funmisticqueen:
read genesis chapter 2 from verse 15-19. you will see that God gave the instruction to Adam before he made eve, so if eve wasnt told by God not to eat the fruit, it would be easier for the devil to deceive her since she wasnt there.
Even if eve was deceived, why did Adam eat the fruit even though he knew the implications? On top of that, he had the nerve to blame eve since he knew she gave him fruit from the tree, instead of accepting responsibility.

mikejj:
was that why you almost bite off my ear when i said u're cheating on me...lol

funmisticqueen:
read genesis chapter 2 from verse 15-19. you will see that God gave the instruction to Adam before he made eve, so if eve wasnt told by God not to eat the fruit, it would be easier for the devil to deceive her since she wasnt there.
Even if eve was deceived, why did Adam eat the fruit even though he knew the implications? On top of that, he had the nerve to blame eve since he knew she gave him fruit from the tree, instead of accepting responsibility .

funmisticqueen:
read genesis chapter 2 from verse 15-19. you will see that God gave the instruction to Adam before he made eve, so if eve wasnt told by God not to eat the fruit, it would be easier for the devil to deceive her since she wasnt there.
Even if eve was deceived, why did Adam eat the fruit even though he knew the implications? On top of that, he had the nerve to blame eve since he knew she gave him fruit from the tree, instead of accepting responsibility.

QueenSuccubus:




Hahaaaah..i remember that cadbury chocolate man commercial
This lady bit his ear off and he loves it coz he's a chocolate man

mikejj:
hahaha well am nt a chocolate man!!

QueenSuccubus:



Hahahahah..na lie. Na lie...

obadizena:


Ha ha

@ the emboldened.
Simply because Eve appears to have much influence & control over Adam, even though she was genetically "cloned" out the cells of Adam. Of course Satan knew she was the Boss. Thus he focused his effort on persuading her.

Yes, Adam "had the nerve to blame her", since she's the principal. He's only carrying out the instruction of his Bossy wife.

It was matriarchal system then!

Sirgay:
The devil gave his agent (the woman) to give Adam.

ubunja:

you'll confuse yourself if you read the Bible with preconcieved ideas you want proved. you'll see them proved. thats whats scary about the Bible. just like gay christians are finding it more and more like the Bible support homosexuality. its chilling.

funmisticqueen:
scripture and verse oga!

obadizena:


Scripture and verse and logical deduction therefrom :

Satan or the Serpent was stated to be more clever (Genesis 3:1, Int.Standard Version), most cunning (Genesis 3:1, Good News Translation, & others ), & more astute (Genesis 3:1, Jubilee Bible 2000) creature.
Being more clever, therefore, to best achieve his aim, he chose to trick Eve into eating the forbidden fruit, first, despite the fact that Eve appeared not to be there when God forbade Adam not to eat the fruit.
This strategy turned out to be the best, as Satan got Eve to eat the fruit. She, in turn, caused Adam too to eat it. (Genesis 3:6)

For Adam to have ate the fruit in total defiance to God's commandment to him, Eve must have weilded some powerful influence (control) over him. Call it persuasive power or whatever! Adam himself admits that Eve made him eat the fruit (Genesis 3 :11-12).

To punish Eve for abusing her influence (control) over Adam, God warned her that Adam will rule over her (Genesis 3:16).
Note that the statement is in future tense. It's also a punishment (an inconvenience she's not used to before); a change in the status quo when she used to have influence & control over him. Thus, from being a Boss-wife to become a servant-wife. Furthermore, this would begin to take effect after the "fall" from the Garden of Eden to Earth when Adam has begun using his macho physical power to till the soil for food to eat (Genesis 3:17-19). Thereafter Adam (& his male descendants) would use their macho physical power to rule (suppress, rape, disrespect, etc., etc.,) Eve (& her female descendants).

funmisticqueen:
so in essence you are saying God made eve to rule over adam, after all they wont have said that a man LEAVES his father and mother and clings to his wife. so men are to do the clinging. stop trying to resist that feminism has come to stay abi?
Now Back to the matter at hand. this doesn't address the fact that the man fell because he couldn't control his willpower. if he simply said no, things might have been different. Why did Adam succumb to eve, even tho he knew eve did not really know what God said. Ignorance is never an excuse to break the law and sin, that is the reason why eve was punished anyway and note that God did not directly curse Adam even though he knew about the consequences of eating the fruit, it may even be that adam did not know that Eve gave him the fruit. he cursed the ground for his sake. The issue of death entering the world was not God, but simple cause and effect. T.his goes to say that God made Adam and eve as equals. he only created eve to be adam's helpmate. you also see it in the way jesus treated women.
the story shows to say that one should always stand in their beliefs.
here's a thought for you. what if the two tree in the garden weren't trees at all? what if the trees represented choices that Adam had to make? but maybe the book of genesis was written as a parable to enable a spiritually dead moses get the gist of why we live in a messed up world today? pls reflect on that matter

