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Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 7:42pm On Jan 05, 2018
LadunaI:


Excellent analysis!!!

Jazakhallahu khairan for this beautiful reply.

Long time bro...how are things?
Alhamdulilah, i am fine. I should be saying to you "long time".

Don't mind the guy. People Like him and atheists don't need to be dealt with theologically. They need intellectual discourse.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 8:30pm On Jan 05, 2018
Empiree:
You are not using thinking capacity Allah gave to you at all.
Do you agree Allah behave like humans, yes or no?

Let make the argument easier to comprehend.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 8:32pm On Jan 05, 2018
Empiree:
Alhamdulilah, i am fine. I should be saying to you "long time".

Don't mind the guy. People Like him and atheists don't need to be dealt with theologically. They need intellectual discourse.
So let have intellectual discuss. smiley
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Dindondin(m): 9:18pm On Jan 05, 2018
moshuur:

Actually,a Muslim with a good brain should allow Islam to overrule their names and culture. Do u know that the most beloved names to Allah are Quranic names(As u call it) which are Abdullah and Abdul Rahmon.And besides, why should I be calling my Daughter names like Bola,Shalewa etc when I can be calling them a more beautiful names like Fatimo,Aisha etc and d same goes for d males too.Tradition is man made and it is full of flaws..Islam is from Allah and it is perfect. U do something because of tradition, am not sure u will be rewarded. But if u do something for Allah/Islam sake sure u will be rewarded
side effects of Muhammad's teachings & his fallacy.

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Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by moshuur(m): 10:13pm On Jan 05, 2018
Dindondin:
side effects of Muhammad's teachings & his fallacy.
Muhammad's teachings are not fallacy.I thought u were a Muslim but I can clearly see that u are not.So goodbye
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 10:32pm On Jan 05, 2018
tintingz:
Do you agree Allah behave like humans, yes or no?
Auzubillah. Astagfirullah.


Let make the argument easier to comprehend.
You just wanna derail this thread by any means neccessary right?. Anyways, let me drop this again. Allah is Ar-Rahaman (The Most Merciful). Don't we have humans who are merciful?. If yes, then, does that mean they share Allah's Attributes or Allah behave like humans?.

Allah is Al-mulk (sovereign) or Power. Yet, we have kings and supreme leaders. Does that mean they share Allah's Attributes or that Allah behave like humans as you said?. So because i said Allah doesnt want rivals just like humans want no rivals means Allah behaves like humans?

Bro, this is 2018. I dont expect you to stoop this low. Common now, you can do better than this. Even animals dont want rivals especially lions. So you may even go further to mock Allah in that sense too right?. Dont be a laughing stock on nairaland.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 6:11am On Jan 06, 2018
Empiree:
Auzubillah. Astagfirullah.


You just wanna derail this thread by any means neccessary right?. Anyways, let me drop this again. Allah is Ar-Rahaman (The Most Merciful). Don't we have humans who are merciful?. If yes, then, does that mean they share Allah's Attributes or Allah behave like humans?.

Allah is Al-mulk (sovereign) or Power. Yet, we have kings and supreme leaders. Does that mean they share Allah's Attributes or that Allah behave like humans as you said?. So because i said Allah doesnt want rivals just like humans want no rivals means Allah behaves like humans?

Bro, this is 2018. I dont expect you to stoop this low. Common now, you can do better than this. Even animals dont want rivals especially lions. So you may even go further to mock Allah in that sense too right?. Dont be a laughing stock on nairaland.
Sorry if it sound offensive but Allah is an anthropomorphic god, a god with Human traits and character, a god that get angry, emotions, sit on a throne, give laws like humans, if you don't see these attributes in the Quran about Allah then I wonder what you have reading.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Fundamentalist: 7:32am On Jan 06, 2018
Empiree:
There are always parables or illustrations for us on this planet. So there are plenty of examples for you to read. Let me share with you just a few.

Boyfriend and girlfriend. You see your girl talking to another dude, how do you feel?. You dont need to lie about this. Your feeling is to rage and war with the dude, correct?. Why dont you want this rival or coequal?

