DoctorAlien:


The Bible encourages it, BUT DOES NOT REQUIRE IT!

The encouragement is enough

DoctorAlien:


The Bible encourages it, BUT DOES NOT REQUIRE IT!

The encouragement is enough.BTW we have married priests in the Catholic church

What did 1 Timothy 4 say
1 Timothy 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

It says that a time will come when men will forbid people from marriage. It's not from God. You don't know this one yet you gave us Bible and you are the first church. Nonsense. Do you know when Islam started and you can see how fast they are growing. When they started and their population doesn't make them a true religion.

PaChukwudi44:

The encouragement is enough.BTW we have married priests in the Catholic church

Married Priests kwa. Continue smoothly in your delusion. It suits you well. After you don't have a choice. You must be deluded except God helps you

Prosper123:


No wonder they barred people from reading the Bible in the beginning, saying it's only for the Priests. This was an intention to maneuver the people like in payment of money for penance

You don't know half of what Catholicism is about.

Prosper123:


Married Priests kwa. Continue smoothly in your delusion. It suits you well. After you don't have a choice. You must be deluded except God helps you

Bros Google will cure your ignorance. We have priests in the Catholic church today that are married

analize701:
You don't know half of what Catholicism is about.

I know. Idolatry, sodomy, hypocrisy,heresy

PaChukwudi44:

Bros Google will cure your ignorance. We have priests in the Catholic church today that are married

of course. Many priests are married. Secretly married. Or married by mistake.

analize701:


What are you saying? A celibates should not have any sexual attraction at all, whether to men or woman, except you are trying to say, they are indeed not celibates.


Apostle Paul was celibate, we never heard he was attracted to women.

What a shame. All the lies and deception.

sorry dear but this is so dull.


why shouldn't a celibate man have sexual attraction, is he an alien? sorry dear, that sounded stupid.


every human being I know has a person or persons he is attracted to, it is natural and part of our make up, that one chooses not to express this natural attraction doesn't make them disappear.

I am celibate, neither lust or formication or porn or sexual immorality of any sort is acceptable in my life but that doesn't change the fact that I am attracted to ladies and sometimes I just thank God for his creation.


every human has sexuality it is part of how God made us, even when we decide not to give it rein it is still just as we all feel the urge to eat even though some people like fasting.


in as much as the apostle Paul was a human like me and you, he had sexuality and was at one time or the other sexually attracted to someone even though he was celibate

Prosper123:
of course. Many priests are married. Secretly married. Or married by mistake.

not secretly or by mistake. priest may be married. there are many married priest and it has been so for centuries.

hopefulLandlord:


er, Celibacy and attraction are two different things

a Celibate would chose not to act on the attraction but getting the attraction doesn't mean he/she was not celibate to begin with

please help me inform him.he can't differentiate between an attraction and the act.



dear Lord why do certain Protestants suddenly lose their reasoning faculty any time they hear any thing about the Catholic Church?

analize701:
Question: "What is the cause of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church? Why are there pedophile priests in the Roman Catholic Church?"

Answer: In recent years, hundreds, if not thousands, of individuals have come forward claiming sexual abuse from priests in the Roman Catholic Church. Numerous "pedophile priests" have been identified. Sadly, rather than defrocking the priests (removing from the priesthood), the Catholic Church has in most instances attempted to cover up the sexual abuse by transferring the offending priest(s) to different parishes. The scandal and attempted cover-up continues to expand, reaching all the way to the papacy itself. So, what is the cause of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church? Why does pedophilia seem to be such a common problem among Roman Catholic priests?


what is the cause of the sexual abuse that has taken place in the Roman Catholic Church? Our contention is that the unbiblical requirement that priests be celibate is a primary cause. It is biblical to say that celibacy can be useful to ministry (1 Corinthians 7:32-34). At the same time, it is completely unbiblical for any church to require celibacy of its leaders. In the qualifications of church leadership (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9), the apostle Paul assumes that bishops, elders, overseers, and deacons will be married and have children. While these qualifications should not be viewed as requiring marriage/family to serve in church leadership, they are most definitely an allowance for married men to serve as leaders in the church. It is, therefore, completely anti-biblical for any church to require celibacy of its leaders.

