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Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 12:41am On Jan 08, 2018
tintingz:

I'm talking about a thunderous voice sounding from the sky, and if we all brush it aside, at least we all certain believe a God exist and we won't be arguing about this right now.
You would still end up saying white man entered the sky and shout from there.

You are incredible and boring at the same time. Just wait for asrail and everything will be crystal clear.

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Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 9:57am On Jan 08, 2018
Empiree:
You would still end up saying white man entered the sky and shout from there.
You're joker, so white man will enter the sky and shook the world with a thunderous voice? grin


You are incredible and boring at the same time. Just wait for asrail and everything will be crystal clear.
Okay
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 3:55pm On Jan 08, 2018
tintingz:
You're joker, so white man will enter the sky and shook the world with a thunderous voice? grin

Okay
no, your are. I'm simply saying that's your possible answer if that was to happen.

The benefits you are enjoying for making lots of blameworthy speeches is bcuz of prophet Muhammad. Allah has said in the Quran that for as long as he is in our midst Allah will not punish us. That's why many get away here on Earth but they can never get away with it in the grave.

But other prophets would invoke God's wrath on their people. So enjoy it while it last. Bani Israel said they wanted to see God face to face but Allah dazed them with thunder. In 20th century Nigeria, a man that made similar statement in Yoruba land was 'Jabaru' a famous Islamic preacher. Allah silenced him until he died. So keep it up
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 4:54pm On Jan 08, 2018
Empiree:
no, your are. I'm simply saying that's your possible answer if that was to happen.

The benefits you are enjoying for making lots of blameworthy speeches is bcuz of prophet Muhammad. Allah has said in the Quran that for as long as he is in our midst Allah will not punish us. That's why many get away here on Earth but they can never get away with it in the grave.

But other prophets would invoke God's wrath on their people. So enjoy it while it last. Bani Israel said they wanted to see God face to face but Allah dazed them with thunder. In 20th century Nigeria, a man that made similar statement in Yoruba land was 'Jabaru' a famous Islamic preacher. Allah silenced him until he died. So keep it up
You're still joking, I'm enjoying now because of Almighty flying Spaghetti monster grace not because of an Arab man from the middle east.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Rashduct4luv(m): 7:05pm On Jan 08, 2018
Boda Empiree kini itumo " Se aje bu'gba je?" . . . lol
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 7:08pm On Jan 08, 2018
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Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 7:08pm On Jan 08, 2018
Rashduct4luv:
Boda Empiree kini itumo " Se aje bu'gba je?"
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lol
means "Se customers wa" or do you make sales?. Problem you guys have is ede (the use of language)
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 6:53pm On Jan 11, 2018
Mr. tintingz,
For you to believe there's no God, I believe you should have a definition for what you expect a God to be.

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Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 7:52pm On Jan 11, 2018
Harbioye:
Mr. tintingz,
For you to believe there's no God, I believe you should have a definition for what you expect a God to be.
Not that I don't want to believe there's a God, How i wish there is a big daddy up there watching over us but the thing is there is no sufficient evidence to prove God likewise we cannot disprove existence of God just the same way we can't disprove the existence of unicorns and fairies! The burden is left for the person who claim.(This is what I'm trying to make Empiree understand but he's not getting it because he's too dogmatic).

So, can you define God and which God?
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 8:25pm On Jan 11, 2018
tintingz:
Not that I don't want to believe there's a God, How i wish there is a big daddy up there watching over us but the thing is there is no sufficient evidence to prove God likewise we cannot disprove existence of God just the same way we can't disprove the existence of unicorns and fairies! The burden is left for the person who claim.(This is what I'm trying to make Empiree understand but he's not getting it because he's too dogmatic).

So, can you define God and which God?

I just need to know your perception of how a supreme God should be?
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 8:33pm On Jan 11, 2018
Harbioye:


I just need to know your perception of how a supreme God should be?
According to the definition on Google,

God: the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

So can you define your God and which God?
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by habbey99(m): 10:39pm On Jan 11, 2018
All praise is due to Allah, we send blessings and salutations upon our beloved prophet Muhammad his household companions and those who are on path of Islam till day of accountability.
Aje in Yoruba simply means money,
and when people are supplicating to one another that "Aje awa oo" our role as a Muslim is to add for the them,Aje awa oo and with the help of Allah,As Allah is the sources of money.
may Allah be pleased with us all
Ameen.
Asalam alaykm warahmatullah wabarakatuhu.

