agaugust:

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Nation of Southie fools, Dangote is Ra.ping your economy big time, he swallowed your one billion Rands....M.orons of ANC shiit hole

SOUTH AFRICAN TIGER BRAND LOSES $82 MILLION TO DANGOTE – BUSINESS LESSONS
http://richnigerianpharmacists.com/south-african-tiger-brand-loses-82-billion-to-dangote-business-lessons/

We Nigerians, we own you South Africans, we milk your dry because you are a nation of permanent M.orons [/size]
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Did you read the artical?

They lost money because Dangote mills is not a profitable enterprise

Not only that, the dangote mills has been losing money like no other business. It has already made a loss of 5 billion naiara already this year.
http://richnigerianpharmacists.com/south-african-tiger-brand-loses-82-billion-to-dangote-business-lessons/

How is a company that is in the process of bottoming out rapeing our economy?

I thought you were an accountant.

agaugust:


When you Southies were insulting Nigeria posting stories about refugees and asylum seekers and drug addicts for the past 3 days , were you not spoiling this thread? My retaliation is hurting y.ou real bad as I can see. Insult Nigeria anytime and I will retaliate, get it?

You complained so hard about off topic posting - yet you are the main culprit

I am highlighting your hypocrisy

agaugust:


This is Nigeria's weapons money in action, not some 16 page paper budget of funds to pay salaries of soldiers and buy SANDF HIV drugs for your half dead 30 battalions of soldiers who will die before enemy even shoots them.

Cash buys weapons, not PDF files and paper stories of wish list...

http://allafrica.com/stories/201410230300.html

http://www.punchng.com/news/military-takes-delivery-of-two-jets-loaded-with-weapons/
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What exactly is your argument?

What exactly do you want?

The projects have been given the green light, the money allocated - I dont see what your problem is, I dont see how it is a wish list.

O yes, now I see, while Nigeria has busied itself with buying a handfull of obsolete cold war era trash the SANDF continues to gear up with state of the art equipment... and we are at peace... Its jealousy isnt it?

agaugust:


This is Nigeria's weapons money in action, not some 16 page paper budget of funds to pay salaries of soldiers and buy SANDF HIV drugs for your half dead 30 battalions of soldiers who will die before enemy even shoots them.

Cash buys weapons, not PDF files and paper stories of wish list...

http://allafrica.com/stories/201410230300.html

http://www.punchng.com/news/military-takes-delivery-of-two-jets-loaded-with-weapons/
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I said show us the EFT, bank stamp, signature from branch manager of the deal to purchase J-17 jet. Something you dont yet have. I can also show you military equipment we have and say "our money in action". You challenged me....you lost...then you started to divert the topic. All those projects i mentioned are confirmed by national treasury....whether u like it or not. Kondor E satellite...in service. Deal with it

South Africa is aquiring new torpedoes

DM2A4 Seehecht

- completely immune to countermeasures
- 50km range
- 90kph speed

agaugust:


Yes, all those who fought Nigeria avoided air to air combat because they fear NAF's air power, so the dare not challenge us the way Cuban teenage pilots challenged SAAF.

The source you posted showed MiG-23 shot down my ground based anti-aircraft missiles, I SAID SAAF NEVER SHOT DOWN ANY CUBAN MIG-23 JET IN AIR TO AIR COMBAT you dummy ! Can't you use your head? Domingo !

SAAF has NO air force ace pilots, you ran away from Cuban teenage pilots in MiG-23 jets, your Mirage F1s were hiding at their airbases

SAAF only succeeded in using jets to chase slow helicopters around, and you call that air force air power or an ace pilot?

One NAF F-7 jet pilot will shoot down all your 10 Rooivalks in 10 minutes.

You don't have ANY air to air combat experience jet vs jet of same generation in SAAF....you are at the same level with Nigeria, while NAF beats SAAF in air to ground attack combat with jets or attack helicopters flying thousands of NAF combat sorties, while SAAF Gripens, Hawks, and Rooivalks are redundant with ZERO war experience !
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You have degraded yourself badly. You have lost taste of sanity severely.

agaugust:


You CANNOT buy military satellite and escape United Nations arms log registration, both buyer and seller will be in violation of legally binding UN Convention on arms transfer.

