jagunlabi:

Really? Are you in the moviemaking business?
I was once in the christianity business . . . more like an observer(i have to admit) than anything else because i was never really into it. When i got tired of the whole circus, i simply walked away because my mind got too big for what i am being asked to believe in.  My mind simply refused to reside in the tiny cage that was being put before me. I knew that there has to be much more to God than what this religion was teaching me. I just found the whole christian faith thing to be one big fakery, so i walked away from it all to learn more about myself, my creator, and the world around me on my own. In other words, i became a freethinker, a rebel, a heretic(in christian speak ). And i am loving it moment by moment.

Nope. am not in the movie business but I just like to do different stuff as a hobby.

Awwww. . . . ,  . . .    U reminded me of a friend. And now I can see why you have a different mentality compare to the rest. Well my dear, I just want you to remember one thing. When you enter a church or a mosque or a temple, u need to remember that you are dealing and meeting and coming across different types of people with different preferences, different likings and dislikes and different mentality. When you go to church, always remember that you are going there for God and no one else. I once got really sick and tired of the church which I go cause there seem to be alot of hypocrites and alot of them complains of the choir . music I do in church but the weirdest thing is outsiders from other church and of course quite a number in my own church praises the music and songs I do for mass. The so called leaders of the church immediately set rules on how should I do my music and such. And also donations which I have collected for the church and pass to the leaders for the church, what they do? They put the money in their pocket and there was no report about the money being donated and they say they misplace the money and seek forgiveness from God.

I use to be that person which hated the church but my bf told me that I shouldnt let some people to bring me down. Than I thought to myself, I guess this is a test to see how strong my faith can be for God. So u know what I did? I wrote a letter to the Bishop telling him about the missing Donation money and there was no record, i told him about the leaders whom should be at retirement age and that the church should employed someone more fresher to run the church. My father and mother is now handling the finance of the church and its getting better and as for my music, I dont give sh . .it what they wanna say. I do my thang and theres no way they can stop me!  They mock me and I make as if I did not hear anything or that I hear a mouse squeeking. Besides, I dont worship them. I worship God. My Father.

Gabry:

Awwww. . . . ,  . . .    U reminded me of a friend. And now I can see why you have a different mentality compare to the rest. Well my dear, I just want you to remember one thing. When you enter a church or a mosque or a temple, u need to remember that you are dealing and meeting and coming across different types of people with different preferences, different likings and dislikes and different mentality. When you go to church, always remember that you are going there for God and no one else. I once got really sick and tired of the church which I go cause there seem to be alot of hypocrites and alot of them complains of the choir . music I do in church but the weirdest thing is outsiders from other church and of course quite a number in my own church praises the music and songs I do for mass. The so called leaders of the church immediately set rules on how should I do my music and such. And also donations which I have collected for the church and pass to the leaders for the church, what they do? They put the money in their pocket and there was no report about the money being donated and they say they misplace the money and seek forgiveness from God.

I use to be that person which hated the church but my bf told me that I shouldnt let some people to bring me down. Than I thought to myself, I guess this is a test to see how strong my faith can be for God. So u know what I did? I wrote a letter to the Bishop telling him about the missing Donation money and there was no record, i told him about the leaders whom should be at retirement age and that the church should employed someone more fresher to run the church. My father and mother is now handling the finance of the church and its getting better and as for my music, I dont give sh . .it what they wanna say. I do my thang and theres no way they can stop me!  They mock me and I make as if I did not hear anything or that I hear a mouse squeeking. Besides, I dont worship them. I worship God. My Father.

You know what, even though i still attend church services occasionally, i never attend services to meet God because i know i carry God all around with me. God is within all creation and not caged in buildings. That is one of the first thing i learned about God. If God is omnipresent, then it has to be everywhere, so why go to some particular temples to meet it? Totally senseless and false teaching. If i need to get close to my creator, i simply meditate. I bury myself in the stillness. Be still and know that i am God. I don't need a church service for that.

I go to these services strictly to socialise, that is all. Church services offer great opportunities to socialise and make friends with new people. I don't go there to get any spiritual food for my soul because i know i won't get it. A person like me needs teachers and not preachers.The latter abound in the christian faith and i don't listen to them because they never have anything new and of any spiritual depth to say.

jagunlabi:

You know what, even though i still attend church services occasionally, i never attend services to meet God because i know i carry God all around with me. God is within all creation and not caged in buildings. That is one of the first thing i learned about God. If God is omnipresent, then it has to be everywhere, so why go to some particular temples to meet it? Totally senseless and false teaching. If i need to get close to my creator, i simply meditate. I bury myself in the stillness. Be still and know that i am God. I don't need a church service for that.

