agaugust:


I have always told people not to ignore the good maneuverability of the JF-17, it is one of it's advantages over the Gripen in dog fight.

The JF-17 behaves like a guided missile in the air !

patches689:

The Gripen has superior Thrust/Weight ratio, a greater wing area and is faster - this suggests the opposit of what you are saying. While the Gripen has superior radar meaning it will engage first.

How does this lead to the Gripen being "eaten day and night"

feel free at any time to substantiate your claims

NaijaPikinGidi:


If they have not been contained ... please show me one one recent attack on any village like they had capacity to do previously! Don't tell me about suicide IED detonations. Please face your poachers and armed gangsters.

DictatorZAR:


Ok the monkey got a cheap phone now he thinks he can argue with humans.

What was the percentage of access to basic services pre 1994 less then 30% of the entire country.

Secondly how big was the economy in pre 1994 compared to now.

Its funny how you fools talk about load shedding yet you have less then 20% of South Africa's entire electricity production even under load shedding you still have less power only stinking generators.

For over 60 years Nigeria still don't have a functional railway nor even a world class airport.
Now please go to your romance section, and while you at it go fetch water from your bore hole its getting late, my little waterway sh@it.

Oooops is this what a giant should do after 60 years of independence.

Lezz is this you

http://www.bellanaija.com/2014/11/05/unicef-says-49-million-nigerians-still-defecate-openly/

MikeCZAR:
should I care about your pet.ty opinion?

MikeCZAR:
Junk fighter-17 uses the RD-33 engine. Slightly modified.

FighterPilot:
KHAYELISHA.

Henry120:


You probably are very blind. I pasted the video of that particular flight, and it was no STOL dummy.

The plane is taking off vertically.

The F-22 probably is able to eat every jet, however, with it's "stealth" paint already wearing off, adversaries would be able to mount proper defences before strikes occur.

Anyway with the T-50 soon entering service, the F-22 would soon meet it's match.

FighterPilot:



I might be the so called mumu, [s]but it won't change the fact that the gripen fighter remains the vicious fighter of the century to challenge American destroyers.[/s]

Henry120:


Patches689 you retarrd, it's in by the way, even the JF-17 can do a vertical take-off. I really don't get your obsession with the F-22. Infact the JF-17 can hover for a couple seconds.

JF-17 doing a vertical take off at the paris air show 15.

Henry120:


Buhahahahahaha you paid $68 million for a JF-17.

Looool

Henry120:


RD-93 actually. The funny thing is, the RD-93 has the ability to give 10% more thrust that is actually stated.

Basic level , thrust

Gripen Block 2 : 54.0 KN
Thrust/ weight ratio : 0.97

JF-17 Block 1 : 49.4KN
Thrust/ weight ratio : 0.96


The difference between the 2 engines is so little, when we add the fact that the RD-93 can add 10% more thrust.



You soweto dullards payed 3 times more for a JF-17. LOL!

Henry120:


If you actually understood English, you wouldn't really be asking me this question.

-Radar difference is 10km in favour of the Gripen, just slightly better than the JF-17 block 1.

- JF-17 block 1 has a range of 1350 KM, much much better than the Gripen

- speed Mach 1.8 to Mach 2 in favour of the Gripen C/D

- the JF-17 has a better radar down look detection.

- the JF-17 can carry nuclear missiles, the Gripen cannot.

- the JF-17 has 7 harpoints to the 8 on the Gripen

- the JF-17 is way more manoeuvrable than the Gripen

- the Gripen has a slightly better thrust than the JF-17.

- the G limit is 8 to 8.5 in favour of the Gripen.


If these specifications do not represent an Aircraft that is just as good as the Gripen, and provide the bang-for-the-buck, then your mental limitations not mine.


Aircrafts cost

Gripen: $68 million a unit

JF-17 : $25- 30 million a unit.

Henry120:


You got conned, same way your government got Frigates with an obsolete combat suite.

Congrats, you paid $68 million for a JF-17 thunder.


You South-Africans are first class, grade-A dummies!

Soweto Nation of dullards.

Henry120:


Buhahahahahaha you paid $68 million for a JF-17.

Looool

Henry120:


RD-93 actually. The funny thing is, the RD-93 has the ability to give 10% more thrust that is actually stated.

