airforce pilot. The best part is we are getting up-to 12 MI-171SH terminator.

The Indians fly them
Russians
Chinese
Poles
Venezuelans
Algerians
Ghanaians
Algerians
Nigerians
Brazilians
Mexicans
Colombians

Et al

Its not a good tank killer

and well done for listing the rest of the third world... low standards man. low standards

Henry120:


combat transport helicopter"

Your own comment clearly states, Combat transport helicopter.

Thanks for the confirmation

agaugust:


You dey mind South Africans?

Envy will k.ill them because Tanzanian army commander is still leading South African army in Congo as we speak

Nigerian military is confirmed the to be big boss as usual, so we will continue to lead Africa till infinity !!!!

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And his boss is South African

#WhoIsLeadingWho?

lezz:


i repeat, i have never seen such bare faced,fact-twisting, unscrupulous liers like southafricans. I will give it to them. They are a genius at mixing lies with facts . Distortion masters.

That is their national trademark and symbol

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agaugust:


Did I say Hawaii is in Ghana? Good you confessed that is is mostly Asians who are crazy about South Africa.

Like the Dalai Lama for whom China commanded Jacob Zuma to deny an entry visa

China too commands South Africa, no wonder Tanzania is judged good enough to lead your 50 million people

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We owed china a debt for helping us acheive BRICS status.

We have discharged that debt.

Welcome to international politics. You should learn how to play, and maybe you could achieve international relevance.

agaugust:


One day, I will....at my own time....with my gun and uniform. No hurry
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Gun and uniform?

lol, just show us you live in America. Lair.

agaugust:


That is their national trademark and symbol

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And yours is internet scams

#Irony

Patchesagain:


First, we are the most experienced - 25 years

Second, we didnt send any SANDF for training in Nigeria

Algeria is Africa's most experienced COIN force. Next in line is Nigeria.


The article which agaugust pasted months ago stated officers from 19 different countries graduated from the course. One of the 19 countries which included south-africa.

Patchesagain:


Thanks for the confirmation

And what have I been saying?

Henry120:


Algeria is Africa's most experienced COIN force. Next in line is Nigeria.


The article which agaugust pasted months ago stated officers from 19 different countries graduated from the course. One of the 19 countries which included south-africa.

No it said people from 19 countries.

And Nigeria has how much COIN experience? We have 25 under the belt.

And it did not differentiate between lecturers, guest speakers and attendees

Patchesagain:


Its not a good tank killer

and well done for listing the rest of the third world... low standards man. low standards

All countries which are better than south-africa.

Henry120:


And what have I been saying?

You said it was an assault helicopter.

Which is a concept you just made up.

andrewza:



Yet photos of the averge nigerian solder fighting BH show them basic nigerian infantry squad to be armened with a AK47 and a few Mags. Where we have shown that even SA solders in Sudan on peacekeeping missions have MGLs.

Nigeria has MGLs too.

South African soldiers were robbed by thugs in Sudan who dispossessed SANDF of their weapons and armour

Why do we always find Nigerian soldiers in the hottest war zones on earth, while we find South African soldiers where only armed robber class of conflict exists ?

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Henry120:


All countries which are better than south-africa.

Care to back that up with some citations?

No, of course you wont.

Patchesagain:


You were led in Mali

And the inability to follow is nothing to be proud of. It just highlights the fact that Nigerians are overly emotional and place pride before military objectives

You led Afisma in Mali right?

agaugust:


Nigeria has MGLs too.

South African soldiers were robbed by thugs in Sudan who dispossessed SANDF of their weapons and armour

Why do we always find Nigerian soldiers in the hottest war zones on earth, while we find South African soldiers where only armed robber class of conflict exists ?

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No, you have one or two MGL's, they are not in common service, and no known AGL's in service with your infantry. You guys dont even have rifle grenades for godness sakes.

And we were robbed because of the ROE that existed at the time. Zambians were also robbed. If we arent allowed to shoot, what are we supposed to do?

and we are involved in the only offensive peacekeeping operation in the world.

And they didnt steal any armor, you clod.

Henry120:


You led Afisma in Mali right?

Nope, France did.

So that completely torpedoes your argument that Nigeria will never be led.

Thanks for playing.

NEXT!

Patchesagain:


Nope, France did.

So that completely torpedoes your argument that Nigeria will never be led.

Thanks for playing.

NEXT!

Was France part of AFISMA, Fool?

Henry120:


Was France part of AFISMA, Fool?

AFISMA is subservient to the French and MINUSMA

NaijaPikinGidi:
The stark reality of South Africans. Home is where the crime is ...

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http://news-headlines.co.za/is-irresponsible-advertorial-bbc-reporting-hiding-genocide-in-south-africa/

[size=14pt]Time Bomb....clock is ticking, one day they could be like Somalia[/size]


"In an article on the BBC website, 3rd May, it is claimed that there is a mass return to South Africa by Expats, in what appears to be an almost whitewash of the true situation, with many stunned cries of disbelief and foul play reverberating on Social Media.

Based solely on an unsubstantiated claim by Homecoming Revolution, a company whose business it is to encourage ex South Africans (aka SAFFA’s) to return to SA, that some 340,000 have returned to SA in the last decade, the BRITISH journalist, who has only been in South Africa for 10 years, is happy to provide 3 or 4 almost “to good to be true” examples. In fact, it appears one of these “examples” is the CEO and Founder of the Homecoming Revolution company itself!

As a service to would be returnee’s and visitors, who could be taken in by this irresponsible reporting, we thought it would be prudent to take off the BBC (rose) coloured glasses and inject some cold hard realities.