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Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 11:14pm On Jan 11, 2018
tintingz:
Not that I don't want to believe there's a God, How i wish there is a big daddy up there watching over us but the thing is there is no sufficient evidence to prove God likewise we cannot disprove existence of God just the same way we can't disprove the existence of unicorns and fairies! The burden is left for the person who claim.(This is what I'm trying to make Emp.iree understand but he's not getting it because he's too dogmatic).

So, can you define God and which God?
Answer him
Harbioye:


I just need to know your perception of how a supreme God should be?
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Empiree: 11:18pm On Jan 11, 2018
habbey99:
All praise is due to Allah, we send blessings and salutations upon our beloved prophet Muhammad his household companions and those who are on path of Islam till day of accountability.
Aje in Yoruba simply means money,
and when people are supplicating to one another that "Aje awa oo" our role as a Muslim is to add for the them,Aje awa oo and with the help of Allah,As Allah is the sources of money.
may Allah be pleased with us all
Ameen.
Asalam alaykm warahmatullah wabarakatuhu.
This is what i was trying to say. To PURIFY the meaning, even though they had questionable attributions to it.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 7:03am On Jan 12, 2018
tintingz:
According to the definition on Google,

God: the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

So can you define your God and which God?


Since ur definition is based on Google, I'll base mine on the Qur'an

The God I serve is the creator of the universe, the one with the knowledge of the known and the unknown, the Almighty, the Supreme.

ALLAH

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Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 8:00am On Jan 12, 2018
Harbioye:


Since ur definition is based on Google, I'll base mine on the Qur'an

The God I serve is the creator of the universe, the one with the knowledge of the known and the unknown, the Almighty, the Supreme.

ALLAH

# Why is Allah the creator of the universe? Why not Brahma or Olorun?

# "One with the Knowledge of known and the unknown", do you mind explaining this part before I pull the trigger?

# Then let's discuss why, how Allah is the almighty and supreme?
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 5:21pm On Jan 12, 2018
tintingz:


# Why is Allah the creator of the universe? Why not Brahma or Olorun?

# "One with the Knowledge of known and the unknown", do you mind explaining this part before I pull the trigger?

# Then let's discuss why, how Allah is the almighty and supreme?

Coz the Qur'an said so.
And u mind why I believe the Qur'an?
Because out of 100% of the prophecies and message in the Qur'an, no one and I mean no one is yet to prove any of them wrong.

Now to my analysis.


Everything we see around us is contingent

“A contingent thing is something that may either exist or not exist; its nature does not guarantee that it exists. Although all the things we experience directly are indeed contingent, there is also something else that exists necessarily, in other words, whose very nature guarantees that it exists.

“Since a contingent thing on its own merit could either exist or not exist, it must have some external cause that made it exist - like ‘tipping the scales’ in favor of its existence rather than its non-existence.

“So take Mr. tingtingz , for instance. You're contingent, meaning that you're the sort of thing that could easily have failed to exist. In fact, at one time you didn’t exist, and in the future you will cease to exist, that proves that you're not necessary.

“So there must have been a cause, maybe your parents, who brought you into existence. Now observe that the aggregate whole of all contingent things – in other words the physical universe – is also contingent. After all, everything in the universe is contingent, so taken all together as one thing, it too must be contingent. Thus it also needs an external cause, just like you do.


“Since that external cause has to be outside the whole aggregate of contingent things, it cannot itself be contingent. So it is necessary that there is a necessary existent which causes all other things! And this, of course, is Allah."

Why not Olorun or Brahma?

Coz Brahma and Olorun from the history books I read, were both creatures living in this world.
So, how can a creature already in this world create the world itself?
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 6:44pm On Jan 12, 2018
Harbioye:


Coz the Qur'an said so.
And u mind why I believe the Qur'an?
Because out of 100% of the prophecies and message in the Qur'an, no one and I mean no one is yet to prove any of them wrong.
Because the Quran said so is now a logic?

What prophecies are you talking about? Is it the myth of Gog and Magog? Or the tall building stuff? I can provide you scientific errors in the Quran, I can provide research and discoveries by scholars before Muhammad was even born!


Now to my analysis.


Everything we see around us is contingent

“A contingent thing is something that may either exist or not exist; its nature does not guarantee that it exists. Although all the things we experience directly are indeed contingent, there is also something else that exists necessarily, in other words, whose very nature guarantees that it exists.