Basic level , thrust

Gripen Block 2 : 54.0 KN
Thrust/ weight ratio : 0.97

JF-17 Block 1 : 49.4KN
Thrust/ weight ratio : 0.96


The difference between the 2 engines is so little, when we add the fact that the RD-93 can add 10% more thrust.



You soweto dullards payed 3 times more for a JF-17. LOL!

Henry120:


You got conned, same way your government got Frigates with an obsolete combat suite.

Congrats, you paid $68 million for a JF-17 thunder.


You South-Africans are first class, grade-A dummies!

Soweto Nation of dullards.

DictatorZAR:


Ok the monkey got a cheap phone now he thinks he can argue with humans.

What was the percentage of access to basic services pre 1994 less then 30% of the entire country.

Secondly how big was the economy in pre 1994 compared to now.

Its funny how you fools talk about load shedding yet you have less then 20% of South Africa's entire electricity production even under load shedding you still have less power only stinking generators.

For over 60 years Nigeria still don't have a functional railway nor even a world class airport.
Now please go to your romance section, and while you at it go fetch water from your bore hole its getting late, my little waterway sh@it.

Oooops is this what a giant should do after 60 years of independence.

Lezz is this you

http://www.bellanaija.com/2014/11/05/unicef-says-49-million-nigerians-still-defecate-openly/

ssaengine:
http://m.news24.com/news24/Africa/News/Nigeria-treasury-virtually-empty-says-angry-Buhari-20150622

Abuja - Nigeria's president Muhammadu Buhari on Monday slammed the state of the country's finances, claiming his predecessor had left Africa's biggest economy deep in debt and the treasury "virtually empty".



I wonder where they'll get the money to buy "a squadron or 2" of JF-17's. Just thinking out loud.

Patchesagain:


And - the Gripen is constantly upgraded unlike your jf-17

saengine:
MYTH OF 9 SAAF GRIPEN PILOTS SMASHED - PART 2


Pic 1 - Blokkies "Cobra" Joubert. Test and operational pilot

Pic 2 - Another Gripen pilot. Did a solo display at AAD 2014.


That is a total of 15 Gripen pilots purely from pics

Ball is now in Nigeria's court. Show us (with proof) which of these pilots no longer fly for the SAAF. You were brave enough to say 18 aircrew = 9 pilots. So be brave again, show us which of these pilots no longer fly, giving you a total of 9 pilots.

saengine:
5 current Gripen pilots can be seen (sitting on the ground) in 2009 when they were still Hawk pilots (note the different flight suites between Gripen and Hawk). The pilot sitting on the far left/front was in the process of converting from Hawk to Gripen but was killed in a motorbike accident.

Again...ball is in Nigeria's court. #showusyourproof

saengine:
I've been lazy to do this....but I have time on my hands today.

MYTH OF 9 SAAF GRIPEN PILOTS SMASHED


Pic 1 - Gripen pilots who took part in Presidential Inauguration flypast 2009. Pic by SAAF photographer Christo Crous titled "2 Squadron Gripen pilots". Taken from his facebook page.

Pics 2,3,4 - More Gripen pilots who ALL took part in Exercise Lion Effort 2012

agaugust:


[s]Pilots walking on the ground is not same as pilots flying in the air, does your Gripen operate on the floor where those men are walking?

2012 is three years ago, your pilots have lost their combat qualification, they need 150 hours flight each per year, they get just about 12 hours each.....TOTALLY DISQUALIFIED from combat.....SAAF Gripens will fall to even Ugandan air force Su-30 Flankers !


BTWN.....99% of your combat pilots for Gripen are white, and some old men whites ready to retire....Soweto Black Mutant brains CANNOT fly a 4th Generation jet fighter......same story we hear about your Valour frigate and Submarines, one set of crews for each vessel, 1 Frigate 1 Sub is all SAN can deploy to war.

Bank loan can buy you weapons but CANNOT buy you black/coloured btains to operate them [/s]
.

agaugust:


Pilots walking on the ground is not same as pilots flying in the air, does your Gripen operate on the floor where those men are walking?

2012 is three years ago, your pilots have lost their combat qualification, they need 150 hours flight each per year, they get just about 12 hours each.....TOTALLY DISQUALIFIED from combat.....SAAF Gripens will fall to even Ugandan air force Su-30 Flankers !


