ziddy:
Na for outside gate dem dey certify person death? Useless people

If the man was brought inside, would it have brought him to life? Agbaya!

EgunMogaji:


You never answered my question, but went off on another tangent.

Okay, thanks.

I did, you just refused to see it. What you should have asked is "certified them dead with what and after making which effort? ".And I also suspect you are a doctor too

Trapnews:

You are a complete Mo'ron! People like you will never treat a patient with 30% chance of survival due to what people will say if he eventually die in your clinic. For every country that closes border, for every rich man that starve the poor and for every tyrant.... Hell is real! there will be no mercy for your souls

You really didn't have to talk like a brainless chimp. Of course, that approach is reserved only for situations where the patient is suspected to be a (dead-on-arrival) patient.

You tell bring someone who has been electrocuted to my hospital after several minutes of the incident, or someone whose head was crushed in an accident that happened several hours earlier. Chances are very high the person would be dead on arrival. But Nigerians still bring such bodies to the hospital to see if anything can be done. While that isn't wrong, doctors can't bring the dead back to life.

nkwuocha:


I decided not to quote that guy because I knew I won't be lenient with my choice of words. Can you just imagine the many animals we have as doctors in this country?

Those many animals are still doing what they're trained to do...saving lives, with/without your approval.
What do you do for a living?

frenzyduchess:
I did, you just refused to see it. What you should have asked is "certified them dead with what and after making which effort? ".And I also suspect you are a doctor too

You just thought you did but you didn’t.

That’s okay it’s your right.

Good day.

nkwuocha:


I decided not to quote that guy because I knew I won't be lenient with my choice of words. Can you just imagine the many animals we have as doctors in this country?

Those many animals are still doing what they're trained to do...saving lives, with/without your approval. Go to developed countries and check out those running their health care...from USA to Cyprus, the same animals who trained here under conditions termed appropriate by 'sane' humans like you undoubtedly.
What do you do for a living?

frankbonus:
My question is do you attend to emergency outside your gate? Cos the picture with the doctor is outside the gate. At least if a patience is brought in I expect to see a doctor attending to him on the hospital bed not outside the gate

It is proper to start attending to an emergency case right from the car park or even before arrival at the hospital. The prompt attention given by the Health professional as he is been received can make a difference. The issue is what happens if the patient was found to be dead? Do you still admit him?

You have to take into account that;

(1) healthcare is provided for the living person. There is nothing a Doctor or a nurse can do to improve the health of a person who is certified dead.
(2) This is a Private Hospital built and run through private investment and we all know what could happen is the dead body was allowed into the building. It would be abandoned and the hospital will waste its resources of time, space and money trying to sort out the case.

EgunMogaji:


You just thought you did but you didn’t.

That’s okay it’s your right.

Good day.

we look but see differently,perception is the key bro, have a nice day too

Dont just talk, qoute references. In proper hospital settings , there is a triage area, where they bring in all emergencies and a triage officer will assess them and take in the most critical into the ER. He wont take in a dead patient, they send to morgue, he will not even take in a patient that he knows they might not be able to save he will be looking for the most critical patient that the interventions within the hospitals ER can save , take in those ones before considering others. This are appropriate response in triaging, you cant be busy doing cpr on a dead patient when you have another with splenic rupture that can be brought back to life if you respond fast. Now in many hospitals in Nigeria, including UCH, LUTH, National Hospital Abuja the triage is just outside their ER. So tell me what this Hospital has done wrong

See people defending breach of ethics here,this is how many patients are pronounced dead on arrival in nigerian hospitals,we behave like animals and even get fellow animals to defend rubbish, was the patient ever taken into the hospital emergency treatment room? Was there any effort by the incompetent doctors to try their best inside the hospital and not outside? The answer is NO,this is incompetency at its height,look at the doctor striding back into the hospital black panther style,for all those defending these rubbish,may GOD not allow you experience bullshit like this.

webincomeplus:

You really didn't have to talk like a brainless chimp. Of course, that approach is reserved only for situations where the patient is suspected to be a (dead-on-arrival) patient.

You tell bring someone who has been electrocuted to my hospital after several minutes of the incident, or someone whose head was crushed in an accident that happened several hours earlier. Chances are very high the person would be dead on arrival. But Nigerians still bring such bodies to the hospital to see if anything can be done. While that isn't wrong, doctors can't bring the dead back to life.

Most of these poster ought to direct their angst to the Ministry of Health, not at private clinics.

