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Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by infofta(m): 9:29pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
Until someone tell me the name of the scientist that made man or designed the reproductive system of human beings and animals I will forever believe there is God. The thing that made man is much more powerful than man and does not obey the law of physics or chemistry and that thing is called God. The most intelligent and power thing in the universe does not use that substance called brain.. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by butterflylion: 9:35pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
infofta: Which God are you referring to please? 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by Emmanystone: 9:43pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
budaatum:Wow. See work wey this man want send me. Why not.just.post it here? After this tiring day, i shd go digging for your old post, so that what will happen nah? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by Emmanystone: 9:43pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
budaatum:Which word says that? 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by Gggg102(m): 10:03pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
pantheism- there is no much difference between the pantheist position and the atheist position. the atheist can refer to the pantheist god as the big bang. the only difference is one is intelligent and the other isn't. plus the pantheist God isn't involved in human affairs, so his existence is of the same effect with his inexistence. deism- a god that created everything and left it alone. almost identical to the above. again not so much different from the atheist position. this god is also not involved in human affairs, so his existence is inconsequential. no point in arguing that such god exists except to show he exists. he left which means he doesn't want us to bother about him. like a painter who makes a painting and ran away. we find the painting, we know it was painted, we know the painter doesn't want us to bother about him. so we focus on the painting and leave the painter alone. most atheist wouldn't have an issue with the above gods, since their existence is inconsequential. they can be assumed inexistent. theism- this god created the universe, and rules it. he wants to have a relationship with its creations. this is the god most atheist are against e. g hopefullandlord. for example atheist often make a description of 4999 gods. these gods are all/mostly theist gods. this god is involved in human affairs so it's only logical that his effects would be felt or proven. most times these gods suspend the natural laws of the universe which is(should be) impossible. this god also gives instructions on how to live and how the world is. it's only logical to examine this god's claim to know if he is true. many theist gods also claim all knowledge/power they produce claims on how the world works. most of these claims are falsified. they show these gods are not real. some of these gods claim to be all good but their actions speak otherwise. if these gods are involved in our affairs, we should be able to show concrete evidence of their existence. this concrete evidence must be exclusive to that god which we are to prove. the theist god is the only god that can be refuted effectively since he claims to be involved in our affairs. if his effects are not felt, it means such god probably doesn't exist. 3 Likes |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by Gggg102(m): 10:13pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
butterflylion: you do know whatever point you prove on this thread will most likely be for the pantheist or deist god. they won't be able to validate Yahweh or most other theist god. if you do make a point for a theist god, it would apply to almost all of them. that would still leave a problem of which of them is correct. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by sonofthunder: 10:14pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
dalaman:I don't know if this has been trashed but what does God mean to you? |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by butterflylion: 10:20pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
Gggg102: I made this comment earlier on this thread. In theism, God is the creator and sustainer of the universe, while in deism, God is the creator, but not the sustainer, of the universe. In pantheism, God is the universe itself. In atheism, God is not believed to exist, while God is deemed unknown or unknowable within the context of agnosticism Atheism ---- There is no God Deism ------ God exists but isn't bothered about us. Pantheism ----- My God is the universe (so God exists to me as the universe) Deism and pantheism have no similarities with atheism. Both recognise a God while atheism rejects a God. That being said, focusing on your comment about 4999 gods which you refer to as theist gods can you list them out please. Also you made a lot of knowledgeable assertions regarding these 4999 gods such as their claims being falsified, inability to suspend the laws of the universe, inability to be felt or heard, etc Question. Can you show me how you went through these 4999 gods to conclusively make the assertions you made. For you to be able to achieve this then you must first of all know all of them by name, operation, function and ability and then you went through an elimination process. Can you share this knowledge. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by butterflylion: 10:22pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