I go to these services strictly to socialise, that is all. Church services offer great opportunities to socialise and make friends with new people. I don't go there to get any spiritual food for my soul because i know i won't get it. A person like me needs teachers and not preachers.The latter abound in the christian faith and i don't listen to them because they never have anything new and of any spiritual depth to say.

Yes,you are so right. I go to church whenever I want to. I come to realize that when I go to church, i made friends whom are nice (and at least they are not hypocritical ) and we get to exchange knowledge about God, about the religion and also even on our personal life issues. These friends I met have helped me alot of times through thick and thin when I have problems and I even help them. Than it made me realize that no everybody in the church is bad and not everybody in the church is false. I love playing music instruments and where I come from, theres no where you can play only if you are at home. So I met a group of people whom could play music instruments and sing and they do it for church so we exchange ideas and knowledge concerning towards Christian songs and what to play for mass and stuff like that. It keeps me going and it makes me feel happy. So yes, u are right in a way, to socialize. Besides I find it a little hard to concentrate praying to God in church when infront of you and beside of you they are kids screaming and shouting while digging their booger with their finger and stuff like that

i like your spirit Gabry all but satanism and mary worship though and since no religion tells you to commit sin and crime,i take it that you are on the high way to the almighty if you follow the teachings.

it just amazes me that someone who practices christianity and islam could be this tolerant when both religions identify themselves as the only high way to heaven.i know christians to believe that theirs is the one and only and this can be evident in maykelly's "woe" thread.the mildest of christians are those that believe that anyone who does good irrespective of religion will go to heaven even though john.3.14-16 talks against it and those ones dont as much as practice the other religions.

you are one of a kind for even my tolerance has limits.welldone

jagunlabi:

It is once said by a wise man that the "truth" is like a gigantic mirror smashed on the ground into hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of pieces. Each person comes along and pick one single piece from the multitude of pieces of this mirror, calls it "THE ONLY TRUTH", and build a whole religion or philosophy around that single piece . And not only that, as more people come along and pick one piece each, they all declare they have the only truth and then they inexplicably start battling each other for supremacy over who has the real truth, the whole mirror, not knowing that what each of them have in their possession is only a piece of the broken mirror each. They shout, curse, judge, maim, kill and destroy each other over who owns the only truth when they are all holding only parts of the whole mirror, the whole truth. Is that not madness borne of ignorance? Is that not insanity in it's most extreme form? You will find such madness going on here on nairaland religion forum. It can be truly hilarious sometimes to watch people argue on whose piece of broken mirror is the whole mirror!Hahaha!

To ever get close to the "truth" a man needs a vastly open mind, a vast consciousness, and not a caged  and narrow mind that causes nothing but a very very very limited tunnel vision that can only allow the sighting of one single piece of the truth at a time.

if there are multitudinous pieces that are a part of a whole, then each piece should fit right in with the next, support it, their tenets should oil each other and strengthen such that as they are laid side by side they fit perfectly to form the mirror.
If u think this is analogous to religion hahaha u must be seriously deluded. most religions account of God and his nature, what he wants from us, and the way to get to him are in complete contradiction to the others. . . .

Ur half mirror analogy also points to the fact that each religion should tell only a little about God. . . maybe one religion should talk about his nature, another should talk about the way to get to him, another should talk about his commandments, another should talk about creation, and thats how religions should be. . . thus u can see how misconceived the analogy appears to be.

Imagine we want to build the perfect man:
should we get men with perfect characteristics and join them together. should we get a man with the perfect hand, another man with the perfect eyes, another man with the perfect mouth. . . . and join them all together??
That will not make the perfect man. . . that will make a confused constitution made out of the perfect parts that cannot combine to form a perfect whole

Be wise. God is absolute. He is.

And of course all religions have truths just as If I want to prove to you that 2+2=5, I could start out with 2 = 1+1 (which is true), however not all proofs giv us the right answer, which is what we need.
God has given you the right answer, not a bunch of impurities that have to be filtered then joined together to constitute a not-so-absolute God

Gabry. . . accepting all answers to a question does not make it right

If in the exam hall they asked you what 6 - 5 is and you wrote 1, 2,3,4,5. . . to infinity. . . guess what would happen??