How about husband and wife?. You see your wife kissing another man at supermarket or you caught your wife with another man in your matrimonial bed. How do you feel sir?. I am sure if you have a gun, you gonna gun down both of them or the man. Why would you do that?. It is your natural instincts at work. Meaning, you do not want co-equal, right?

Exactly how Allah feels (astaghfirullah) when His creature set up partners with Him . These are micro examples. How about macro?

Let's take presidential race for example. Why do you have one president?. Why not two?. If you have two presidents in the same country, they not gonna gree. If a president decides to go to war, the other may want dialogue. They gonna have to trash and fight themselves off first before facing the enemies. Why do the politicians kill their opposition party?. The answer is they do not want rivals

Another example is world power. They want no rival. You can take US for instance. Why does the US always sanction any nation that goes against her policies?. Why does the US has the right to launch and test rockets but others cant?. Why is US agitate with NK and Iran over nuclear arsenal?. The answer is she wants no rivals. This is called POWER which can not be challenged by anyone.

Now, Allah is saying to you that He alone is the OWNER of the universe. He created and fashioned it. He created you and I and all that exist. He gives us sun and the moon at their appropriate time without any conflict. If there had been more than one God, there would have been conflicts btw the sun and the moon needless to say other galaxies He created and other unseen and unknown.

There are tips of iceberg to get you to use your thinking capacity and thinking faculty that Allah gave to you. Enough said

@ bolded

I'm highly disappointed as this is coming from a sensible and sane human being. What is this difference between this school of thought and that of pagan Arabs.

So you have become Allah's personal Assistant to tell us how He feels undecided undecided
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 9:09am On Jan 06, 2018
Fundamentalist:


@ bolded

I'm highly disappointed as this is coming from a sensible and sane human being. What is this difference between this school of thought and that of pagan Arabs.

So you have become Allah's personal Assistant to tell us how He feels undecided undecided
Lol, even a Muslim knows Empiree analogy about Allah is assumption and shows a God with limited intelligence.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 12:53pm On Jan 06, 2018
Fundamentalist:


@ bolded

I'm highly disappointed as this is coming from a sensible and sane human being. What is this difference between this school of thought and that of pagan Arabs.

So you have become Allah's personal Assistant to tell us how He feels undecided undecided
have you no sense?
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 1:01pm On Jan 06, 2018
tintingz:
Sorry if it sound offensive but Allah is an anthropomorphic god, a god with Human traits and character, a god that get angry, emotions, sit on a throne, give laws like humans, if you don't see these attributes in the Quran about Allah then I wonder what you have reading.
listen, Quran can not be translated, NEVER. Rather, it can only be explained. Allah used words that we as humans can comprehend. If He's to communicate with us the way He's in His absolute form, we can not understand anything. Allah is not like humans.

So when Allah says He sees, He speaks etc it doesn't mean He sees or speaks like human beings with mouth. You are derailing this thread now.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Fundamentalist: 1:01pm On Jan 06, 2018
Empiree:
have you know sense?

Ash-Shura 42:11

فَاطِرُ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِۚ جَعَلَ لَكُم مِّنْ أَنفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَٰجًا وَمِنَ ٱلْأَنْعَٰمِ أَزْوَٰجًاۖ يَذْرَؤُكُمْ فِيهِۚ لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِۦ شَىْءٌۖ وَهُوَ ٱلسَّمِيعُ ٱلْبَصِيرُ

[He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him , and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

Al-Ikhlas 112:4

وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُۥ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌۢ

Nor is there to Him any equivalent."

I wonder who has no sense embarassed embarassed
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 1:02pm On Jan 06, 2018
Fundamentalist:


Ash-Shura 42:11

فَاطِرُ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِۚ جَعَلَ لَكُم مِّنْ أَنفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَٰجًا وَمِنَ ٱلْأَنْعَٰمِ أَزْوَٰجًاۖ يَذْرَؤُكُمْ فِيهِۚ لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِۦ شَىْءٌۖ وَهُوَ ٱلسَّمِيعُ ٱلْبَصِيرُ

[He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him , and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.


