charlos14:


They emphasized so much on it that it was seemed like a Denel product henceforth, I will take any of their tales with a pinch of Salt.

Let me take a screenshot of the wikipedia page before they go and edit it

The Badger uses the Patria suspension and chassis only. All other weapons and subsystems are South African. You cannot buy a Badger IFV in any other country exexpt for South Africa. Fact.

The fact that you are only finding this out now shows that you are new to this forum. Dont bother with your screenshot.....added useless information we already know.

Patchesagain:


Because we do not rush buy like Nigeria, we also do not buy off the shelf products like Nigeria.

We perform studies, we develop local industry, we involve stake-holders, we ensure parliamentary transparency - all lessons we learnt from the arms deal and all things that take time. Even the Defense Review - since it was released the Minister of Finance has said it will be implemented in the 2015/2016 financial year, everything is going as planned.

In just 2 years we have ordered 236 brand new world class IFV's, introduced production of a domestic missile, released tenders for 3 frigate sized OPV's and 3 500t IPV's, a brand new Hydrographic vessel as well as new tugs, completed another phase of the GBADS project, put plans in place for Africa's first Cyber Warfare center, acquired a world class spy satellite, acquired the MILES system, while the development of our 100km SAM, Mobile SAM launchers, armed UAV and precision glide-bomb are nearing the end of their development.

These are simple facts, I cannot beleive you are immature enough to try to argue about this. I believe it is indicative of the desperation you feel when you realize that a peacetime nation is aquiring better equipment than your own nation, despite the fact that you are at war.

The Umbani glide bomb is already doing well in tests in the UAE.

The development is complete.

Patchesagain:


70% of the Badger IFV is South African, we have allready sold components of the vehicle to malaysia (something only the original manufacturer can do)

No one ever disputed that it is based on the Patria AMV - infact many of us pointed that out when the combat record of the vehicle was called into question.

more like 70% Finnish. It is modular meaning it is interchangable

agaugust:


Bwahahaha

The story is very clear and simple English language, read the topic again....

SOUTH AFRICAN TIGER BRAND LOSES $82 MILLION TO DANGOTE – BUSINESS LESSONS

That is what accountants call over-valuation on merger/acquisition.

Dangote was smart, he over-valued his Dangote mills and made your M.oronic South African businessmen with ZERO mathematical thinking, to pay excess, Dangote was overpaid by you Dumbazz Domingo South Africans to the tune of over ONE BILLION RANDS CASH....Dangote is R.aping South African economy because Nigerians are more intelligent that your ANC Domingo nation of mumus
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You analysis is unqualified and incompetent for someone who has qualifications in Accounting. This is happening in Nigeria so how does it affect the economy of SA. The SA companies operate in Nigerian economy r.aping every sector to bits.

saengine:


The Badger uses the Patria suspension and chassis only. All other weapons and subsystems are South African. You cannot buy a Badger IFV in any other country exexpt for South Africa. Fact.

The fact that you are only finding this out now shows that you are new to this forum. Dont bother with your screenshot.....added useless information we already know.

http://patria.fi/en/media/news/denel-and-patria-announce-agreement-armoured-wheeled-vehicles-south-africa

This shows that the vehicle will be assembled in South Africa

charlos14:

http://patria.fi/en/media/news/denel-and-patria-announce-agreement-armoured-wheeled-vehicles-south-africa

This shows that the vehicle will be assembled in South Africa

The Patria and Badger will use different weapon systems. The US also have their own version of patria called Havoc.

Lockheed Martin Havoc.

MikeCZAR:
The Umbani glide bomb is already doing well in tests in the UAE.

The development is complete.

I am talking about the Raptor 3

charlos14:

more like 70% Finnish. It is modular meaning it is interchangable

No - literally 70% South African.

This is old content, consult the archives.

charlos14:

http://patria.fi/en/media/news/denel-and-patria-announce-agreement-armoured-wheeled-vehicles-south-africa

This shows that the vehicle will be assembled in South Africa

The Rand 8.3 billion program for 264 vehicles involves the largest single contract Denel has landed in its 16-year history, and South African companies will deliver more than 70% of the total value of the contract.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/denel-patria-building-south-africas-next-ifv-03317/

Patchesagain:


I am talking about the Raptor 3

Oh ya!