@Gabry:

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Joh 14:3  And if I'm on my way to get your room ready, I'll come back and get you so you can live where I live.
Joh 14:4  And you already know the road I'm taking."
Joh 14:5  Thomas said, "Master, we have no idea where you're going. [size=18pt]How do you expect us to know the road?[/size]"
[size=20pt]Joh 14:6  Jesus said, "I am the Road, also the Truth, also the Life. No one gets to the Father apart from me. [/size]
Joh 14:7  If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him. You've even seen him!"
Joh 14:8  Philip said, "Master, show us the Father; then we'll be content."
Joh 14:9  "You've been with me all this time, Philip, and you still don't understand? To see me is to see the Father. So how can you ask, 'Where is the Father?'
Joh 14:10  Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I speak to you aren't mere words. I don't just make them up on my own. The Father who resides in me crafts each word into a divine act.
Joh 14:11  "Believe me: I am in my Father and my Father is in me. If you can't believe that, believe what you see--these works.

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Except you want to disregard Jesus' words, he was indeed very particular that there was only "correct answer". Regardless of anyone's worldview and prejudice, Jesus is, in common, held as the possibly greatest teacher who ever existed, teaching truths that were way out of common current knowledge. So at the very least, He knew what He was saying. Jesus' words are the most important ones I relate to in the Bible. Everything else comes next.

v4. The road Jesus was taking is well known to every discussant on this thread. It wasn't inclusive of every possible worldview.
v5. How do you expect us to know the road? i.e. what is the "answer" as Gabry, jagunlabi and streetwize have all added 2+2
v6. I rest my case

PostScript: Your religious views? Jesus didn't accept. He indicated a very narrow road, most people miss it.

streetwize:

if there are multitudinous pieces that are a part of a whole, then each piece should fit right in with the next, support it, their tenets should oil each other and strengthen such that as they are laid side by side they fit perfectly to form the mirror.
If u think this is analogous to religion hahaha u must be seriously deluded. most religions account of God and his nature, what he wants from us, and the way to get to him are in complete contradiction to the others. . . .

your half mirror analogy also points to the fact that each religion should tell only a little about God. . . maybe one religion should talk about his nature, another should talk about the way to get to him, another should talk about his commandments, another should talk about creation, and thats how religions should be. . . thus u can see how misconceived the analogy appears to be.

Imagine we want to build the perfect man:
should we get men with perfect characteristics and join them together. should we get a man with the perfect hand, another man with the perfect eyes, another man with the perfect mouth. . . . and join them all together??
That will not make the perfect man. . . that will make a confused constitution made out of the perfect parts that cannot combine to form a perfect whole

Be wise. God is absolute. He is.

And of course all religions have truths just as If I want to prove to you that 2+2=5, I could start out with 2 = 1+1 (which is true), however not all proofs giv us the right answer, which is what we need.
God has given you the right answer, not a bunch of impurities that have to be filtered then joined together to constitute a not-so-absolute God

You responded exactly the way a closeminded person would, and i understand why you have to hold your ground to defend the reasons for your closemindedness. That is your own call, but a more expanded mind and consciousness already picked up on what i meant and processed the meaning in a proper way.

The analogy is mostly figurative which conveys an important message that in every area of philosophy or schools of thought, there hide bits and pieces of truth. One has to look at a broad range of these disciplines to get a whiff of the overview of the truth in it's vastness(does not have to be the whole truth), an act that demands a highly expanded consciousness. The truth can never be contained in one piece. Only the mentally lazy and the narrowminded will see the whole truth in one single piece.

InesQor:


[size=20pt]Joh 14:6  Jesus said, "I am the Road, also the Truth, also the Life. No one gets to the Father apart from me. [/size]

Atleast you admitted that Jesus was a TEACHER, inesqor. Might i add that Jesus was neither a christian nor did he belong to any religious organization when he supposedly made that statement, so whatever he said, he said it as a wandering and freelance teacher and not as a christian preacher or leader. Whether he was the greatest teacher or not is of no relevance at all. It was his message that counted and not his status.

Any teacher or lecturer would have said exactly what jesus said to his "students". It is not uncommon for a teacher or a lecturer to say to his students that the only way they are ever going to make their grades and get their degrees is through him, which does not mean that his students should now have to start following him wherever he goes and start worshipping him as a deity of some sort. It only means that the lecturer is saying to his students that they have to take his materials and lectures more seriously in order for them to make their grades.