These lugging dead bodies around is not proper.

I’ll rather have MDs working on viable cases than already expired ones.

Just imagine the way we reason in this part of the world, a patient oooo(emergency or no emergency) should at least be taken care of properly. To all spewing d #IAMADOCTOR thrash, I pray u don't have to lose a loved one and d person gets attend to at d gate post without proper way of treatment.
My questions are :
1. What if d patient is still on a very lowest pulse, and you will need a digital monitor to view d pulse movement?
2. Is d gate a treatment room for a hospital?
3. If a hospital can be afraid of reputation because of death reasons, let the hospital be a restaurant instead (at least people rarely die there)
4. If d dead person was d doctor in charge relative, would he had done that?
Pls do think through all angles before spewing out thrash from ur buccal cavity oo

Akiwah:
It's safer to confirm outside, because if the person is certified dead inside the hospital, you may not be able to contain the problems relatives will cause. Besides, they will spread the news that the person died in the said hospital which is bad PR for any private hospital.

So people don't die in private hospital ?

AnanseK:


It is proper to start attending to an emergency case right from the car park or even before arrival at the hospital. The prompt attention given by the Health professional as he is been received can make a difference. The issue is what happens if the patient was found to be dead? Do you still admit him?

You have to take into account that;

(1) healthcare is provided for the living person. There is nothing a Doctor or a nurse can do to improve the health of a person who is certified dead.
(2) This is a Private Hospital built and run through private investment and we all know what could happen is the dead body was allowed into the building. It would be abandoned and the hospital will waste its resources of time, space and money trying to sort out the case.

You’ve renewed my faith that there are still intelligent people on here.

You guys who are blaming hospital and the doctors don’t know what you are saying. Here are some answers to your sentiment;


In a saner society, patient relatives would not pin the death of a patient already dead on doctors. Here in Nigeria, the doctors are accused of killing a dead person they brought in.

Educated and rich people as you mentioned would respect the doctors when he tell them their relative they brought in is dead before arrival at hospitals. If they have doubts, they would not start by vandalizing hospital properties and beating its staff. They would seek legal redress.

In a saner society, ambulance would bring in patient and wait to see what follows. Nobody is suddenly turning himself to Usein Bolt. Besides, relative tracing is easier due to their robust system.

I read a story that happened in UCH Ibadan, a couple of years ago. One poly Ibadan student brought in dead and was taken in. The doctor that saw the patient came out to tell those who brought her that the patient was dead. They mobilized their colleague to come and distrupt the hospital activities. To cut the long story short, autopsy revealed the lady died of unsafe abortion. Patients and relatives could be most ungrateful sometimes. They lie as if the act is going out of fashion.

In conclusion;- there’s nothing wrong in certifying people brought in dead (BID) outside the hospital to for the security of entire hospital especially when those who brought the dead body are evidently unruly.

sainty2k3:
Dont just talk, qoute references. In proper hospital settings , there is a triage area, where they bring in all emergencies and a triage officer will assess them and take in the most critical into the ER. He wont take in a dead patient, they send to morgue, he will not even take in a patient that he knows they might not be able to save he will be looking for the most critical patient that the interventions within the hospitals ER can save , take in those ones before considering others. This are appropriate response in triaging, you cant be busy doing cpr on a dead patient when you have another with splenic rupture that can be brought back to life if you respond fast. Now in many hospitals in Nigeria, including UCH, LUTH, National Hospital Abuja the triage is just outside their ER. So tell me what this Hospital has done wrong

Tell me pls no offence meant (and God forbid bad thing) As a doctor, would you pronounce your wife dead at d gate post of your hospital knowing that she's dead on arrival?

webincomeplus:

Yes. All I need to certify a patient dead are my stethoscope and my pen torch. You don't have to bring the patient into the hospital before I can check the patient with those. And I can quickly check for all signs of death within 30 seconds.

Nobody likes bad press. If I allow you to bring an already dead body into my hospital, what will start flying around is that he/she died right in my hospital or due to negligence on my part. Again, nobody wants to make the news for the wrong reasons, especially here in Nigeria where people "dive" into conclusion without verifying information.

"...30 seconds" doctors like you are the type that end up certifying a living person dead, just because you couldn't find a pulse, whereas the poor individual was just in some sort of coma they would have recovered from

emperormossad:


Those many animals are still doing what they're trained to do...saving lives, with/without your approval.
What do you do for a living?