The unbiblical requirement of celibacy on priests in the Roman Catholic Church likely contributes to sexual abuse in that men whom God never intended to be celibate are forced into celibacy, resulting in sexual tension and stress. Also, the stricture of celibacy is appealing to some men with abnormal sexual tendencies who view the priesthood as a means of keeping their desires under control. These men find that external rules do little to change the heart, and, when they give in to sexual temptations, the result is unnatural sexual acts, such as homosexuality or pedophilia.

Compounding the problem is the Catholic teaching of “once a priest, always a priest.” The fact that the “sacred ordination” cannot be invalidated has contributed to a reluctance to defrock pedophile priests. When abusive priests are transferred to different parishes, the same behavior is repeated. Also, lax rule enforcement and cover-ups have encouraged the application of pedophiles to the priesthood. Many pedophiles see the priesthood as a means of easy, unsupervised access to children.

Whatever the cause of the sexual abuse in the church, pedophile priests should be arrested and punished just as any other pedophile would be. Anyone covering up or, by negligence, enabling pedophilia in the church should be prosecuted. A priest who has sexually abused anyone should never be allowed back into church leadership, as he could most definitely not be considered "above reproach" (1 Timothy 3:2).

The pedophile priest scandal in the Roman Catholic Church is absolutely horrid. There is nothing more antithetical to the message of Christ than priests sexually abusing children. May God use this scandal to awaken the church of Jesus Christ to the presence of apostates within the church and to strongly motivate the church to be fully biblical in all of its beliefs and practices.

if the cause of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church is celibacy abeg tell me what is the cause of sexual abuse in the Protestant Church?


dear Lord save us from hypocrisy.

Prosper123:
What did 1 Timothy 4 say
1 Timothy 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

It says that a time will come when men will forbid people from marriage. It's not from God. You don't know this one yet you gave us Bible and you are the first church. Nonsense. Do you know when Islam started and you can see how fast they are growing. When they started and their population doesn't make them a true religion.

if you want to know what it means to forbid marriage read up the carthars, don't just come and spew half ignorant rubbish.

Prosper123:


Many Priest who were gays were not defrocked. Make research very well. Like the ones I encountered, even my friend. How can you know if I don't tell you. Many are hidden. The system is the fault. Let's use our common sense, how can Priest or expect men to die celibate in this generation. You can't cheat nature. That is why even the papacy advocated for marriage in Priesthood

actually the Bible says you can cheat nature for it tells us some people will be celibate for the sake of God's kingdom.

if it is impossible as you claimed, the Bible won't say it can be done. that means you are wrong and incorrect.

analize701:

Fine, Since he is not to act on that attraction as a Celibate Priest, why did he declare it?

because there are many people in America who has same sex attraction and the world is telling them that it is right and good to act out this attraction and that those who don't act it out are simply archaic, the lgbt crowd will advise such people to commit sodomy, he is presenting his own life to show that such narrative is untrue... one may suffer same sex attraction without giving in to sodomy but instead work for God.


his life is an example that one can resist temptations to sodomy even when he suffers SSA.

in his own words,
“Because of this, there are no authentic role models of
healthy, well-balanced, gay, celibate priests to be an
example for those, young and old, who are struggling
to come to terms with their sexual orientation.This only
perpetuates the toxic shaming and systemic secrecy.”

DoctorAlien:
Is anyone surprised that homosexuality, child abuse and all forms of abominable sexual sins pervade the ranks of Catholic priesthood, where everyone of them is required to be celibate?

I am not surprised at all. Some of their popes did even worse.

now we can all start listing every Church leader we know in an apparent shit throwing contest.

even in your Protestant churches without celibacy we still find homosexuality, child abuse and all forms of abominable sexual sins in their clergy...did the bad Catholic popes also cause that one.

Prosper123:


He didn't make an outrageous claim; it is true. How can you tell a man not to marry in this generation and expect him to remain a celibate. Many of the Priests you see today are gays, or womanizers. I am talking from experience. One wanted to commit gay sex with me. Another confronted my friend. It normally starts from seminary schools. I passed seminary school, went there for interview. We slept over. That night was something else. After, I couldn't study there again. The Reverend father in my secondary school who was the manager was carrying women like water. The students even filmed him 'dealing with women'. All these are real among us. The truth must be told no matter who is involved

we can start throwing our rumours around abi?

my friend who is a receptionist in a hotel also told me a story of a popular married pastor who is a sex machine and sends lots of time with prostitutes after buying condom.