Gggg102: I have no problem with that and it does not concern me which is right or wrong. That is not the focus of this thread. Thank you. |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by awesomeJ(m): 10:35pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
Seun:The word God is exclusive to the creator of all things. Anything else is regarded with the word god. shouldn't you know that already? |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by Gggg102(m): 10:38pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
butterflylion: so why do we bother about him? it's like you to an average chinese man. you are practically unexisting to yourselves. the atheist will be wrong but it has no effect on him. "Pantheism ----- My God is the universe (so God exists to me as the universe)" pantheism is more or less an intelligent big bang. the pantheist claims the big bang is god, the atheist doesn't. again the atheist being wrong is inconsequential. "Deism and pantheism have no similarities with atheism. Both recognise a God while atheism rejects a God." they recognize a god that is inconsequential. an inconsequential god is no different from a no god except for the fact that one exists. atheists being wrong has no effect. "That being said, focusing on your comment about 4999 gods which you refer to as theist gods can you list them out please. Also you made a lot of knowledgeable assertions regarding these 4999 gods such as their claims being falsified, inability to suspend the laws of the universe, inability to be felt or heard, etc Question. Can you show me how you went through these 4999 gods to conclusively make the assertions you made. For you to be able to achieve this then you must first of all know all of them by name, operation, function and ability and then you went through an elimination process. Can you share this knowledge. " I have only heard atheists talk about 4999 gods. I do not know if the number is accurate, I haven't gone through them and I haven't made a claim concerning them. most of these gods by the way are forgotten and now just make up mythologies e. g Zeus, Odin, Thor, Ra, Mayan gods... 3 Likes |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by butterflylion: 10:48pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
Gggg102: How can you claim the God a deist believes in is inconsequential when a deist believes in a creator God but only says he is not involved with his creation and a pantheist believes in the universe as his god which also does not make it inconsequential but the opposite. So you have not gone through this list of 4999 gods yet you said "such god does not exist". How did you arrive at this conclusion without going through the 4999 list of gods? 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by Gggg102(m): 11:09pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
butterflylion: they are inconsequential in the sense that admitting their existence would not change an atheist's worldview. their existence does not contradict science which most atheists hold on to as the ultimate truth. a pantheist god and a deist god easily fits into all the laws of science, a pantheist/deist god can easily be reconciled with evolution. a pantheist or deist god does not contrast scientific views. it would be very easy for an atheist to accept a deist/pantheist god. both do not require him to change his lifestyle. think of it this way; a father abandoned his son when he was born. the boy will grow up having no father even if is father is still alive. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by Gggg102(m): 11:13pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
butterflylion: I never said such god does not exist. I said most atheists say these 4999 god's don't exist. by the way this position is held by other theists religion. especially monotheists. the Christian believes all other gods are powerless idols. as Yahweh is the only God. the Muslim believes there is no god but Allah. have the christian/muslim gone through all the other gods to know their god is the only one? |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by butterflylion: 11:37pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
Gggg102: This thread is not about Yahweh or Allah but about a general God concept. Are you not an atheist? 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by butterflylion: 11:39pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
Gggg102: Can also be rephrased thus A father abandoned his son when he was born, the boy grows up not seeing any father does not mean his father isn't still alive or never ever was. |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by Gggg102(m): 11:58pm On Mar 19, 2018 |
butterflylion: exactly. the father is alive but he has no effect on the son's life. he was never involved. to the son, he never had a father. if the pantheist or deist god is true, it has no effect on an atheist in general. he is only wrong about his existence. BTW most atheists argue against theist gods & religion. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by Gggg102(m): 12:06am On Mar 20, 2018 |