Jesus was telling his disciples the very same thing with that statement, but in a different and cloaked fashion. The grades, in jesus case, was the kingdom of heaven, and in order for his students to reach that kingdom, they must focus on the message itself (and not the messenger) thoroughly and take the message very seriously as well as live it.

But organized religion took that and twisted it with a totally upside down interpretation saying that jesus was using that statement to both declare his own divinity and that CHRITIANITY (which was not even in existence when jesus supposedly made that declaration) is the only way.

I believe that the organized religion simply hijacked this statement and used it to it's own advantage to hold people hostage and live off of them for two millenia and counting.

jagunlabi:

You responded exactly the way a closeminded person would, and i understand why you have to hold your ground to defend the reasons for your closemindedness. That is your own call, but a more expanded mind and consciousness already picked up on what i meant and processed the meaning in a proper way.

The analogy is mostly figurative which conveys an important message that in every area of philosophy or schools of thought, there hide bits and pieces of truth. One has to look at a broad range of these disciplines to get a whiff of the overview of the truth in it's vastness(does not have to be the whole truth), an act that demands a highly expanded consciousness. The truth can never be contained in one piece. Only the mentally lazy and the narrowminded will see the whole truth in one single piece.

Basically u say there can be no absolute truth, the world is both spherical and flat. . . I love your "open-mindedness". . . that is why your teacher will tell you you are right when you say 6*6 = 66, because everyones answer is right. The guy who kills his friend is "right", because everyone is right.

I am open-minded, but as a great man once said, be open-minded, but not to the point where your brain falls out of ur skull

Please Gabry, I am not trying to condemn u or anything. I came here becuz when I heard ur story, I felt that you are really searching and are really interested in knowing

I didn't come here to fight or anything. I came here to urge you not to stop searching, hopefully u'll be successful in finding the truth.
Only when I was pushed did I even pitch christainity at all. . .

Convenience of accepting all answers is just ignorant, and I'm sure at the back of ur mind somewhere u know this. . . Probably Jagunlabi also does
But there is True and False, and all you have to do is search, maybe a little more. . . maybe a lot more. . . just don't give up

@poster
Walking around on the surface of this tiny planet in a solar system on the edge of a galaxy which is one of trillions of galaxies it can be hard for us to fully comprehend our own existence. Another very good analagy is that we are like ants walking on a beautiful painting of the mona lisa for example. Each group of ants is walking over a different section of canvas with different textures and colour. One group is on a bit of white canvas whereas another may be on a bit of green canvas and are both convinced that theirs is all there is (the only truth, and there can only be one truth). They cannot comprehend leaving the two dimensional world that they live in and looking down at the whole big picture from a 3 dimensional perspective.

If we could look at our universe from a fourth dimension and see the whole picture i think we will see that we are in a universe that is infinitely large from a 3d perspective, yet was infinitely small when it created itself. It created all of the galaxies, stars, planets, matter, and things yet to be discovered. It created the conditions inside trillions of stars for the heavy elements to be created that made you and me when those stars exploded in supernova and condensed again to form rocky planets and carbon etc.
The universe is everywhere at the same time and we are all in it, of it, and a part of it. You dont need to go to church or follow a particular religion to find god. It is all around you. Maybe god is the universe, and we are all 'children of god'.

Respects

streetwize:

Basically u say there can be no absolute truth, the world is both spherical and flat. . . I love your "open-mindedness". . . that is why your teacher will tell you you are right when you say 6*6 = 66, because everyones answer is right. The guy who kills his friend is "right", because everyone is right.

I am open-minded, but as a great man once said, be open-minded, but not to the point where your brain falls out of your skull  

Kai! You just love misinterpreting written texts, streetwize. That bad habit must come from misinterpreting the scriptures very often.
Please point me to where i alluded to anything close to, "there can be no absolute truth".

What i stated was that there is an absolute truth, but it is spread out in different areas, as well as being well embedded in the creation itself. If one wants to truly find it, then one has to search far and wide with broadly opened consciousness or one will miss it. You can never come close to the absolute truth with a closed mind looking inside one single area of thought like the christian religion. But if you are afraid of stepping out of your shell, i really do understand that, because it takes real courage and spiritually maturing consciousness to step out of comfort zones in order to explore and freely search for the absolute truth.

jagunlabi:

Kai! You just love misinterpreting written texts, streetwize. That bad habit must come from misinterpreting the scriptures very often.
Please point me to where i allude to anything close to, "there can be no absolute truth".

