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|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 12:41am On Jan 08, 2018|
tintingz:You would still end up saying white man entered the sky and shout from there.
You are incredible and boring at the same time. Just wait for asrail and everything will be crystal clear.
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 9:57am On Jan 08, 2018|
Empiree:You're joker, so white man will enter the sky and shook the world with a thunderous voice?
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 3:55pm On Jan 08, 2018|
tintingz:no, your are. I'm simply saying that's your possible answer if that was to happen.
The benefits you are enjoying for making lots of blameworthy speeches is bcuz of prophet Muhammad. Allah has said in the Quran that for as long as he is in our midst Allah will not punish us. That's why many get away here on Earth but they can never get away with it in the grave.
But other prophets would invoke God's wrath on their people. So enjoy it while it last. Bani Israel said they wanted to see God face to face but Allah dazed them with thunder. In 20th century Nigeria, a man that made similar statement in Yoruba land was 'Jabaru' a famous Islamic preacher. Allah silenced him until he died. So keep it up
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 4:54pm On Jan 08, 2018|
Empiree:You're still joking, I'm enjoying now because of Almighty flying Spaghetti monster grace not because of an Arab man from the middle east.
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Rashduct4luv(m): 7:05pm On Jan 08, 2018|
Boda Empiree kini itumo " Se aje bu'gba je?" . . . lol
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 7:08pm On Jan 08, 2018|
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 7:08pm On Jan 08, 2018|
Rashduct4luv:means "Se customers wa" or do you make sales?. Problem you guys have is ede (the use of language)
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 6:53pm On Jan 11, 2018|
For you to believe there's no God, I believe you should have a definition for what you expect a God to be.
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 7:52pm On Jan 11, 2018|
Harbioye:Not that I don't want to believe there's a God, How i wish there is a big daddy up there watching over us but the thing is there is no sufficient evidence to prove God likewise we cannot disprove existence of God just the same way we can't disprove the existence of unicorns and fairies! The burden is left for the person who claim.(This is what I'm trying to make Empiree understand but he's not getting it because he's too dogmatic).
So, can you define God and which God?
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 8:25pm On Jan 11, 2018|
I just need to know your perception of how a supreme God should be?
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 8:33pm On Jan 11, 2018|
Harbioye:According to the definition on Google,
God: the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
So can you define your God and which God?
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by habbey99(m): 10:39pm On Jan 11, 2018|
All praise is due to Allah, we send blessings and salutations upon our beloved prophet Muhammad his household companions and those who are on path of Islam till day of accountability.
Aje in Yoruba simply means money,
and when people are supplicating to one another that "Aje awa oo" our role as a Muslim is to add for the them,Aje awa oo and with the help of Allah,As Allah is the sources of money.
may Allah be pleased with us all
Asalam alaykm warahmatullah wabarakatuhu.
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 11:14pm On Jan 11, 2018|
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 11:18pm On Jan 11, 2018|
habbey99:This is what i was trying to say. To PURIFY the meaning, even though they had questionable attributions to it.
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 7:03am On Jan 12, 2018|
Since ur definition is based on Google, I'll base mine on the Qur'an
The God I serve is the creator of the universe, the one with the knowledge of the known and the unknown, the Almighty, the Supreme.
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 8:00am On Jan 12, 2018|
# Why is Allah the creator of the universe? Why not Brahma or Olorun?
# "One with the Knowledge of known and the unknown", do you mind explaining this part before I pull the trigger?
# Then let's discuss why, how Allah is the almighty and supreme?
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 5:21pm On Jan 12, 2018|
Coz the Qur'an said so.
And u mind why I believe the Qur'an?
Because out of 100% of the prophecies and message in the Qur'an, no one and I mean no one is yet to prove any of them wrong.
Now to my analysis.
Everything we see around us is contingent
“A contingent thing is something that may either exist or not exist; its nature does not guarantee that it exists. Although all the things we experience directly are indeed contingent, there is also something else that exists necessarily, in other words, whose very nature guarantees that it exists.
“Since a contingent thing on its own merit could either exist or not exist, it must have some external cause that made it exist - like ‘tipping the scales’ in favor of its existence rather than its non-existence.
“So take Mr. tingtingz , for instance. You're contingent, meaning that you're the sort of thing that could easily have failed to exist. In fact, at one time you didn’t exist, and in the future you will cease to exist, that proves that you're not necessary.