I wonder who has no sense embarassed embarassed
your are gonna be ignored soon
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Fundamentalist: 1:05pm On Jan 06, 2018
Empiree:
your are gonna be ignored soon


You are only exhibiting Sufi ideologies here on nairaland, trying to adopt mu'tazilah ideologies just to look rational makes you more foolish undecided
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 1:19pm On Jan 06, 2018
Fundamentalist:



You are only exhibiting Sufi ideologies here on nairaland, trying to adopt mu'tazilah ideologies just to look rational makes you more foolish undecided
don't derail this thread.

If "feeling" used in the sentence makes you uncomfortable, then, you have many sahih ahadith that you will need to declare heretic. Again, have you no sense?

Attached, writer use 'feel' to describe Allah reaction to supplicating servants. What's the difference between you and tintingz now. She

Your can as well condemned translated Quran for using He for Allah bcus 'he' is human attribute.

Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 1:42pm On Jan 06, 2018
Empiree:
listen, Quran can not be translated, NEVER. Rather, it can only be explained. Allah used words that we as humans can comprehend. If He's to communicate with us the way He's in His absolute form, we can not understand anything. Allah is not like humans.

So when Allah says He sees, He speaks etc it doesn't mean He sees or speaks like human beings with mouth. You are derailing this thread now.
Allah is classify as an anthropomorphic god, no matter how apologetic you're it still paint Allah as human-like personality.

Can we understand Allah apart of this human-like characters? Is he bound to Human moral codes?

I'm expecting an Almighty God to communicate with his creation without behaving like his creation.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Fundamentalist: 2:35pm On Jan 06, 2018
Empiree:
don't derail this thread.

If "feeling" used in the sentence makes you uncomfortable, then, you have many sahih ahadith that you will need to declare heretic. Again, have you no sense?

Attached, writer use 'feel' to describe Allah reaction to supplicating servants. What's the difference between you and tintingz now. She

Your can as well condemned translated Quran for using He for Allah bcus 'he' is human attribute.

Replying you is a waste of time
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 6:14pm On Jan 06, 2018
Fundamentalist:


Replying you is a waste of time
This is the reality of abo eko undecided . You jumped into a cold pool and now you are shivering after you are exposed
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Raintaker(m): 7:47pm On Jan 06, 2018
Fundamentalist:


Ash-Shura 42:11

فَاطِرُ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِۚ جَعَلَ لَكُم مِّنْ أَنفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَٰجًا وَمِنَ ٱلْأَنْعَٰمِ أَزْوَٰجًاۖ يَذْرَؤُكُمْ فِيهِۚ لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِۦ شَىْءٌۖ وَهُوَ ٱلسَّمِيعُ ٱلْبَصِيرُ

[He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him , and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.

Al-Ikhlas 112:4

وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُۥ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌۢ

Nor is there to Him any equivalent."

I wonder who has no sense embarassed embarassed
You really do not have sense
just saying.
See how you just jumped into the discussion and into conclusion

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Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Raintaker(m): 7:50pm On Jan 06, 2018
tintingz:
Allah is classify as an anthropomorphic god, no matter how apologetic you're it still paint Allah as human-like personality.

Can we understand Allah apart of this human-like characters? Is he bound to Human moral codes?

I'm expecting an Almighty God to communicate with his creation without behaving like his creation.
Your reasoning is greatly flawed, you don't compare a creator to the created rather you compare a created to the creator.
Something like (TinTin looks like his father and not TinTin's father looks like him)

So don't you ever say Allah has human like attributes, Allah created all those attributes, He created emotions which we later use in qualifying humans.

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Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 7:52pm On Jan 06, 2018
tintingz:
Allah is classify as an anthropomorphic god, no matter how apologetic you're it still paint Allah as human-like personality.

Can we understand Allah apart of this human-like characters? Is he bound to Human moral codes?

I'm expecting an Almighty God to communicate with his creation without behaving like his creation.
You have a very serious problem.