A simple visit to the Gov.UK Foreign Travel Advice centre includes statements like:

South Africa has a very high level of crime, including rape and murder. (It mentions how this is mostly in townships yet the BBC article proudly boasts that one of the “returnees” works in the Township of Kayalitsha!).
Incidents of vehicle hi-jacking and robbery are common, particularly after dark.
The standard of driving in South Africa can vary greatly and there are many fatal accidents every year.
There has been an increase in strike action in South Africa and some demonstrations have turned violent. This could continue in the run-up to elections in 2014.

The 2012 UNAIDS Report on the Global AIDS Epidemic estimated that around 5,700,000 adults aged 15 or over in South Africa were living with HIV; the prevalence percentage was estimated at around 17.9 of the adult population compared to the prevalence percentage rate in adults in the UK of around 0.2%. You should exercise normal precautions to avoid exposure to HIV/AIDS. There is no reciprocal health care agreement between the United Kingdom and South Africa.

There is a high incidence of credit card fraud and fraud involving ATMs.

There is an underlying threat from terrorism.

There is a hint in the small and almost reluctant admission that around one in six returnees end up leaving again. There is also the typical, and expected, repudiation of the impact of Affirmative Action that we have come to expect from a left leaning mass media News Company like BBC.

Well, if I was of the ilk of that journalist, I would leave the story there and send it to print confidently knowing my editor would consider it valid and politically correct. Job done!

However, let’s look a bit deeper. All it takes a couple of keystrokes.

No mention is made at all of all those fairly serious precautions regarding crime and health given on the UK.gov Foreign Office website cited above.

No mention is made of the fact that South Africa is rated 5 on the GenocideWatch website, having been moved down from 6, which is one step from actual genocide atrocities, last year.



No mention is made of the fact that it is, statistically, the most dangerous job in the whole world, of all professions, to be a white farmer in South Africa.

No mention is made of the fact that racist laws implemented by the ANC regime, to exclude whites from the workplace, have in fact just recently been extended and strengthened. These include access to educational institutions where top “straight A” students are denied places in favour of less well performing blacks, which are now called “FreeBorns” having been born into and schooled in post apartheid SA.

No mention of the fact that if, as an entrepreneur (which one assumes is the target market), you want to start a business in South Africa, you have to give 25% of it to a black shareholder (recently upgraded from 20%) by law.

No mention of dozens of reports in recent months alone of foreigners being slaughtered and raped in brutal fashion.

No mention of police implication in many crimes, including “recreational” rape.

Then there is the deluge of reaction this article has received on Social Networking sites like Facebook and especially in certain groups of users mostly in South Africa, but also from USA, UK, etc.

Without fail comment after comment expresses shock with claims that this BBC article is a “total lie”, a “fabrication”, “leftist propaganda”, “Pre Election propaganda” on behalf of the disgraced and corrupt ANC and the publicly derided and often booed Jacob Zuma.

They unreservedly deny that a mass return is even taking place, and furthermore that it is irresponsible to even suggest that it is safe to return, especially for whites!

So much so that one these groups, with 3,000 members, which was started by Christians from America, who want to highlight and spread awareness of the white genocide taking place in South Africa, and the accompanying media blackout that surrounds this “politically incorrect” topic, have launched a campaign to complain to the BBC, UNESCO, UN, Human Rights commission in SA, and anyone else who will listen, about the danger of this superficial almost advertorial “report” with no consideration to facts.

There is another group, Boere Krisis in Aksie (BKA), entirely dedicated to the farm murders with almost 10,000 members as well as a Facebook page with over 91,400 Likes!

More telling, is a group started as a call to boycott the Afrikaans monopoly mass media organisation, (Naspers), for their media blackout and denial of this “politically incorrect” hot potato. This group has amassed 22,500 members!

Another group called SAFFA Nation Without a State for a BondStaat has started a campaign called “Deed for a deed” whereby every time there is a murder and rape of a white farmer or a home invasion, which is daily, the members are encouraged to respond to that deed by doing some pro-active deed towards attaining self determination (secession) for the “currently disadvantaged” european minority in SA.

No mention of the heated arguments going on in the SA media about verification and fabrication of stats. It is well regarded that stats given out by the government are entirely fabricated and most people refer to independent sources for information. Sites like Farmitracker and AfriCheck have sprung up as a result.

We could go on ad-infinitum citing examples and facts with many many horrific stories and facts of unspeakable brutality against innocent civilians sometime well into their 80’s!

…and we do not have to resort to using staff as an example!

Finally, this company, Homecoming Revolution which was started in 2003 by this Ad Exec, who was one example cited in the article, worked for M&C Saatchi in London and went back to South Africa to start M&C Saatchi in 1996. A quick look at their client list and there can be no doubt her, and her team of mostly female executives, obviously know how to pull the punters in. Many of these listed are major government organisations, like ESKOM, the national electricity provider, who are not allowed, by law, to hire white staff. A well known campaign by the SA government is its “Brand SA” and LeadSA campaigns. This same story has been repeated in South African Newspaper the star and online Mail & Guardian who even claim a larger amount, 359,000 have returned since 2008! That is over 5,000 per month! We demand to now where this figure comes from….

One can find videos on Youtube of SA Ambassadors almost begging South Africa’s brains, mostly whites, to return to rebuild the country. Rebuild? Has it been destroyed in the last 20 years then? Also denied. These very people they chased away with their lack of respect for the rights of minorities and their racist legislation. Rewind 20 years, and the BBC was at the absolute crest of the Mandela wave riding high on the legend they created. It appears that just like the Russian Revolution, the Socialists and liberals have once again got it wrong…"

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