“So there must have been a cause, maybe your parents, who brought you into existence. Now observe that the aggregate whole of all contingent things – in other words the physical universe – is also contingent. After all, everything in the universe is contingent, so taken all together as one thing, it too must be contingent. Thus it also needs an external cause, just like you do.
“Since that external cause has to be outside the whole aggregate of contingent things, it cannot itself be contingent. So it is necessary that there is a necessary existent which causes all other things! And this, of course, is Allah."
Why not Olorun or Brahma?
Coz Brahma and Olorun from the history books I read, were both creatures living in this world.
So, how can a creature already in this world create the world itself?
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 6:44pm On Jan 12, 2018|
Harbioye:Because the Quran said so is now a logic?
What prophecies are you talking about? Is it the myth of Gog and Magog? Or the tall building stuff? I can provide you scientific errors in the Quran, I can provide research and discoveries by scholars before Muhammad was even born!
This contingent argument is full of fallacies and problematic to the premises of "something must cause something". And the funniest and irrational thing about your post is you're quick to input Allah to the gap, other Gods can't fit in right? Deist God is even more fit to this argument not a personal God.
I've answered this before, here is it,
Your statements here is still problematic to the premises that "everything must have a cause" you can't just focus on argument you feel like it suit you, you must follow the premises, the same premises argument still stands, what could cause the contingent? Is it by neccesity reasoning or by mistake, capricious?
If it is by reasoning then where does the reasoning comes from, what is the source? If it is by mistake you agree god made a mistake?
In adds, if the first cause is not necessary to have a cause then why can't we use same argument for the universe (or the multiverse)?
Lol, from which history books?
Brahma is a creator god in Hinduism. He has four faces.
The Supreme God has three manifestations: Olodumare, the Creator; Olorun, ruler of the heavens; and Olofi, who is the conduit between Orún (Heaven) and Ayé (Earth).
You can see the two Gods are both creators and supreme God, but your ignorance and sentiment concluded they are creation on earth which make Allah your Supreme God.
Since I've provide link that both Brahma and Olorun are creators and Supreme Gods, give me good reason why Allah is the true and only supreme God, give a logical reasons with evidence to falsify/disprove the other Gods.
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 9:02pm On Jan 12, 2018|
tintingz:Did u just say Gog and Maggog?
Coz it hasn't happen doesn't mean it's not gonna happen
Scientific Errors indeed.
I'll be waiting for your 1001 scientific errors in the Qur'an
Mind telling me what type of fallacy it contains and the exceptions of the contingent analysis
You're joking, man
Common sense which is greater than your science tells me that " if I have a book that became known to man for as long as you can imagine and this book contains zero errors and this book contains fulfilled and yet to be fulfilled prophesies, histories which can't be denied ", I have to respect the author of that book.
I'm sure you've read 10s/100s of books
Have you ever try to read the Qur'an, to widen your knowledge a little bit?
No, you won't.
No, you can't.
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 10:11pm On Jan 12, 2018|
Harbioye:Gog and maggog is an ancient greek myth and recycled story in the Abrahamic books(Bible and Quran). Go and search for the legend story Alexander Romance and compare it with the Quran(Dhul Qaynan, Gog and maggog story).
Let's start with the simple part, science discovered Humanity begins as an evolutionary process, now from your scientific book Quran, explain how humanity started by two couples?
I'm very sure you don't understand the contingent argument, you just copy and paste it without proper understanding.
Again I ask,
# What could cause the contingent? Is it by neccesity reasoning or by mistake, capricious?
# If the first cause is not necessary to have a cause then why can't we use same argument for the universe (or the multiverse)?
CCommon sense which is greater than your science tells me that " if I have a book that became known to man for as long as you can imagine and this book contains zero errors and this book contains fulfilled and yet to be fulfilled prophesies, histories which can't be denied ", I have to respect the author of that book.# Is the story of Noah, Moses historical? any historicity evidence for thier story?
# Did Adam and Eve ever existed?
# Can you deny the prophecy that santa save people In the past and as well will come back in the future to save humanity?
Do you bother asking the religion I once belong?
You're yet to prove how Olorun and Brahma are not creators and supreme God.
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 12:05am On Jan 13, 2018|
Can't stop laughing, man.
How sure are you that the Mr. Alexander story isn't fabricated?