South Africa has no space satellite until confirmed by the Russians who manufacture it. Then Kondor-E is an ordinary satellite not a spy satellite.....Russian sources proved the specifications.

Dream on bro , hallucinations are free if charge, even street beggars have them
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There is nothing forcing people to honour said rules. Russia did confirm some time ago it was for south Africa.

Patchesagain:
South Africa is aquiring new torpedoes

DM2A4 Seehecht

- completely immune to countermeasures
- 50km range
- 90kph speed

war battles are twofold.

(1) Acquirement of weapons.

(2) Having the man power and skills to operate these military aquirement in battle situation.

Southafrican soldiers is a true reflection of your companies, firms, and institutions. The legislation of fixing 75% blacks in areas they lack expertise has ruin everything in southafrica- ESPECIALLY YOUR MILITARY .

Read this Four months after admitting that 12 of its 26 Gripen jet fighters had been placed in storage because they were too expensive to operate and there were not enough qualified pilots to fly them, South African officials admitted that the maintenance contracts for all the Gripens had expired in April. That made long term use of the Gripens dangerous. This contract was with a reliable, and expensive, South African firm (Denel). The maintenance contracts pay for ongoing support for the aircraft to include updates and warnings on problems other users have encountered as well as access to manufacturer engineers and maintenance experts. Aircraft become more dangerous to operate (if they operate at all) without regular maintenance and these maintenance contracts are a critical part of that. Some South African politicians are now calling for the Gripens to be sold, as there is not likely to be sufficient money to operate them and retain qualified pilots.

Currently only about half of the remaining 14 Gripens are flyable and there are only six qualified Gripen pilots. Corruption, shrinking defense budgets, and political pressure to find more black combat pilots and technical personnel has led to the South African Air Force having fewer operational aircraft. All this has been going on for over a decade.

For example, back in 2009, the South African Air Force stopped automatically releasing data on how many hours combat pilots flew for training. When the numbers were finally obtained, it was discovered that in 2008, fighter pilots were in the air for 325 hours (less than two hours a month per pilot). In contrast, pilots on VIP flights (carrying politicians and government officials) were up there 1,932 hours. There are about fifty transports and 80 helicopters in the air force at the time, and that number has continued to shrink.

In 2009, the air force had only twenty fighter pilots and only nine Gripen fighters. The remaining 17 were delivered by 2012. In 2008, the last of the 66 Cheetah fighters (rebuilt French Mirage IIIs) were retired. In 2008, the last full year that Cheetahs were operational, fighter pilots got 2,084 hours in the air and the year before that it was 2,448 hours. It’s believed that only six of those twenty fighter pilots were competent to handle these aircraft in combat. Most competent pilots have left the air force because of the lack of flying hours. Many of the pilots remaining got in under a quota system that attempts to add more racial diversity to the air force.

Not surprisingly, many South Africans believe that the South African Air Force (SAAF) has been falling apart for years. The most obvious evidence of this is the decrepit state of aging buildings, runways, and aircraft. But the biggest problem is getting, and keeping, technical people. This is complicated by a government program to integrate previously all white institutions. This has been most difficult in areas that require a lot of technical training and education. Like pilots and aircraft maintainers.

The government has set a racial goal for SAAF pilots and wants them to be 75 percent black and 25 percent white. A lack of qualified black air force personnel means that this goal has still not been met. The morale problem started getting a lot worse back in 2005, when the three top rated graduates of pilot training school, who would normally go on to fly fighters, were told that, because they were white, they would instead fly helicopters or transports. Three less qualified black pilots would go on to fly fighters. When commanders noted the morale problem, and public outcry, they declared that it was no longer the policy to send the best pilots to fighters but to spread the best pilots around to all flying communities.

The problem here is that flying fighters is the technically most demanding job for pilots, and the best pilots only stay in the SAAF to fly fighters. If they wanted to fly helicopters or transports they could make more money, and fly more often, as civilian pilots. So the SAAF is ending up with less competent fighter pilots (which ultimately results in more accidents) and fewer, and less capable, helicopter and transport pilots as well. Since the SAAF pilots are currently selected more for their race than for their ability, the morale of most pilots will remain quite low.