“Since a contingent thing on its own merit could either exist or not exist, it must have some external cause that made it exist - like ‘tipping the scales’ in favor of its existence rather than its non-existence.

“So take Mr. tingtingz , for instance. You're contingent, meaning that you're the sort of thing that could easily have failed to exist. In fact, at one time you didn’t exist, and in the future you will cease to exist, that proves that you're not necessary.

“So there must have been a cause, maybe your parents, who brought you into existence. Now observe that the aggregate whole of all contingent things – in other words the physical universe – is also contingent. After all, everything in the universe is contingent, so taken all together as one thing, it too must be contingent. Thus it also needs an external cause, just like you do.


“Since that external cause has to be outside the whole aggregate of contingent things, it cannot itself be contingent. So it is necessary that there is a necessary existent which causes all other things! And this, of course, is Allah."
This contingent argument is full of fallacies and problematic to the premises of "something must cause something". And the funniest and irrational thing about your post is you're quick to input Allah to the gap, other Gods can't fit in right? Deist God is even more fit to this argument not a personal God.

I've answered this before, here is it,

Your statements here is still problematic to the premises that "everything must have a cause" you can't just focus on argument you feel like it suit you, you must follow the premises, the same premises argument still stands, what could cause the contingent? Is it by neccesity reasoning or by mistake, capricious?

If it is by reasoning then where does the reasoning comes from, what is the source? If it is by mistake you agree god made a mistake?

https://www.nairaland.com/4099348/allah-everywhere-sees-everything/2#61247180

In adds, if the first cause is not necessary to have a cause then why can't we use same argument for the universe (or the multiverse)?


Why not Olorun or Brahma?

Coz Brahma and Olorun from the history books I read, were both creatures living in this world.
So, how can a creature already in this world create the world itself?
Lol, from which history books? grin

Brahma:

Brahma is a creator god in Hinduism. He has four faces.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma

Olorun:

The Supreme God has three manifestations: Olodumare, the Creator; Olorun, ruler of the heavens; and Olofi, who is the conduit between Orún (Heaven) and Ayé (Earth).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olorun

You can see the two Gods are both creators and supreme God, but your ignorance and sentiment concluded they are creation on earth which make Allah your Supreme God.

Since I've provide link that both Brahma and Olorun are creators and Supreme Gods, give me good reason why Allah is the true and only supreme God, give a logical reasons with evidence to falsify/disprove the other Gods.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 9:02pm On Jan 12, 2018
tintingz:
Because the Quran said so is now a logic?

What prophecies are you talking about? Is it the myth of Gog and Magog? Or the tall building stuff? I can provide you scientific errors in the Quran, I can provide research and discoveries by scholars before Muhammad was even born!

Did u just say Gog and Maggog?
Coz it hasn't happen doesn't mean it's not gonna happen
Get that?
Scientific Errors indeed.
I'll be waiting for your 1001 scientific errors in the Qur'an

This contingent argument is full of fallacies and problematic to the premises of "something must cause something". And the funniest and irrational thing about your post is you're quick to input Allah to the gap, other Gods can't fit in right? Deist God is even more fit to this argument not a personal God.

Fallacy Indeed!!!
Mind telling me what type of fallacy it contains and the exceptions of the contingent analysis
You're joking, man

Common sense which is greater than your science tells me that " if I have a book that became known to man for as long as you can imagine and this book contains zero errors and this book contains fulfilled and yet to be fulfilled prophesies, histories which can't be denied ", I have to respect the author of that book.


Olorun and Bahma;
Can you tell me proof of their existence?
If No, then you have no point coz @ least I can still trace my Allah through a source - the Qur'an;

I'm sure you've read 10s/100s of books
Have you ever try to read the Qur'an, to widen your knowledge a little bit?
No, you won't.
No, you can't.

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Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 10:11pm On Jan 12, 2018
Harbioye:

Did u just say Gog and Maggog?
Coz it hasn't happen doesn't mean it's not gonna happen
Get that?
Gog and maggog is an ancient greek myth and recycled story in the Abrahamic books(Bible and Quran). Go and search for the legend story Alexander Romance and compare it with the Quran(Dhul Qaynan, Gog and maggog story).