Allah communicates in the language we understand. Let's take for instance those who communicate with jinns, Angels and other supernatural beings and send them on errands, these spirit communicate in any language locally. This means, if you send a jinn to America or english speaking regions, he speaks in the language of the region. If you send him to India, he speaks their language. If you send him to Igboland, he speaks igbo. When he returns to you, he speaks your language which is Yoruba. But if you send him to these places if ony yoruba he understands, then there will be no effective communications. Which means, there is no way he can effectively delivers your message. I have told you before that there is always parable for everything.

So whenever Allah wants to communicate, He does so at the level of the intended recipients.


It is not fitting for a man that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with Allah’s permission, what Allah wills: for He is Most High, Most Wise. (Quran 42:51)


Another verse says:

And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. Q14:4


So the so called anthropomorphism you keep talking about is non existence unless you believe those human attributes are actually of God. If i want to change the dimension of this discussion in a way that you won't understand His Majesty, i can do that as well. Example, it takes 25,000 years to travel from one Galaxy to another, and we have 100 billion galaxies. All these Galaxies are far away from kursi of Allah, and kursi is even no where near Allah contrary to your saying that Allah sits on a chair. So this is just a tip. Does this God sounds human to you?

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Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 9:09pm On Jan 06, 2018
Empiree:
You have a very serious problem.

Allah communicate in the language we understand. Let's take for instance those who communicate with jinns, Angels and other supernatural beings and send them on errands, these spirit communicate in any language locally. This means, if you send a jinn to America or english speaking regions, he speaks in the language of the region. If you send him to India, he speaks their language. If you send him to Igboland, he speaks igbo. When he returns to you, he speaks your language which is Yoruba. But if you send him tho these places if ony yoruba he understands, then there will be no effective communications. Which means, there is no way he can effectively delivers your message. I have told you before that there is always parable for everything.

So whenever Allah wants to communicate, He does so at the level of the intended recipients.


It is not fitting for a man that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with Allah’s permission, what Allah wills: for He is Most High, Most Wise. (Quran 42:51)


Another verse says:

And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. Q14:4


So the so called anthropomorphism you keep talking about is non existence unless you believe those human attributes are actually of God. If i want to change the dimensions this discussion in a way that you wont understand His Majesty, i can do that as well. Example, it takes 25,000 years to travel from one Galaxy to another, and we have 100 billion galaxies. All theses Galaxies are far away from kursi of Allah, and kursi is even no where near Allah contrary to your saying that Allah sit on a chair. So this is just a tip. Does this God sounds human to you?

Raintaker:
Your reasoning is greatly flawed, you don't compare a creator to the created rather you compare a created to the creator.
Something like (TinTin looks like his father and not TinTin's father looks like him)

So don't you ever say Allah has human like attributes, Allah created all those attributes, He created emotions which we later use in qualifying humans.
Your God is a personal god because he has characteristics of humans, I wonder why Allah is even refer has "He".

In the scriptures of the Abrahamic religions, God is described as being a personal creator, speaking in the first person and showing emotion such as anger and pride, and sometimes appearing in anthropomorphic shape. In the Pentateuch, for example, God talks with and instructs his prophets and is conceived as possessing volition, emotions (such as anger, grief and happiness), intention, and other attributes characteristic of a human person.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_god

A father still has human personality and bound to it, so humans possessing some God attributes shows he's human-like.

# Why is that an Almighty God can't do things without showing emotions like humans, e.g jealousy (do not worship other gods), anger (destroying unbelievers), why can't God just command humans with authority(just like be and it be), but we see his limited powers with threats on people, depending on humans to speak for him, giving laws like that of humans moral codes and please don't come with freewill ish because It is flawed.

# Empiree, so over billions of galaxies, the tiny earth is what Allah is more concern of, he's very concern about how tiny humans lives?, let me ask this question, when Allah was giving moral laws, did he give laws because it's right thing to do or he just give laws the way he feels?
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Fundamentalist: 9:11pm On Jan 06, 2018
Raintaker:

You really do not have sense
just saying.
See how you just jumped into the discussion and into conclusion

See your life
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 9:56pm On Jan 06, 2018
You are just repeating yourself
tintingz:


Your God is a personal god because he has characteristics of humans, I wonder why Allah is even refer has "He".