A similar situation occurs in other technical specialties, like maintaining the aircraft. Fewer whites are enlisting for these jobs, and more existing techs are quitting for civilian jobs. There is also pressure on civilian airlines to integrate, but the pressure is not as great because politicians fly those airliners and want the highest quality pilots and maintainers for those aircraft.

Even with the current situation it won’t be easy getting that many black pilots, as blacks with the skills to be pilots tend to prefer better paying civilian jobs. And there aren’t many black pilots to begin with .

lezz:
war battles are twofold.

(1) Acquirement of weapons.

(2) Having the man power and skills to operate these military aquirement in battle situation.

Southafrican soldiers is a true reflection of your companies, firms, and institutions. The legislation of fixing 75% blacks in areas they lack expertise has ruin everything in southafrica- ESPECIALLY YOUR MILITARY .

Read this Four months after admitting that 12 of its 26 Gripen jet fighters had been placed in storage because they were too expensive to operate and there were not enough qualified pilots to fly them, South African officials admitted that the maintenance contracts for all the Gripens had expired in April. That made long term use of the Gripens dangerous. This contract was with a reliable, and expensive, South African firm (Denel). The maintenance contracts pay for ongoing support for the aircraft to include updates and warnings on problems other users have encountered as well as access to manufacturer engineers and maintenance experts. Aircraft become more dangerous to operate (if they operate at all) without regular maintenance and these maintenance contracts are a critical part of that. Some South African politicians are now calling for the Gripens to be sold, as there is not likely to be sufficient money to operate them and retain qualified pilots.

Currently only about half of the remaining 14 Gripens are flyable and there are only six qualified Gripen pilots. Corruption, shrinking defense budgets, and political pressure to find more black combat pilots and technical personnel has led to the South African Air Force having fewer operational aircraft. All this has been going on for over a decade.

For example, back in 2009, the South African Air Force stopped automatically releasing data on how many hours combat pilots flew for training. When the numbers were finally obtained, it was discovered that in 2008, fighter pilots were in the air for 325 hours (less than two hours a month per pilot). In contrast, pilots on VIP flights (carrying politicians and government officials) were up there 1,932 hours. There are about fifty transports and 80 helicopters in the air force at the time, and that number has continued to shrink.

In 2009, the air force had only twenty fighter pilots and only nine Gripen fighters. The remaining 17 were delivered by 2012. In 2008, the last of the 66 Cheetah fighters (rebuilt French Mirage IIIs) were retired. In 2008, the last full year that Cheetahs were operational, fighter pilots got 2,084 hours in the air and the year before that it was 2,448 hours. It’s believed that only six of those twenty fighter pilots were competent to handle these aircraft in combat. Most competent pilots have left the air force because of the lack of flying hours. Many of the pilots remaining got in under a quota system that attempts to add more racial diversity to the air force.

Not surprisingly, many South Africans believe that the South African Air Force (SAAF) has been falling apart for years. The most obvious evidence of this is the decrepit state of aging buildings, runways, and aircraft. But the biggest problem is getting, and keeping, technical people. This is complicated by a government program to integrate previously all white institutions. This has been most difficult in areas that require a lot of technical training and education. Like pilots and aircraft maintainers.

The government has set a racial goal for SAAF pilots and wants them to be 75 percent black and 25 percent white. A lack of qualified black air force personnel means that this goal has still not been met. The morale problem started getting a lot worse back in 2005, when the three top rated graduates of pilot training school, who would normally go on to fly fighters, were told that, because they were white, they would instead fly helicopters or transports. Three less qualified black pilots would go on to fly fighters. When commanders noted the morale problem, and public outcry, they declared that it was no longer the policy to send the best pilots to fighters but to spread the best pilots around to all flying communities.

The problem here is that flying fighters is the technically most demanding job for pilots, and the best pilots only stay in the SAAF to fly fighters. If they wanted to fly helicopters or transports they could make more money, and fly more often, as civilian pilots. So the SAAF is ending up with less competent fighter pilots (which ultimately results in more accidents) and fewer, and less capable, helicopter and transport pilots as well. Since the SAAF pilots are currently selected more for their race than for their ability, the morale of most pilots will remain quite low.

A similar situation occurs in other technical specialties, like maintaining the aircraft. Fewer whites are enlisting for these jobs, and more existing techs are quitting for civilian jobs. There is also pressure on civilian airlines to integrate, but the pressure is not as great because politicians fly those airliners and want the highest quality pilots and maintainers for those aircraft.