You are one of those that don't value lives. I have a medical doctor in my family. If my brother is one of such stupid doctors I will call him out. Asking me what I do for a living? If you ever save enough to set up a hospital, you can send me an email.









Now kindly get lost..... For now!

nkwuocha:



I don't know why some people are defending this hospital here, really?!?
I mean how far can our irresponsibility be justified in this country. Certifying a victim dead outside the CLOSED gate of your hospital?With the security Manning the gate so securely like his job depends on that particular issue ? Which kind country be this?

nkwuocha:



I don't know why some people are defending this hospital here, really?!?
I mean how far can our irresponsibility be justified in this country. Certifying a victim dead outside the CLOSED gate of your hospital?With the security Manning the gate so securely like his job depends on that particular issue ? Which kind country be this?

wic closed gate?Have u been there b4?D gate open 24/7 days.Go there now and check.Drop at Ajiwe/police station

EgunMogaji:


I’m getting ready for bed actually

Then we must exist in different time zones. Preparing to go off to work then.
Some things baffle me, like how people criticize doctors who expend their lives trying to make people better in this hell-ridden country.
Just observe how doctors after training here do everything within their means to leave the country for greener pastures, to places where they're better appreciated.
People who spend their lives taking care of ungrateful citizens yet no one bothers to ask them anytime, 'doc, are you ok?'.
Underpaid, ill-equipped, abused and degraded by the same people they lay down their youth, happiness and families for.
Nigerians are indeed the most ungrateful people ever!
My advise to any aspiring doc, when you graduate, abeg go to Canada. Go to USA or other 'countries' where you will be treated as a human if not a god.
Enough of all these. Let their politicians and religious clerics take care of them. They're very much capable.
No life of any Nigerian is worth it.
See how people bash them here, when they fall sick tomorrow they'll carry their useless heads and go to hospitals after their pastors and imams have fleeced them of what they ought to have given to the hospitals.

Shithole country with shithole citizens.

webincomeplus:

You really didn't have to talk like a brainless chimp. Of course, that approach is reserved only for situations where the patient is suspected to be a (dead-on-arrival) patient.

You tell bring someone who has been electrocuted to my hospital after several minutes of the incident, or someone whose head was crushed in an accident that happened several hours earlier. Chances are very high the person would be dead on arrival. But Nigerians still bring such bodies to the hospital to see if anything can be done. While that isn't wrong, doctors can't bring the dead back to life.

Read your mail again, this time slowly... that's it. You can't be a doctor forever, at a point in your life, you will have to be someone else's patient. God has a special way of dealing with fo'ols like you. I have seen doctors involved in accidents and quite helpless. Visit the morgue often and you will appreciate every living soul!

nkwuocha:


You are one of those that don't value lives. I have a medical doctor in my family. If my brother is one of such stupid doctors I will call him out. Asking me what I do for a living? If you ever save enough to set up a hospital, you can send me an email.









Now kindly get lost..... For now!

What do you do for a living?

ipobarecriminals:
wic closed gate?Have u been there b4?D gate open 24/7 days.Go there now and check.Drop at Ajiwe/police station

Look at the first picture, abi you know see as the gateman stand like robot so for the gate. Abeg, how and why the gate man no open the gate? No be hospital e be?The gate man is probably acting on hospital instructions to first call the authority first on any emergency case before opening the gate.

webincomeplus:

Yes. All I need to certify a patient dead are my stethoscope and my pen torch. You don't have to bring the patient into the hospital before I can check the patient with those. And I can quickly check for all signs of death within 30 seconds.

Nobody likes bad press. If I allow you to bring an already dead body into my hospital, what will start flying around is that he/she died right in my hospital or due to negligence on my part. Again, nobody wants to make the news for the wrong reasons, especially here in Nigeria where people "dive" into conclusion without verifying information.

I can definitely relate with this. I work in a hospital and sometimes when the patients are brought in, rigor mortis has already set in, yet the relatives will shouting "owuo oo, owuoo( he is dying)". And this was giving the hospital bad reputation so the medical director checks such cases outside .

emperormossad:

What do you do for a living?

When you want to set up a hospital like I said, email me. Then you will know.

Another Doctor bashing post on nairaland? What else is new.