With a range of 300km+ and almost impossible to jam, serious weapon.

Patchesagain:


The Rand 8.3 billion program for 264 vehicles involves the largest single contract Denel has landed in its 16-year history, and South African companies will deliver more than 70% of the total value of the contract.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/denel-patria-building-south-africas-next-ifv-03317/

Denel is the OEM(Original equipment manufacture).

South Africa will make a kill should it acquire this weapon of mass destruction. All you need to do is that you programme it with the coordinates of the target and leave it to do the job from a distance of 300 KM away. SANDF will rule Africa with Raptor III.

Msauza:



You analysis is unqualified and incompetent for someone who has qualifications in Accounting. This is happening in Nigeria so how does it affect the economy of SA. The SA companies operate in Nigerian economy r.aping every sector to bits.

tiger brand takes out money from SA, invest it in another country and loses it.. and that's a Nigerian problem ... erm ... I'm I missing something?

Msauza:
South Africa will make a kill should it acquire this weapon of mass destruction. All you need to do is that you programme it with the coordinates of the target and leave it to do the job from a distance of 300 KM away. SANDF will rule Africa with Raptor III.

Deep battlefield interdiction.

Patchesagain:


No - literally 70% South African.

This is old content, consult the archives.

Sharap!!!! That vehicle you call a badger, doesn't change the fact you are only assembling it.

The only thing not finish in the vehicle is it's turret.

saengine:


The Badger uses the Patria suspension and chassis only. All other weapons and subsystems are South African. You cannot buy a Badger IFV in any other country exexpt for South Africa. Fact.

The fact that you are only finding this out now shows that you are new to this forum. Dont bother with your screenshot.....added useless information we already know.

SANDF Badger is 70% a product of Finland, no chassis no IFV
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charlos14:

more like 70% Finnish.

I just said the same thing above.

AugustineAgain:


SANDF Badger is 70% a product of Finland, no chassis no IFV
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They don't understand what modular mean!

Patchesagain:


No - literally 70% South African.

This is old content, consult the archives.

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The archives show that Finland owns and exports the whole engine chassis to you.

No engine no chassis from Finland = No Badger vehicle for SANDF.

Engine and chassis make up 70% of the existence and mobility of a any vehicle on earth !

SANDF will have to mount your DENEL 30mm cannon on a donkey if Finland decides to stop selling the engine and chassis to you
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God bless NA!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaY3veJg7gs#t=361

Patchesagain:


The Rand 8.3 billion program for 264 vehicles involves the largest single contract Denel has landed in its 16-year history, and South African companies will deliver more than 70% of the total value of the contract.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/denel-patria-building-south-africas-next-ifv-03317/

Your 70% is papar overhead costs value, NOT technical input. Paper value....70% made up of labourers in factory assembly line, tyres, seats/chairs, footmats, body spray paint and 30 mm cannon....that's what South Africa adds to the Badger
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MikeCZAR:
Oh ya!

With a range of 300km+ and almost impossible to jam, serious weapon.

You don't have it.

Guided bombs get shot down by enemy air defences, your Raptor weapon will be good against Lesotho or Burundi
...anyway you don't even have it
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Patchesagain:


I named the torpedoes

the exporter is germany

The aquisition has been budgeted for and publically announced.

We have purchased many things since the A400M and more importantly the A400M was not cancelled for a lack of funds

Are you going to contribute to this thread or are you going to continue wasting our time?

When your own argument is being d.emolished, you classify it as waste of time by the person conquering you
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Patchesagain:



Augustus, Nigeria has never faced an enemy with a modern airforce, you have never deployed in a hostile airspace

SAAF has allmost 60 Aces since WW1

Combat experience is not as important as training, and we train far more than you.

SAAF has no aviation fuel to even fly pilots to meet standard qualifying hours. Soon your jets will be fueled with cooking oil.

Your Gripen jets have ZERO training missiles, Nigeria has training missiles on F-7 jets.

SAAF world war II pilots of 1940 is what you are using to claim champion in year 2015 ? D.ead p.ilots don't fly aircraft, SAAF has no living ace existing.

SAAF was defeated in Angolan war by Cuban teenagers flying MiG-23, SAAF was NEVER ably to fly air to air and challenge those boys, talk less of sh.ooting down any MiG-23 in combat.