In the scriptures of the Abrahamic religions, God is described as being a personal creator, speaking in the first person and showing emotion such as anger and pride, and sometimes appearing in anthropomorphic shape. In the Pentateuch, for example, God talks with and instructs his prophets and is conceived as possessing volition, emotions (such as anger, grief and happiness), intention, and other attributes characteristic of a human person.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_god

A father still has human personality and bound to it, so humans possessing some God attributes shows he's human-like.

# Why is that an Almighty God can't do things without showing emotions like humans, e.g jealousy (do not worship other gods), anger (destroying unbelievers), why can't God just command humans with authority(just like be and it be), but we see his limited powers with threats on people, depending on humans to speak for him, giving laws like that of humans moral codes and please don't come with freewill ish because It is flawed.



This already answered your concerns. Take it or leave it
Empiree:
You have a very serious problem.

Allah communicates in the language we understand. Let's take for instance those who communicate with jinns, Angels and other supernatural beings and send them on errands, these spirit communicate in any language locally. This means, if you send a jinn to America or english speaking regions, he speaks in the language of the region. If you send him to India, he speaks their language. If you send him to Igboland, he speaks igbo. When he returns to you, he speaks your language which is Yoruba. But if you send him to these places if ony yoruba he understands, then there will be no effective communications. Which means, there is no way he can effectively delivers your message. I have told you before that there is always parable for everything.

So whenever Allah wants to communicate, He does so at the level of the intended recipients.


It is not fitting for a man that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with Allah’s permission, what Allah wills: for He is Most High, Most Wise. (Quran 42:51)


Another verse says:

And We did not send any messenger except [speaking] in the language of his people to state clearly for them, and Allah sends astray [thereby] whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. Q14:4


So the so called anthropomorphism you keep talking about is non existence unless you believe those human attributes are actually of God. If i want to change the dimensions this discussion in a way that you won't understand His Majesty, i can do that as well. Example, it takes 25,000 years to travel from one Galaxy to another, and we have 100 billion galaxies. All these Galaxies are far away from kursi of Allah, and kursi is even no where near Allah contrary to your saying that Allah sits on a chair. So this is just a tip. Does this God sounds human to you?




# Empi.ree, so over billions of galaxies, the tiny earth is what Allah is more concern of, he's very concern about how tiny humans lives?, let me ask this question, when Allah was giving moral laws, did he give laws because it's right thing to do or he just give laws the way he feels?
You are incredible. The same way Allah is operational and concerned about planet earth, He is also operational in many other places and things He created. Just because you don't get to see other worlds doesn't mean they don't exist or Allah is only concerned about our planet. Examples are Jinns and Angels who live on another dimension of space and time, and Allah is very well active there as well. You need to communicate with Jinns. This is why Quran says:


Alhamdulillah Robi lialamin {All Praise and Thanks Due to Allah the Lord of the worlds and all that exist}
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 6:49am On Jan 07, 2018
Empiree

Jazakallahu Khair

May Almighty Allah bless you abundantly, Ameen.

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Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 9:20am On Jan 07, 2018
Empiree:
You are just repeating yourself
I'm repeating myself because you have not provide any evidence to your claims.

What make you think Allah exist and other God and Goddess don't exist, evidence please and not a failed assumption of some humans behavior except you agree Gods have human personalities including Allah?


This already answered your concerns. Take it or leave it
You skipped some questions i asked previously,

Here,
tintingz:

Can we understand Allah apart from this human-like characters? Is he bound to Human moral codes?
Apart from reading Allah behaving like archaic humans in the Quran, is there any other way to understand Allah? Is he bound to our moral codes?


You are incredible. The same way Allah is operational and concerned about planet earth, He is also operational in many other places and things He created. Just because you don't get to see other worlds doesn't mean they don't exist or Allah is only concerned about our planet. Examples are Jinns and Angels who live on another dimension of space and time, and Allah is very well active there as well. You need to communicate with Jinns. This is why Quran says:


Alhamdulillah Robi lialamin {All Praise and Thanks Due to Allah the Lord of the worlds and all that exist}
So which dimension, universe, galaxies are the jinns are, I thought they are wandering around the earth? I thought angels resides in heaven and only come down to earth(ancient Middle east to be presice) or are there living beings in other planets and if there are living beings why are these planets not mentioned in the Quran?