Scientific Errors indeed.
I'll be waiting for your 1001 scientific errors in the Qur'an
Let's start with the simple part, science discovered Humanity begins as an evolutionary process, now from your scientific book Quran, explain how humanity started by two couples?


Fallacy Indeed!!!
Mind telling me what type of fallacy it contains and the exceptions of the contingent analysis
You're joking, man
I'm very sure you don't understand the contingent argument, you just copy and paste it without proper understanding.

Again I ask,
# What could cause the contingent? Is it by neccesity reasoning or by mistake, capricious?

# If the first cause is not necessary to have a cause then why can't we use same argument for the universe (or the multiverse)?

CCommon sense which is greater than your science tells me that " if I have a book that became known to man for as long as you can imagine and this book contains zero errors and this book contains fulfilled and yet to be fulfilled prophesies, histories which can't be denied ", I have to respect the author of that book.
# Is the story of Noah, Moses historical? any historicity evidence for thier story?

# Did Adam and Eve ever existed?

# Can you deny the prophecy that santa save people In the past and as well will come back in the future to save humanity?


I'm sure you've read 10s/100s of books
Have you ever try to read the Qur'an, to widen your knowledge a little bit?
No, you won't.
No, you can't.
Do you bother asking the religion I once belong?

You're yet to prove how Olorun and Brahma are not creators and supreme God.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 12:05am On Jan 13, 2018
tintingz:
Gog and maggog is an ancient greek myth and recycled story in the Abrahamic books(Bible and Quran). Go and search for the legend story Alexander Romance and compare it with the Quran(Dhul Qaynan, Gog and maggog story).

Can't stop laughing, man.
How sure are you that the Mr. Alexander story isn't fabricated?
Of course you don't care to know



Let's start with the simple part, science discovered Humanity begins as an evolutionary process, now from your scientific book Quran, explain how humanity started by two couples?


Clap for yourself
Even as a little boy in a social studies class, I never believed the Australopithecus-Homo whatever story..
I find it so difficult to understand how people digest such a man made story.
If truly Mr. Australopithecus actually evolved to human, according to science. How come you, me and our ancestors, were born?
Why didn't we evolve from Australopithecus version.


I'm very sure you don't understand the contingent argument, you just copy and paste it without proper understanding.

Again I ask,
# What could cause the contingent? Is it by neccesity reasoning or by mistake, capricious?

# If the first cause is not necessary to have a cause then why can't we use same argument for the universe (or the multiverse)?

Can't stop laughing..
Mind telling me the kind of fallacy in contingent analysis without consulting Mr. Google?


# Is the story of Noah, Moses historical? any historicity evidence for thier story?

# Did Adam and Eve ever existed?

Even you can't deny their existence and if you want to, what's your proof?



# Can you deny the prophecy that santa save people In the past and as well will come back in the future to save humanity?


Must I accept it?


Do you bother asking the religion I once belong?
Like I really care whether you were born, an atheist or you made yourself one.



You're yet to prove how Olorun and Brahma are not creators and supreme God.

If you are not satisfied with my proofs, I'm sorry to disappoint you.
As for me and my family, La illaha illa Allah.....
I'm sure you know what it means
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 6:45am On Jan 13, 2018
Harbioye:


Can't stop laughing, man.
How sure are you that the Mr. Alexander story isn't fabricated?
Of course you don't care to know
Alexander Romance legend was a popular mythological story known long before Islam even surface, the Bible borrowed it, the Quran also did same from a Syriac legend.

No scholars disagree with the legend of Alexander Romance, even if it was fabricated it doesn't disprove the legend was known before Islam came.


Clap for yourself
Even as a little boy in a social studies class, I never believed the Australopithecus-Homo whatever story..
I find it so difficult to understand how people digest such a man made story.
If truly Mr. Australopithecus actually evolved to human, according to science. How come you, me and our ancestors, were born?
Why didn't we evolve from Australopithecus version.
Evolution is not a man-made story, they are researches with evidence agreed by all scientists even religious scientists.

Humans do not evolve directly from apes, if that's what you meant by Australopithecus, but humans, apes and some other species share same ancestors, humans once look like an ape-like specie but not actually ape. Evolution is a very slow process that took billions-millions of years.

How, why we came to be was first researched by Darwinian works, we're yet to know what brought us into existence. Humans are still evolving according to many researches, we are in stage 3 or so, don't think evolution has completely stopped, it has not, it's just a very slow process.