It's clear that these arguments will continue unabated because one side posits emotional and rather pandering arguments and the other side, rational and logical thought.
There's a middle ground, but emotional arguments are inherently irrational and blind the aggrieved parties to facts.

samysamy:
PRESS RELEASE:

MALICIOUS, UNSCRUPULOUS & UNVERIFIED ALLEGATION MADE BY SEGUN ARINZE AGAINST DOREN SPECIALIST HOSPITAL AJAH

The attention of our organisation, Doren Specialist Hospital Ajah, has been drawn to the malicious, unscrupulous, and unverified statements and images made by Mr Segun Arinze and shared by him on his social media handle in respect of a man whom he falsely alleged was refused medical attention by our hospital.  The facts of the matter are:

1. The said man was rushed to the hospital on 21st February 2018, at about 11 am by a group of people who gave a history that he was electrocuted.

2. A doctor from DOREN Specialist Hospital promptly assess the man and certified him DEAD AT PRESENTATION.

3. The people who brought him were informed that the man was dead and were advised to take the man to a morgue since the hospital does not run mortuary services.

4. The people who brought the dead man rather than take the corpse to the morgue, resorted to create a scene and disrupt the operation of the hospital
Please note that We at DOREN Specialist Hospital as a point of duty, attend to all emergencies as they present and do not put cost as a prerequisite for first aid treatment to be administered.

Having said this, our media team and some concerned (unbiased and truth loving) Nigerians swung into action to address Segun Arinze’s post on his page and he took it down.  We even engaged him privately to address his post but he turned to say that he is a public figure, we should talk to him on the public post.

Now that he has taken the post down, we are still battling with the ripple effect created by this unverified fake news.
To this effect, we demand that:

1. Segun Arinze should return to the same channel used to spread this fake news and tender an unreserved apology to the management and staff of the DOREN Specialist Hospital.
2. That at the same time he should publish his apology in the online media platform and at least two National newspapers.
3. That he reaches out to all the social platforms who are within his reach, who had re-posted and re-tweeted his fake news to withdraw their posts and tell the true side of the story.

Signed Management
DOREN SPECIALIST HOSPITAL

Photo caption:
The photos attached show:

(1) When the body was brought;

(2) One of our doctors attending to the man and

(3) Reactions after the doctor confirmed him dead and advised the group that brought him on what they should do.
These are contrary to Segun Arinze's false allegation that "Doren Hospital refused to open their doors to help rescue the man in spite of all entreaties".

cc; Lalasticlala, mynd44

Source: http://usascholarshipfree..com.ng/2018/03/lagos-hospital-which-segun-arinze.html?m=1

So they came to gate at 10:25:34am, the Doc came to see them at 10:29:12am and immediately certify him death at 10:29:40am . Under how many seconds and he's almost inside his office by that 10:29:40 time oo. The man needs to be arrested

ELKHALIFAISIS:
how do you as a doctor satisfy one dead without running a proper check on him with equipment... he might be unconscious, they should have run a check on him, did they run CPR to ascertain if the person is not breathing or does not have a pulse... I always give up in Nigeria doctors

Medical doctors not native doctors... oga go and research well... No pulse and d person is dead... in coma, d pulse still goes on

Frustrated people who have been frustrated by jamb will come online bashing people they secretly adore and envy.
I'm not surprised. It's easy to brand them as animals and fake and this and that.
Just do me a favour, when next you need their help, solve your problem yourself.
No one is forcing you to visit the hospital.
I mean come on, treat yourself. Just treat yourself. Visit your pastor or imam. No big deal. No one is begging or forcing you. But to come online and bash people, you're the worst set of animals.
Mr money-in-the-bank, pls build your own clinic in your sitting room, go and study medicine and become mother Theresa in your house. No be by force.
Frustrated people!

The hospital is simply being defensive. How can a hospital doctor certify someone dead at the gate of the hospital? Pictures showed they were outside the gate and remain at the gate as the doctor walked away. How is this action different from shutting out. Nigerian professionals should learn to be smarter or be professional in their approaches. If they had taken the guy in to their intensive care unit , the claim for shutting out would fail. When did hospital doctors start attending to patients from the gate?

You shouldn't certify him dead just at the entrance of the gate. The doc should have at least, electrocute him again with the machine that dey use to use inside America film. That will make the body do greeee griii!... He just put headpiece for ear and put The plug for the victim chest, con talk say e don die.....

nkwuocha:




When you want to set up a hospital like I said, email me. Then you will know.

Why should I email you?
You don't have any effect. An atom is even more useful than you incase no one is bold enough to tell you the truth.
Next time you have appendicitis, carry your kitchen knife and treat yourself after your pastor has laid his hands on you. The day you walk into any hospital for help, you're not walking out.
Comprende?