Have you communicate with jinns before?
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 6:25pm On Jan 07, 2018
tintingz:
What make you think Allah exist and other God and Goddess don't exist, evidence please and not a failed assumption of some humans behavior except you agree Gods have human personalities including Allah?
If you can not understand your fellow human (me), how are you gonna understand God?. Read btw the lines. Drop that ego and remove the clog. It is as clear as daylight man.



^^^^^^^
Here,
Apart from reading Allah behaving like archaic humans in the Quran, is there any other way to understand Allah? Is he bound to our moral codes?
The way God communicates with us may not be the way he communicates with Angels, Jinns and other creations. I have answered this twice already. Refer to the above. I will give you one last illustrations. Imagine your newborn who is just few months old, cries cries cries and cries. Most likely you want to give her milk as everyone would assume but she turns it down. She actually wants something else that you dont understand. She keeps crying and you trying to figure out what she wants. You have to go through series of thinking to figure her out. Bottomline is, her cry is actually communication at her level. That's the best she can do but you understand not.


Another example is, two kids play together but they can't speak fluently yet other than scream and gesture. They play together and laugh. They make series of sounds like "jejejejehehehehejajajajaahahaha" and then start laughing. You are wondering why are they laughing?. Guess what, that sounds and noise they make is actually their form of communication at that particular stage but you understand not. They perfectly understood themselves. And you notice that if you mimic them, they start laughing at you which means they most likely understand you than you understand them, and you definitely do not understand the mimic. Example is this 2mins video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JmA2ClUvUY


Now, let's take a look at Holy Prophet Muhammad (Allah's Blessings be upon him). He was reported to have said that revelation did come in the form of ringing of a bell. Thats a form of communication. Do you understand this language of "ringing of a bird"?. The nature of revelation was such that it caused angels to faint. The sound would be like the pulling of a heavy chain over Mount Safa. Angels would ask Jibreel what Allah (SWT) had said, and he would reply ‘haqq’ (Abu Dawud). Angels could not handle the Revelation, so imagine the weight upon the heart of the Prophet (SAW). Revelation would shatter a mountain. The Prophet said the Revelation was like the ringing of a bell and then he would remember what Jibreel (AS) had brought to him from Allah (SWT). Sometimes he (SAW) would lose consciousness and sweat on a cold day. https://divinespeechblog./2014/08/03/the-story-of-jibreel-as/

So God communicates with us in the Qur'an the way we can understand.



So which dimension, universe, galaxies are the jinns are,
Ask them cheesy



Have you communicate with jinns before?
No and i am not interested. You may ask sissie. I heard she did

Fact is, you need to make tawbah (return to Faith) before it is too late.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 8:57pm On Jan 07, 2018
Empiree:
If you can not understand your fellow human (me), how are you gonna understand God?. Read btw the lines. Drop that ego and remove the clog. It is as clear as daylight man.
The only ways to understand your God is from the Quran and Hadiths.



^^^^^^^The way God communicates with us may not be the way he communicates with Angels, Jinns and other creations. I have answered this twice already. Refer to the above. I will give you one last illustrations. Imagine your newborn who is just few months old, cries cries cries and cries. Most likely you want to give her milk as everyone would assume but she turns it down. She actually wants something else that you dont understand. She keeps crying and you trying to figure out what she wants. You have to go through series of thinking to figure her out. Bottomline is, her cry is actually communication at her level. That's the best she can do but you understand not.
Is the bolded illustrating Allah?

* Allah goes through series of thinking to get to communicate with his creation? If yes, does God think? If yes, he must be channeling information from somewhere?

* Why does an Almighty God come down to human level(limiting himself) to communicate to us? Hope you know what almighty mean?