Of course you don't care to know
Clap for yourself
Even as a little boy in a social studies class, I never believed the Australopithecus-Homo whatever story..
I find it so difficult to understand how people digest such a man made story.
If truly Mr. Australopithecus actually evolved to human, according to science. How come you, me and our ancestors, were born?
Why didn't we evolve from Australopithecus version.
Can't stop laughing..
Mind telling me the kind of fallacy in contingent analysis without consulting Mr. Google?
Even you can't deny their existence and if you want to, what's your proof?
Must I accept it?
Like I really care whether you were born, an atheist or you made yourself one.
If you are not satisfied with my proofs, I'm sorry to disappoint you.
As for me and my family, La illaha illa Allah.....
I'm sure you know what it means
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 6:45am On Jan 13, 2018|
Harbioye:Alexander Romance legend was a popular mythological story known long before Islam even surface, the Bible borrowed it, the Quran also did same from a Syriac legend.
No scholars disagree with the legend of Alexander Romance, even if it was fabricated it doesn't disprove the legend was known before Islam came.
Evolution is not a man-made story, they are researches with evidence agreed by all scientists even religious scientists.
Humans do not evolve directly from apes, if that's what you meant by Australopithecus, but humans, apes and some other species share same ancestors, humans once look like an ape-like specie but not actually ape. Evolution is a very slow process that took billions-millions of years.
How, why we came to be was first researched by Darwinian works, we're yet to know what brought us into existence. Humans are still evolving according to many researches, we are in stage 3 or so, don't think evolution has completely stopped, it has not, it's just a very slow process.
How we all came from two couples is what you're yet to explain.
Keep on laughing at your ignorance and fallacies.
Was your contingent argument not from a source?
I denied the existence of Moses, Noah, Adam and Eve because they are myths, no evidence for their existence.
Noah story about the global flood is not the only myths.
Moses has no archaeological evidence for his historical figure.
Scholarly consensus is that the figure of Moses is legendary, and not historical, although a "Moses-like figure may have existed somewhere in the southern Transjordan in the mid-late 13th century B.C." Certainly no Egyptian sources mention Moses or the events of Exodus-Deuteronomy, nor has any archaeological evidence been discovered in Egypt or the Sinai wilderness to support the story in which he is the central figure.
Ofcos Adam and Eve are ancient origin myth, the story is against Evolutionary discoveries.
It's not a most, if you can accept some ancient myths in a fairy book, why do you find it hard to accept Santa's prophecies?
You never care if I was born a Muslim and left?
You have not provide any proof.
I'm waiting for you to disprove Olorun and Brahma and stop avoiding this question.
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 7:46am On Jan 13, 2018|
What do you mean by all scholars agree?
Islamic scholars, Christianity Scholars or your ignorant scientific scholars?
Your proof that human once looked like ape-specie?
On what argument was the research based on?
And if the evolution is true, why is it not continuous?
I mean why were you born instead of following YOUR normal evolution process?
Dr. Darwinian must have put a lot of efforts in his research.*A round of applause*
I still have issues with the start of the evolution, do you mind explaining it a little bit further for me to comprehend?
Don't you think the slow process of evolution needs a catalyst so that we all can really see, for ourselves; instead of we relying on Dr. Darwinian's research?
Thought science has already explained sexual procreation....
What do you mean by a source?
You denied it just because Wikipedia says so?
On what evidence?
A moses figure may have existed?
Why didn't science completely deny or accept it?
Guess they didn't get their facts right; hence, the use of MAY
Evolutionary discoveries is against common sense; including YOURS.
Coz I need Genuine evidence just like you seek for genuine evidence of Allah's existence.
Do I have to?
If it doesn't make sense; it doesn't deserve a bit of my ATTENTION.
And besides, since you intentionally deny everything; you think I need to disturb myself, further
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 10:10am On Jan 13, 2018|
Replying you is like I'm educating you.
Harbioye:All scholars agree means "Scholarly consensus", all scholars coming together to agree on some things.
Have you heard of fossils?
They are the remaining particles of prehistoric events, the bones is an example. These fossils are what it's used for evolutionary evidence. And this research is base on Anthropology.
I thought I've told you in my previous post, humans are still evolving, evolution is not something that happened over night like it's depicted in the Quran.
Thank goodness you applaud Darwin for his great work, I wonder why he's not seen as a prophet.