Even with the current situation it won’t be easy getting that many black pilots, as blacks with the skills to be pilots tend to prefer better paying civilian jobs. And there aren’t many black pilots to begin with .

ancient artical that has long since been debunked

consult the archives

Patchesagain:


ancient artical that has long since been debunked

consult the archives

hahahaha. That source is 2013. But don't worry, I never expected anything less. The same way you people claimed CAR was a huge success despite Zuma having to appear before parliament. Despite the whole world asking "what is southafrica doing in the CAR?

SANDF's latest procurement.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyy7y0QOK-0

Chad doing much work. Saving the shameful Nigerians from themselves.


http://www.reuters.com/news/picture/capturing-boko-haram?articleId=USRTR4RFZ0

lezz:
hahahaha. That source is 2013. But don't worry, I never expected anything less. The same way you people claimed CAR was a huge success despite Zuma having to appear before parliament. Despite the whole world asking "what is southafrica doing in the CAR?

2013 is two years ago.

Parliamentary oversight is normal in democratic countries.

Patchesagain:

2013 is two years ago.
Parliamentary oversight is normal in democratic countries.

Zuma is the commander in chief after all - a job that parliament needs to make sure he remains accountable for.

BRICS power. BRICS history. BRICS ties. While others claim to have made a contribution no one knows or cares about.

Anti-Apartheid Heroes Return to South Africa From Resting Place in Russia

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/anti-apartheid-heroes-return-to-south-africa-from-resting-place-in-russia/516633.html

Decades after having been laid to rest among eminent Russians, buried around the corner from writer Nikolai Gogol and Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev, two South African anti-apartheid revolutionaries are finally going home.


Kotane, a lifelong communist with peasant roots, served as the general secretary of the South African Communist Party (SACP) from 1939 until his death in 1978. In the early 1930s, Kotane was sent by his party to Moscow's International Lenin School, operated by the Communist International, for one year. Kotane returned to his homeland after his studies, but in 1963 fled to Tanzania amid widespread persecution of anti-apartheid activists. He returned to the country of his alma mater to seek treatment after suffering a stroke in 1968. He spent the last decade of his life in Moscow, dying there in 1978.

Libyan Ratel:

lezz:
pun aside, you're one keystroke away from google.
Or maybe you don't even know a thing about the southafrica you are defending.

Just accept you were wrong.

Zuma never sang what you say he sang in parliament.

agaugust:


Nigeria produces weapons/equipment domestically from body armour, night vision goggles, to rifles, to heavy machine guns, to mortars, to APCs, LAVs with twin 23mm cannon, Drones/UAV, rocket pods, etc. Enough to fight as a mechanized infantry
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Motorised not mechanised.

Patchesagain:


Did you read the artical?

They lost money because Dangote mills is not a profitable enterprise

Not only that, the dangote mills has been losing money like no other business. It has already made a loss of 5 billion naiara already this year.
http://richnigerianpharmacists.com/south-african-tiger-brand-loses-82-billion-to-dangote-business-lessons/

How is a company that is in the process of bottoming out rapeing our economy?

I thought you were an accountant.

Bwahahaha

The story is very clear and simple English language, read the topic again....

SOUTH AFRICAN TIGER BRAND LOSES $82 MILLION TO DANGOTE – BUSINESS LESSONS

That is what accountants call over-valuation on merger/acquisition.

Dangote was smart, he over-valued his Dangote mills and made your M.oronic South African businessmen with ZERO mathematical thinking, to pay excess, Dangote was overpaid by you Dumbazz Domingo South Africans to the tune of over ONE BILLION RANDS CASH....Dangote is R.aping South African economy because Nigerians are more intelligent that your ANC Domingo nation of mumus
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Patchesagain:
South Africa is aquiring new torpedoes

DM2A4 Seehecht

- completely immune to countermeasures
- 50km range
- 90kph speed

Name the torpedoes, name the exporter and show us proof of a signed sales contract.

A400M Airbus story is now SANDF's new way of life, boast first and cancel purchase later for lack of funds
.

Patchesagain:


You complained so hard about off topic posting - yet you are the main culprit

I am highlighting your hypocrisy

You started it, I complained, you continued it....Your own off topic posts are all over this thread, like this...