Another example is, two kids play together but they can't speak fluently yet other than scream and gesture. They play together and laugh. They make series of sounds like "jejejejehehehehejajajajaahahaha" and then start laughing. You are wondering why are they laughing?. Guess what, that sounds and noise they make is actually their form of communication at that particular stage but you understand not. They perfectly understood themselves. And you notice that if you mimic them, they start laughing at you which means they most likely understand you than you understand them, and you definitely do not understand the mimic. Example is this 2mins video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JmA2ClUvUY
Are you saying God doesn't understand his creation?

Your illustration is pointing out more flaws about God.

I'm yet to watch the video tho.


Now, let's take a look at Holy Prophet Muhammad (Allah's Blessings be upon him). He was reported to have said that revelation did come in the form of ringing of a bell. Thats a form of communication. Do you understand this language of "ringing of a bird"?. The nature of revelation was such that it caused angels to faint. The sound would be like the pulling of a heavy chain over Mount Safa. Angels would ask Jibreel what Allah (SWT) had said, and he would reply ‘haqq’ (Abu Dawud). Angels could not handle the Revelation, so imagine the weight upon the heart of the Prophet (SAW). Revelation would shatter a mountain. The Prophet said the Revelation was like the ringing of a bell and then he would remember what Jibreel (AS) had brought to him from Allah (SWT). Sometimes he (SAW) would lose consciousness and sweat on a cold day. https://divinespeechblog./2014/08/03/the-story-of-jibreel-as/
Anybody can write down this fiction, it doesn't prove anything.


So God communicates with us in the Qur'an the way we can understand.
The thing is the Quran is an ancient book with many outdated moral practice, we can read how Allah was very active in ancient middle east but fail to be active in mordern age where we now have technology like cameras.

If God is truly almighty, he should show up and make people believe he's real and not hiding in a book.

Ask them cheesy
If you don't know yourself then how are you confidence that jins are somewhere in another dimension, universe?


No and i am not interested. You may ask sissie. I heard she did
You base your evidence on people personal experience?, anyways sissie should come and tell us how she communicate with jinns or how jinns communicate with her.


Fact is, you need to make tawbah (return to Faith) before it is too late.
Two things require before I can accept Islam back.

* Evidence Allah exist and he's the only one true God

* What makes Islam the right religion.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 9:39pm On Jan 07, 2018
tintingz:
The only ways to understand your God is from the Quran and Hadiths.
But you dnt believe Qur'an and sunnah, hence, the reason for logical discussion. And then you said this

tintingz:
Anybody can write down this fiction, it doesn't prove anything.
This is why i abrely quote bcuz i knew you would dismiss it outright. But then, i used logical deduction and illustrations, you still got it wrong. (below)



tintingz:
Is the bolded illustrating Allah?

* Allah goes through series of thinking to get to communicate with his creation? If yes, does God think? If yes, he must be channeling information from somewhere?

* Why does an Almighty God come down to human level(limiting himself) to communicate with us? Hope you know what almighty mean.

Are you saying God doesn't understand his creation?

Your illustration is pointing out more flaws about God.

I'm yet to watch the video tho.
I feel sorry for you though. If you can not understand my illustration, and dismissed Quran and sunnah, obviously nothing else to talk about. Illustrations i gave about kids have nothing to do with God. I think you are messed up.


tintingz:
The thing is the Quran and ancient book with many outdated moral practice, we can read how Allah was very active in ancient middle east but fail to be active in mordern age where we now have technology like cameras.
whatever active means to you?. If He is not active, how come you wake up this morning and use computer?. You think you did that on your own?. Throughout the night you slept, you think God isn't active?. He stationed His angels to watch over you. You woke up sound and healthy and now saying He isnt active?


tintingz:
If God is truly almighty, he should show up and make people believe he's real and not hiding in a book.
Bani Israel said this before. It is not new. Be careful bro. Michael Savage, a judeo/christian, American radio talk show host, a very strong anti-islam would even disagree with you. The last time i listened to him he said "it makes sense that we don't see God. It makes sense that God makes Himself hidden from us bcus He knows that if He is readily visible to us, once we see Him, we just brush Him aside like He is one of those guys, nothing special."