What i stated was that there is an absolute truth, but it is spread out in different areas well embedded in the creation itself. If one wants to truly find it, then one has to search far and wide with broadly opened consciousness or one will miss it. you can never come close to the absolute truth with a closed mind looking inside one single area of thought like the christian religion. But if you are afraid of stepping out of your shell, i really understand because it takes real courage and spiritually maturing consciousness to step out of comfort zones in order to explore and freely search for the absolute truth.

your answer simply contradicts itself, absolute truth is universal and cannot be relative. Absolute truth cannot be haggled between different conceptions, it is either the absolute truth or it is not, black or white, no grey area. . . the perfect man or not, not a lot of pieces of different imperffect men joined together. . .

and on the contrary, It takes nothing to not believe anything or to hold a ground that states that who cares??. . . everything is right. . .
It however takes great courage to be able to choose and say. . . This is the truth that I have been searching for. . . It takes audacity to put away every other answer and run headlong unto one path, it takes some kind of effrontery that cannot be found in most men, it takes temerity, will. . .
hehe. . . no mind me. . . jus got a little caught up there 

It takes a tired man to say. .  u know what lets just pick everything eh??. . . If the world turns out to be spherical, pah, we said it. . . wait what if it turns out flat. . haha. . . we said that tooo!!!. . . then they hi-five each other and take a swig of beer - its like the redneck view. . hehehe

streetwize:

Please Gabry, I am not trying to condemn u or anything. I came here becuz when I heard your story, I felt that you are really searching and are really interested in knowing

I didn't come here to fight or anything. I came here to urge you not to stop searching, hopefully u'll be successful in finding the truth.
Only when I was pushed did I even pitch christainity at all. . .

Convenience of accepting all answers is just ignorant, and I'm sure at the back of your mind somewhere u know this. . . Probably Jagunlabi also does  
But there is True and False, and all you have to do is search, maybe a little more. . . maybe a lot more. . . just don't give up  

Search, isn't that what we are all supposed to be doing, streetwize? So why have you abandoned your own search and now resting on your laurels thinking that you have found the absolute truth? If only the absolute truth is that easy to find. You better resume the search and get out of the comfort zone of that damn minuscule box you've been stuffed in and spread out your mental wings to their full capacity. There is vastly more to know.

streetwize:


your answer simply contradicts itself, absolute truth is universal and cannot be relative. Absolute truth cannot be haggled between different conceptions, it is either the absolute truth or it is not, black or white, no grey area. . . the perfect man or not, not a lot of pieces of different imperffect men joined together. . .

and on the contrary, It takes nothing to not believe anything or to hold a ground that states that who cares??. . . everything is right. . .
It however takes great courage to be able to choose and say. . . This is the truth that I have been searching for. . . It takes audacity to put away every other answer and run headlong unto one path, it takes some kind of effrontery that cannot be found in most men, it takes temerity, will. . .
hehe. . . no mind me. . . jus got a little caught up there 

It takes a tired man to say. .  u know what lets just pick everything eh??. . . If the world turns out to be spherical, pah, we said it. . . wait what if it turns out flat. . haha. . . we said that tooo!!!. . . then they hi-five each other and take a swig of beer  - its like the redneck view. . hehehe

It does not take any amount of courage to take the easy way out, bro. It takes cowardice to do that. You are merely justifying and glorifying a cop out mentality that the christian clergy merrily feeds on and having them smiling all the way to the bank. But that is your call sha.
Peace out!

jagunlabi:

Search, isn't that what we are all supposed to be doing, streetwize? So why have you abandoned your own search and now resting on your laurels thinking that you have found the absolute truth? If only the absolute truth is that easy to find. You better resume the search and get out of the comfort zone of that damn minuscule box you've been stuffed in and spread out your mental wings to their full capacity. There is vastly more to know.

It is easy to find. . . and my man I tell you the laurels are sweet. . . paying off awesome I swear. . .
The problem is that, that thing uve been searching for is right there in your hands
but u know we human beings we think. .  haa, its too easy now. Are you sure I dont have to use complex numbers to find 2 + 2  
we can't blive God wants us to know him and would make it as easy as that for us. . .

jagunlabi:

[b]It does not take any amount of courage to take the easy way ou[/b]t, bro. It takes cowardice to do that. You are merely justifying and glorifying a cop out mentality that the chrisitan clergy merrily feed on. But that is your call sha.
Peace out!