BTWN.....99% of your combat pilots for Gripen are white, and some old men whites ready to retire....Soweto Black Mutant brains CANNOT fly a 4th Generation jet fighter......same story we hear about your Valour frigate and Submarines, one set of crews for each vessel, 1 Frigate 1 Sub is all SAN can deploy to war.

Bank loan can buy you weapons but CANNOT buy you black/coloured btains to operate them
.

pavri:



T-129 Atak has a protection against 12,7mm AP munitions in cockpit and motor section. Composite rotors are able to withstand against 12,7mm munitions as well.

Atak is inside of light attack helicopter group like Eurocopter tiger and USA AH-1W so Comparing Atak with those copters are more convenient. It is max. take off weights make copters light/heavy class. If costumer requires more agile, manouvrable and active copter on highly mountainous/ difficult terrain conditions to be used against various type of enemy assets, Then It is correct choice to go for light attack helicopters. Europe and Turkey prefers light attack helicopters, While USA hosts both Light and heavy class.

In additions, In terms of power to weight ratio, Atak is one of the most powerfull attack helicopter when It is compared with equivalents Tiger/AH-1W. That's why Turkish pilots call T129 as "Ferrari of sky". Even If Atak is classified as a light attack helicopter, She is able to cope with heavy attack helicopters in terms of some performance specifications such as range, endurance, rate of climb, speed. If you check out some T129 videos, You will see How agile and quick responsible It is.

At present, Turkey commenced trials of T-129 B1 variant which is a multi-role variant (Anti-tank/COIN/Surveillance mission on one platform that 360 degree covered by Electronic warfare sensors and computers to survive against coming missile).



Atak uses two different Anti-tank missile called Mizrak-UIIR(IIR guided fire forget) and Mizrak-UL (Lazer guided) (which is developed by Roketsan) against heavy armoured units . Mizrak tandem warhead is able to penetrate 1100mm+ RHA armours. IIR variant is more expensive than lazer guided variant, since IIR has fire/forget and top attack modes. Atak is able to carry 8 Mizrak missiles but in accordance with mission requirements, It can be increased to 12. It is a satisfied number of anti-tank missile payload When compared with AH-1W and Eurocopter Tiger.



For less armoured units, Turkish missile maker developed a cheaper/smaller precision strike missile called Cirit. The equivalents are under development phase so Cirit is the first 2,75 inch semi active lazer guided missile system of the World and Turkey offers this missile to costumers. United Arab emirated ordered 10,000 Cirit missiles from Turkey.



Out of those missiles, Atak is able to carry 76 unguided rockets. No need to mention Air to air missile payload.

Avionic systems are highly advanced and dijital. T-129 Atak B1 variant is offered with obstacle detection system, lazer based wire detection system and moving map options. MMW radar will be an option since It rises the cost but offers a serious strategic capability to costumers for land target detection/engagement options. Central computer is checking everything instead of you and when copter is under a danger, EW sensors receive the type of data and inform pilots regarding it and automatically generate a counter attack thanks to jammer, chaff, flare munitions.

STM moving map/Realistic 3D navigation mode
[img]http://focusflite.stm.com.tr/upload/Node/1817/xpics/s5.p1.jpg[/img]

Helmet mounted display system is developed by Aselsan. It reflects all neccessary flight parameters to pilots, While control 20mm gathling gun and advanced electro-optic Flir called AselFlir-300T with head movements. AselFlir-300T is able to identify and detect a target with a range from 25km.

[img]http://kokpit.aero//image/cache/data/Resimler/Resimler/aselsan/avci/atakkask2-600x400.jpg[/img]

BTW, Munition stores hosts 600 20mm munitions, not 500.

Atak production documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DFI3fNVqYI

Atak in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9M2SXVaKGY

Nigerian pilot students with T-129 Atak in Turkey
[img]http://kokpit.aero//image/data/P1120961.JPG[/img]

Nutuk:
[img]http://kokpit.aero//image/data/P1120961.JPG[/img]

And to answer on the discussion whether these are Nigerian students I cannot really confirm but I know that Nigerian military students are trained in Turkey and the uniforms they are wearing are Turkish cadet uniforms. So it is impossibile to tell from uniform whether they are Nigerian of Somali, but they do not look like Ethiopians and Somalians to me (again I am not sure)