How we all came from two couples is what you're yet to explain.



Can't stop laughing..
Mind telling me the kind of fallacy in contingent analysis without consulting Mr. Google?
Keep on laughing at your ignorance and fallacies.

Was your contingent argument not from a source?


Even you can't deny their existence and if you want to, what's your proof?
I denied the existence of Moses, Noah, Adam and Eve because they are myths, no evidence for their existence.

Noah story about the global flood is not the only myths.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

Moses has no archaeological evidence for his historical figure.

Scholarly consensus is that the figure of Moses is legendary, and not historical, although a "Moses-like figure may have existed somewhere in the southern Transjordan in the mid-late 13th century B.C." Certainly no Egyptian sources mention Moses or the events of Exodus-Deuteronomy, nor has any archaeological evidence been discovered in Egypt or the Sinai wilderness to support the story in which he is the central figure.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

Ofcos Adam and Eve are ancient origin myth, the story is against Evolutionary discoveries.



Must I accept it?
It's not a most, if you can accept some ancient myths in a fairy book, why do you find it hard to accept Santa's prophecies?


Like I really care whether you were born, an atheist or you made yourself one.
You never care if I was born a Muslim and left?


If you are not satisfied with my proofs, I'm sorry to disappoint you.
As for me and my family, La illaha illa Allah.....
I'm sure you know what it means
You have not provide any proof.

I'm waiting for you to disprove Olorun and Brahma and stop avoiding this question.
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 7:46am On Jan 13, 2018
tintingz:
Alexander Romance legend was a popular mythological story known long before Islam even surface, the Bible borrowed it, the Quran also did same from a Syriac legend.

No scholars disagree with the legend of Alexander Romance, even if it was fabricated it doesn't disprove the legend was known before Islam came.


What do you mean by all scholars agree?
Islamic scholars, Christianity Scholars or your ignorant scientific scholars?


Evolution is not a man-made story, they are researches with evidence agreed by all scientists even religious scientists.

Humans do not evolve directly from apes, if that's what you meant by Australopithecus, but humans, apes and some other species share same ancestors, humans once look like an ape-like specie but not actually ape. Evolution is a very slow process that took billions-millions of years.
Your proof that human once looked like ape-specie?
On what argument was the research based on?
And if the evolution is true, why is it not continuous?
I mean why were you born instead of following YOUR normal evolution process?


How, why we came to be was first researched by Darwinian works, we're yet to know what brought us into existence. Humans are still evolving according to many researches, we are in stage 3 or so, don't think evolution has completely stopped, it has not, it's just a very slow process.

Dr. Darwinian must have put a lot of efforts in his research.*A round of applause*
I still have issues with the start of the evolution, do you mind explaining it a little bit further for me to comprehend?

Don't you think the slow process of evolution needs a catalyst so that we all can really see, for ourselves; instead of we relying on Dr. Darwinian's research?


How we all came from two couples is what you're yet to explain.

Thought science has already explained sexual procreation....


Keep on laughing at your ignorance and fallacies.

Was your contingent argument not from a source?

What do you mean by a source?


I denied the existence of Moses, Noah, Adam and Eve because they are myths, no evidence for their existence.

Noah story about the global flood is not the only myths.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

Moses has no archaeological evidence for his historical figure.


You denied it just because Wikipedia says so?
On what evidence?



Scholarly consensus is that the figure of Moses is legendary, and not historical, although a "Moses-like figure may have existed somewhere in the southern Transjordan in the mid-late 13th century B.C." Certainly no Egyptian sources mention Moses or the events of Exodus-Deuteronomy, nor has any archaeological evidence been discovered in Egypt or the Sinai wilderness to support the story in which he is the central figure.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses


A moses figure may have existed?
Why didn't science completely deny or accept it?
Guess they didn't get their facts right; hence, the use of MAY



Ofcos Adam and Eve are ancient origin myth, the story is against Evolutionary discoveries.

Evolutionary discoveries is against common sense; including YOURS.


It's not a most, if you can accept some ancient myths in a fairy book, why do you find it hard to accept Santa's prophecies?
Coz I need Genuine evidence just like you seek for genuine evidence of Allah's existence.


You never care if I was born a Muslim and left?
Do I have to?


You have not provide any proof.

I'm waiting for you to disprove Olorun and Brahma and stop avoiding this question.