SAAF has NEVER fired ANY single missile on Gripen jets, NEVER dropped any bomb on Hawk jets, SAAF combat pilots today 2015 have ZERO experience of missile combat air to air on their aircraft.

NAF flew 5,390 combat sorties of ground attack, ISTAR, and logistics in 1 year alone, SAAF has not flown ANY SINGLE combat sortie in 20 years.

The South African air force is TOTALLY D.EAD
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Only two African air forces have modern day air to air missile combat experience :

1. Ethiopia
2. Eritrea

Only one African air force has modern day air to ground bomb, rocket, cannon, and guided missile combat experience :

1. Nigeria.....Giant Of Africa[/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m775Ve5x31o
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We are dealing with BH seriously !

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After 5,390 combat sorties by the indomitable Nigerian Air Force and 30,000 combat troops/armour/artillery rapid speed shock operation by the lightning offensive master Nigerian Army....

Egypt is calling on Nigeria to help them fight ISIS in Libya

The most powerful African and Arab nation on earth is asking Nigeria for military help

Egypt does not even know South Africa exists with their forgotten military !

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"Egyptian Ambassador to Nigeria, Mr. Ashrat Salama, has called on Nigeria and the Africa Union (AU) to collaborate against the terrorist group, Islamic State and ensure the establishment of a multi-national force against it.

This, he said, is necessary to ensure that the terrorist group does not spread on the continent.

Speaking against the backdrop of air strikes recently carried out on IS targets in Libya by the Egyptian Air Force, Salama told journalists in Abuja monday that contrary to the propaganda by IS, no civilian was killed in the offensive.

Egypt carried out the offensive on IS training schools and ammunition storage in Libya in retaliation for the beheading of 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians by the group.

Salama particularly noted that it was necessary for Nigeria to work with Egypt to combat the terrorist group because both nations are not far from each other."

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/central-african-leaders-rally-africa-against-boko-haram/202597/
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Birds of the same feather flock together....Arab giant, Black giant, each dominates the two African regions with an iron fist ![/size]



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AugustineAgain:

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The archives show that Finland owns and exports the whole engine chassis to you.
No engine no chassis from Finland = No Badger vehicle for SANDF.
Engine and chassis make up 70% of the existence and mobility of a any vehicle on earth !
SANDF will have to mount your DENEL 30mm cannon on a donkey if Finland decides to stop selling the engine and chassis to you
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Not the engine anymore? OK noted. Seeing as there is no such argument on the Rooivalk side, we note that the chopper is South Africa as initially stated.

And all licensing databases will say the Badger is South African.

AugustineAgain:
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Birds of the same feather flock together....Arab giant, Black giant, each dominates the two African regions with an iron fist ![/size]



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I agree! Iron fist because democracy is nowhere to be seen. Yes, you are right. Birds of the same feather flock together.

Meanwhile, South Africa does what it does best:

"A new drone will be built with South Africa as Algeria absorbs the lessons of Kosovo, Iraq and Syria; in other words, of asymmetrical warfare. In the process Algeria has become one of the ten largest importers of weapons in the world and the largest in Africa."

https://www.opendemocracy.net/francis-ghilès/libya-containing-danger

Real, tangible work. Not empty stories.

Patchesagain:


2013 is two years ago.

Parliamentary oversight is normal in democratic countries.

indeed it is 2 years ago.
The source says your military does not have enough cash to run your jets.

Parliament is considering selling them off.
You don't have qualified pilots ( just 6) and the airport facility is rotting away.

Man, it going to ge a long hard years of climbing to the level of Angola your neighbour. That's if your country has the political will power, cash and trained pilots to do their bit.

Honestly it's not even a problem that can be solved in 10 years, never mind 2.

Henry120:



Sharap!!!! That vehicle you call a badger, doesn't change the fact you are only assembling it.

The only thing not finish in the vehicle is it's turret.

from parts to the weapon system of the vehicle will all be built in SA. No parts will be shipped to SA other than chassis

AugustineAgain:
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Only two African air forces have modern day air to air missile combat experience :

1. Ethiopia
2. Eritrea

Only one African air force has modern day air to ground bomb, rocket, cannon, and guided missile combat experience :

1. Nigeria.....Giant Of Africa[/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m775Ve5x31o
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South Africa included. They used plenty of them in Angola.