butterflylion: no a general god includes the pantheist, deist and theist gods which includes Allah/Yahweh. if you are excluding Allah/Yahweh/theist god and you mean pantheist/deist gods by general god, this discussion will be pointless as a pantheist/deist god cannot be proven or disproved. you can't know for sure if he exists or not. e. g the pantheist god. if he truly became the universe, how did humans know he existed? if the deist god existed, how did humans know he existed when he abandoned the universe after creating it? note- both of are non interventionists. how do you know an invisible and intangible person is around you if he doesn't reveal himself to you? 4 Likes |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by butterflylion: 12:16am On Mar 20, 2018 |
Gggg102: Read the OP again |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by butterflylion: 12:20am On Mar 20, 2018 |
Gggg102: All 4999 of them? Remember the focus of the OP. Monotheism! |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by Gggg102(m): 12:42am On Mar 20, 2018 |
butterflylion: mostly the popular ones. majority of the 4999 are irrelevant today or they have minimal effect. monotheists also assist in this regards. they show other monotheistic beliefs are false while upholding theirs. at the end of the day, all monotheistic religions disprove each other while upholding their faith. as a neutral person, you won't be able to pick from them because one's monotheistic claim is as good as the others. I think this is where atheists (anti theists) come in to claim all are false. because all of them cannot be right at the same time but they can all be false at the same time. 6 Likes |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by Gggg102(m): 12:44am On Mar 20, 2018 |
butterflylion: if you are talking about the monotheistic god only irrespective of religion, then all religions are doing a good job of proving the others wrong. 5 Likes |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by superhumanist(m): 1:13am On Mar 20, 2018 |
Lol.....I like how everyone pointed out the op's dishonesty from page 1. Butterflyl1on, keep looking for mugu that will waste time disproving 5000 versions of God for you instead of debating about the one God you believe in. 6 Likes |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by budaatum: 1:20am On Mar 20, 2018 |
Emmanystone:So, I, who has done the work writing it in the first place, should now go back and dig it up for you? To be honest, I wouldn't mind, normally, but just not for you considering how you are quick to affect my tiny sensitivities, and how you react to similar opinions. Just pick through any thread with atheism in the title and you'd see the same sentiments expressed, or, wait till someone more deserving of my time turns up and read my responses then. I will bear you in mind, I promise. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by budaatum: 1:22am On Mar 20, 2018 |
Emmanystone:The word according to me, buda. |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by budaatum: 1:24am On Mar 20, 2018 |
butterflylion:Yes you have, numerous times, and you've read my responses to the same question when posed by others. You, sir, are not taking up that much of my time on your merry go round! |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by butterflylion: 6:53am On Mar 20, 2018 |
Gggg102: You seem to be all over the place. You cannot say the below earlier and be saying the above now. Your words below earlier I have only heard atheists talk about 4999 gods. I do not know if the number is accurate, I haven't gone through them and I haven't made a claim concerning them. One minute you say you do not know these gods and have not gone through them and the next you rule them out and say MAJORITY are irrelevant. What are these majority? monotheists also assist in this regards. they show other monotheistic beliefs are false while upholding theirs. Monotheists do not disprove each other. They focus on approach or doctrine and not outright existence or inexstence. I think this is where atheists (anti theists) come in to claim all are false. because all of them cannot be right at the same time but they can all be false at the same time. This is my point. You as an atheist cannot base your assessment on anothers claims without carrying out your own findings as people who believe in evidence. Do you see how lazy atheism is? They simply make assertions not bound to proof or experiences but simply as the words from mischief. Like I said, monotheists do not disprove existence. They rather focus on approach and doctrine. If monotheists disprove existence why then do we talk about God AND gods and not just GOD? |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by butterflylion: 6:54am On Mar 20, 2018 |
Gggg102: Proving wrong is not proving existence wrong. Proving wrong is proving method or approach or doctrine wrong. We do not discuss existence because we KNOW that other gods exist. Is this hard to understand? Atheism focuses on inexistence. So you cannot use anothers experiences to assert for yourself. Where is your own experience as an atheist who believes in self evidence? |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by butterflylion: 6:56am On Mar 20, 2018 |
budaatum: No I have not. Kindly copy and paste it here. I am not asking you to do a rewrite. |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by butterflylion: 6:58am On Mar 20, 2018 |
TheSorrowfulMan: Please take this to the thread where it belongs. It is not for this thread |
Re: Atheists Let's Discuss God. by butterflylion: 7:06am On Mar 20, 2018 |
superhumanist: It's obvious that this thread is beyond your level which is why you are stuck as well and cannot make any comment beyond the above (as usual) This thread is on the concept of God and not a specific God. |
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