If it doesn't make sense; it doesn't deserve a bit of my ATTENTION.
And besides, since you intentionally deny everything; you think I need to disturb myself, further
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 10:10am On Jan 13, 2018
Replying you is like I'm educating you.

Harbioye:


What do you mean by all scholars agree?
Islamic scholars, Christianity Scholars or your ignorant scientific scholars?
All scholars agree means "Scholarly consensus", all scholars coming together to agree on some things.



Your proof that human once looked like ape-specie?
On what argument was the research based on?
And if the evolution is true, why is it not continuous?
I mean why were you born instead of following YOUR normal evolution process?
Have you heard of fossils?

They are the remaining particles of prehistoric events, the bones is an example. These fossils are what it's used for evolutionary evidence. And this research is base on Anthropology.

I thought I've told you in my previous post, humans are still evolving, evolution is not something that happened over night like it's depicted in the Quran.


Dr. Darwinian must have put a lot of efforts in his research.*A round of applause*
I still have issues with the start of the evolution, do you mind explaining it a little bit further for me to comprehend?
Thank goodness you applaud Darwin for his great work, I wonder why he's not seen as a prophet. grin

You want to know how evolution started? That's a long journey. I'm not an evolutionary biologist so kindly make use of Google.


Don't you think the slow process of evolution needs a catalyst so that we all can really see, for ourselves; instead of we relying on Dr. Darwinian's research?
Lol, You can go to the museum to see the fossils.

Evolution is a slow process, experiments are done on these fossils to determine how long they have existed.

Do you know how long this earth has been in existence?


Thought science has already explained sexual procreation....
# Science explained to me two identical genes of siblings procreating (incest, consanguinity) is disasterous.

# How did two couples populated the world with different races? Years it took?



What do you mean by a source?
The book, site etc you got your argument from.

Lol, do you know who started the contingent argument?


You denied it just because Wikipedia says so?
On what evidence?
Not just because Wikipedia said it, there are no archaeological evidence to support the events and thier existence.


A moses figure may have existed?
Why didn't science completely deny or accept it?
Guess they didn't get their facts right; hence, the use of MAY
Why will they accept it? Moses-like is the same as Moses?

So because Thor is Sango-like means they are the same?

Did they find any archaeological evidence of Moses in Egypt, what century did he lived?


Evolutionary discoveries is against common sense; including YOURS.
I'm very sure muslims reading this will be ashamed of thier brother here. grin

Since evolution discoveries is against common sense, how did Adam and Eve story make common sense? How did they populated the world with different races? grin


Coz I need Genuine evidence just like you seek for genuine evidence of Allah's existence.
Do you agree Santa and Allah are in same category to prove thier existence?


Do I have to?
Yes, you said I never bother studying the Quran.



If it doesn't make sense; it doesn't deserve a bit of my ATTENTION.
And besides, since you intentionally deny everything; you think I need to disturb myself, further
Tell me how Olorun and Brahma are not the creator and stop dodging. grin
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by Nobody: 11:37am On Jan 13, 2018
tintingz:
Replying you is like I'm educating you.
Exactly my thought.
Replying you is a waste of time but I won't stop as long as my 5MB subscription isn't exhausted.
Are you fed up of teaching me?
You never can tell, I might end up sharing the same ideology with you (Aodhu billah)

All scholars agree means "Scholarly consensus", all scholars coming together to agree on some things.

And you think I'll applaud you for that?
Scholarly consensus, my foot.



Have you heard of fossils?

They are the remaining particles of prehistoric events, the bones is an example. These fossils are what it's used for evolutionary evidence. And this research is base on Anthropology.


Prehistoric events with no basis?
Or events that were assumed by your SCIENTISTS and ignorantly accepted by you?


I thought I've told you in my previous post, humans are still evolving, evolution is not something that happen over night like it's depicted in the Quran.
Why the sudden change from scientific evolution of

Australopithecus - Homo Habilis - Homo Erectus - Homo Sapien

To childbirth?
Or you mean to tell me you evolved from the Mr. above?

Thank goodness you applaud Darwin for his great work, I wonder why he's not seen as a prophet. grin
Prophet of Science? (if that's what you mean) -No problem

But prophet of Allah? - Audhu billah

You want to know how evolution started? That's a long journey. I'm not an evolutionary biologist so kindly make use of Google.

Lol, You go to the museum to see the fossils.