My point exactly. . .how easy would it be for me to drop my faith, not have to live by any moral standards,and just say screw it, I can pick out any part of any religion I like and roll with it. . .

streetwize:

It is easy to find. . . and my man I tell you the laurels are sweet. . . paying off awesome I swear. . .
The problem is that, that thing uve been searching for is right there in your hands
but u know we human beings we think. .  haa, its too easy now. Are you sure I dont have to use complex numbers to find 2 + 2  
we can't blive God wants us to know him and would make it as easy as that for us. . .

If it were that easy to find, the woes of the christian world would have ended, as well as the woes of the world at large. But we can all see that the reality is far far away from that. so, bro, quit deluding yourself and resume that search.
Peace out.

jagunlabi:

If it were that easy to find, the woes of the christian world would have ended, as well as the woes of the world at large. But we can all see that the reality is far far away from that. so, bro, quit deluding yourself and resume that search.
Peace out.

It is that easy to find, and until u explain what u mean by the woes of the christain world , plus it is people like u that cant embrace the obvious that complicate matters for yourselves and the world at large. . .
anyway I jus hope Gabry has grabbed somfn useful from this

What is jagunlabi saying now?

I never said Jesus was only a teacher, I said the baseline cross-religion view of him IN THE LEAST places him as a remarkable teacher.

But of course that went over your head, causing the emesis of all that stuff you disgorged above.

Jesus didn't just say he is the ROAD (which would apply to a teacher), but he called himself the DOOR (single), the TRUTH, the LIFE.

Saying Jesus was not a Christian is a rather dimly obtuse statement, in my opinion. It's like saying jagunlabi is not "like jagunlabi".

InesQor:

What is jagunlabi saying now?

I never said Jesus was only a teacher, I said the baseline cross-religion view of him IN THE LEAST places him as a remarkable teacher.

But of course that went over your head, causing the emesis of all that stuff you disgorged above.

Jesus didn't just say he is the ROAD (which would apply to a teacher), but he called himself the DOOR (single), the TRUTH, the LIFE.

Saying Jesus was not a Christian is a rather dimly obtuse statement, in my opinion. It's like saying jagunlabi is not "like jagunlabi". 

The road, the way, the door. . . what is the difference? They all still mean the same thing, no matter how you want to dice it. And just because jesus called himself to be the truth and the life still does not make the christian faith to be all those things.Even if jesus did see himself as all those things, i definitely do not see christianity as a religion being those things too. Jesus was one being, organized christianity is totally another.

The other point i want to make is that, all those nouns that jesus was said to have called himself still point to his status as being a TEACHER first and foremost. A teacher, even in modern terms, can still represent the truth, the door and the life to his students because their future hangs on him and what he teaches them. Jesus the teacher is just the same to his students and that was what his statement indicated in my view. It still did not have to have meant the self-proclamation of divinity. That would have been egotistic of jesus would it not? And jesus was supposed to have lived in the highly evolved state of egolessness. An egoless being neither blows his own trumpet nor go totally egotripping like your average rapper.

While Jesus was a man who lived in an egoless state of being throughout his life and taught his followers to live in such a state as well, the christian faith was founded totally on a state of complete egoism, and that is still clearly reflected in it's characteristics today.

karo93:

i like your spirit Gabry all but satanism and mary worship though and since no religion tells you to commit sin and crime,i take it that you are on the high way to the almighty if you follow the teachings.

it just amazes me that someone who practices christianity and islam could be this tolerant when both religions identify themselves as the only high way to heaven.i know christians to believe that theirs is the one and only and this can be evident in maykelly's "woe" thread.the mildest of christians are those that believe that anyone who does good irrespective of religion will go to heaven even though john.3.14-16 talks against it and those ones dont as much as practice the other religions.

you are one of a kind for even my tolerance has limits.welldone

Didnt say I like Satanism and I have explained myself why I pray to Mother Mary. Come to think of it, The Catholic faith here prays to Mother Mary all the time, I dont see a problem with that.

I didnt say I completely agree to the 100% teachings of each religions and thinking that only me (because Im Christian or Muslim) as the only high way to heaven is wrong. I dont agree with that. There happen to be Muslims and Christians whom goes to church and Mosque every week but manage to commit sins which is unacceptable to a common sense of an individual. If the person happens to murder 100 people and go to church every week, does it guarantees the person to go to heaven?

At times I feel people can be too stupid when it comes to religion. When the leader says God tells you to slaughter yourself and feed you family, will you do so? I find many people bvelieving in the leaders words without thinking logically and just do the act. Sometimes I wonder why God even gives these people a brain?