Just like movie, once you watched it, it loses it values.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 10:27pm On Jan 07, 2018
Empiree:
But you dnt believe Qur'an and sunnah, hence, the reason for logical discussion. And then you said this

This is why i abrely quote bcuz i knew you would dismiss it outright. But then, i used logical deduction and illustrations, you still got it wrong. (below)

I feel sorry for you though. If you can not understand my illustration, and dismissed Quran and sunnah, obviously nothing else to talk about. Illustrations i gave about kids have nothing to do with God. I think you are messed up.
What about using science? Anybody can write down fictions and said it's true or do you believe Obatala created the world with chicken, corn and sand, if No, then how do you expect me to believe in the Quran and hadiths, what difference do they make?


whatever active means to you?. If He is not active, how come you wake up this morning and use computer?. You think you did that on your own?. Throughout the night you slept, you think God isn't active?. He stationed His angels to watch over you. You woke up sound and healthy and now saying He isnt active?
Evidence please, i don't see any angels when I wake up, how do you know God and his angels are active when we sleep, what if fairies are the guidance, you believe?

If God is truly active, natural disasters shouldn't be killing innocent children and those who worship him, but he's more concern about writing his name on a tree or giving a baby Quran from the womb.


Bani Israel said this before. It is not new. Be careful bro. Michael Savage, a judeo/christian, American radio talk show host, a very strong anti-islam would even disagree with you. The last time i listened to him he said "it makes sense that we don't see God. It makes sense that God makes Himself hidden from us bcus He knows that if He is readily visible to us, once we see Him, we just brush Him aside like He is one of those guys, nothing special."

Just like movie, once you watched it, it loses it values.
Who is going to brush aside an Almighty God showing up in the sky with thunderous voice, who will do that?

If God is really loving, caring and wants to save Humans from entering hell, he should show up for everyone to believe in him and so that we can all enter Paradise or better still make everything non existing.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 11:41pm On Jan 07, 2018
tintingz:
What about using science? Anybody can write down fictions and said it's true or do you believe Obatala created the world with chicken, corn and sand, if No, then how do you expect me to believe in the Quran and hadiths, what difference do they make?
if he existed at all, he was just the way christians coined jesus as the son of God


Evidence please, i don't see any angels when I wake up,
wait until asrail appears. You will get to see hoe Angels look like.


how do you know God and his angels are active when we sleep, what if fairies are the guidance, you believe?
Yourself is the testimony of their activities.


If God is truly active, natural disasters shouldn't be killing innocent children and those who worship him, but he's more concern about writing his name on a tree or giving a baby Quran from the womb.
People killed by natural disaster are shuhada.


Who is going to brush aside an Almighty God showing up in the sky with thunderous voice, who will do that?
you have watched many American horror movies while growing up isnt?. I am sure now horror movies no longer scare you anymore. If Gd had made His appearance known, you would have brushed him aside like "oh well, he is just one if those horror tings i watched in tv


If God is really loving, caring and wants to save Humans from entering hell, he should show up for everyone to believe in him and so that we can all enter Paradise or better still make everything non existing.
you perfectly sound like bani Israel. They said worst than the same thing in the time of Musa and Isa (AS).
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 12:13am On Jan 08, 2018
Empiree:
if he existed at all, he was just the way christians coined jesus as the son of God
And what make that wrong?


wait until asrail appears. You will get to see hoe Angels look like.
Unfortunately no one knows what happens afterlife.


Yourself is the testimony of their activities.
How does it link?


People killed by natural disaster are shuhada.
Who are Shuhada or what's shuhada?


you have watched many American horror movies while growing up isnt?. I am sure now horror movies no longer scare you anymore. If Gd had made His appearance known, you would have brushed him aside like "oh well, he is just one if those horror tings i watched in tv
Horror films are fictions, no one take movies serious.

I'm talking about a thunderous voice sounding from the sky, and if we all brush it aside, at least we all certainly believe a God exist and we won't be arguing about this right now.


you perfectly sound like bani Israel. They said worst than the same thing in the time of Musa and Isa (AS).
And you perfectly sound like someone who believes in myths.

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