funmisticqueen:
so in essence you are saying God made eve to rule over adam, after all they wont have said that a man LEAVES his father and mother and clings to his wife. so men are to do the clinging. stop trying to resist that feminism has come to stay abi?
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funmisticqueen:
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Now Back to the matter at hand. this doesn't address the fact that the man fell because he couldn't control his willpower. if he simply said no, things might have been different. Why did Adam succumb to eve, even tho he knew eve did not really know what God said. Ignorance is never an excuse to break the law and sin, that is the reason why eve was punished anyway and note that God did not directly curse Adam even though he knew about the consequences of eating the fruit, it may even be that adam did not know that Eve gave him the fruit. he cursed the ground for his sake. The issue of death entering the world was not God, but simple cause and effect. T.his goes to say that God made Adam and eve as equals. he only created eve to be adam's helpmate. you also see it in the way jesus treated women.
the story shows to say that one should always stand in their beliefs.
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funmisticqueen:
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here's a thought for you. what if the two tree in the garden weren't trees at all? what if the trees represented choices that Adam had to make? but maybe the book of genesis was written as a parable to enable a spiritually dead moses get the gist of why we live in a messed up world today? pls reflect on that matter

obadizena:



U appear to place too much emphasis on why Adam did not apply his willpower in that situation.

Let me digress a little into Psychology.
There are 2 ways in which a person could exercise his/her willpower when faced with a challenge to choose between options : 1) Involuntary & 2) Voluntary.
Involuntary exercise of willpower comes into play, for some people (not all people, mind u), when they are subjected to intense stress, at unpredictable times. This is unreliable, erratic & cannot be done at will.

For a person to exercise a strong willpower at will, he must have disciplined, trained himself & have cultivated that habit.

Where did u get the idea that Adam has a pre-developed willpower?

funmisticqueen:
The fact that one is able to choice is enough to prove that adam has some willpower. yes i emphsised a lot on willpower because God gave us the ability to choose seeing as he is a good God . Adam had a choice, choose life, or choose knowledge of Good and evil and told him the consequences of each choice.

Sirgay:
Fear women, no woman no cry. If you know the evil these creatures possesses you will never near them. naturally they hate themselves.

funmisticqueen:
The fact that one is able to choice is enough to prove that adam has some willpower. yes i emphsised a lot on willpower because God gave us the ability to choose seeing as he is a good God . Adam had a choice, choose life, or choose knowledge of Good and evil and told him the consequences of each choice.

ubunja:

you are confusing FreeWill and Willpower. they are not the same thing. freewill is the ability to choose and willpower is strength/force to apply your will/choice on something. freewill is choice, willpower is determination.

UDUJ:


Women are evil. Always have been, always will be. No man should ever take them serious. Love them at your own peril. A word is enough for the wise

ubunja:

you are confusing FreeWill and Willpower. they are not the same thing. freewill is the ability to choose and willpower is strength/force to apply your will/choice on something. freewill is choice, willpower is determination.

funmisticqueen:
in theory thayt may be true but in practice, there isnt a clear cut difference between the two especially when desire comes into the mix. you choose to see black and white where there are many areas of grey inbetween

ubunja:
You've been corrected.
but noone is forcing you to accept the correction.

obadizena:


Scripture and verse and logical deduction therefrom :

Satan or the Serpent was stated to be more clever (Genesis 3:1, Int.Standard Version), most cunning (Genesis 3:1, Good News Translation, & others ), & more astute (Genesis 3:1, Jubilee Bible 2000) creature.
Being more clever, therefore, to best achieve his aim, he chose to trick Eve into eating the forbidden fruit, first, despite the fact that Eve appeared not to be there when God forbade Adam not to eat the fruit.
This strategy turned out to be the best, as Satan got Eve to eat the fruit. She, in turn, caused Adam too to eat it. (Genesis 3:6)

For Adam to have ate the fruit in total defiance to God's commandment to him, Eve must have weilded some powerful influence (control) over him. Call it persuasive power or whatever! Adam himself admits that Eve made him eat the fruit (Genesis 3 :11-12).

To punish Eve for abusing her influence (control) over Adam, God warned her that Adam will rule over her (Genesis 3:16).
Note that the statement is in future tense. It's also a punishment (an inconvenience she's not used to before); a change in the status quo when she used to have influence & control over him. Thus, from being a Boss-wife to become a servant-wife. Furthermore, this would begin to take effect after the "fall" from the Garden of Eden to Earth when Adam has begun using his macho physical power to till the soil for food to eat (Genesis 3:17-19). Thereafter Adam (& his male descendants) would use their macho physical power to rule (suppress, rape, disrespect, etc., etc.,) Eve (& her female descendants).

Lionessza:
When you dig deep and deeper, looking for the devil. You will eventually meet with it and you will have no one else to blame but yourself . You go out looking for trouble and you expect to find what exactly? Lol. The devil lives inside of all of us , it just takes the right person to bring her or him out .

obadizena:


Ha ha

@ the emboldened.
Simply because Eve appears to have much influence & control over Adam, even though she was genetically "cloned" out the cells of Adam. Of course Satan knew she was the Boss. Thus he focused his effort on persuading her.

Yes, Adam "had the nerve to blame her", since she's the principal. He's only carrying out the instruction of his Bossy wife.

It was matriarchal system then!

obadizena:


@ emboldened.
I beg to disagree with u. Being able to choose doesn't necessarily proves that one has some willpower. One can have the freewill to choose between options but the ability to stand firm on the option chosen determines how strong his or her willpower is.

The ability to choose has to do with freewill. Whereas willpower has to do with the ability to stay firm on the option one has chosen.