I have a feeling I can match you story for story, did celibacy cause that too.

analize701:

Now the Catholic Priest has declared his abominable stance, we should all treat it as a normal thing, but when an Anglican Priest declared his, you Catholics called a Crusade against the Protestants abi?

And, lying or fornication is a sin, but homosexuality is an abomination. YHWH said that, i didn't.

I judged you a very intelligent person. pls don't say this, it's a spoiler.

If this man does not commit Sodomy with other Priests or people outside the Priesthood, why then is it important for him to publicly declare it?

If i don't drink, why should i go about declaring publicly that i have thirst or longing for Alcohol?

Why will i do that except i want to declare my stance in case someone sees me drinking alcohol, so it won't seem a shock to the person?

Abeg sir. What that priest has done is telling everyone that he has no interest for women unlike other priests, his preference is for men and no one shd be surprised in case he is seen handling a boy.

if I am an alcoholic who doesn't drink then my story may help other struggling with alcoholism.


no one said sodomy is okay but I won't compare a celibate Catholic priest with same sex attraction to a Protestant minister who has both a gay boy friend and got married in a Protestant church with the Church agreeing.

one is committing an "abomination" the other isn't.

analize701:

So now it's competition?

The difference between you Catholics and us is that, you cover your sins up and defend your evils, but we expose the evil people in our midst.

Satan hates to be exposed, he does everything to protect his acts and cover up.

Saaaaad.

actually the article Chukwudi referenced says you guys also cover your sins... the only difference is that you guys have small mushroom churches so when you guys are caught few people learn of it.

analize701:

I see you don't kbow that when you type with Higher Keys/ Caplocks it means shouting.

Like i said, i have no time for take you up on this, keep on with your Hellenistic pagan religion.

but Chukwudi has enough charity to engage a follower of 16 century invention of men heretic.

LOL. Benedictus

Prosper123:
of course. Many priests are married. Secretly married. Or married by mistake.

nothing like secretely married.We have recognized married men who are priests of the catholic church

Prosper, I thought you knew so much about the Catholic Church. How come you never knew there are married Priests in the Catholic Church?
Perhaps, you knew nothing at all.

AkunnaTochi:
Prosper, I thought you knew so much about the Catholic Church. How come you never knew there are married Priests in the Catholic Church?
Perhaps, you knew nothing at all.

we have married priests. But they choose celibacy immediately they decide for priesthood.

I know. We Igbos and Catholicism. Go on and defend evil. Give the Priest another standing ovation. Who cares. I speak the truth no matter what. The other time I posted about Adeboye using wooden staff to pray. I don't pamper evil. Even if it happened in my room. That's the difference between us both. Eeh? Go on. Die for catholic. I don't give a bleep. Afterall you will see how you have failed yourselves. Evil continues to rule because of people like you..

Prosper123:
we have married priests. But they choose celibacy immediately they decide for priesthood.

We have married priests in the Catholic church living with their wives.They don't practice celibacy

Prosper123:
I know. We Igbos and Catholicism. Go on and defend evil. Give the Priest another standing ovation. Who cares. I speak the truth no matter what. The other time I posted about Adeboye using wooden staff to pray. I don't pamper evil. Even if it happened in my room. That's the difference between us both. Eeh? Go on. Die for catholic. I don't give a bleep. Afterall you will see how you have failed yourselves. Evil continues to rule because of people like you..

Igbo's make up less than 3% of the Catholic church. That the holy ghost fathers came to evangelize in the east when the Protestants stayed back in Europe is not our business

All knowing Prosper, Celibacy is only a discipline in the Catholic Church. There are indeed married Catholic Priests who live with their wives and children. You talk so much for someone who knows so little.
In your omniscience, I hope you understand what I mean by celibacy being a discipline in the Church.

According to you, Catholics support evil and you don't. Congratulations. But please, humility is a virtue and it will do you some good if you'd humble yourself and learn.
It doesn't look good when supposed adult Christians brandish their ignorance in public.

God bless you.

Prosper123:
we have married priests. But they choose celibacy immediately they decide for priesthood.