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The way you people make it seem is like Mother Mary, the Mother of Jesus Christ is not important and that she only gave birth like for nothing abi? Shame on you people! It shows that perhaps you dont even respect your mother

streetwize:

Gabry. . . accepting all answers to a question does not make it right

If in the exam hall they asked you what 6 - 5 is and you wrote 1, 2,3,4,5. . . to infinity. . . guess what would happen??

Abeg! U seem to not understand me ooo I never said that I should agree and accept all answers. I even mentioned earlier on that I object to certain teachings. I only accept those teachings whom I think its right and good for me.

InesQor:

@Gabry:

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Joh 14:3  And if I'm on my way to get your room ready, I'll come back and get you so you can live where I live.
Joh 14:4  And you already know the road I'm taking."
Joh 14:5  Thomas said, "Master, we have no idea where you're going. [size=18pt]How do you expect us to know the road?[/size]"
[size=20pt]Joh 14:6  Jesus said, "I am the Road, also the Truth, also the Life. No one gets to the Father apart from me. [/size]
Joh 14:7  If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him. You've even seen him!"
Joh 14:8  Philip said, "Master, show us the Father; then we'll be content."
Joh 14:9  "You've been with me all this time, Philip, and you still don't understand? To see me is to see the Father. So how can you ask, 'Where is the Father?'
Joh 14:10  Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I speak to you aren't mere words. I don't just make them up on my own. The Father who resides in me crafts each word into a divine act.
Joh 14:11  "Believe me: I am in my Father and my Father is in me. If you can't believe that, believe what you see--these works.

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Except you want to disregard Jesus' words, he was indeed very particular that there was only "correct answer". Regardless of anyone's worldview and prejudice, Jesus is, in common, held as the possibly greatest teacher who ever existed, teaching truths that were way out of common current knowledge. So at the very least, He knew what He was saying. Jesus' words are the most important ones I relate to in the Bible. Everything else comes next.

v4. The road Jesus was taking is well known to every discussant on this thread. It wasn't inclusive of every possible worldview.
v5. How do you expect us to know the road? i.e. what is the "answer" as Gabry, jagunlabi and streetwize have all added 2+2
v6. I rest my case

PostScript: Your religious views? Jesus didn't accept. He indicated a very narrow road, most people miss it.

Did I mention that Jesus is wrong?

I did not mention anything about Jesus

I only mention that is wrong for you and streetwize to think that only Christianity is a 2+2=4 or the the only truth on this earth. To me, thinking like that is just plain selfish and that is how the war started because you think only your religion is the greatest and other people think that only their religion is the greatest.

streetwize:

Please Gabry, I am not trying to condemn u or anything. I came here becuz when I heard your story, I felt that you are really searching and are really interested in knowing

I didn't come here to fight or anything. I came here to urge you not to stop searching, hopefully u'll be successful in finding the truth.
Only when I was pushed did I even pitch christainity at all. . .

Convenience of accepting all answers is just ignorant, and I'm sure at the back of your mind somewhere u know this. . . Probably Jagunlabi also does
But there is True and False, and all you have to do is search, maybe a little more. . . maybe a lot more. . . just don't give up

Did you pitch christianity at all? U asking me this question and . . . abeg oo . Go and read all your answers. You made it really clear that Christian was the only truth and that CHristian was the only 2 + 2 = 4 of this planet.

Mind you, Christian wasnt the first religion that came out on this planet. If you are an Anglican, haha! U betta read the history on how Anglicans came about. . .

mantraa:

@poster
Walking around on the surface of this tiny planet in a solar system on the edge of a galaxy which is one of trillions of galaxies it can be hard for us to fully comprehend our own existence. Another very good analagy is that we are like ants walking on a beautiful painting of the mona lisa for example. Each group of ants is walking over a different section of canvas with different textures and colour. One group is on a bit of white canvas whereas another may be on a bit of green canvas and are both convinced that theirs is all there is (the only truth, and there can only be one truth). They cannot comprehend leaving the two dimensional world that they live in and looking down at the whole big picture from a 3 dimensional perspective.

If we could look at our universe from a fourth dimension and see the whole picture i think we will see that we are in a universe that is infinitely large from a 3d perspective, yet was infinitely small when it created itself. It created all of the galaxies, stars, planets, matter, and things yet to be discovered. It created the conditions inside trillions of stars for the heavy elements to be created that made you and me when those stars exploded in supernova and condensed again to form rocky planets and carbon etc.
The universe is everywhere at the same time and we are all in it, of it, and a part of it. You dont need to go to church or follow a particular religion to find god. It is all around you. Maybe god is the universe, and we are all 'children of god'.