You want to know how evolution started? That's a long journey. I'm not an evolutionary biologist so kindly make use of Google.
Lol, You can go to the museum to see the fossils.
Evolution is a slow process, experiments are done on these fossils to determine how long they have existed.
Do you know how long this earth has been in existence?
# Science explained to me two identical genes of siblings procreating (incest, consanguinity) is disasterous.
# How did two couples populated the world with different races? Years it took?
The book, site etc you got your argument from.
Lol, do you know who started the contingent argument?
Not just because Wikipedia said it, there are no archaeological evidence to support the events and thier existence.
Why will they accept it? Moses-like is the same as Moses?
So because Thor is Sango-like means they are the same?
Did they find any archaeological evidence of Moses in Egypt, what century did he lived?
I'm very sure muslims reading this will be ashamed of thier brother here.
Since evolution discoveries is against common sense, how did Adam and Eve story make common sense? How did they populated the world with different races?
Do you agree Santa and Allah are in same category to prove thier existence?
Yes, you said I never bother studying the Quran.
Tell me how Olorun and Brahma are not the creator and stop dodging.
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 11:37am On Jan 13, 2018|
tintingz:Exactly my thought.
Replying you is a waste of time but I won't stop as long as my 5MB subscription isn't exhausted.
Are you fed up of teaching me?
You never can tell, I might end up sharing the same ideology with you (Aodhu billah)
And you think I'll applaud you for that?
Scholarly consensus, my foot.
Prehistoric events with no basis?
Or events that were assumed by your SCIENTISTS and ignorantly accepted by you?
Why the sudden change from scientific evolution of
Australopithecus - Homo Habilis - Homo Erectus - Homo Sapien
Or you mean to tell me you evolved from the Mr. above?
Prophet of Science? (if that's what you mean) -No problem
But prophet of Allah? - Audhu billah
I'll rather be educated by Mr. tingtingz himself; Lolz
A catalyst might be needed to speed up the whole process.
Don't you think so?
I don't, please enlighten me
How come you quickly generalize sex to siblings or close relations having sex together?
Are you telling me your parents were related?
Please tell me, I don't
Tell your archaeologist to search further. There research isn't enough; yet.
I'm sure my Muslims brothers have their common sense to understand what I really mean.
Else, you give me some proofs
You don't have to be a Muslim before you read the Qur'an.
Even if you're prohibited from holding the physical Qur'an, there are lots of Qur'an applications on different platforms you can download.
Dodge, you say?
I'll still dodge once again if that's how you see it.
I already give you an answer, you are not satisfied?, Not my problem
|Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 2:12pm On Jan 13, 2018|
Harbioye:You dont need the auzubillahi for this, you will surely gain somethings in the arguement.
And you think I'll applaud you for that?See your ignorance.
Even in Islam there is scholarly consensus.
Prehistoric events with no basis?Between the evidence of dinosaurs fossil and Adam, which one is a fact?
Let me know how you reason.
Why the sudden change from scientific evolution ofEducate yourself, i dont have the time posting epistles when you will still deny.
There are many theories on it, adaptive radiation(adaptation) is part of what caused the divergence.
Prophet of Science? (if that's what you mean) -No problemI will choose a Prophet of Science any day anytime who demonstrated his works with experiments and evidence than a Prophet that claim he rode on a flying unicorn to the sky.
I'll rather be educated by Mr. tingtingz himself; LolzI am not a biologists
A catalyst might be needed to speed up the whole process.When you talk about speeding up, what do you mean by it?
What i know is, there is macro-evolution and micro-evolution and both are two aspects of study.
I don't, please enlighten me
The earth age is calculated to be 4.54 billion years old.
How come you quickly generalize sex to siblings or close relations having sex together?Can you explain how Adam and Eve children procreated, i think that will make my question more understandable.
Please tell me, I don'tHere, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument
Tell your archaeologist to search further. There research isn't enough; yet.I am expecting muslim scholars to do the archaeological evidence of the events in the Quran.
I'm sure my Muslims brothers have their common sense to understand what I really mean.Any muslim that agree with you that evolutionary discoveries are against common sense are disgrace to human specie!
I don't.There are many books about Santa clause, that is the proof.
You don't have to be a Muslim before you read the Qur'an.Ok
Dodge, you say?Can you recall the answer?
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