Do yourself some good - talk less and study more.

AkunnaTochi:


Do yourself some good - talk less and study more.

And defend evil. Study the history of Catholicism and not the doctored one by your papacy. You are the one bemused for defending evil. If we have priests who are married what stops the church from allowing those promiscuous ones from getting married too. Sheepishly defending nonsense. Read 1 Timothy 4:3 where the Bible said that in the latter days men will forbid others from getting married. Anyway I remember you people hardly study the Bible. Check in your bulletin then. It's even recently you people started doing some things like praying in the Holy Ghost or even using the Bible just to cage men in deception. Please don't quote me again. My last statement on this : The catholic church will keep reducing as men find out more in the church. Good bye

Prosper123:

And defend evil. Study the history of Catholicism and not the doctored one by your papacy. You are the one bemused for defending evil. If we have priests who are married what stops the church from allowing those promiscuous ones from getting married too. Sheepishly defending nonsense. Read 1 Timothy 4:3 where the Bible said that in the latter days men will forbid others from getting married. Anyway I remember you people hardly study the Bible. Check in your bulletin then. It's even recently you people started doing some things like praying in the Holy Ghost or even using the Bible just to cage men in deception. Please don't quote me again. My last statement on this : The catholic church will keep reducing as men find out more in the church. Good bye

When foolery is taken for wisdom and understanding, then the end becomes the terminus ad quem.

Ignorance and arrogance - very deadly combination.

I recently stopped entertaining banter but I'll respond to this.

analize701:


I agree, but if the same Bishop is also gay? What happens?

even if Gos forbids the bishop is gay he is still duty bound to examine the lives of priest under his jurisdiction and deal with issues prudently and wisely.

You can't be serous, or rather, they are not serious. Is that guideline written or it's like a litmus test to ascertain same sex attractions?

the guidelines are written, every seminarian today goes through a full psychological evaluation with formators on the look out for whoever manages to slip through the evaluation.

And, this guidelines has been in use from the inception of the Catholic Priesthood right? Yet homosexuality is common in the Catholic fold.

From when i was a child, we hear of Priest molesting boys. We listen to our parents, senior Catholic people talk about it like it was nothing serious.

Then i didn't even know what it meant. My mind was to young to conjure up an image of a man and a man together.
Abba, thank you for bringing me out of that satanic hold.

actually I don't enjoy it when people tell lies. the idea that homosexuality was always prevalent in Catholic priesthood is not fact based but instead slander.
it actually became a problem in the 70's during the time of the sexual revolution where close to 2% of priest were probably guilty...those are the cases still treated in the press till today and the numbers are declining. it was during that period those guidelines were published.

it is a pity your childhood was filled with rumors about priests mine was filled with the powerful experience of many holy priest who I became close to and their ministry imparted my life.

What really surprises me in this your stance is, how does one even know that a Priest is gay when everyone in there ought to be Celibate?

Hasn't it occurred to you that, that issue should never even come up? Why should that Issue come up when you have sworn an Oath to remain without sex whether with men or women?

this is a wayward statement.
a person is gay if they are attracted to same sex, even if they are celibate. And a gay man who is celibate is a good example to other gay people.

For the fact that it comes up means that, Celibacy is a Charade in Catholic Church. It's only to fool their ignorant followers.

Come to think of it, Celibacy for the Priest is a Hellenistic Pagan practice, not Jewish or Christian.

No, you wouldn't see it as enough reason becos he is Catholic, and as a Catholic, you don't see what YHWH frowns against as anything important.


He hasn't committed a crime or Sin against who? The Catholic Hellenistic Pagan organization which tramples on YHWH'S laws or YHWH whom he pretends to serve?

Oh wait, homosexuality is acceptable in the Hellenistic pagan religions.


Why are then talking about his sexual preference? Or is there another meaning of Celibacy?


It's a shame.
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, {Disciples} and are not, but do lie...
Revelation:3:9

The AntiChrist shall be Homosexual because, it is his duty to oppose everything Christ instituted, and marriage between an adult consenting man and woman is Christ ordianed.

Anyone who has the spirit of homosexuality, has the Seal of the Antichrist. They are the Soldiers of Armageddon.

now you just go on and on with your silly accusation that aren't worth the virtual space they occupy