Respects

Thank you. Thats what Im trying to tell some people here. . .

Gabry:



Did you pitch christianity at all? U asking me this question and . . . abeg oo . Go and read all your answers. You made it really clear that Christian was the only truth and that CHristian was the only 2 + 2 = 4 of this planet.

Mind you, Christian wasnt the first religion that came out on this planet. If you are an Anglican, haha! U betta read the history on how Anglicans came about. . .




Thank you. Thats what Im trying to tell some people here. . .

even Jagunlabi will slap u sideways for saying this . . . u better reread my posts and the one you quoted

I said ONLY WHEN YOU PUSHED ME TO IT DID I PITCH CHRISTAINITY AT ALL

Cant you read. . . I clearly stated numerous times that I BELIEVE CHRISTAINITY IS THE TRUTH . . . but YOU, should search for the truth and not give up saying that since you cant find it then everythin must be the truth. . .

Kai I thought u were actually searching but it seems like you set up this thread to have an inflamed argument with a christain. . I have told you I am not the type that will come at you flaming screaming that you have misplaced ur brain, Im here only to giv u advice if u want it. . . I will not force or impose my religion on you and any reader of this thread even jagun-my man will tell u having read my posts that this is true. . .

U just want to provoke unnecessary warfare. . after u guys will say christains are the intolerant bucolic ones. .

Plus If I wanted to have a mindless flaming argument jus cuz I was bored. .  I would have just lured out Mudley313. .  not taken it out on you

Peace babes. . .

Gabby I dey oo, hardly see you around anymore. How bodi

streetwize:

even Jagunlabi will slap u sideways for saying this . . . u better reread my posts and the one you quoted

I said ONLY WHEN YOU PUSHED ME TO IT DID I PITCH CHRISTAINITY AT ALL

Cant you read. . . I clearly stated numerous times that I BELIEVE CHRISTAINITY IS THE TRUTH . . . but YOU, should search for the truth and not give up saying that since you cant find it then everythin must be the truth. . .

Kai I thought u were actually searching but it seems like you set up this thread to have an inflamed argument with a christain. . I have told you I am not the type that will come at you flaming screaming that you have misplaced your brain, Im here only to giv u advice if u want it. . . I will not force or impose my religion on you and any reader of this thread even jagun-my man will tell u having read my posts that this is true. . .

U just want to provoke unnecessary warfare. . after u guys will say christains are the intolerant bucolic ones. .

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streetwize:

Plus If I wanted to have a mindless flaming argument jus cuz I was bored. .  I would have just lured out Mudley313. .  not taken it out on you

Peace babes. . .

I hear ya. End of discussion. Im tired of wasting my saliva. The more I say the more u misunderstood. End of story. Finito!

~Sissy~:

Gabby I dey oo, hardly see you around anymore. How bodi

Ah Ah! U hardly see me or I hardly see u? I have not seen you posting on Nairaland since the 16th Century ooo

@Gabry: No hard feelings o, darling sister! And thanks for checking on me when I was ill!!!

InesQor:

@Gabry: No hard feelings o, darling sister! And thanks for checking on me when I was ill!!!

Are u okay right now? I hope its not a serious illness or anything naa

^^^ LOL I just needed a vacation joor. Thanks sis.

InesQor:

^^^ LOL I just needed a vacation joor. Thanks sis.

Im glad you are fine. I prayed the Rosary for u and pleaded my bf to pray together with me for u. He was asking who are u and I told him, he is my E brother. Than my bobo say I be yeye fowl and he than prayed for u as well

@gabry

Since you don’t believe all the dogmas of any religion completely then it means that you don’t practice any religion faithfully and if admission into the kingdom of God was by any of those religions you definitely won’t enter for the bible says God hates lukewarm people(Revelation 3:14-16).

I suggest that you start your own religion [deep sight has started his] which can be a mixture of all the religions you like as one cos for instance Islam and Christianity cannot mix because Christianity is built on the claim that Jesus the son of God came to die for our sins while Islam expressly denies this giving him the attribute of a prophet so you cant sit on the fence on this one.
Maybe the almighty would approve of your mixture.

[You could make Mary the highest authority in your religion with God as her pet]