I'll rather be educated by Mr. tingtingz himself; Lolz


Evolution is slow process, experiments are done on these fossils to determine how long they have existed.
A catalyst might be needed to speed up the whole process.
Don't you think so?


Do you know how long these earth has been in existence?
I don't, please enlighten me


# Science told me two identical genes of siblings procreating (incest, consanguinity) is disasterous.

# How did two couples populated the world with different races? Years it took?
How come you quickly generalize sex to siblings or close relations having sex together?

Are you telling me your parents were related?


The book, site etc you got your argument from.

Lol, do you know who started the contingent argument?
Please tell me, I don't


Not just because Wikipedia said it, there are no archaeological evidence to support the events and existence.

Why will they accept it? Moses-like is the same as Moses?

So because Thor is Sango-like means they are the same?

Did they find any archaeological evidence of Moses in Egypt, what century did he lived?

Tell your archaeologist to search further. There research isn't enough; yet.


I'm very sure muslims reading this will be ashamed of thier brother here. grin

Since evolution discoveries is against common sense, how did Adam and Eve story make common sense? How did they populated the world with races? grin
I'm sure my Muslims brothers have their common sense to understand what I really mean.


Do you agree Santa and Allah are in same category to prove thier existence?
I don't.
Else, you give me some proofs


Yes, you said I never bother studying the Quran.
You don't have to be a Muslim before you read the Qur'an.
Even if you're prohibited from holding the physical Qur'an, there are lots of Qur'an applications on different platforms you can download.


Tell me how Olorun and Brahma are not the creator and stop dodging. grin

Dodge, you say?
I'll still dodge once again if that's how you see it.
I already give you an answer, you are not satisfied?, Not my problem
Re: What Is The Islamic View On Aje? by tintingz(m): 2:12pm On Jan 13, 2018
Harbioye:

Exactly my thought.
Replying you is a waste of time but I won't stop as long as my 5MB subscription isn't exhausted.
Are you fed up of teaching me?
You never can tell, I might end up sharing the same ideology with you (Aodhu billah)
You dont need the auzubillahi for this, you will surely gain somethings in the arguement.


And you think I'll applaud you for that?
Scholarly consensus, my foot.
See your ignorance.

Even in Islam there is scholarly consensus.


Prehistoric events with no basis?
Or events that were assumed by your SCIENTISTS and ignorantly accepted by you?
Between the evidence of dinosaurs fossil and Adam, which one is a fact?

Let me know how you reason.


Why the sudden change from scientific evolution of

Australopithecus - Homo Habilis - Homo Erectus - Homo Sapien

To childbirth?
Or you mean to tell me you evolved from the Mr. above?
Educate yourself, i dont have the time posting epistles when you will still deny.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

There are many theories on it, adaptive radiation(adaptation) is part of what caused the divergence.

Prophet of Science? (if that's what you mean) -No problem

But prophet of Allah? - Audhu billah
I will choose a Prophet of Science any day anytime who demonstrated his works with experiments and evidence than a Prophet that claim he rode on a flying unicorn to the sky.


I'll rather be educated by Mr. tingtingz himself; Lolz
I am not a biologists grin


A catalyst might be needed to speed up the whole process.
Don't you think so?
When you talk about speeding up, what do you mean by it?

What i know is, there is macro-evolution and micro-evolution and both are two aspects of study.


I don't, please enlighten me

The earth age is calculated to be 4.54 billion years old.

How come you quickly generalize sex to siblings or close relations having sex together?

Are you telling me your parents were related?
Can you explain how Adam and Eve children procreated, i think that will make my question more understandable.


Please tell me, I don't
Here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument



Tell your archaeologist to search further. There research isn't enough; yet.
I am expecting muslim scholars to do the archaeological evidence of the events in the Quran.


I'm sure my Muslims brothers have their common sense to understand what I really mean.
Any muslim that agree with you that evolutionary discoveries are against common sense are disgrace to human specie!


I don't.
Else, you give me some proofs
There are many books about Santa clause, that is the proof.


You don't have to be a Muslim before you read the Qur'an.
Even if you're prohibited from holding the physical Qur'an, there are lots of Qur'an applications on different platforms you can download.
Ok

Dodge, you say?
I'll still dodge once again if that's how you see it.
I already give you an answer, you are not satisfied?, Not my problem
Can you recall the answer?

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