Patchesagain:


Did you read the artical?

They lost money because Dangote mills is not a profitable enterprise

Not only that, the dangote mills has been losing money like no other business. It has already made a loss of 5 billion naiara already this year.
http://richnigerianpharmacists.com/south-african-tiger-brand-loses-82-billion-to-dangote-business-lessons/

How is a company that is in the process of bottoming out rapeing our economy?

I thought you were an accountant.

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I was just glancing through wikipedia about the Patria AFV when I saw that the self built Badger of SA was a licensed built variant of the Patria just as the rosomak!

#Shocked to my bones

charlos14:
I was just glancing through wikipedia about the Patria AFV when I saw that the self built Badger of SA was a licensed built variant of the Patria just as the rosomak!

#Shocked to my bones

You thought Badger was originally a South African product?

Southies are frauds, they even claim Benz and BMW are South African brands

Msauza:


All that started with a paper dummy!! .

South African defence purchases have been on paper for many years now like project Biro navy plan, all paper, no money, no OPV
.

agaugust:


South African defence purchases have been on paper for many years now like project Biro navy plan, all paper, no money, no OPV
.

Biro goes to tender this year.

The Nigerian navy can't challenge SAN at sea.

agaugust:


You thought Badger was originally a South African product?

Southies are frauds, they even claim Benz and BMW are South African brands

They emphasized so much on it that it was seemed like a Denel product henceforth, I will take any of their tales with a pinch of Salt.

Let me take a screenshot of the wikipedia page before they go and edit it

agaugust:


Bwahahaha

The story is very clear and simple English language, read the topic again....

SOUTH AFRICAN TIGER BRAND LOSES $82 MILLION TO DANGOTE – BUSINESS LESSONS

That is what accountants call over-valuation on merger/acquisition.

Dangote was smart, he over-valued his Dangote mills and made your M.oronic South African businessmen with ZERO mathematical thinking, to pay excess, Dangote was overpaid by you Dumbazz Domingo South Africans to the tune of over ONE BILLION RANDS CASH....Dangote is R.aping South African economy because Nigerians are more intelligent that your ANC Domingo nation of mumus
.

No.

Dangote's buisness is floundering and failing.

That is what is happening.

agaugust:


Name the torpedoes, name the exporter and show us proof of a signed sales contract.

A400M Airbus story is now SANDF's new way of life, boast first and cancel purchase later for lack of funds
.

I named the torpedoes

the exporter is germany

The aquisition has been budgeted for and publically announced.

We have purchased many things since the A400M and more importantly the A400M was not cancelled for a lack of funds

Are you going to contribute to this thread or are you going to continue wasting our time?

agaugust:


South African defence purchases have been on paper for many years now like project Biro navy plan, all paper, no money, no OPV
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Because we do not rush buy like Nigeria, we also do not buy off the shelf products like Nigeria.

We perform studies, we develop local industry, we involve stake-holders, we ensure parliamentary transparency - all lessons we learnt from the arms deal and all things that take time. Even the Defense Review - since it was released the Minister of Finance has said it will be implemented in the 2015/2016 financial year, everything is going as planned.

In just 2 years we have ordered 236 brand new world class IFV's, introduced production of a domestic missile, released tenders for 3 frigate sized OPV's and 3 500t IPV's, a brand new Hydrographic vessel as well as new tugs, completed another phase of the GBADS project, put plans in place for Africa's first Cyber Warfare center, acquired a world class spy satellite, acquired the MILES system, while the development of our 100km SAM, Mobile SAM launchers, armed UAV and precision glide-bomb are nearing the end of their development.

These are simple facts, I cannot beleive you are immature enough to try to argue about this. I believe it is indicative of the desperation you feel when you realize that a peacetime nation is aquiring better equipment than your own nation, despite the fact that you are at war.

charlos14:


They emphasized so much on it that it was seemed like a Denel product henceforth, I will take any of their tales with a pinch of Salt.

Let me take a screenshot of the wikipedia page before they go and edit it

70% of the Badger IFV is South African, we have allready sold components of the vehicle to malaysia (something only the original manufacturer can do)

No one ever disputed that it is based on the Patria AMV - infact many of us pointed that out when the combat record of the vehicle was called into question.